Fanfic
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MadiHolmes
>An article about fanfic has made it to the BBC News' webpage. :-)
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2590873.stm
>
Good lord, wait till they find out about videos ;)
Seriously, this isn't a "new phenom." There have been so many pastiches about
Sherlock Holmes alone <and about half are crossovers with Jack the Ripper> for
the past 100 years. There's also a big difference between shows. Some shows
I've seen have come down hard on fanfic site et al, while others seem to
embrace it <Stargate is definitely more of the latter, imo>, or at least better
in interacting with its fans.
Fanfic is definitely a subculture, even within a particular show's fanbase
<with various factions-slashers, shippers, whumpers>. Some definitions change
for each show <"whumpers" is one>, but there are general terms that cross show
barriers- xovers, Mary Sue, h/c. People outside of fanfic circles, or even the
internet, would have no idea what these terms mean, yet to those "in the know"
the definitions are imediately recognizable.
Some people dislike fanfic for various reasons <it's not canon, 99% of it is
crap, stories often portray the characters badly>, while others find it an
integral part of a show's viewing experience.
I've also read it where people have compared it to mythology and folktales.
Jack and Daniel, for example, are definite archetypal characters that you can
see going clear back to the Epic of Gilgamesh. It's only natural for some fans
to want to expand on their adventures, and to put their own interpretation on
them. The only difference is that one used oral tradition and the other uses
the internet.
Madi"/exit anthromode"Holmes
Becky
>>
>>An article about fanfic has made it to the BBC News' webpage. :-)
>>
>>http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2590873.stm
>>
>
>Good lord, wait till they find out about videos ;)
>
>Seriously, this isn't a "new phenom." There have been so many pastiches about
>Sherlock Holmes alone <and about half are crossovers with Jack the Ripper> for
>the past 100 years. There's also a big difference between shows. Some shows
>I've seen have come down hard on fanfic site et al, while others seem to
>embrace it <Stargate is definitely more of the latter, imo>, or at least better
>in interacting with its fans.
>
Henry Jenkins, who is cited in the piece, wrote a very interesting
book on fanfic several years ago, called _Textual Poachers: Television
Fans and Participatory Culture_. I highly recommend it.
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Lisa
> >
> Henry Jenkins, who is cited in the piece, wrote a very interesting
> book on fanfic several years ago, called _Textual Poachers: Television
> Fans and Participatory Culture_. I highly recommend it.
Is it online anywhere?
Lisa
Lisa
>
> It's not even 7 AM where you are, shouldn't you be making waffles for
> your children this Sunday morning instead of pithering on about Stargate
> fanfic?
>
> <g> :-)
LOL! Just got in from work :-)
Lisa
Ridge
"MadiHolmes" <madih...@aol.com> wrote in message
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| <with various factions-slashers, shippers, whumpers>.
Ok, I have no idea what so ever what a whumper is ... I'm so out of date.
RDAluvr
>
>Ok, I have no idea what so ever what a whumper is ... I'm so out of date.
Where one of the main characters is injured. Also referred to as H/C or
Hurt/Comfort.
S
Ridge
"RDAluvr" <rda...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Ah ... in that case I've been thinking about a great whumper (or is that
whumpre in the UK?) involving Jonas.
cotku
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Only if it involves a metre rule or a centre punch.
(Not valid for meter rules or center punches.)
Keith
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kelleyer
<lisa.d...@NORUBBISH.co.uk> wrote:
If you mean is "Textual Poachers" online the answer is no. It is a book,
it's under copyright. It is readily available through any bookstore
(usually in either the media or sociology sections), or it'll be available
at any of the online bookstores like Amazon. It was the first real study
of the relationships between media and fan cultures.
kelleyer
The Evil Emperor Zurg
I've never understood why those type of fan-fics have a category of their
own, and why they're so frowned upon.
What's so special/annoying about them?
Becky
It's available for sale at Amazon.com, and can usually be found in the
dealer room at science fiction conventions (at least, the ones that
I've attended).
MadiHolmes
>own, and why they're so frowned upon.
>
>What's so special/annoying about them?
>
The Whumper ones? Like anything, it's a matter of taste. Some people prefer to
see Jack and Daniel hook up <99% of slash fic is done by women, btw. I think it
has something to do with that male fantasy, only in reverse>, some people
prefer nonship, some people like to see Crossovers <like Atlantis and Stargate,
I admit I'm a sucker for these> and some people like to see the characters in
pain <physical or otherwise>. Smarm is just like h/c, only without the hurt
part. These require insulin boosters after reading one to keep your glucose
levels in check.
"Whumping" is definitely a Stargate term. I've yet to see it anywhere else. The
"special/annoying" part is also a matter of taste. Well written fanfic is
exceedingly hard to find. Bad grammar and bad spelling are probably right up
there as the two deadly sins of fanfic.
Madi"Se7en"Holmes
Laurelin Vernet
> The Whumper ones? Like anything, it's a matter of taste. Some people
prefer to
> see Jack and Daniel hook up <99% of slash fic is done by women, btw. I
think it
> has something to do with that male fantasy, only in reverse>, some people
> prefer nonship, some people like to see Crossovers <like Atlantis and
Stargate,
> I admit I'm a sucker for these> and some people like to see the characters
in
> pain <physical or otherwise>. Smarm is just like h/c, only without the
hurt
> part. These require insulin boosters after reading one to keep your
glucose
> levels in check.
I have a couple of friends who complain bitterly about slash. One's
complaint is that straight women really don't know about gay sex; the other
is a gynaecologist whose complaint is that most slash sex is anatomically
impossible.
> "Whumping" is definitely a Stargate term. I've yet to see it anywhere
else. The
> "special/annoying" part is also a matter of taste. Well written fanfic is
> exceedingly hard to find. Bad grammar and bad spelling are probably right
up
> there as the two deadly sins of fanfic.
I once naively asked in another fandom if 'your' (instead of 'you're') was
an Americanism and received some frosty replies. I thought it was how
'you're was spelt in the US. Didn't realise that it was just bad grammar.
Ooops...
Laurelin
MadiHolmes
>I have a couple of friends who complain bitterly about slash. One's
>complaint is that straight women really don't know about gay sex;
Show me a guy who knows the difference between a your uvula and your vulva, and
I'll show you an OB/GYN <oh, and Steve>.
Fantasies, esp. sexual ones, are definitely not usually rooted in reality <the
various porno boxes my store carries attests to that fact>. Lots and lots of
variation there.
>the other
>is a gynaecologist whose complaint is that most slash sex is anatomically
>impossible.
Again, those beforementioned boxes has REALLY shown me some things that I
thought was "anatomically impossible."
Okay, A- I don't read slash fic, and B- cover boxes are the extent of my
introduction to the wonderful world of pornos <that, and great porno titles,
most of which would be inappropriate here>. Anyway, moving on....
>
>I once naively asked in another fandom if 'your' (instead of 'you're') was
>an Americanism and received some frosty replies.
Snerk. Sounds funny.
> I thought it was how
>'you're was spelt in the US. Didn't realise that it was just bad grammar.
>Ooops...
It's okay. It's an honest mistake, I mean, you guys like to throw in "u"s in
the oddest places.
Madi"Foeti"Holmes
MadiHolmes
>HEY!!!
>Are you implying I'm a PERVERT????
>
>ok...
>
>well...
You said it, not me.
>
>MADI! Why are you in porno stores?? Sheesh, kids these days, turn 22 and
>off they go.
I'm not. My store has a back room. I have shelve the suckers. It's not fun.
Especially when people are back there. Funny thing, they showed a bunch of
porno boxes on the news the other day <having to do with that women and porno
debate>, and I recognized most of the boxes. Sad, but true
>
>Soon to be released in Sweden: "I am Curious, Madi."
>
Guess it's better than Madi Makes Out in Madison...
>
>The whole circular Stargate is just a fiesta for porn titles (please
>note effort to keep thread on topic...).
>
Oh, well. One could surmise that the Stargate is just one big vaginal symbol,
but that's probably way too much info.
>
>> Madi"Foeti"Holmes
>
>
>Foeti? Sounds like an obscure Greek cheese.
>
That's feta. Foeti is more akin to pisces
Madi"Mm.... pisces"Holmes
Ridge
So ...
let me see if I can get this straight ....
You're an archaeology student (smart) with massive knowledge of Greek,
Norse, Egyptian and roman mythology (smarter) who works in a video store
(not a shut in) that likes sci-fi (approachable), your mom was a hotty & you
stack porn ... but you don't date?
Ridge "I'm confused but somehow intrigued" NoLastName
MadiHolmes
>Norse, Egyptian and roman mythology
Well, I wouldn't say "massive." I know the basics, and whatnot. I often do
recheck my sources whenever I post something informational.
(smarter) who works in a video store
>(not a shut in) that likes sci-fi (approachable), your mom was a hotty & you
>stack porn ... but you don't date?
Heh, what can I say? School comes first.
Madi"Or maybe I'm still just 12 years old at heart"Holmes
Ridge
| >You're an archaeology student (smart) with massive knowledge of Greek,
| >Norse, Egyptian and roman mythology
|
| Well, I wouldn't say "massive." I know the basics, and whatnot. I often do
| recheck my sources whenever I post something informational.
|
the fact that you have 'sources' says alot.
| (smarter) who works in a video store
| >(not a shut in) that likes sci-fi (approachable), your mom was a hotty &
you
| >stack porn ... but you don't date?
|
| Heh, what can I say? School comes first.
|
| Madi"Or maybe I'm still just 12 years old at heart"Holmes
LOL, some people like that too you know.
Laurelin Vernet
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> I think Madi, who is one of our most promising young people (and that's
> saying a lot, we have many here), may just be more interested in career.
> Condoleeza Rice, an advisor to President Bush, is much the same way:
> she's a cute older lady, just doesn't want the hassles of relationships
> right now (although I hope Madi isn't a Republican, I don't think my
> delicate constitution could handle that right now).
I recently had to killfile a Republican. I can appreciate an argument, as
you know dear heart, but really someone who cannot reason from A to B needs
killfiling badly.
Condoleeza Rice always looks so grumpy. Which is okay, she's allowed to look
grumpy I suppose, and at least she doesn't have that look of gormless
blandless that characterises, for example, Ari Fleisher (Fleisher??), though
to be fair he might be imitating his boss.
> That's all good,
> it's not an easy world out there for career women, men have the
> advantage of centuries of tradition wherein we can come home after work
> and go "What's for dinner, babe? Any cold beer in the fridge?" A woman
> usually can't do that (though some things are changing), she's expected
> to provide the domesticity in a relationship.
Snert. Not in my house.
Laurelin
x
SkeltonCE
>complaint is that straight women really don't know about gay sex; the other
>is a gynaecologist whose complaint is that most slash sex is anatomically
>impossible.
I couldn't help but laugh when I read that. I would not expect straight women
to know about gay sex. It's not something you see everyday (at least I don't,
but I'm rather conservative).
>I thought it was how
>'you're was spelt in the US. Didn't realise that it was just bad grammar.
>Ooops...
Bad grammar is a way of life here in the States. I'm embarrassed for my
country.
SkeltonCE
>saying a lot, we have many here), may just be more interested in career.
>Condoleeza Rice, an advisor to President Bush, is much the same way:
>she's a cute older lady, just doesn't want the hassles of relationships
>right now (although I hope Madi isn't a Republican, I don't think my
>it's not an easy world out there for career women, men have the
>advantage of centuries of tradition wherein we can come home after work
>and go "What's for dinner, babe? Any cold beer in the fridge?" A woman
>usually can't do that (though some things are changing), she's expected
>to provide the domesticity in a relationship.
>
and housekeeping abilities are dramatically under-developed.
Louis M. Brown
<stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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>
>
>Laurelin Vernet wrote:
>>
>> "Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:3E10DA...@yahoo.com...
>> > X-No-Archive: yes
>> > I think Madi, who is one of our most promising young people (and that's
>> > saying a lot, we have many here), may just be more interested in career.
>> > Condoleeza Rice, an advisor to President Bush, is much the same way:
>> > she's a cute older lady, just doesn't want the hassles of relationships
>> > right now (although I hope Madi isn't a Republican, I don't think my
>> > delicate constitution could handle that right now).
>>
>> I recently had to killfile a Republican. I can appreciate an argument, as
>> you know dear heart,
>
>
>:-))
>
>
>> but really someone who cannot reason from A to B needs
>> killfiling badly.
>
>
>Let me guess: gun control, abortion, war in the Middle East, or some
>combination of the three?
>
>I just don't get those people. I have Republican friends, but their
>disconnect with reality mystifies me. I mean, they think that it's a
>great idea to give huge tax cuts to rich people and they can't quite
>grasp that if you cut the number of guns in the U.S. it might actually
>have some marginal effect on gun *deaths*.
Just how in the hell could they DO that, though?
You know that's practically impossible.
> They also think that Bush is
>this really great president even though the economy and stock market
>have plummeted, because don't you know that's all evil Bill Clinton's
>fault.
Yea, nevermind the surplus and good economy at the end of Clinton's
term. Sure nosedived in a hurry.
> Still, what can I do? When people get an idea in their heads
>there's generally no getting rid of it except the hard way, which may
>unfortunately mean driving this country into ruin.
>
>
>> Condoleeza Rice always looks so grumpy. Which is okay, she's allowed to look
>> grumpy I suppose, and at least she doesn't have that look of gormless
>> blandless that characterises, for example, Ari Fleisher (Fleisher??), though
>> to be fair he might be imitating his boss.
>
>
>ROFL!!! Yup, you've got them pinned exactly. :-)
>
>
>> > That's all good,
>> > it's not an easy world out there for career women, men have the
>> > advantage of centuries of tradition wherein we can come home after work
>> > and go "What's for dinner, babe? Any cold beer in the fridge?" A woman
>> > usually can't do that (though some things are changing), she's expected
>> > to provide the domesticity in a relationship.
>>
>> Snert. Not in my house.
>
>
>Are you married/involved, if you'll forgive a personal question?
>
>Me, I'm still trying to learn domestic skills, but God it's an uphill
>struggle. I think I'm the poster boy for bachelor living. I can cook
>really wonderful chili, I am very good at outdoor grilling, but my other
>stuff like my infamous Szechuan twice-cooked pork has generally been
>deemed not fit for internal consumption without a life insurance policy.
><g>
Not even WITH an insurance policy! Although, I heretell some third
world nations are looking into your cooking, they need a new, more
interesting form of executing people.. <e,EG>
>
>> Laurelin
>> x
>
>Happy New Year, my friend. I saw some of the fireworks from Sydney,
>Australia, the other day: most impressive. All the best to you and yours
>in Oz.
-LMB