REFERENCES: A number of things in this FAQ have been challenged by various
fans, some honestly, others simply disagree with anything you say. But the
facts are the facts, so the following links, mostly interviews with the
creator, Joss Whedon, are designed to silence the senseless objections,
while arguable ones have been noted in the text.
["Mal is an atheist" says Whedon, also referring to him as the
"hero." This is a 9/2005 press conference, not even an interview.]
<http://shorl.com/fobygynastudra> or
<http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=8725>
[In this New York Times interview, Whedon makes it awfully plain:
"I'm a very hard-line, angry atheist."]
<http://shorl.com/defrejytrefrahe> ($ link) or
<http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F60912FE3C540C718EDDA00894DA404482>
["Mal is...certainly a libertarian..." says Whedon in this
interview, while also suggesting he, JW, is not.]
<http://shorl.com/hihuhejoruste> or
<http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1127384288085&call_pageid=968867495754&col=969483191630&DPL=IvsNDS%2f7ChAX&tacodalogin=yes>
[JW tells us there's no FTL in this interview, but admits frankly
that science makes him cry.]
<http://shorl.com/hygevatyledy> or
<http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=interviews&id=980>
[This is a huge online interview with Whedon]
<http://shorl.com/hokafodrystaby> or
<http://homepage.mac.com/merussell/iblog/B835531044/C1592678312/E20050916182427/index.html>
[Another huge online interview with Whedon]
<http://shorl.com/hamasiregadro> or
<http://www.infocusmag.com/05augustseptember/whedonuncut.htm>
========================================
I'll answer further questions by e-mail if you like, but probably
better to post to <alt.tv.firefly> where your question will be seen by many
other fans as well and probably answered. Just beware of the
above-mentioned haters.
This document may be quoted as long as credit is given to the
author, "Atlas Bugged," copyright 2005. If you found it helpful, let me
know at atlasbugged at gmail dot com and I will also accept corrections and
additions, which are welcome, at that address. Just remember that the point
of this FAQ - short of accuracy - is brevity. Thanks for reading along. -
ATLAS BUGGED.
> WHAT IS THIS?
<snip>
Oh, for crying out loud, Atlas, give it a rest, will you?
Eva
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Eva, Darling, it's a single post, once a week. Get on with your life dear!
I'm actually working on a web page for it, but I'll still post a link. That
said, it *is* proper to post the full text *in* the newsgroups that are
relevant. And this one is, albeit barely. I'm sorry the single weekly
message pains you so. Try to get over it though.
> "Eva" <eva1rem...@ukonline.co.uk> wrote
> > Oh, for crying out loud, Atlas, give it a rest, will you?
>
> Eva, Darling, it's a single post, once a week. Get on with your life dear!
> I'm actually working on a web page for it, but I'll still post a link. That
> said, it *is* proper to post the full text *in* the newsgroups that are
> relevant. And this one is, albeit barely. I'm sorry the single weekly
> message pains you so. Try to get over it though.
>
>
Sorry, but no, it isn't proper to post the full text in any newsgroup
but the one dedicated to the series, alt.tv.firefly. It would also be
ok to post a monthly *link* to it in rec.arts.tv.
You might also want to mention it on <http://whedonesque.com/>
Good suggestion.
If I can get it onto a web page soon, that should make life easier all
around. Until then, doing a link means doing a Google link, which is
stretching the rules a little too much. Bandwidth issues in text groups are
pretty much a thing of the past, elsewise I'd definitely do that.
That said, I won't be doing any of this forever. FIREFLY/SERENITY is in a
special situation right now because of the major Hollywood film just
released. This means there is a massive (as in millions) influx of new
fans, a base many times as large as the ordinary fan base. This is the time
for a FAQ, broadly distributed.
And I have considered Eva's (legitimate) claim that the FAQ is not-enough
on-topic WRT Sci-Fi's Friday night shows, but on balance, I'm convinced
there's tremendous overlap between fans of "good" sci-fi. For now, that
means the SG's, BSG, and FIREFLY, all of which, also importantly, are
broadcast back-to-back.
FTR, the groups for sci-fi channel, rec.arts.sf.film and TV, as well as
alt.tv.ff, seem to be directly OT, as well as probably tomservo. Thse are
probably permanent. I will soon delete Buffy/Angel groups because the
Whedon connection, though real, is weak. That leaves Skiffy's Friday
threesome, discussed above. The goal is to reduce it to a periodic link
posting, as you suggest.
It was a very good movie. What was there to dislike? I understand
people being annoyed to death by the "Browncoats" but if you look at
the movie objectively it's pretty good. Certainly one of the better
sci-fi films from the past decade. What's been better? Dreck like the
awful Planet of the Apes remake? The last 3 Lucas fiascos? Doom?
Atlas Bugged <atlasbug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:061120050501056625%cmn-n...@houston.rr.com...
> > Sorry, but no, it isn't proper to post the full text in any newsgroup
> > but the one dedicated to the series, alt.tv.firefly. It would also be
> > ok to post a monthly *link* to it in rec.arts.tv.
> >
> > You might also want to mention it on <http://whedonesque.com/>
>
> Good suggestion.
>
> If I can get it onto a web page soon, that should make life easier all
> around. Until then, doing a link means doing a Google link, which is
> stretching the rules a little too much. Bandwidth issues in text groups are
> pretty much a thing of the past, elsewise I'd definitely do that.
>
> That said, I won't be doing any of this forever. FIREFLY/SERENITY is in a
> special situation right now because of the major Hollywood film just
> released. This means there is a massive (as in millions) influx of new
> fans, a base many times as large as the ordinary fan base. This is the time
> for a FAQ, broadly distributed.
>
> And I have considered Eva's (legitimate) claim that the FAQ is not-enough
> on-topic WRT Sci-Fi's Friday night shows, but on balance, I'm convinced
> there's tremendous overlap between fans of "good" sci-fi. For now, that
> means the SG's, BSG, and FIREFLY, all of which, also importantly, are
> broadcast back-to-back.
Then you are convinced incorrectly. Change your mind, now. Yes, there
is overlap between the audiences of the shows, but that is irrelevant
to UseNET. There is a dedicated group for Firefly, alt.tv.firefly. If
people are interested in the discussion of that group, they are reading
that group. If they are not reading that group, then they are not
interested in the discussion.
>
> FTR, the groups for sci-fi channel, rec.arts.sf.film and TV, as well as
> alt.tv.ff, seem to be directly OT, as well as probably tomservo. Thse are
> probably permanent. I will soon delete Buffy/Angel groups because the
> Whedon connection, though real, is weak. That leaves Skiffy's Friday
> threesome, discussed above. The goal is to reduce it to a periodic link
> posting, as you suggest.
>
No. There is exactly one group that your FAQ is on topic for. Quit
posting it to *any* other group. This is not difficult. Your FAQ is for
alt.tv.firefly and nothing else. Period.
And you have been saying you are going to make a web page for weeks.
What is the holdup? It shouldn't take but a few minutes to move your
text file to a web page. But on further review, it is not ready for
that.
Here are some things you need to do:
1. Format your FAQ properly. See this page
<http://www.faqs.org/faqs/authors.html>
to learn what a FAQ document is supposed to look like.
Let's take further discussion of this to email. My address on this post
works as is - it is not munged.
Actually, that should just about do it. Then you can start posting it
at a reasonable rate, in the one group where it belongs.
Then you can convert it to html and add it to the FAQ at
<http://www.fireflyfans.net/>
Atlas, you don't know me well enough to call me darling. :-Ş
> ... it's a single post, once a week.
That's not the point.
> Get on with your life dear!
Already doing that. And stop patronising me, it doesn't help your cause one
bit.
> I'm actually working on a web page for it, but I'll still post a link.
That
> said, it *is* proper to post the full text *in* the newsgroups that are
> relevant.
Wow, do we have a breakthrough?! "...newsgroups that are relevant." There
you go, we agree on something, you should post the FAQ in relevant
newsgroups. Or rather *a* newsgroup. Nope, not this one. Doesn't say
'firefly' in its name, therefore, it isn't relevant.
> And this one is, albeit barely.
Then do not post it here, 'barely' does not warrant it. Atlantis is *not*
Firefly.
> I'm sorry the single weekly message pains you so.
Oh, I am so in agony... It's a matter of principle, not pain.
> Try to get over it though.
Here you go, doing that patronising thing again, shame on you.
I have never had any problems with your posts here or in the SG-1 newsgroup.
I almost defended you from the mob in the Firefly group but then I changed
my mind because I didn't have time to get involved in the going-ons there.
But your crossposting the FAQ left, right and centre is another matter.
It's the equivalent of a Jehovah witness knocking on my door, trying to sell
me his religion. If I want his religion, I will go and find his church. If
anyone wants to discuss Firefly or Serenity, they will find the Firefly
newsgroup. The Jehovah witness who bothers me in my home will only put me
off his religion and your FAQ is probably putting off potential Firefly fans
simply because you are repeatedly sticking it under their noses by posting
it in their newsgroups. Make your website, post a link if you must, and
stop exhibiting behaviour which is bordering on obsessive. As Jack would
say "It's only an FAQ, FCOL!"...
Actually, I'm no expert on FAQ's by any means, but I read the references you
pointed me to, only to find that YOU evidently haven't read them, and it
appears nearly everything you're citing as "the law" in your post is clearly
wrong. Do you read your own cites?
As to this particular issue, you have absolutely no way of knowing who's
reading what across newsgroups. I believe the overlap I'm positing simply
makes sense. I'll wager good money that the set of people who have watched
FIREFLY, but never the STARGATES, is infinitessimal. The inverse would be a
larger group only because fewer people have watched FIREFLY. But it seems
obvious to me that most who've watched part of Sci-Fi Friday have watched
other parts of it. If you have ratings data that says otherwise (which I'm
certain you do not) that would at least be interesting. As to Usenet,
however, you have no better guess than mine, except mine's educated.
>Yes, there
> is overlap between the audiences of the shows, but that is irrelevant
> to UseNET. There is a dedicated group for Firefly, alt.tv.firefly. If
> people are interested in the discussion of that group, they are reading
> that group. If they are not reading that group, then they are not
> interested in the discussion.
My FAQ isn't a discussion; it's a largely introductory item, especially my
particular FAQ, which promises brevity. (It's also an excellent reference
document which I even use myself.) And the movie means millions climbing on
board. You don't seem to read me either as I explained that the release of
the movie made for special circumstances, and I'd be reducing frequency and
other stuff as it faded.
>>
>> FTR, the groups for sci-fi channel, rec.arts.sf.film and TV, as well as
>> alt.tv.ff, seem to be directly OT, as well as probably tomservo. Thse
>> are
>> probably permanent. I will soon delete Buffy/Angel groups because the
>> Whedon connection, though real, is weak. That leaves Skiffy's Friday
>> threesome, discussed above. The goal is to reduce it to a periodic link
>> posting, as you suggest.
>>
> No. There is exactly one group that your FAQ is on topic for. Quit
> posting it to *any* other group. This is not difficult. Your FAQ is for
> alt.tv.firefly and nothing else. Period.
Bullshit. Your own source says otherwise - try reading it.
"The most common place to find FAQs are in USENET newsgroups. USENET is a
distributed discussion system that exists on the Internet and some other
networks. Many newsgroups have a FAQ specific to the subject of the
newsgroup. It is also common, in some newsgroups (that by nature cover more
ground), to have a number of FAQs on different, pertinent subjects."
I trust you understand that alt.tv.scifi.channel covers a bit of ground.
Rec.arts.sf.tv as well, obviously. What part of this escapes you?
>
> And you have been saying you are going to make a web page for weeks.
> What is the holdup? It shouldn't take but a few minutes to move your
> text file to a web page.
Sure, if you want it to look like shit. I had formatted it specifically for
Usenet readers.
I have been posting to moderated group for a half decade, and they have one
of the top techs running it (killfile.org.) So I do know some stuff about
proper Usenet posting including the FACT that posting the FAQ *in the
group,* weekly, full-text, is proper procedure.
Today, however, I did get it to a webpage, but it required about 8 hours of
reformatting, but it's insanely better now because I have it crosslinked
across the Wiki. Here's the result: http://shorl.com/gekefebetedu
>But on further review, it is not ready for
> that.
>
> Here are some things you need to do:
> 1. Format your FAQ properly. See this page
> <http://www.faqs.org/faqs/authors.html>
> to learn what a FAQ document is supposed to look like.
No. You obviously haven't read anything, including my FAQ. It is designed
for a brief, one-session read. You are robotically parroting a single set
of rules and applying them to everything.
That said, it's a good link. I'm reading it carefully.
>
> Let's take further discussion of this to email. My address on this post
> works as is - it is not munged.
From this post on - fine.
>
> Actually, that should just about do it. Then you can start posting it
> at a reasonable rate, in the one group where it belongs.
> Then you can convert it to html and add it to the FAQ at
> <http://www.fireflyfans.net/>
I looked at that site. It's great, but it really *is* an enormous FAQ.
Nevertheless, it would be appropriate there, again, as a *short* FAQ.
That's what I did with my Wiki posting.
How many FAQ's have you written? Please reference one. You do a lot of
talking, but I'd like to see what you can do.
Maybe someday....
>
>> ... it's a single post, once a week.
>
> That's not the point.
Well then I don't know what the point is. Are you being netcop? Did I
break some imagined rule?
I think the point of working against spam, trollery, inappropriate binaries,
and so on, is to keep the groups orderly and unobstructed. I just don't
think you can whine about a once-weekly singular post without seeming to
have lost all common sense, or at least all sight of what the rules are
*for.*
>
> Wow, do we have a breakthrough?! "...newsgroups that are relevant."
> There
> you go, we agree on something, you should post the FAQ in relevant
> newsgroups. Or rather *a* newsgroup. Nope, not this one. Doesn't say
> 'firefly' in its name, therefore, it isn't relevant.
I thought we did this already. I *did* consider what you said. I made a
decision. Here's what it was:
The two or three people who cannot handle that one post each week can live
their lives. There is zero harm to those uninterested. On the other hand,
to the few who would be, or are interested, the loss would be significant.
Now, I've been posting to a moderated group for over five years. If you
post off-topic there, I can get you booted. But here in the alt hierarchy,
we have to work together. Your judgment of who wants to see my post, my
single post, is not only not final, it's also uninformed, because you don't
know for a fact who else might be enjoying it. In fact, you are presuming
there is no such person, a pretty unwarranted assumption.
>
>> I'm sorry the single weekly message pains you so.
>
> Oh, I am so in agony... It's a matter of principle, not pain.
Then your devotion to "principle" has become detached from reality.
>
> I have never had any problems with your posts here or in the SG-1
> newsgroup.
> I almost defended you from the mob in the Firefly group but then I changed
> my mind because I didn't have time to get involved in the going-ons there.
Well, it's good you saw it for what it was. That gets my attention. And I
don't blame anyone who chose not to get involved with that gang - not in the
slightest.
> But your crossposting the FAQ left, right and centre is another matter.
> It's the equivalent of a Jehovah witness knocking on my door, trying to
> sell
> me his religion. If I want his religion, I will go and find his church.
> If
> anyone wants to discuss Firefly or Serenity, they will find the Firefly
> newsgroup. The Jehovah witness who bothers me in my home will only put me
> off his religion and your FAQ is probably putting off potential Firefly
> fans
> simply because you are repeatedly sticking it under their noses by posting
> it in their newsgroups. Make your website, post a link if you must, and
> stop exhibiting behaviour which is bordering on obsessive.
I just posted it to a website. So posting my link will solve your problem?
Your "principles" will no longer be violated?
Really, I will not patronize you, but your analogy is proposterous. This
isn't your home. Others live here, and you don't even know them. Firefly
isn't religion, not even by analogy. Your analogy is just absurd in so many
different ways, as is your sense of proportion. A matter of principle?
C'mon.
>As Jack would
> say "It's only an FAQ, FCOL!"...
Yeah! Here it is. Won't need to post anything but the link anymore. OK?
Happy?
http://shorl.com/gekefebetedu
And my bio is up there to. Maybe you'll like me and we can...get better
acquainted!
http://shorl.com/gunapibrokety
> "Mark Nobles" <cmn-n...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:071120051706031858%cmn-n...@houston.rr.com...
>
>>Yes, there
>>is overlap between the audiences of the shows, but that is irrelevant
>>to UseNET. There is a dedicated group for Firefly, alt.tv.firefly. If
>>people are interested in the discussion of that group, they are reading
>>that group. If they are not reading that group, then they are not
>>interested in the discussion.
>
> My FAQ isn't a discussion; it's a largely introductory item, especially my
> particular FAQ, which promises brevity. (It's also an excellent reference
> document which I even use myself.) And the movie means millions climbing on
> board. You don't seem to read me either as I explained that the release of
> the movie made for special circumstances, and I'd be reducing frequency and
> other stuff as it faded.
Yes, but in the meantime, what of all the horrific *damage* you will be
doing, by posting your FAQ once a week to some newsgroups where you
think it might reach some people who will be interested in it? How
*dare* you?! ;-)
[...]
>
>>And you have been saying you are going to make a web page for weeks.
>>What is the holdup? It shouldn't take but a few minutes to move your
>>text file to a web page.
>
> Sure, if you want it to look like shit. I had formatted it specifically for
> Usenet readers.
>
> I have been posting to moderated group for a half decade, and they have one
> of the top techs running it (killfile.org.) So I do know some stuff about
> proper Usenet posting including the FACT that posting the FAQ *in the
> group,* weekly, full-text, is proper procedure.
>
> Today, however, I did get it to a webpage, but it required about 8 hours of
> reformatting, but it's insanely better now because I have it crosslinked
> across the Wiki. Here's the result: http://shorl.com/gekefebetedu
Wow, I just spent a few minutes checking it out. Very impressive. You're
the man! :-)
Mark
The swath of destruction cut by my single post each week is...devastating.
>
>> Today, however, I did get it to a webpage, but it required about 8 hours
>> of reformatting, but it's insanely better now because I have it
>> crosslinked across the Wiki. Here's the result:
>> http://shorl.com/gekefebetedu
>
> Wow, I just spent a few minutes checking it out. Very impressive. You're
> the man! :-)
Thanks. It does take a little time to figure out the Wiki, but in the end,
they're *really* easy to work with and get decent results.
plonk
Fair enough, I guess I'll spare you guys my Lost and BG posts then :).
killfiled.
Impressive idiocy! I've actually added this post to the FAQ, which is now
located here:
<http://shorl.com/gekefebetedu>
Poor Stan tried to get his own post deleted from the Google archive, but it
didn't work out for him.
I have made it my business in recent months not to respond to posts like
this one, but it should be noted for those who are new that there's no
"official" FAQ, it's pure hot air, and moreover, the author of that other
FAQ has conceded it is dated, rambling, disorganized, and overlong. Mine is
the de-facto FAQ, and is fully updated and as accurate as it can be.
My purpose, in any event, was not to make a second FAQ, but to create a
brief intro. Now, by combining and cross-linking the FAQ with the Wiki,
mine has far more depth than the original FAQ ever did. If you want the
depth, the links are there, if not, you can get up-to-speed on FIREFLY (or
"Freifly") in a single sitting.
Those interested in language might note how the terms "troll" and "spammer"
have lost their true meaning and now translate to "someone I don't like."
I won't be posting the FAQ text anymore, even though it is proper to do so,
because if most people have web access, a link does the job. That link is
here:
http://snipurl.com/jttz
By combining the FAQ with the Wiki, and cross-linking with it, the new FAQ
has almost unlimited depth. You can click on almost any important term in
the text now and be hyper-linked to an in-depth examination of the topic.
For example, clicking on the term "River" sends you right to a character
description with a photo. Explaining things like the "Unification War" or
translating the Chinese was way beyond anything I wanted to include in the
FAQ, but now you can get to all that - or not, as you like - just by
clicking on the term.
I'll be posting the link to the FAQ weekly (usually on the weekend) to the
following groups:
alt.tv.firefly, alt.tv.scifi.channel, rec.arts.sf.movies, rec.arts.sf.tv,
alt.fan.tom-servo, alt.tv.stargate-atlantis, alt.battlestar-galactica,
alt.tv.stargate-sg1
The reason for those last three, as I've explained elsewhere, is the
connection that they are all part of Sci-fi Friday.
I will add the link to my sig, so it will be seen more frequently in
alt.tv.firefly (and wherever else I post except HPO, where it is still too
off-topic) without a formal posting more than once weekly.
Finally, even experienced Browncoats will find the site extremely useful for
its extensive "linkage" to sources outside (as well as inside) the Wiki.
Want to find that massive interview with Whedon? The online scripts? Those
hot, hi-res photos of the cast? Where-to-buy links? It's all conveniently
gathered together on one page.
Of course, I've mentioned many times that my goal from the start was a nice,
short, authoritative intro to FIREFLY that you could read in one session. I
am still perfecting the web-page's formatting, but the original task I set
out to do is complete. Thanks to those who assisted, and to the many who've
utilized it.
From here on, I'll just be posting the link, once on the weekends.