Earth and Abydos POO glyphs from the same source?
Mike Burke
delta-shape. According to Theony Condos' Star Myths of the Greeks and
Romans (See my posting in the Chevrons = constellations? thread for
info.), this constellation may be of Babylonian origin, but it seems to
have strong ties to Egypt.
Because of the (relatively) short-range limitations imposed by having to
use the constellations in an address to surround the target gate with a
box, I don't think that the glyphs represent the constellations as
points in space. I think that the glyphs may have been in use while, or
before, the constellations were being defined in the sky.
Has any information on the decision to use the delta glyph as the Earth
POO in the movie been published anywhere?
If I remember right, the POO for Abydos was another variation of the
delta glyph. Could the Point Of Origin glyph for any given world be used
as an indication of the roots of that world's culture? The people of
Abydos are descendants of the slaves that were taken there from Egypt.
Has the POO glyph for Chulak (spelling?) been shown in any of the
episodes? If so, is it also based on the delta?
I seem to remember that in an episode, something that was made of
Naqueda had its surface detail changed by something that one of the
characters activated. Is this memory correct, or have I confused it with
something that I've seen in another movie or series?
I would appreciate any help given in answering these questions.
Mike
Reunite Pangaea!
Jeff Lee
>
> If I remember right, the POO for Abydos was another variation of the
> delta glyph.
According to the glyph chart on the Richard Dean Anderson Web site
(http://rda.simplenet.com/stargate/glyphs.htm), the Abydos glyph looks
kind of like a wishbone with triangles to either side of the main "stem".
This is different from the one drawn by Skaara, but it may have been that
his drawing merely suggested to Daniel the glyph which he'd seen on the
Abydos stargate
> Has the POO glyph for Chulak (spelling?) been shown in any of the
> episodes? If so, is it also based on the delta?
It's the one identified as _Serpens Caput_ on both the official and RDA
Websites. The RDA page listed above gives all (?) the known coordinates
and points of origin.
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LHGraphics
>From: shi...@gate.net (Jeff Lee)
>Date: Tue, May 16, 2000 8:50 AM
>Message-id: <392142b...@news.gate.net>
>According to the glyph chart on the Richard Dean Anderson Web site
>(http://rda.simplenet.com/stargate/glyphs.htm), the Abydos glyph looks
>kind of like a wishbone with triangles to either side of the main "stem".
>This is different from the one drawn by Skaara, but it may have been that
>his drawing merely suggested to Daniel the glyph which he'd seen on the
>Abydos stargate
I'm not sure how accurate this site is since the glyphs for dialing earth don't
show the same last glyph that I saw on the show. A circle with a line under
it.
Linda
LHGra...@aol.com
Jeff Lee
>
> I'm not sure how accurate this site is since the glyphs for dialing earth don't
> show the same last glyph that I saw on the show. A circle with a line under
> it.
Which episode was that in? (Depending on where in the universe they were,
the point-of-origin glyph to get to Earth would likely change from episode
to episode...)
LHGraphics
>Message-id: <3922192...@news.gate.net>
>
>Which episode was that in? (Depending on where in the universe they were,
>the point-of-origin glyph to get to Earth would likely change from episode
>to episode...)
In Solitudes you can clearly see that the seventh symbol that Sam concludes is
the POO is a circle with a line under it.
In refering to the RDA site no such glyph appears in the address.
Linda
LHGra...@aol.com
Jeff Lee
>
> In Solitudes you can clearly see that the seventh symbol that Sam concludes is
> the POO is a circle with a line under it.
>
> In refering to the RDA site no such glyph appears in the address.
Uh, look again. In the season 1 database:
http://rda.simplenet.com/stargate/databas1.htm#Solitudes
Under "Known Coordinates" for the "Solitudes" entry, the "Antarctica Point
of Origin" glyph fits that description. Actually, it looks more like a
stop sign with a line under it, but it's fairly close, don't you think?
It's also down at the bottom of the Glyphs page, under "Points of Origin",
listed as "Point of Origin/Second Gate/_Solitudes_".
Mike Burke
> >Subject: Re: Earth and Abydos POO glyphs from the same source?
> >From: shi...@gate.net (Jeff Lee)
> >Date: Wed, May 17, 2000 12:01 AM
> >Message-id: <3922192...@news.gate.net>
> >
> >Which episode was that in? (Depending on where in the universe they
> were,
> >the point-of-origin glyph to get to Earth would likely change from
> episode
> >to episode...)
>
> In Solitudes you can clearly see that the seventh symbol that Sam
> concludes is
> the POO is a circle with a line under it.
>
> In refering to the RDA site no such glyph appears in the address.
>
> Linda
> LHGra...@aol.com
Am I correct if I say that we still have not learned which culture
used the Antarctica Gate? I could be proven wrong by events that will
come later in the series, but I don't think that the gate was being used
there. I think that it had been in use somewhere else (maybe Atlantis?)
and it had been moved to the Antarctic ice-field for some reason. As I
said, I could be wrong, and it was being used there for some reason,
like facilitating Gate transit to Earth by a species that requires
extreme cold for survival.
Another question.
That portal that Jack looked into in The Fifth Race, was it made of
Naqueda?
Mike
Reunite Pangaea!
Rick Fry
difference between a stop sign [hexagon] and an advance warning
railroad sign [circle] is there not?? <GRIN>
On Wed, 17 May 2000 05:13:46 GMT, shi...@gate.net (Jeff Lee) wrote:
>Under "Known Coordinates" for the "Solitudes" entry, the "Antarctica Point
>of Origin" glyph fits that description. Actually, it looks more like a
>stop sign with a line under it, but it's fairly close, don't you think?
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LHGraphics
>Message-id: <3922296a...@news.gate.net>
>
>Uh, look again. In the season 1 database:
It does help if you can count and also go through the whole page instead of
stopping half way.
The addresses only listed 6 glyphs. <G>
Linda
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Jeff Lee
> On Wed, 17 May 2000 05:13:46 GMT, shi...@gate.net (Jeff Lee) wrote:
>
>> Under "Known Coordinates" for the "Solitudes" entry, the "Antarctica Point
>> of Origin" glyph fits that description. Actually, it looks more like a
>> stop sign with a line under it, but it's fairly close, don't you think?
>
> Well that kinda depends on how close "fairly close" is. There is a big
> difference between a stop sign [hexagon] and an advance warning
> railroad sign [circle] is there not?? <GRIN>
Sure. But less of a difference than the one between "Underlined Circle"
and, say, the "Arthritic Snake", "Uffington Horse", "Skinny Anteater" or
"Klingon Pterodactyl" glyphs...
:-)
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Truth Shall Set U Free
This stuff isn't actually real. It's just a TV show. You're never gonna need
to actually "dial" the "correct" address on a "stargate".
Do you people lose sleep over this kind of thing? Nothing personal but do
any of you have pointy heads? This is why sane people avoid any trek or star
wars groups. Just wondering...
Adam McGaughey
>Just wondering...
Just wondering, but do you have better things to do? Are you a troll? How
many toes do you have? What color are your eyes? How many teeth do you
have? See a trend?
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thinks you are a nerd, right? Yeah, right, sure...sureeeee...
Mike Burke
> >Just wondering, but do you have better things to do? Are you a troll?
>
> Well of course he is! :)
>
> Picture a Troll Zoo (not the trolls with the funky hair, but like the
> one that
> lived under the bridge and tried to eat those billy goats gruff).
> There's a
> sign underneath that says "Please Don't Feed the Trolls".
>
> 'Cause if you *do*, they do the Gremlin thing. From quiet, not
> *really*
> bothering anybody, to mean, bloodthirsty, ugly and......other stuff.
> :)
>
> Besides, trolls are just so much more fun if you isolate them in a
> plain white
> room with one of those walls where they only see a mirror, but you can
> see
> them. They scurry around like demented monkeys and bang their heads
> into the
> walls, until they eventually curl up in a corner and die.
>
> -Stephanie, who is apparently is on the fine line between real and
> surrealism.
> Waaaaaay too into the metaphors today. <g>
> ~~~~~
> Sarcastic SG-1: http://www.geocities.com/steph6450
> "I am not an experienced cannibal! I did not get on that plane
> expecting to eat
> ANYONE! I simply tasted a little of each in the hopes that the next
> one would
> taste better!" - Dave Foley
From the way this person is acting, I'd agree with you. Maybe I
should have looked at your posting before I responded.
Mike
I keep "What Ifs" as house pets!
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On Sat, 20 May 2000 07:46:33 GMT, "Truth Shall Set U Free"
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>You don't ever get invited to parties, do you, mike.
>
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>>Just wondering, but do you have better things to do? Are you a troll?
> Well of course he is! :)
> Picture a Troll Zoo (not the trolls with the funky hair, but like the one that
> lived under the bridge and tried to eat those billy goats gruff). There's a
> sign underneath that says "Please Don't Feed the Trolls".
> 'Cause if you *do*, they do the Gremlin thing. From quiet, not *really*
> bothering anybody, to mean, bloodthirsty, ugly and......other stuff. :)
I dread to think what'd happen if you watered 'em...
:)
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>You don't ever get invited to parties, do you, mike.
>
He probably goes to way more parties than you ;-)
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Gareth Kitchener
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>God bless the person who invented killfiles.
>
Yup - He just went into mine too.
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Jeff Lee
> On Sat, 20 May 2000 22:04:22 +1200, ano...@paradise.net.nz (Dave
> Bethell) wrote:
>
>>God bless the person who invented killfiles.
>
> Yup - He just went into mine too.
The *plonk* heard 'round the world...
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Thomas Fleming
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> In article <20000517003840...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
> lhgra...@aol.com (LHGraphics) wrote:
>
> >>Subject: Re: Earth and Abydos POO glyphs from the same source?
> >>From: shi...@gate.net (Jeff Lee)
> >>Message-id: <3922192...@news.gate.net>
> >>
> >>Which episode was that in? (Depending on where in the universe they
> >>were,
> >>the point-of-origin glyph to get to Earth would likely change from
> >>episode
> >>to episode...)
> >
> >In Solitudes you can clearly see that the seventh symbol that Sam
> >concludes is
> >the POO is a circle with a line under it.
> >
> >In refering to the RDA site no such glyph appears in the address.
>
> dependent. Its just that usually there is only one gate on a planet.
But in The Serpent's Lair, when Daniel is escaping from the Goa'uld ship, he
says he used Earth as the POO since they were in orbit around Earth.
Tom Fleming
Bob Van Burkleo
<tj...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:
Which we know wasn't true since it is established that each gate has its
own POO glyph. More likely he just misspoke meaning the gate was close
enough to earth to ACT as if it were POO earth (just as both the SGC and
the beta gate can). In this context it would be more an explanation why
he had to dial to somewhere else and then back to earth as opposed to
him dialing directly to the SGC.
Since we know the writers are less than pedantic about the continuity,
one of our tools to create a pseudo-consistent mythos is allowing the
characters to be fallible in their understanding and expression (just
like real people are). We used this all the time in the 'early years' to
iron out inconsistencies in the Star Trek/Federation mythology. I mean,
they are just scriptwriters after all. :)
Sort of like when movie Daniel said it takes 6 points to define a
location when obviously it really only takes 2 intersecting lines
(defined by 4 points) to define a location. To make it so that it
really does take 6 points (and give you a near infinite greater number
of definable locations in the bargain) I rationalize he 'dumbed it down'
for the military brass and really meant it took 6 points to define 3
intersecting planes to define the point with some set correlations
between the tangents of the 3 planes being presumptive in ensure that no
planes were parallel.
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right and doing a thing exactly right"
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> You don't ever get invited to parties, do you, mike.
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>It isn't real????