Saving A Marriage: Spoilers For SGU Series
Tim Bruening
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I hereby suggest that the next time Everett Young stones to Earth, he
should see the SGC's chaplain or one of its psychologists or a marriage
counselor if the SGC has one, and tell that person about his problems
with Emily and Telford, then ask for advice on how to convince Emily
that his affair is over, and how to square things with Telford. I'm
imagining the chaplain going with Everett to Emily's house to help
convicne Emily of her husband's fidelity.
Tim Bruening
Young arranges to stone into Telford's body again. This enables him to
tap into Telford's memories. He then stones into a non-Telford body and
says to Emily: I know what Telford has been saying to you about me and
TJ, because his memories have leaked over into my mind (then quotes
chapter and verse). To prove to you that my affair with TJ is over, I
offer to let you stone into MY body. You can then read my mind to find
out if I have been sleeping with TJ at any time since we have been
aboard the Destiny. You can also find out what life is like on the
Destiny, and even interview TJ!
Scott goes to Earth to visit Emily. He tells Emily about Everett Young
pulling him out of an ice crevice a month ago. He also says "I know
what Telford has been telling you about your husband's alleged affair on
the Destiny because his memories leaked into my brain when I used his
body a few weeks ago. (He quotes chapter and verse). I can assure you
that Young is not having any affairs on the Destiny, because in our
cramped conditions, news of such an affair would have been impossible to
keep secret. Please forgive your husband and give him another chance".
Meanwhile, Chloe gets Mrs. Armstrong to befriend Emily (thus diluting
Telford's influence) and urge Emily to forgive her husband.
I wonder what Greer could do to help Everett save his marriage.
Chet Weaver
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
news:4B234F9D...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
I doubt it's that easy. The first time was probably just a bit of Deus ex
Machina to get the sub-plot rolling, rather than a Chekov's Gun to solving
any sort of problem. I'm betting that if it is ever used again, it will
only be used to leave vague snippets so people can (mis)interpret them as
they will without being solid evidence. If he wants to know what's really
going on, I think a more sure course of action is for Young to pretend to be
Telford in order to trick Emily into revealing she's having an affair with
him.
-- Chet Weaver
oaknymph
Start his own affair with TJ of course.
--
oaknymph
oaknymph
Now I'm starting to feel sorry for Emily. I'm all for her divorcing both of
them.
--
oaknymph
Tim Bruening
oaknymph wrote:
Are you thinking of the following dialogue?:
Everett: "My affair with TJ is over. She is now sleeping with Lieutenant
Greer. I have brought him to Earth with me to tell you so in person".
However, there's no law limiting TJ to ONE man at a time!
Tim Bruening
Are you thinking in terms of the following?:
Everett: Emily, I know you have been sleeping with Telford. I forgive
you for that affair, and ask you to forgive me for my affair with TJ!
Chet Weaver
No. I see no reason it should be so simple. If Emily is sleeping with
Telford, then it might be to get back at Young for sleeping with TJ or
whoever it was. It's clear to me that Emily is in no mood to forgive
Everett for whatever he may have done or could continue to be doing
regardless of evidence to that he isn't. I think that this conflict is
supposed to be a significant sub-plot point, and it will continue for some
time and only get worse as the series progresses. Fixing it so simply so
soon would go against the grain of the show's themes. Maybe, *maybe*,
Everett and Emily will eventually forgive each other, but I doubt be the
"Everything's going to be alright again forever!", perfect marriage,
Hollywood ending you seem to be pulling for. Everything's been irrevocably
changed. No matter what, this affair will be looming over their heads for
the rest of their lives. There's just as good a chance that, no matter what
Everett does, Emily will give him a "Goodbye forever" speech and walk out,
never to be seen again. It's too salacious to have anything better than a
bittersweet ending. It may, in fact, be in the writer's best interest to
heap as much emotional strife on Everett as possible just to push him to the
brink of despair so we can watch him struggle through and maybe out of it.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
What will happen when TJ finds out what has been happening between Everett,
Emily, and David Telford?
Chet Weaver
>
> What will happen when TJ finds out what has been happening between
> Everett,
> Emily, and David Telford?
>
That said, I would expect her to be upset with Everett for (to say the
least) behaving so childishly. Other than that, having ruined Everett's
marriage and the guilt from that possibly a contributing factor to her
attempted resignation, she might not want anything to do with him anymore.
Not in the sense that she views him as disposable, but in the sense that she
doesn't want to cause any further damage.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
Suggestions: Get Mrs. Armstrong to use her political influence to obtain
permission for Emily to visit the Destiny via commstone. Suggest to Emily that
if she interrogates her husband in his own body about whether he's still having
an affair, her long experience with his body language would enable her to tell
if he's lying when he answers her questions. If TJ was Young's mistress, then
her distress when she makes her tearful apology to Emily for ruining their
marriage might help convince her of her husband's sincerity.
The next time Everett Young visits Earth, he should go talk to the SGC's
chaplain about his marital problems.
Is TJ the equivalent of the Destiny's marriage counselor? If so, that would be
ironic!
Chet Weaver
use all the mannerisms and body language of the occupying mind. Otherwise,
it would be a lot harder to convince a loved one that you're you in someone
else's body.
> Is TJ the equivalent of the Destiny's marriage counselor? If so, that
> would be
> ironic!
>
I'm sure she's the closest thing. She's not qualified to administer
psychological examinations, either. Although, I imagine someone was leading
the prayer when they were diving into the sun, so that person might fit the
bill, too. Either way, I don't think it's literally ironic unless her
efforts to counsel are what breaks the marriage apart.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I figure that Emily would be better at reading Everett's body language in
Everett's OWN body than at reading his body language in someone else's body, and
that she might be more willing to believe him on the adultery issue if she could
interrogate him in his own body.
>
>
> > Is TJ the equivalent of the Destiny's marriage counselor? If so, that
> > would be
> > ironic!
> >
> I'm sure she's the closest thing. She's not qualified to administer
> psychological examinations, either. Although, I imagine someone was leading
> the prayer when they were diving into the sun, so that person might fit the
> bill, too. Either way, I don't think it's literally ironic unless her
> efforts to counsel are what breaks the marriage apart.
TJ seems likely to be Everett Young's mistress, so for her to counsel him on his
marriage would be ironic.
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
If Young decides to split up with Emily and resume his romance with TJ (or
whoever his mistress was), how will he persuade said mistress to cooperate?
Chet Weaver
>
>
> Chet Weaver wrote:
>
>> What makes you think it even works like that? Clearly, the host body
>> would
>> use all the mannerisms and body language of the occupying mind.
>> Otherwise,
>> it would be a lot harder to convince a loved one that you're you in
>> someone
>> else's body.
>
> I figure that Emily would be better at reading Everett's body language in
> Everett's OWN body than at reading his body language in someone else's
> body, and
> that she might be more willing to believe him on the adultery issue if she
> could
> interrogate him in his own body.
>
just be wearing his clothes, as far as reading his body language is
concerned. It would more effective for her to stone into anybody else's
body and confront him that way, but I doubt she'd be willing to Quantum Leap
a billion light years to ask a question that she's convinced she already
knows the answer to.
>> > Is TJ the equivalent of the Destiny's marriage counselor? If so, that
>> > would be
>> > ironic!
>> >
>> I'm sure she's the closest thing. She's not qualified to administer
>> psychological examinations, either. Although, I imagine someone was
>> leading
>> the prayer when they were diving into the sun, so that person might fit
>> the
>> bill, too. Either way, I don't think it's literally ironic unless her
>> efforts to counsel are what breaks the marriage apart.
>
> TJ seems likely to be Everett Young's mistress, so for her to counsel him
> on his
> marriage would be ironic.
>
In a dramatic sense, that is correct. She broke it, now she "ironically"
has to fix it. In the literal sense it would have to be the opposite of
what she intended. While she may not have intended to ruin their
relationship (in the "It just kinda happened" sense), I'm sure she certainly
wasn't thinking it'd improve it. If her attempts at counseling were
intended as sabotage but it strengthens the relationship anyway, that would
be ironic. Putting right what once went wrong is more like the punishment
fitting the crime.
-- Chet Weaver
Chet Weaver
say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going to
let this go any time soon. Assuming he agrees its time to move on, however,
I think he'd be too emotionally drained and too obligatively focused on the
mission to consider hooking up with anybody. His heart wouldn't be in it,
and he has more important things to do. Assuming he gets over that, though,
I'd say just let nature take its course. They're still isolated, just more
so than before and with greater dangers. The stress of the situation may
lead them back together in search of the least bit of familiarity. This
might make them feel better, or it could just feel like a big mistake all
over again.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:4B2AC191...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >
> >
> > Chet Weaver wrote:
> >
> >> What makes you think it even works like that? Clearly, the host body
> >> would
> >> use all the mannerisms and body language of the occupying mind.
> >> Otherwise,
> >> it would be a lot harder to convince a loved one that you're you in
> >> someone
> >> else's body.
> >
> > I figure that Emily would be better at reading Everett's body language in
> > Everett's OWN body than at reading his body language in someone else's
> > body, and
> > that she might be more willing to believe him on the adultery issue if she
> > could
> > interrogate him in his own body.
> >
> But Everett would be in *Emily's* body back on Earth. Emily might as well
> just be wearing his clothes, as far as reading his body language is
> concerned. It would more effective for her to stone into anybody else's
> body and confront him that way, but I doubt she'd be willing to Quantum Leap
> a billion light years to ask a question that she's convinced she already
> knows the answer to.
That's what I thought I was proposing: Emily stone onto the Destiny in a Destiny
crewmember other than Everett or TJ, then confront both Everett and TJ about
their affair.
>> > Is TJ the equivalent of the Destiny's marriage counselor? If so, that
> >> > would be
> >> > ironic!
> >> >
> >> I'm sure she's the closest thing. She's not qualified to administer
> >> psychological examinations, either. Although, I imagine someone was
> >> leading
> >> the prayer when they were diving into the sun, so that person might fit
> >> the
> >> bill, too. Either way, I don't think it's literally ironic unless her
> >> efforts to counsel are what breaks the marriage apart.
> >
> > TJ seems likely to be Everett Young's mistress, so for her to counsel him
> > on his
> > marriage would be ironic.
> >
> In a dramatic sense, that is correct. She broke it, now she "ironically"
> has to fix it. In the literal sense it would have to be the opposite of
> what she intended. While she may not have intended to ruin their
> relationship (in the "It just kinda happened" sense), I'm sure she certainly
> wasn't thinking it'd improve it. If her attempts at counseling were
> intended as sabotage but it strengthens the relationship anyway, that would
> be ironic. Putting right what once went wrong is more like the punishment
> fitting the crime.
Bravo.
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I was figuring that Everett's anger over Emily dating Telford would likely cause
him to divorce her. One's spouse committing adultery is a common reason to
divorce one's spouse.
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:4B2B3D21...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >
> >
> > Chet Weaver wrote:
> >
> >> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> >> news:4B26BBFE...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >> >
> >> > What will happen when TJ finds out what has been happening between
> >> > Everett,
> >> > Emily, and David Telford?
> >> >
> >> I don't think it's any of her business, even if she is the other woman.
> >> That said, I would expect her to be upset with Everett for (to say the
> >> least) behaving so childishly. Other than that, having ruined Everett's
> >> marriage and the guilt from that possibly a contributing factor to her
> >> attempted resignation, she might not want anything to do with him
> >> anymore.
> >> Not in the sense that she views him as disposable, but in the sense that
> >> she
> >> doesn't want to cause any further damage.
> >
> > If Young decides to split up with Emily and resume his romance with TJ (or
> > whoever his mistress was), how will he persuade said mistress to
> > cooperate?
> >
> Considering how jealous he got when he found out she was dating Telford, I'd
> say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going to
> let this go any time soon.
What would you suggest he do to try to save his marriage? (No beating his
romantic rivals to a pulp, please).
Chet Weaver
"in his own body."
-- Chet Weaver
Chet Weaver
>
>
> Chet Weaver wrote:
>
>> Considering how jealous he got when he found out she was dating Telford,
>> I'd
>> say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going to
>> let this go any time soon. Assuming he agrees its time to move on,
>> however,
>> I think he'd be too emotionally drained and too obligatively focused on
>> the
>> mission to consider hooking up with anybody. His heart wouldn't be in
>> it,
>> and he has more important things to do. Assuming he gets over that,
>> though,
>> I'd say just let nature take its course. They're still isolated, just
>> more
>> so than before and with greater dangers. The stress of the situation may
>> lead them back together in search of the least bit of familiarity. This
>> might make them feel better, or it could just feel like a big mistake all
>> over again.
>
> I was figuring that Everett's anger over Emily dating Telford would likely
> cause
> him to divorce her. One's spouse committing adultery is a common reason
> to
> divorce one's spouse.
>
her. Everett visiting her before indicates he wants to salvage the
relationship, but clearly Emily still holds a grudge. I don't know if it's
bad enough to want a divorce, though. She may still love him, but be unable
to forgive him.
-- Chet Weaver
Chet Weaver
>
>
> Chet Weaver wrote:
>
>> Considering how jealous he got when he found out she was dating Telford,
>> I'd
>> say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going to
>> let this go any time soon.
>
> What would you suggest he do to try to save his marriage? (No beating his
> romantic rivals to a pulp, please).
>
that interested in fixing his relationship, particularly since its being
broken is a significant element to the show and his character. On that
note, I see no reason to rush things. She's not open to having it fixed
right now. She needs to come to terms with what's happened so it can stop
being a hindrance, and no amount of romantic gestures, sitcom shinanigans,
or Vulcan logic can help that along. Trying to prove anything to her will
only be like rubbing salt into her emotional wounds. Telling someone
they're wrong for being angry, especially while they're angry, will only
make them angrier since you'd be insulting them for being angry. This is
the sort of wound only time can heal, and while it will leave a scar Everett
can only wait until she is ready before asking her to give him another
chance.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I urge that the best psychologists in America be brought to the SGC to provide
counseling to the Destiny crew's families, and also stoned aboard the Destiny to
provide consoling to the crew itself. This would include providing the Youngs
with the marriage counseling they need to help them come to terms with Everett's
affair and any affairs Emily has with Telford or other men.
I'm certain that said psychologists can be trusted to keep their lips zipped
about the Stargate program, since they are sworn to doctor patient
confidentiality, and their patients would want the Stargate secret protected.
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:4B2C1550...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> >
> >
> > Chet Weaver wrote:
> >
> >> Considering how jealous he got when he found out she was dating Telford,
> >> I'd
> >> say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going to
> >> let this go any time soon.
> >
> > What would you suggest he do to try to save his marriage? (No beating his
> > romantic rivals to a pulp, please).
> >
> I seriously doubt a good rival-pulping is the answer here. I'm also not all
> that interested in fixing his relationship, particularly since its being
> broken is a significant element to the show and his character. On that
> note, I see no reason to rush things. She's not open to having it fixed
> right now. She needs to come to terms with what's happened so it can stop
> being a hindrance, and no amount of romantic gestures, sitcom shinanigans,
> or Vulcan logic can help that along.
What can help her come to terms with Everett's affair?
> Trying to prove anything to her will
> only be like rubbing salt into her emotional wounds.
How can she come to terms with the adultery as long as she believes that its
still going on? I figured that proving to her that the affair is over would be
the first step to helping her come to terms with it.
Would it help for Scott to tell Emily the blood chilling tale of how Young
rescued him from an ice crevice (Water), or for Mrs. Armstrong to befriend her?
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I suggest that Dr. Phil be sworn to secrecy and brought in to provide
counseling to both the Destiny crew and their families. He can be
allowed to make recordings of the counseling sessions to be broadcast
when the Stargate program goes public.
Chet Weaver
>
>
> Chet Weaver wrote:
>
>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:4B2C1550...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>> >
>> >
>> > Chet Weaver wrote:
>> >
>> >> Considering how jealous he got when he found out she was dating
>> >> Telford,
>> >> I'd
>> >> say a divorce is the last thing on his mind. I don't think he's going
>> >> to
>> >> let this go any time soon.
>> >
>> > What would you suggest he do to try to save his marriage? (No beating
>> > his
>> > romantic rivals to a pulp, please).
>> >
>> I seriously doubt a good rival-pulping is the answer here. I'm also not
>> all
>> that interested in fixing his relationship, particularly since its being
>> broken is a significant element to the show and his character. On that
>> note, I see no reason to rush things. She's not open to having it fixed
>> right now. She needs to come to terms with what's happened so it can
>> stop
>> being a hindrance, and no amount of romantic gestures, sitcom
>> shinanigans,
>> or Vulcan logic can help that along.
>
> What can help her come to terms with Everett's affair?
>
the Stargate 'verse and do just one thing for them... It wouldn't help in
the slightest and probably just make things worse.
>> Trying to prove anything to her will
>> only be like rubbing salt into her emotional wounds.
>
> How can she come to terms with the adultery as long as she believes that
> its
> still going on? I figured that proving to her that the affair is over
> would be
> the first step to helping her come to terms with it.
>
Evidence is irrelevant to matters of the heart. No matter what you prove,
it won't change how she feels about the situation. Dragging her to a
hearing (in reference to your previous "lie detector" solution) will just
draw unwarranted attention to it and irritate her further.
> Would it help for Scott to tell Emily the blood chilling tale of how Young
> rescued him from an ice crevice (Water), or for Mrs. Armstrong to befriend
> her?
>
Would you like Hitler any better if you knew he liked puppies? Young's
manliness and courage isn't the issue. It's his faithfulness that's in
doubt. If his not leaving Scott behind expresses that, what does his
leaving Rush behind tell you? While Young might not be cheating now, he has
in the past and Emily has no assurances that he won't in the future. Trust
has been broken, and that's not easy to fix.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I'm certain that Emily does not think that her husband is a power mad, homocidal
dictator, so Scott telling her about how Young rescued him should have more
impact that someone telling me that Hitler was a dog lover.
Chet Weaver
>
>
> Chet Weaver wrote:
>
>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:4B2F435B...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>> >
>> > Young
>> > rescued him from an ice crevice (Water), or for Mrs. Armstrong to
>> > befriend
>> > her?
>> >
>> Would you like Hitler any better if you knew he liked puppies? Young's
>> manliness and courage isn't the issue. It's his faithfulness that's in
>> doubt. If his not leaving Scott behind expresses that, what does his
>> leaving Rush behind tell you? While Young might not be cheating now, he
>> has
>> in the past and Emily has no assurances that he won't in the future.
>> Trust
>> has been broken, and that's not easy to fix.
>
> I'm certain that Emily does not think that her husband is a power mad,
> homocidal
> dictator, so Scott telling her about how Young rescued him should have
> more
> impact that someone telling me that Hitler was a dog lover.
>
swoon like a teenager over tales of derring-do.
-- Chet Weaver
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I recommend that the next time Everett Young stones to Earth, he go to the
following websites: HowtoSurvivetheAffair.com, and www.marriagebuilders.com
(which has several articles by a Dr. Hurley on how to restore a marriage after
an affair, including one titled "Four Rules to Guide Marital Recovery After an
Affair). He should also Google "Marriage recovery after an affair".
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
My proposed Everett Young speech: I'm sorry I had an affair with TJ.
I'm sorry I ever strayed from you. The affair is over. You are the
only person I want to have an affair with! I want to restore my love
for you. I will tell you the truth about every aspect of my life (but
promise me you will keep your lips zipped about the Stargate program!).
Please forgive me and let me back into your heart.
Tim Bruening
Chet Weaver wrote:
I got the impression in "Life" that Emily was swooning over Telford! (in spite
of her protestations that he is just a friend).
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening wrote:
To restore a marriage after an affair, Dr. Hurley says that the spouse who
wandered must totally separate from his/her lover (so as to avoid temptation
during the recovery period), and spend as much time as possible with the other
spouse. How in the universe is Everett Young going to do that? He's stuck on the
Destiny WITH his former lover, and is physically seperated from his wife by at
least a billion light years!