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Tim Bruening

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Dec 16, 2009, 7:50:11 PM12/16/09
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Everett Young: An unknown number of counts of adultery (at the Icarus
Base before the SGU series began. I have read in this newsgroup that
adultery or appearance of same are violations of the U.S. military
code), 1 count of attempted assault and battery (against Telford in
"Life"), 2 counts of assault and battery (against Telford in "Life",
against Rush in "Justice"), and one count of abandonment (Rush at the
end of "Justice").

David Telford: An unknown number of counts of appearance of adultery
(with Emily Young in "Life"). Should we also charge him with recklessly
risking the Destiny in "Earth".

Greer: At least one count of assault and battery (against Telford before
the series began), and one count of endangerment (by denying Rush water
in "Air part 3").

Rush: One count of sabotage (of the dialing experiment in "Earth"). One
count of attempted framing for murder (against Young in "Justice").

Chet Weaver

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Dec 17, 2009, 3:48:49 PM12/17/09
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4B298043...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...

>
> Rush: One count of sabotage (of the dialing experiment in "Earth"). One
> count of attempted framing for murder (against Young in "Justice").

Maybe a count of conspiracy to mutiny, too? I mean, he didn't exactly stage
a coup, but it was to oust Young out of command position.

-- Chet Weaver


Tim Bruening

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Dec 17, 2009, 6:41:50 PM12/17/09
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Chet Weaver wrote:

Who was he conspiring with?

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:24:00 PM12/17/09
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Uhhh, I think the affair was *before* Icarus base. Emily was angry
because he was going to Icarus and *she* was there, remember?

 I have read in this newsgroup that
> adultery or appearance of same are violations of the U.S. military
> code),

There are certain things that have to 'fall into place' for those
charges to be levied:

Elements.

(1) That the accused wrongfully had sexual intercourse with a certain
person;

(2) That, at the time, the accused or the other person was married to
someone else; and

(3) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to
the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was
of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.

All three elements must come into play, and I don't believe a case
could be made for the 3rd element.

1 count of attempted assault and battery (against Telford in
> "Life"), 2 counts of assault and battery (against Telford in "Life",
> against Rush in "Justice"), and one count of abandonment (Rush at the
> end of "Justice").

While I don't approve of marooning Rush, I don't know that this could
be considered anything other than beneficial to the Destiny and her
crew.

> David Telford: An unknown number of counts of appearance of adultery
> (with Emily Young in "Life").  Should we also charge him with recklessly
> risking the Destiny in "Earth".

That was done with the permission and orders of his superiors, and
mostly only military personnel were at risk (yeah, yeah,
civilians... ), in order to bring everyone home.

> Greer: At least one count of assault and battery (against Telford before
> the series began), and one count of endangerment (by denying Rush water
> in "Air part 3").

The former of which he had not been adjudicated for.

The latter was never made public by Rush, so no charges unless/until
Rush chooses.

>
> Rush: One count of sabotage (of the dialing experiment in "Earth").  One
> count of attempted framing for murder (against Young in "Justice").

Neither one works. Sabotage implies damage done to the vessel. Since
no damage was done, no sabotage. All they have on the second would be
tampering with a crime scene/evidence. Not a felony at any rate.

Smokie Darling (Annie)

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:25:15 PM12/17/09
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On Dec 17, 1:48 pm, "Chet Weaver" <zeroo...@aim.com> wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message

Not sure they could charge Rush (a civilian) with mutiny (a military
charge).

Chet Weaver

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Dec 18, 2009, 5:09:36 PM12/18/09
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"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4B2AC1BE...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
Well, I'm assuming you can have a conspiracy of one. He probably would've
come up with another plan eventually if Spencer hadn't shot himself. He was
already trying to undermine his authority with the falsified data, verbal
justifications aside. After all, there's no telling just how much control
he has over the ship's systems, or would have gotten without telling
anybody. He could blow Young out an airlock and make it look like a
malfunction, if it came to that.

-- Chet Weaver


Tim Bruening

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Dec 18, 2009, 6:52:16 PM12/18/09
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Chet Weaver wrote:

> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:4B2AC1BE...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >
> >
> > Chet Weaver wrote:
> >
> >> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> >> news:4B298043...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >> >
> >> > Rush: One count of sabotage (of the dialing experiment in "Earth").
> >> > One
> >> > count of attempted framing for murder (against Young in "Justice").
> >>
> >> Maybe a count of conspiracy to mutiny, too? I mean, he didn't exactly
> >> stage
> >> a coup, but it was to oust Young out of command position.
> >
> > Who was he conspiring with?
> >
> Well, I'm assuming you can have a conspiracy of one. He probably would've
> come up with another plan eventually if Spencer hadn't shot himself. He was
> already trying to undermine his authority with the falsified data, verbal
> justifications aside. After all, there's no telling just how much control
> he has over the ship's systems, or would have gotten without telling
> anybody. He could blow Young out an airlock and make it look like a
> malfunction, if it came to that.

I thought that a conspiracy meant a plot be two or more people to do something
nasty.

oaknymph

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Dec 18, 2009, 9:54:52 PM12/18/09
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I'm not sure since I can't go back and look again, but didn't the Lesbian
that ran Youngs murder hearing have some possible plot going with Rush?
They both have it in for Young even if for different reasons.

--
oaknymph


Dillon Pyron

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Jan 2, 2010, 10:23:24 PM1/2/10
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[Default] Thus spake Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>:

Mutiny requires three. In the 17th and 18th (early) century British
Navy, it was "hang all or hang none". Usually all.
--

- dillon I am not invalid

I love my country, It's my government I fear.

Hey, turnabout's fair play.

Chet Weaver

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:55:15 PM1/4/10
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"Dillon Pyron" <invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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Rush would've definitely required a majority to start a mutiny, but his plan
was to get everyone else to do it and think it was their idea so he wouldn't
get caught. He engineered a legal munity in framing Young for murder
without so much as a strongly-worded suggestion. And he would've gotten
away with it, too, if it weren't for those meddling kids. Well, kid. Or
however old Eli is.

-- Chet Weaver

"World leaders and shield eaters have many likes alike."
-- Hylian proverb


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