>>>>>>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>, >>>>>>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Earth" >>>>>>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU >>>>>>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak) >>>>>>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations) >>>>>>>>>> -George >>>>>>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera >>>>>>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> loved >>>>>>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was >>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the >>>>>>>> surface it >>>>>>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>>>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and >>>>>>>> Young >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> articulated by Telford.
>>>>>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she >>>>>>> react?
>>>>>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet >>>>>>> ANOTHER >>>>>>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and >>>>>>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in >>>>>>> whatever body he occupies.
>>>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's >>>>>> wife >>>>>> already has something going on between them. >>>>> Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one >>>>> that he is going to sleep with her?
>>>>> All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have >>>>> words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't >>>>> look >>>>> very pleased to me. >>>> Then Everett will have to make a deal with Telford whereby Telford would >>>> allow >>>> Everett to use his body for sex. In return, Everett might have to agree >>>> to >>>> let Telford boink Emily, and also testify on Telford's behalf about how >>>> Dr. >>>> Rush sabotaged the "using a star's energy to dial Earth" test.
>>>> It seems to me that Everett and Emily owe Telford a huge favor for >>>> enabling >>>> them to meet. Its only fair that Telford get some benefit from enabling >>>> Everett and Emily to have flings. >>> One big problem I can foresee is how to get negotiations over such a deal >>> started. Who would have the guts to propose such a deal?
>> I have a really radical idea.
>> Why don't they just stay celibate?
> That would be bad for Everett Young's morale. Morale is very important in this > situation.
it's ok - his girlfriend is aboard Destiny. (which may explain why Emily is so p'd off)
> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's going > to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not convinced > that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to have > perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, with the > medic, and he's a billion light years away).
Agreed with you on Telford's need for power, but that is why I think he's there pretending to be Young. Young just humiliated him on Destiny, so he's there to get what revenge he can. I don't believe Telford and Emily were having an affair beforehand because until very recently Telford was stationed on Icarus.
> > In article > > <4AFA0CB1.95124...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, > > Tim Bruening > > <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > jill wrote:
> > > > In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > > Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > >A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
> > > > >>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > > > > >>> wife > > > > >>> already has something going on between them.
> > > > >Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed > > > > >it > > > > >was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > > > >before? :/
> > > > >I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > > > >revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > > > >briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > > > >making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > > > > >Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > > > >Legend11.
> > > > Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > > > hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > > > and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > > > Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > > want > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > some > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > another > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > Maybe to make it interesting he'll only > > be able to stone into a very beautiful > > woman.
> The commstones have already demonstrated an ability to transfer Everett Young > into > the body of another man.
Which in no way prevents cross-sex stoning
> I propose that extra pay be given to those who agree to serve as hosts and > even > more extra pay be provided to those who agree to let their bodies be used for > surrogate sex.
And what will they do with that extra pay on Destiny?
<jgoldie...@btinternet.com> wrote: > Tim Bruening wrote:
> > jill wrote:
> >> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > >> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > >>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: > >>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife > >>>>> already has something going on between them. > >>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it > >>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > >>> before? :/
> >>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > >>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > >>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > >>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > >>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> >>> Legend11. > >> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > >> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > >> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > >> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > want > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > some > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > another > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
Although it is pretty likely that it is the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can know that she is on the ship and it is just as likely that he was having an affair with one of the other women...perhaps the lieutenant
Malcom "Mal" Reynolds wrote: > In article > <hdetn6$9t...@news.eternal-september.org >> , > Jette Goldie > <jgoldie...@btinternet.com> wrote: >> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as >> Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are >> different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some >> use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's >> going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not >> convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to >> have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, >> with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> Although it is pretty likely that it is > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > know that she is on the ship and it is > just as likely that he was having an > affair with one of the other > women...perhaps the lieutenant
We know it was the medic from Young's "dream/memory" at the start of the episode.
This also explains why she was leaving Icarus and why she "wasn't supposed to be there".
bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > In article > <hdetn6$9t...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Jette Goldie
> <jgoldie...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > Tim Bruening wrote:
> > > jill wrote:
> > >> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > >> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: > > >>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife > > >>>>> already has something going on between them. > > >>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it > > >>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > >>> before? :/
> > >>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > >>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > >>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > >>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > > >>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > >>> Legend11. > > >> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > >> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > >> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > >> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > > want > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > some > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > another > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > > going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > > convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > > have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > > with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> Although it is pretty likely that it is > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > know that she is on the ship and it is > just as likely that he was having an > affair with one of the other > women...perhaps the lieutenant
Didn't Emily say something to him about being on the ship with *her* (I could have sworn she did, but then maybe not).
Smokie Darling (Annie) wrote: > On Nov 11, 1:17 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- > bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> In article >> <hdetn6$9t...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> Jette Goldie
>> <jgoldie...@btinternet.com> wrote: >>> Tim Bruening wrote: >>>> jill wrote: >>>>> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, >>>>> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: >>>>>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: >>>>>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife >>>>>>>> already has something going on between them. >>>>>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it >>>>>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly >>>>>> before? :/ >>>>>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his >>>>>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he >>>>>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were >>>>>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be >>>>>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young. >>>>>> Legend11. >>>>> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other >>>>> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back >>>>> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be >>>>> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it. >>>> I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't >>>> want >>>> to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use >>>> some >>>> other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet >>>> another >>>> body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can >>>> authenticate him in whatever body he uses! >>> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as >>> Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are >>> different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some >>> use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's >>> going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not >>> convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to >>> have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, >>> with the medic, and he's a billion light years away). >> Although it is pretty likely that it is >> the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can >> know that she is on the ship and it is >> just as likely that he was having an >> affair with one of the other >> women...perhaps the lieutenant
> Didn't Emily say something to him about being on the ship with *her* > (I could have sworn she did, but then maybe not).
<Barnabus1...@yahoo.com> wrote: > On Nov 11, 1:17 pm, "Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds" <atlas- > bug...@invalid.invalid> wrote: > > In article > > <hdetn6$9t...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > Jette Goldie
> > <jgoldie...@btinternet.com> wrote: > > > Tim Bruening wrote:
> > > > jill wrote:
> > > >> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > >> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > >>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: > > > >>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > > > >>>>> wife > > > >>>>> already has something going on between them. > > > >>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed > > > >>> it > > > >>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > > >>> before? :/
> > > >>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > > >>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > > >>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > > >>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to > > > >>> be > > > >>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > > >>> Legend11. > > > >> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > > >> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > > >> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > > >> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but > > > > won't > > > > want > > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > > some > > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > > another > > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > > > going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > > > convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > > > have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > > > with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> > Although it is pretty likely that it is > > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > > know that she is on the ship and it is > > just as likely that he was having an > > affair with one of the other > > women...perhaps the lieutenant
> Didn't Emily say something to him about being on the ship with *her* > (I could have sworn she did, but then maybe not).
She did, but I'm not sure how she knows who is on the ship and it seems pretty stupid of Young to tell her...at least this early.
In any event the "her" doesn't have to be the medic
> >> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > >> Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > >> different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > >> use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > >> going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > >> convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > >> have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > >> with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> > Although it is pretty likely that it is > > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > > know that she is on the ship and it is > > just as likely that he was having an > > affair with one of the other > > women...perhaps the lieutenant
> We know it was the medic from Young's "dream/memory" at the start of > the episode.
Which only proves that he is a human male and eminently practical
> This also explains why she was leaving Icarus and why she "wasn't > supposed to be there".
It could. Another explanation could be that she was accepted to medical school
> > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's going > > to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not convinced > > that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to have > > perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, with the > > medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> Agreed with you on Telford's need for power, but that is why I think > he's there pretending to be Young. Young just humiliated him on > Destiny,
Actually Rusch humiliated him
> so he's there to get what revenge he can. I don't believe > Telford and Emily were having an affair beforehand because until very > recently Telford was stationed on Icarus.
>>>> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as >>>> Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are >>>> different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some >>>> use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's >>>> going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not >>>> convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to >>>> have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, >>>> with the medic, and he's a billion light years away). >>> Although it is pretty likely that it is >>> the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can >>> know that she is on the ship and it is >>> just as likely that he was having an >>> affair with one of the other >>> women...perhaps the lieutenant
>> We know it was the medic from Young's "dream/memory" at the start of >> the episode.
> Which only proves that he is a human > male and eminently practical
>> This also explains why she was leaving Icarus and why she "wasn't >> supposed to be there".
> It could. Another explanation could be > that she was accepted to medical school
There could be a whole slew of reasons she was leaving - all at the same time.
She's getting out of a dodgy relationship and realises she can't be around *him*. She'd been accepted to medical school/offered a better posting She's (already) pregnant.
>> On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 11:28:04 -0600, j...@tuells.org (jill) wrote:
>>> Does anyone else wish they would have moose antlers to help the >>> characters clue into who is who when they are using the stones? I >>> feel sorry for the people who come up to Young/Telford and are all >>> flustered trying to figure it out. >> Sorry, that would make sense. That means it's not eligible to >> actually be done.
>> Similarly, they must have several "not very important" people on >> Destiny that should be the ones routinely going back to earth via the >> stones. They should keep all the competent people on Destiny doing >> vital work and use the "not very important" people to bring in MORE >> competent people to help out with the vital work.
>> Oh, a direct report now and then, sure. "Shore Leave" equivalent to >> keep up morale, yeah, some of that too. But for the most part bring >> in the fully competent doctor to treat people who are injured, bring >> in the language experts who can translate Ancient and label things >> without getting things backwards and so on.
>> And yes, have BIG NAME TAGS or the equivalent to identify just who is >> who and DIRECT ORDERS TO WEAR THEM AT ALL TIMES. If someone goes >> around impersonating someone else it should be a Court Martial offense >> just for the impersonation (and maybe additional charges for what was >> DONE while impersonating someone, depending on what happened).
> I have seen name tags on the bodies of Young and Telford.
>> And they should definitely have rules about not abusing the host body. >> They don't have to spell it all out - just a single line of dialog >> (that references the fact that such rules exist) would be fine for >> now. But so far what they're SHOWING is complete disregard for the >> host body.
> I predict that such rules will be written soon in light of Chloe getting > drunk in another woman's body.
Anyone else see the connections between the Goa'uld parasites/host bodies, and the Ancient stones facilitating 'possession' of host bodies?
Hmm. I just noticed that, let me think about it some more.
>> In rec.arts.sf.tv DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote: >>> I thought it implied he was about to start something. >> Exactly. I took that scene to mean that he was going to start pretending >> to be Young
> That can't last long. Eventually, Everett Young will pay Emily a visit and > hear her comment on "visits" he made that he doesn't remember. At that > point, he will realize that Telford has been sneaking around with Emily, and > set up a password system to enable her to tell Everett and Telford apart.
Forget that! There's going to be fisticuffs, mark my words!
Well, if Young ever gets back to Earth...Telford is safe for now, unless before a transfer, Young has his body tied up or put in the brig, so that Telford's visit is a waste of time and energy!
>>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera
>>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. >>>> I loved >>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was >>>> going to >>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped the >>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And >>>> of course >>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the >>>> surface it >>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and >>>> Young were >>>> articulated by Telford.
>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did he >>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she react?
>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits to >>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet ANOTHER >>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and >>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise a >>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in >>> whatever body he occupies.
>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife >> already has something going on between them.
> Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one > that he is going to sleep with her?
> All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have > words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't look > very pleased to me.
> Fallen.
I rewatched the episode yesterday--Telford DID look extremely uncomfortable when Emily opened the door. Perhaps he WILL do the honest thing and tell her what happened. I predict that once they get past the awkwardness of the whole situation, Telford and Emily will become friends, then romantically entangled but will try to fight that for Young's sake. Talk about complications!
>>>>>>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>, >>>>>>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Earth" >>>>>>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU >>>>>>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak) >>>>>>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations) >>>>>>>>>> -George >>>>>>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera >>>>>>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> loved >>>>>>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was >>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the >>>>>>>> surface it >>>>>>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>>>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and >>>>>>>> Young >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> articulated by Telford.
>>>>>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she >>>>>>> react?
>>>>>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet >>>>>>> ANOTHER >>>>>>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and >>>>>>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in >>>>>>> whatever body he occupies.
>>>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's >>>>>> wife >>>>>> already has something going on between them. >>>>> Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one >>>>> that he is going to sleep with her?
>>>>> All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have >>>>> words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't >>>>> look >>>>> very pleased to me. >>>> Then Everett will have to make a deal with Telford whereby Telford would >>>> allow >>>> Everett to use his body for sex. In return, Everett might have to agree >>>> to >>>> let Telford boink Emily, and also testify on Telford's behalf about how >>>> Dr. >>>> Rush sabotaged the "using a star's energy to dial Earth" test.
>>>> It seems to me that Everett and Emily owe Telford a huge favor for >>>> enabling >>>> them to meet. Its only fair that Telford get some benefit from enabling >>>> Everett and Emily to have flings. >>> One big problem I can foresee is how to get negotiations over such a deal >>> started. Who would have the guts to propose such a deal?
>> I have a really radical idea.
>> Why don't they just stay celibate?
> Everett just reconciled with his wife. You expect him to not make love with > her?????
I agree. This was make-up, reaffirm our marriage sex, not just "hey, baby, let's get rowdy!" 'fun' sex.
>>>>>>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>, >>>>>>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> "Earth" >>>>>>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU >>>>>>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak) >>>>>>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations) >>>>>>>>>> -George >>>>>>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera >>>>>>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> loved >>>>>>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was >>>>>>>> going to >>>>>>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> course >>>>>>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the >>>>>>>> surface it >>>>>>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
>>>>>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and >>>>>>>> Young >>>>>>>> were >>>>>>>> articulated by Telford.
>>>>>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did >>>>>>> he >>>>>>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she >>>>>>> react?
>>>>>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet >>>>>>> ANOTHER >>>>>>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and >>>>>>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in >>>>>>> whatever body he occupies.
>>>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's >>>>>> wife >>>>>> already has something going on between them. >>>>> Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one >>>>> that he is going to sleep with her?
>>>>> All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have >>>>> words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't >>>>> look >>>>> very pleased to me. >>>> Then Everett will have to make a deal with Telford whereby Telford would >>>> allow >>>> Everett to use his body for sex. In return, Everett might have to agree >>>> to >>>> let Telford boink Emily, and also testify on Telford's behalf about how >>>> Dr. >>>> Rush sabotaged the "using a star's energy to dial Earth" test.
>>>> It seems to me that Everett and Emily owe Telford a huge favor for >>>> enabling >>>> them to meet. Its only fair that Telford get some benefit from enabling >>>> Everett and Emily to have flings. >>> One big problem I can foresee is how to get negotiations over such a deal >>> started. Who would have the guts to propose such a deal?
>> I have a really radical idea.
>> Why don't they just stay celibate?
> If Everett isn't allowed to have sex with his wife, he might succumb to > that medic/slut he's trapped on Destiny with.
Not fair to call her a 'slut'--in Young's dream/memory, HE initiated the affair, not her "I never meant to hurt you"...
That SPOILERSAHOY bit is pretty funny when you have to page down through other people's addresses to even reach whatever new tiny shred has been added.
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erilar wrote: > That SPOILERSAHOY bit is pretty funny when you have to page down through > other people's addresses to even reach whatever new tiny shred has been > added.
Sometimes I think I'm the only one who bothers trimming quotes anymore. It's usually a good indicator that nothing worthwhile is being said anyway.
> >>>>>>>>> In article <POydnU2d8frtKmjXnZ2dnUVZ_qOdn...@supernews.com>, > >>>>>>>>> georgeaval...@yahoo.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>> "Earth" > >>>>>>>>>> 11-6-09 SGU > >>>>>>>>>> 5 stars (Daybreak) > >>>>>>>>>> 0-1 stars (Revelations) > >>>>>>>>>> -George > >>>>>>>>> 2 - this is getting more and more immature soap opera > >>>>>>>> And I thought it was yet another great episode. The best one yet. > >>>>>>>> I > >>>>>>>> loved > >>>>>>>> how Telford and crew ducked out when it looked like the ship was > >>>>>>>> going to > >>>>>>>> blow. I *knew* Rush had faked the danger when it suddenly stopped > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>>>>> moment Telford was gone; but I didn't expect him to admit it. And > >>>>>>>> of > >>>>>>>> course > >>>>>>>> Young continues to suspect Rush is up to no good even when on the > >>>>>>>> surface it > >>>>>>>> appears Rush is being helpful.
> >>>>>>>> Plus a lot of the gripes people here seem to have with Rush and > >>>>>>>> Young > >>>>>>>> were > >>>>>>>> articulated by Telford.
> >>>>>>> When Telford fled back to Earth via the communications stones, did > >>>>>>> he > >>>>>>> find himself back in bed with Young's wife? If so, how did she > >>>>>>> react?
> >>>>>>> Will Telford be allowed to serve as Young's host for future visits > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> his wife? After all, asking Emily to accept her hubby in yet > >>>>>>> ANOTHER > >>>>>>> body seems a bit much. She had a hard enough time dealing with and > >>>>>>> accepting Young in Telford's body! I urge Young and Emily to devise > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> password system so that he can let her know that he's himself in > >>>>>>> whatever body he occupies.
> >>>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > >>>>>> wife > >>>>>> already has something going on between them. > >>>>> Where are people seeing this implication, or the other suggested one > >>>>> that he is going to sleep with her?
> >>>>> All I saw was him calling on her, I assumes he was just going to have > >>>>> words about abusing his damn body while he was elsewhere. He didn't > >>>>> look > >>>>> very pleased to me. > >>>> Then Everett will have to make a deal with Telford whereby Telford would > >>>> allow > >>>> Everett to use his body for sex. In return, Everett might have to agree > >>>> to > >>>> let Telford boink Emily, and also testify on Telford's behalf about how > >>>> Dr. > >>>> Rush sabotaged the "using a star's energy to dial Earth" test.
> >>>> It seems to me that Everett and Emily owe Telford a huge favor for > >>>> enabling > >>>> them to meet. Its only fair that Telford get some benefit from enabling > >>>> Everett and Emily to have flings. > >>> One big problem I can foresee is how to get negotiations over such a deal > >>> started. Who would have the guts to propose such a deal?
> >> I have a really radical idea.
> >> Why don't they just stay celibate?
> > That would be bad for Everett Young's morale. Morale is very important in this > > situation.
> it's ok - his girlfriend is aboard Destiny. (which may explain why > Emily is so p'd off)
I have the impression that currently, Everett wants to boink Emily silly, and no one else.
> > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's going > > to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not convinced > > that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to have > > perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, with the > > medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> Agreed with you on Telford's need for power, but that is why I think > he's there pretending to be Young. Young just humiliated him on > Destiny, so he's there to get what revenge he can. I don't believe > Telford and Emily were having an affair beforehand because until very > recently Telford was stationed on Icarus.
Time for Everett and Emily to set up a password system so that he can positively ID himself to her!
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote: > In article > <4AFA886C.96387...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, > Tim Bruening > <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> > > In article > > > <4AFA0CB1.95124...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, > > > Tim Bruening > > > <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > jill wrote:
> > > > > In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > > > Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > >A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
> > > > > >>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > > > > > >>> wife > > > > > >>> already has something going on between them.
> > > > > >Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed > > > > > >it > > > > > >was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > > > > >before? :/
> > > > > >I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > > > > >revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > > > > >briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > > > > >making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > > > > > >Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > > > > >Legend11.
> > > > > Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > > > > hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > > > > and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > > > > Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > > > want > > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > > some > > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > > another > > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > > Maybe to make it interesting he'll only > > > be able to stone into a very beautiful > > > woman.
> > The commstones have already demonstrated an ability to transfer Everett Young > > into > > the body of another man.
> Which in no way prevents cross-sex > stoning
> > I propose that extra pay be given to those who agree to serve as hosts and > > even > > more extra pay be provided to those who agree to let their bodies be used for > > surrogate sex.
> And what will they do with that extra > pay on Destiny?
I mean extra pay for the people on Earth who serve as hosts for the people from Destiny!
Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote: > In article > <4AFA886C.96387...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, > Tim Bruening > <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > Malcom \"Mal\" Reynolds wrote:
> > > In article > > > <4AFA0CB1.95124...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>, > > > Tim Bruening > > > <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > > > jill wrote:
> > > > > In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > > > Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > > >A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words:
> > > > > >>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > > > > > >>> wife > > > > > >>> already has something going on between them.
> > > > > >Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed > > > > > >it > > > > > >was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > > > > >before? :/
> > > > > >I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > > > > >revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > > > > >briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > > > > >making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > > > > > >Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > > > > >Legend11.
> > > > > Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > > > > hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > > > > and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > > > > Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > > > want > > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > > some > > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > > another > > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > > Maybe to make it interesting he'll only > > > be able to stone into a very beautiful > > > woman.
> > The commstones have already demonstrated an ability to transfer Everett Young > > into > > the body of another man.
> > >> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > >> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > >>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: > > >>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's wife > > >>>>> already has something going on between them. > > >>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed it > > >>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > >>> before? :/
> > >>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > >>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > >>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > >>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to be > > >>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > >>> Legend11. > > >> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > >> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > >> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > >> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but won't > > > want > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > some > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > another > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > > going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > > convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > > have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > > with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> Although it is pretty likely that it is > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > know that she is on the ship and it is > just as likely that he was having an > affair with one of the other > women...perhaps the lieutenant
Could he have been boinking that woman Scott was trying to boink in the premiere?
> >> I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > >> Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > >> different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > >> use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > >> going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > >> convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > >> have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > >> with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> > Although it is pretty likely that it is > > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > > know that she is on the ship and it is > > just as likely that he was having an > > affair with one of the other > > women...perhaps the lieutenant
> We know it was the medic from Young's "dream/memory" at the start of > the episode.
> This also explains why she was leaving Icarus and why she "wasn't > supposed to be there".
That doesn't answer how Emily knows that the medic is on Destiny. Surely the SGC wouldn't have provided Emily with a Destiny crew manifest!
Or did Telford tell her to pry her away from Everett?
> > > > >> In article <hd5klr$vc...@news.eternal-september.org>, > > > > >> Legend11 <Slithee...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > > > >>> A Watcher <stocks...@earthlink.net> found these unused words: > > > > >>>>> Did you see the final scene? It implied that Telford and Young's > > > > >>>>> wife > > > > >>>>> already has something going on between them. > > > > >>> Did it really? So why exactly is it she couldn't have simply believed > > > > >>> it > > > > >>> was Young's conciousness in Telford's body...just as it was shortly > > > > >>> before? :/
> > > > >>> I thought it was implying that this was Telford's way of exacting his > > > > >>> revenge on Young. Either that or he just liked what he saw when he > > > > >>> briefly shot back into his own body while Young and his missus were > > > > >>> making love, and fancied finishing off the job, while pretending to > > > > >>> be > > > > >>> Young. Either way, I think it was obvious she believed it was Young.
> > > > >>> Legend11. > > > > >> Yeah. Imo, Telford is a jerk and she was clueless. Young on the other > > > > >> hand... I think he figured out what happened when he got yanked back > > > > >> and wasn't pleased. I think Telford is going to start pretending to be > > > > >> Young. We'll see if the wife falls for it.
> > > > > I see a dilemma for Everett Young: He wants to visit his wife, but > > > > > won't > > > > > want > > > > > to let Telford on board the Destiny! Therefore, Young will have to use > > > > > some > > > > > other man as a host, so his wife will have to get used to him in yet > > > > > another > > > > > body! Everett and Emily had better agree to a password so that she can > > > > > authenticate him in whatever body he uses!
> > > > I have a different take on that scene. I think Telford was there as > > > > Telford, not pretending to be Young - his stance and mannerisms are > > > > different. Also Telford's 'kink' is more for power than for sex (some > > > > use power to get sex, some use sex to get power), so I doubt he's > > > > going to be pretending to be Young to have an affair, and I'm not > > > > convinced that there is/was an affair (though Emily has good reason to > > > > have perhaps toyed with the idea - Young has already had an affair, > > > > with the medic, and he's a billion light years away).
> > > Although it is pretty likely that it is > > > the medic, I'm not sure how Emily can > > > know that she is on the ship and it is > > > just as likely that he was having an > > > affair with one of the other > > > women...perhaps the lieutenant
> > Didn't Emily say something to him about being on the ship with *her* > > (I could have sworn she did, but then maybe not).
> She did, but I'm not sure how she knows > who is on the ship and it seems pretty > stupid of Young to tell her...at least > this early.
We can only assume that Telford told her to pry her away from Everett! Everett should be wondering how Emily knows that his mistress is on Destiny.
