Things I like about Seven
Countess Tess
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> I was just watching "The Killing Game" while getting some work done.
> Watching Seven in action reminded me of all the reasons why I think
> she's the best character on Voyager. OK, the blonde eye candy feature is
> there, I'm not gonna deny that, but she also has such a no-bullsh*t
> demeanor that I can't help but love her. In the holodeck simulation
> she's the one who wants to get the heavy explosives to attack the Nazis,
> no mincing about (LOL at "mademoiselle de neuf" too). Later, when told
> to sing or die by the Hirogen, she says in an icy voice I'll never
> forget: "then I'll die." Not willing to back off, she tells a worried
> Tuvok that "logic is irrelevant." Right to his face, Seven tells the
> Hirogen to basically kiss her a** and think of her when the Borg (with
> whom she still identified in season 4) assimilate the Hirogen.
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> What a kick ass character. Seven alone makes Voyager worth watching.
I agree but what I like most is the dry humor she displays.
Tess
Mike. H.
"Steve Christianson" <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I was watching that the last two nights as well. Great episode(s). Man, did
she look hot in the black sweater and her hair down or what. Good lord! No
wonder she assimilated so well - who would *want* to resist? <g>
Bill Crawford
<stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Hey, stop snickering! <g> This is a serious message.
>
>I was just watching "The Killing Game" while getting some work done.
>Watching Seven in action reminded me of all the reasons why I think
>she's the best character on Voyager. OK, the blonde eye candy feature is
>there, I'm not gonna deny that, but she also has such a no-bullsh*t
>demeanor that I can't help but love her. In the holodeck simulation
>she's the one who wants to get the heavy explosives to attack the Nazis,
>no mincing about (LOL at "mademoiselle de neuf" too). Later, when told
>to sing or die by the Hirogen, she says in an icy voice I'll never
>forget: "then I'll die." Not willing to back off, she tells a worried
>Tuvok that "logic is irrelevant." Right to his face, Seven tells the
>Hirogen to basically kiss her a** and think of her when the Borg (with
>whom she still identified in season 4) assimilate the Hirogen.
>
>What a kick ass character. Seven alone makes Voyager worth watching.
Now, Steve...we all know you're just sucking up to the Goddess. :)
- Will, backing up vast amounts of sh<beep>t to CD
Lady Pie aka Michelle
Steve Christianson <stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I was just watching "The Killing Game" while getting some work done.
> Watching Seven in action reminded me of all the reasons why I think
> she's the best character on Voyager. OK, the blonde eye candy feature is
> there, I'm not gonna deny that, but she also has such a no-bullsh*t
> demeanor that I can't help but love her. In the holodeck simulation
> she's the one who wants to get the heavy explosives to attack the Nazis,
> no mincing about (LOL at "mademoiselle de neuf" too). Later, when told
> to sing or die by the Hirogen, she says in an icy voice I'll never
> forget: "then I'll die." Not willing to back off, she tells a worried
> Tuvok that "logic is irrelevant." Right to his face, Seven tells the
> Hirogen to basically kiss her a** and think of her when the Borg (with
> whom she still identified in season 4) assimilate the Hirogen.
>
> What a kick ass character. Seven alone makes Voyager worth watching.
Funny enough, I totally agree Steve!
JP
> Hey, stop snickering! <g> This is a serious message.
Who are you, and what have you done with Steve? <g>
<snip details>
Great voice.
Great bod.
Great attitude.
What else could I guy want? 'Cept maybe someone to wash the socks........
<OINK> :)
> What a kick ass character. Seven alone makes Voyager worth watching.
Doc could carry the show as much, for me.
Although...... I doubt he'd look good in silver spandex...... }:)
JP
King of Cyberia
spoke to the members of alt.tv.star-trek.voyager:
SC :X-No-Archive: yes
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SC :
SC :Hey, stop snickering! <g> This is a serious message.
=pats Stevie on the head=
Yes dear, we all know you adore Sven Borgnine...
SC :
SC :I was just watching "The Killing Game" while getting some work done.
Not bloody likely.
SC :there, I'm not gonna deny that, but she also has such a no-bullsh*t
SC :demeanor that I can't help but love her. In the holodeck simulation
SC :she's the one who wants to get the heavy explosives to attack the Nazis,
SC :no mincing about (LOL at "mademoiselle de neuf" too). Later, when told
SC :to sing or die by the Hirogen, she says in an icy voice I'll never
SC :forget: "then I'll die." Not willing to back off, she tells a worried
SC :Tuvok that "logic is irrelevant." Right to his face, Seven tells the
SC :Hirogen to basically kiss her a** and think of her when the Borg (with
SC :whom she still identified in season 4) assimilate the Hirogen.
SC :
SC :What a kick ass character. Seven alone makes Voyager worth watching.
TKG must be an early ep, I think 7's become more tame since then.
So you like confident women who know what they want, and how to get it
right?
Well get ready for more info on her, Jeri Ryan actually.
Are you sitting down, Steve? Good.
USA Weekend, June 23 2000 reprint
Website: http://www.usaweekend.com/celebs/whos_news/index.html
Q: Jeri Ryan is so terrific as "Seven" in Star Trek: Voyager you'd think
she had a ton of experience. I don't recall seeing her before. Is it
her first job? -- from Dan B. (Nashville)
A: No, but the half-human, half-alien she plays is her first major part.
A former Miss Illinois and third runner-up in 1990's Miss America
pageant, Ryan, 32, was ready when Voyager, launching its final season
this fall, called three years ago; she had experience as a guest on
Melrose Place and Charlie Grace.
Her few film roles are less memorable, but look for her in Disney's
comedy _The Kid_, set for July 7. An Army brat who grew up all over
the world, Ryan-- "Jeri Lynn" to family-- lives in Los Angeles with
son Alex, 6. Her marriage to Alex's dad ended in her first year on
Voyager.
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"This will put my words in your mouth."
(Patrick Stewart)
WuName: the Silent Observer
(Not related to the ppl at www.geocities.com/ussindependencea/index.html)
Home of Section 31 and Area 001 Command: home.coqui.net/hannbio/index1.htm
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So do I.
Doreen Hartz
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LOL Steve, since resistance is futile in this case here's what I like about
Seven:
Doreen
Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't find
anything TO like about her.
Arlie
anything TO like about her. <<
I like her sometimes...but not really in "Killing Game." She spent most of her
time on the holodeck, and the holodeck parts of that episode just didn't do it
for me. That's the problem with holodeck episodes: they aren't real, and so
are of limited interest.
I liked the Hirogen in these eps. And of course, Harry kicked major butt!
-- Arlie
Lisa
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> I liked the Hirogen in these eps. And of course, Harry kicked major butt!
He did indeed! Ironic that they didnt write him in the holodeck because
they couldnt be bothered and his part turned out the best of all! I still
havent recovered from seeing Tom and Chak in those silly hats! Mind you,
they'll never be as bad as Harrys hat in Fair Haven <g>
Lisa
JP
> I'm his mirror universe twin, who also likes DS9 and leads a healthy,
> clean-cut life.
Sweet......... Emperor Boomie, can I keep this one? :)
> And someone who can cook, don't forget that. <g>
You kidding? Chick like that better be loaded so she can take me out to
dinner at the Ribs N Things eaterie near you....... <OINK>
> > Although...... I doubt he'd look good in silver spandex...... }:)
>
> <shiver> Thanks for that vision, JP. <g>
*L* Glad to bring you back to reality. :)
JP
Helen & Bob
> On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:23:02 -0500, "Doreen Hartz"
> <dth...@inwave.com> wrote:
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> |Doreen
> |Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't find
> |anything TO like about her.
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meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow.
Bob
kab...@7of.9
>"Steve Christianson" wrote:
>> I'm his mirror universe twin, who also likes DS9 and leads a healthy,
>> clean-cut life.
>
>Sweet......... Emperor Boomie, can I keep this one? :)
**For your years of service to your Emperor, I award you: Anti-Steve,
use as directed...
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>> And someone who can cook, don't forget that. <g>
>
>You kidding? Chick like that better be loaded so she can take me out to
>dinner at the Ribs N Things eaterie near you....... <OINK>
>
>
>> > Although...... I doubt he'd look good in silver spandex...... }:)
>>
>> <shiver> Thanks for that vision, JP. <g>
>
>*L* Glad to bring you back to reality. :)
**More like crashing back to reality :)
Emperor Boom
Masked Man
<dth...@inwave.com> wrote:
|Doreen
|Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't find
|anything TO like about her.
Masked Man----->In a worst case scenario, there are always at least
two things to like about Seven of Nine....<g>
--
Who was that masked man?
Arlie
I liked Harry's hat. At least it didn't make him look like Michael Dukakis....
-- Arlie
Lady Pie aka Michelle
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> > > On Thu, 29 Jun 2000 14:23:02 -0500, "Doreen Hartz"
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> > > |Doreen
> > > |Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't
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> > Bob
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I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is one of
the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress as
well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL acting
job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the looks -
there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her talent
portion as well. What a voice.
Mic
Arlie
LOL! To quote Soolin from Blake's 7: "Oh, terrific. If two men don't like each
other that's a rational judgement. If it's two women what else could it be but
jealousy?"
-- Arlie
TC
ROFLOL
> -- Arlie
Juli17
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>the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress as
>well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL acting
>job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the looks -
>there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her talent
>portion as well. What a voice.
>
>Mic
>
I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I don't recall
what series. I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike the
overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have given to
Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same level of
interest in the development of the other main characters.
Julie
F_Lee
Juli17 wrote
>I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I don't
recall
>what series. I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
>don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike
the
>overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have given
to
>Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same level
of
>interest in the development of the other main characters.
>
I've always thought it was interesting that Eric Dawson, Roxann's husband
was the casting agent for that - I've never heard either of them (Jeri
/Roxann) mention that...
F.
Doreen Hartz
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> > |Doreen
> > |Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't
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> meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow, meow.
> Bob
>
LOL Bob, definitely!!
At least the men are lucky in that with Wesley, they can't be accused of
that....
OTOH, I do believe that she single-handedly comes up with the answer for the
rest of the crew in more than half the episodes, seasons 4-6.
Doreen
Doreen Hartz
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> >> Sad, isn't it? They're just jealous of my Baby Doll.
> >
> >I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is one
of
> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress as
> >well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL acting
> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
looks -
> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
talent
> >portion as well. What a voice.
> >
> >Mic
> >
>
recall
> what series. I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
> don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike
the
> overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have
given to
> Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same
level of
> interest in the development of the other main characters.
>
>
>
You're kinder than I am about her acting, but you basically stated my
"Wesley" argument perfectly!
Doreen
Arlie
each
> other that's a rational judgement. If it's two women what else could it be
but
> jealousy?"
Because men are unlikely to hate each other for showing up to a party
wearing the same type of shoes.
[runs] <<
<thwack!>
I'll have you know I only hate men who show up to a party wearing the same
shoes I am....
-- Arlie
Michele
I agree with you both
--
Michele
"take the cheese to sickbay" B'elanna
What is the phrase heard most often in Voyager's Mess Hall?
"Medical Emergency!!!"
What did the blonde Klingon say?
It was a good day to dye.
Doreen Hartz
"Arlie" <arl...@aol.comNoSpam> wrote in message
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> >> Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't
find
> anything TO like about her. <<
>
I don't like her anytimes, because I can usually see another character that
they SHOULD have used in this scene, but they opted not to.
The Killing Game made me gag, (for more reasons than Jeri Ryan's adequate
singing) but Seven's torch numbers were the piece de resistance, (which Kate
Mulgrew couldn't say in a French accent if someone put a gun to her head,
judging from this show).
She spent most of her
> time on the holodeck, and the holodeck parts of that episode just didn't
do it
> for me. That's the problem with holodeck episodes: they aren't real, and
so
> are of limited interest.
Well, Neelix and the Doc and the Klingons were hilarious and IMO, the only
redeeming thing about this episode.
>
> I liked the Hirogen in these eps.
I thought the Hirogen had real promise as enemies...they ruined them in
these 2 eps for me. Yeah, uh huh...music soothes the savage beast....UGH!
And of course, Harry kicked major butt!
>
>
> -- Arlie
Yes Arlie, he did. I usually like Harry better in this type of mode.
Doreen
Arlie
redeeming thing about this episode. <<
They went on a little too long, IMO. Still, that's what holodeck scenes should
be for: a brief glimpse to provide humor or insight into the characters. *Not*
the whole plot.
>> I thought the Hirogen had real promise as enemies...they ruined them in
these 2 eps for me. Yeah, uh huh...music soothes the savage beast....UGH! <<
I liked the idea of a race who evolved as solitary hunters having to adapt to
spacefaring life.
>> And of course, Harry kicked major butt!
Yes Arlie, he did. I usually like Harry better in this type of mode. <<
It was interesting because it was different...but it was still Harry. An
aspect of his personality we'd only seen hints of before.
-- Arlie
Masked Man
wrote:
|(which Kate
|Mulgrew couldn't say in a French accent if someone put a gun to her head,
|judging from this show).
Masked Man---->Hey, there are lots of us in that boat!
Doreen Hartz
"Arlie" <arl...@aol.comNoSpam> wrote in message
> >> Well, Neelix and the Doc and the Klingons were hilarious and IMO, the
only
> redeeming thing about this episode. <<
>
> They went on a little too long, IMO. Still, that's what holodeck scenes
should
> be for: a brief glimpse to provide humor or insight into the characters.
*Not*
> the whole plot.
I couldn't agree more!!!
>
> >> I thought the Hirogen had real promise as enemies...they ruined them in
> these 2 eps for me. Yeah, uh huh...music soothes the savage beast....UGH!
<<
>
> I liked the idea of a race who evolved as solitary hunters having to adapt
to
> spacefaring life.
So did I and when they first encountered them, the Hirogen were frightening.
>
> >> And of course, Harry kicked major butt!
>
> Yes Arlie, he did. I usually like Harry better in this type of mode. <<
>
> It was interesting because it was different...but it was still Harry. An
> aspect of his personality we'd only seen hints of before.
>
>
> -- Arlie
I agree again here, and a part we don't usually see him pushed to either, as
Harry seems to be the perfect StarFleet Academy Graduate, much like Janeway.
Doreen
Doreen Hartz
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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:13:37 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dth...@inwave.com>
> wrote:
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> |(which Kate
> |Mulgrew couldn't say in a French accent if someone put a gun to her head,
> |judging from this show).
>
> Masked Man---->Hey, there are lots of us in that boat!
LOL...
I have my bad moments too, but I'm not an actor paid LOTS of money to make
people believe in her French accent on the holodeck.
Doreen
Willia...@webtv.net
AND....
She can sing.
She has proven her acting ability time and again, buy "stepping out" of
the borg personna.
She is the only reason to watch Voyager...
Well her and to see Janeways coutrmartial, which markmy words, will come
when they finally make it home.
TC
> She is the only reason to watch Voyager...
Nah, she's good. But not the only reason
> Well her and to see Janeways coutrmartial, which markmy words, will come
> when they finally make it home.
Don't hold your breath. Ain't gonna happen.
TC
David B.
> Well her and to see Janeways coutrmartial, which markmy words, will come
> when they finally make it home.
Ain't gonna happen. Bringing back an intact ship with most of the crew
alive would be seen as an heroic act. Something to make the people feel
good after a devastating Alpha Quadrant war.
Suzy
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>"Juli17" <jul...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>> >> Sad, isn't it? They're just jealous of my Baby Doll.
>> >
>> >I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is one
>of
>> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress as
>> >well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL acting
>> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
>looks -
>> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
>talent
>> >portion as well. What a voice.
Yes what a voice, she could not sing in the 1990 Miss America pageant and
she still can't sing! Well the Miss America pageant has never been noted
to choose the most *talented* top ten contestants ;)
>> >
>> >Mic
>> >
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I don't
>recall
>> what series.
Dark Skies, think she was in just a few eps.
I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
>> don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike
>the
>> overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have
>given to
>> Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same
>level of
>> interest in the development of the other main characters.
>>
>>
>> Julie
>>
>
>You're kinder than I am about her acting, but you basically stated my
>"Wesley" argument perfectly!
Air lock button anyone??? LOL
>
>Doreen
Suzy ( clink gf )
>
>
Lady Pie aka Michelle
Suzy <suz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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I said ...
> >> >I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is
one
> >of
> >> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress
as
> >> >well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL
acting
> >> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
> >looks -
> >> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
> >talent
> >> >portion as well. What a voice.
>
> Yes what a voice, she could not sing in the 1990 Miss America pageant and
> she still can't sing! Well the Miss America pageant has never been noted
> to choose the most *talented* top ten contestants ;)
Actually that is one of the very few pagents that does focus mainly on
talent and poise. It has also produced a number of success stories. Look
at Vanessa Williams. No one can dispute her talent.
I didn't see Ryan in that pagent or if I did, it wasn't reamrkable. But I
have heard her sing and I think she is wonderful. But then again, I like
Celine Dion and Shania Twain - so what do I know?
Mic
Masked Man
<LadyPi...@NOLIKESPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
|But then again, I like
|Celine Dion and Shania Twain - so what do I know?
Masked Man---->I know what I know: you have great taste in music.
Celine is one of a kind. When all is said and done, she'll be one of
the great pop singers of our time - mentioned in the same breath as
Ella and Frank...
Lady Pie aka Michelle
Thanks, MM. I don't necessarily care for every song she has ever done, but
there is no denying the talent. She is also a classy lady.
Mic
Merrick Baldelli
>I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I don't recall
>what series. I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress.
Julie -- following are wonderful tools to use here before you
decide on posting something vague:
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http://www.startrek.com
Use of any one of these will automatically raise the value of
your posts from casual poster, to informed poster in no time flat.
Following is a filmography for Jeri (Lynn) Ryan:
Birth name Jeri Lynn Zimmerman
Date of birth (location)
22 February 1968,
Munich, Germany
Sometimes Credited As:
Jeri Lynn (II)
Jeri Lynn Ryan
Filmography as: Actress, Notable TV guest appearances
1.Dracula 2000 (2000) ... aka Wes Craven Presents Dracula 2000 (2000)
(USA)
2.Kid, The (2000) (as Jeri Ryan) ... aka Disney's The Kid (2000) (USA:
complete title)
3.Last Man, The (2000) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) .... Monique
4.Men Cry Bullets (1997) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) .... Lydia
5."Dark Skies" (1996) TV Series (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) .... Juliet Stuart
(1997)
6."Star Trek: Voyager" (1995) TV Series (as Jeri Ryan) .... Seven of
Nine aka Annika Hansen (1997-)
7.Pier 66 (1996) (TV) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) .... Beth Saunders
8.Co-ed Call Girl (1996) (TV) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) .... Kimberly
9.Matlock: The Fatal Seduction (1993) (TV) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) ....
Carrie
10.In the Line of Duty: Ambush in Waco (1993) (TV) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan)
11.Nightmare in Columbia County (1991) (TV) (as Jeri Lynn Ryan) ....
Dawn Elizabeth Smith ... aka Victim of Beauty (1991) (TV) (UK)
Filmography as: Actress, Notable TV guest appearances
Notable TV guest appearances
1."Sentinel, The" (1996) playing "Alexis Barnes" in episode:
"Sentinel, Too: Part 2" (episode # 4.1) 2/1/1999
2."Dilbert" (1999) playing "7 of 9 alarm clock"(voice) in episode:
"Gift, The" (episode # 2.1) 11/2/1998
3."Sentinel, The" (1996) playing "Alexis Barnes" in episode:
"Sentinel, Too" (episode # 3.23) 5/20/1998
4."Melrose Place" (1992) playing "Valerie Madison" in episode:
"Ruthless People" (episode # 4.25) 3/4/1996
5."Melrose Place" (1992) playing "Valerie Madison" in episode: "Devil
In a Wet Dress" (episode # 4.22) 2/12/1996
6."Client, The" (1995) playing "Jennifer" in episode: "Morning After,
The" (episode # 1.15) 2/6/1996
7."Charlie Grace" (1995) playing "Claire" in episode: "Designer
Knock-Off" (episode # 1.5) 10/12/1995
8."Murder, She Wrote" (1984) playing "Maura" in episode: "Death 'N
Denial" (episode # 11.13) 1/22/1995
9."Time Trax" (1993) playing "Lauren Sanders" in episode: "Out For
Blood" (episode # 2.18) 10/31/1994
10."Matlock" (1986) playing "Carrie" in episode: "Fatal Seduction:
Part 2" (episode # 8.3) 10/7/1993
11."Matlock" (1986) playing "Carrie" in episode: "Fatal Seduction:
Part 1" (episode # 8.2) 9/30/1993
12."Jackie Thomas Show, The" (1992) playing "Pauline Yardley" in
episode: "Jackie and the Model" (episode # 1.6) 1/5/1993
13."Nurses" (1991) playing "Lisa" in episode: "Mother, Jugs, and Zach"
(episode # 1.6) 10/19/1991
14."Top of the Heap" (1991) playing "Tyler" in episode: "Marrying Guy,
The" (episode # 1.6) 5/12/1991
15."Flash, The" (1990) playing "Felicia Kane" in episode: "Deadly
Nightshade, The" (episode # 1.15) 3/28/1991
16."Reasonable Doubts" (1991) playing "Rachel Beckwith"(episode # 1.9)
17."Who's the Boss?" (1984) playing "Pam" in episode: "Unsinkable Tony
Micelli, The" (episode # 7.17) 1991
>I don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike the
>overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have given to
>Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same level of
>interest in the development of the other main characters.
When you're Seven of Braga -- overuse is irrelevant.
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Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>I agree again here, and a part we don't usually see him pushed to either, as
>Harry seems to be the perfect StarFleet Academy Graduate, much like Janeway.
*gagging on morning coffee*
This is sarcasm, right?
Merrick Baldelli
>>> I thought the Hirogen had real promise as enemies...they ruined them in
>these 2 eps for me. Yeah, uh huh...music soothes the savage beast....UGH! <<
>
>I liked the idea of a race who evolved as solitary hunters having to adapt to
>spacefaring life.
I thought that they were already space faring, and then became
solitary hunters?
Merrick Baldelli
<stevechr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Because men are unlikely to hate each other for showing up to a party
>wearing the same type of shoes.
>
>[runs]
>
><g>
You need to come to one of my parties. I swear I have to make
sure plastic utensils and glasses are used, or else there would be
marred people everywhere.
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>OTOH, I do believe that she single-handedly comes up with the answer for the
>rest of the crew in more than half the episodes, seasons 4-6.
Ironically, I was out shopping Saturday night and came across
a Star Trek Mag that had the statistics of Wonder Wesley. Here, let
me share them with you:
Total percent Wesley Crusher saved the Enterprise in 7
seasons:
12%
Total percent Wesley Crusher saved the Enterprise until he
left in "First Duty":
20%
Total percent Wesley Crush saved the Enterprise in the First
Season:
**** 24% ****
I can't wait to see percentages for Seven of Braga.
Doreen Hartz
"Suzy" <suz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:AmX75.4033$xL3.3...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> >
> >"Juli17" <jul...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:20000630232305...@ng-xg1.aol.com...
> >> >> Sad, isn't it? They're just jealous of my Baby Doll.
> >> >
one
> >of
> >> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress
as
> >> >well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL
acting
> >> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
> >looks -
> >> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
> >talent
> >> >portion as well. What a voice.
>
> Yes what a voice, she could not sing in the 1990 Miss America pageant and
> she still can't sing! Well the Miss America pageant has never been noted
> to choose the most *talented* top ten contestants ;)
Hi gf:-)
*you* at least, are speaking from experience ...
I can comment because her voice is my range and Since I have heard them, I
think that Picardo, Beltran, Russ, (and probably Philips and Dawson), sing
equally as well....(don't know if KM or GW sing).
>
> >> >
> >> >Mic
> >> >
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I don't
> >recall
> >> what series.
>
> Dark Skies, think she was in just a few eps.
>
> I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
> >> don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just
dislike
> >the
> >> overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have
> >given to
> >> Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same
> >level of
> >> interest in the development of the other main characters.
> >>
> >>
> >> Julie
> >>
> >
> >You're kinder than I am about her acting, but you basically stated my
> >"Wesley" argument perfectly!
>
> Air lock button anyone??? LOL
*WOOSH*
LOL...it's a nice thought anyway!
Doreen
Doreen Hartz
"Merrick Baldelli" <mbal...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:00:40 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dth...@inwave.com>
> wrote:
>
> >OTOH, I do believe that she single-handedly comes up with the answer for
the
> >rest of the crew in more than half the episodes, seasons 4-6.
>
> Ironically, I was out shopping Saturday night and came across
> a Star Trek Mag that had the statistics of Wonder Wesley. Here, let
> me share them with you:
>
> Total percent Wesley Crusher saved the Enterprise in 7
> seasons:
>
> 12%
I'd bet this tops a few other characters...
>
> Total percent Wesley Crusher saved the Enterprise until he
> left in "First Duty":
>
> 20%
>
> Total percent Wesley Crush saved the Enterprise in the First
> Season:
>
> **** 24% ****
>
> I can't wait to see percentages for Seven of Braga.
Me either...I am sure she has surpassed him, and I would imagine the Doc has
too...
That's interesting. Thanks for sharing it!
Doreen
Suzy
Lady Pie aka Michelle wrote in message ...
>
>Suzy <suz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>news:AmX75.4033$xL3.3...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>
>> >> >I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is
>one
>> >of
>> >> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress
>as
>> >> >well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL
>acting
>> >> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
>> >looks -
>> >> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
>> >talent
>> >> >portion as well. What a voice.
>>
>> Yes what a voice, she could not sing in the 1990 Miss America pageant and
>> she still can't sing! Well the Miss America pageant has never been
noted
>> to choose the most *talented* top ten contestants ;)
>
>talent and poise. It has also produced a number of success stories. Look
>at Vanessa Williams. No one can dispute her talent.
Actually Talent is worth 40%, Swimsuit and evening gown is 30% and Interview
is worth 30% of the program they changed the rules a few years back. It is
a wonderful program for young women, but most the most talented women are
left in the remaining 40 contestants not picked for the top 10. They pick
the top ten to create a "good show" and not always the best singers etc are
selected. A lot of it depends on the state you are from (Illinois has a
strong state pageant).
Vanessa Williams was a very strong singer and has my respect as a artist she
could sing and deserved the title. To this day I give her credit for
going on and showing the Miss A pageant just how talented she was!!!
>
>I didn't see Ryan in that pagent or if I did, it wasn't reamrkable. But I
>have heard her sing and I think she is wonderful. But then again, I like
>Celine Dion and Shania Twain - so what do I know?
I enjoy Celine and enjoy cranking Shania on the car cd player, but as far as
Jeri Ryan singing would have to disagree with you :))))
>
>Mic
Suzy
>
>
>
Therese Gray
from "Doreen Hartz" <dth...@inwave.com> contains these words:
> "Suzy" <suz...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:AmX75.4033$xL3.3...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > Doreen Hartz wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >"Juli17" <jul...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > >news:20000630232305...@ng-xg1.aol.com...
> > >> >> Sad, isn't it? They're just jealous of my Baby Doll.
> > >> >
> > >> >I can honestly say that I am not jealous of her, but I think she is
> one of
> > >> >the most beautiful women in the business and is a damned fine actress
> as well. I couldn't believe when I read that VOY was her first REAL acting
> > >> >job. She seems much more seasoned than any of them. ANd as for the
> > >looks -
> > >> >there is 3rd runner up for 1990 Miss America. She placed high in her
> > >talent portion as well. What a voice.
> >
> > Yes what a voice, she could not sing in the 1990 Miss America pageant and
> > she still can't sing! Well the Miss America pageant has never been noted
> > to choose the most *talented* top ten contestants ;)
> Hi gf:-)
> *you* at least, are speaking from experience ...
> I can comment because her voice is my range and Since I have heard them, I
> think that Picardo, Beltran, Russ, (and probably Philips and Dawson), sing
> equally as well....(don't know if KM or GW sing).
You forgot Robbie! :(
I've heard him sing, and he's pretty much at the same level as Tim, IMHO.
Arlie
to
>spacefaring life.
I thought that they were already space faring, and then became
solitary hunters? <<
No, I think they were always solitary hunters. The problem was that space
travel allowed them/forced them to become *too* solitary. Sort of Trek's
version of Dorsai. <g>
-- Arlie
Suzy
Yes my limited experience but was a fun time :)))
Can we say Elizabeth Ward er Gracen???
>I can comment because her voice is my range and Since I have heard them, I
>think that Picardo, Beltran, Russ, (and probably Philips and Dawson), sing
>equally as well....(don't know if KM or GW sing).
Interesting would put Tim Russ way ahead of them all as far as voices go but
thats just MHO :)))
>
>>
>> >> >
>> >> >Mic
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> I'm pretty sure Jeri Ryan was in a TV series before Voyager but I
don't
>> >recall
>> >> what series.
>>
>> Dark Skies, think she was in just a few eps.
>>
>> I believe it was short-lived. But she is a good actress. I
>> >> don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just
>dislike
>> >the
>> >> overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have
>> >given to
>> >> Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same
>> >level of
>> >> interest in the development of the other main characters.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Julie
>> >>
>> >
>> >You're kinder than I am about her acting, but you basically stated my
>> >"Wesley" argument perfectly!
>>
>> Air lock button anyone??? LOL
>
>*WOOSH*
>
>LOL...it's a nice thought anyway!
Yes it is a very nice thought <VBEG>
>
>Doreen
Suzy
>
>
>
Michele
> >recall
>
> > Julie -- following are wonderful tools to use here before you
> >decide on posting something vague:
> >
> > http://www.deja.com
> > http://www.imdb.com
> > http://www.startrek.com
> >
> > Use of any one of these will automatically raise the value of
> >your posts from casual poster, to informed poster in no time flat.
> >
>
> I'll state it. When I don't, I will simply state as I did above, that I'm not
> quite sure of the specifics, thus allowing someone else who does know the
> specifics to fill them in. Quite honestly, I had no interest in researching
> exactly which series Jeri Ryan appeared in briefly. If not knowing that little
> fact makes me a "casual" poster, instead of an "informed" poster, oh, well.
>
> I've noticed that posting "vague" information is done quite often on this
> newsgroup, without people being told to go do research before they post. So
> why pick on me? Still ticked at me for being supposedly "ignorant" when it was
> *you* who misread my post, accused me falsely of making a statement I did not
> make, and then flamed me? That's the best I can figure, and I don't get it.
> You were wrong.
>
> >
> >>I don't dislike her at all, or even the character of Seven. I just dislike
> >the
> >>overuse of the character, and the amount of time and energy TPTB have given
> >to
> >>Seven's development while not bothering to show the remotely the same level
> >of
> >>interest in the development of the other main characters.
>
>
>
> Julie
Julie just ignore him he is an jerk. You did nothing wrong.
I think he wants to stir things up.
Juli17
Doreen Hartz
"Therese Gray" <tg...@zetnet.co.uk> wrote in message
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> The message <Im785.1405$ef3.3...@homer.alpha.net>
> from "Doreen Hartz" <dth...@inwave.com> contains these words:
>
them, I
> > think that Picardo, Beltran, Russ, (and probably Philips and Dawson),
sing
> > equally as well....(don't know if KM or GW sing).
>
>
>
> I've heard him sing, and he's pretty much at the same level as Tim, IMHO.
>
Wow...loved his speaking voice...I don't think it records well on tv...
If he's at the Ball stuff this year, we'll have to see if we can get him to
sing something (he was great with the audience).
Doreen
WingateWDM
singing at the ball-----Tim or Robbie? Thanks (IOWA GAL)
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
>
>"Arlie" <arl...@aol.comNoSpam> wrote in message
>news:20000629182640...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
>> >> Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and can't
>find
>> anything TO like about her. <<
>>
>> I like her sometimes...but not really in "Killing Game."
>
>I don't like her anytimes, because I can usually see another character that
>they SHOULD have used in this scene, but they opted not to.
>The Killing Game made me gag, (for more reasons than Jeri Ryan's adequate
>singing) but Seven's torch numbers were the piece de resistance, (which Kate
>Mulgrew couldn't say in a French accent if someone put a gun to her head,
>judging from this show).
and she supposedly speaks French and Italian... but she didn't notice
that Rhys-Davies mispronounced "stupido" when she was in the same
scene with him...
maybe she *reads* these languages but doesn't speak them all that
well...
Julianna
--------
Tuvok:
The main reason to watch Voyager!
Merrick Baldelli
wrote:
>On Mon, 3 Jul 2000 08:56:14 -0500, "Lady Pie aka Michelle"
><LadyPi...@NOLIKESPAMyahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>|But then again, I like
>|Celine Dion and Shania Twain - so what do I know?
>
>Masked Man---->I know what I know: you have great taste in music.
>Celine is one of a kind. When all is said and done, she'll be one of
>the great pop singers of our time - mentioned in the same breath as
>Ella and Frank...
You misspelled Anne Murray.
Merrick Baldelli
>No, I think they were always solitary hunters.
No, they weren't. In Hunters we learned that they weren't
originally solitary hunters, other than perhaps on the same
recreational level as humans. Sometime later, after they got bored
with their society did they discover the thrill of the hunt on a far
more broader range.
>The problem was that space travel allowed them/forced them to
>become *too* solitary. Sort of Trek's version of Dorsai. <g>
More plagiarism? Unheard of..
Doreen Hartz
"Julianna Feigl" <glacierqu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 1 Jul 2000 09:13:37 -0500, "Doreen Hartz" <dth...@inwave.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Arlie" <arl...@aol.comNoSpam> wrote in message
> >news:20000629182640...@ng-ch1.aol.com...
> >> >> Who finds Seven of Nine to be the Wesley Crusher of Voyager and
can't
> >find
> >> anything TO like about her. <<
> >>
> >> I like her sometimes...but not really in "Killing Game."
> >
> >I don't like her anytimes, because I can usually see another character
that
> >they SHOULD have used in this scene, but they opted not to.
> >The Killing Game made me gag, (for more reasons than Jeri Ryan's adequate
> >singing) but Seven's torch numbers were the piece de resistance, (which
Kate
> >Mulgrew couldn't say in a French accent if someone put a gun to her head,
> >judging from this show).
>
> and she supposedly speaks French and Italian... but she didn't notice
> that Rhys-Davies mispronounced "stupido" when she was in the same
> scene with him...
Hi Julianna:-))
Nice to see you again. Were you on vacation?
I will look for this when i watch this ep.
>
> maybe she *reads* these languages but doesn't speak them all that
> well...
I was kind of tough on her, but I really don't like this episode. Her
French didn't completely bug me because we weren't supposed to believe the
validity of the whole thing like the Hirogen.
Doreen
Doreen Hartz
"WingateWDM" <winga...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20000705024906...@ng-fz1.aol.com...
> Doreen----Who were you talking about being great with the audience and
maybe
> singing at the ball-----Tim or Robbie? Thanks (IOWA GAL)
Tim Russ already sang (with his band) at Galaxy Ball 99, and Bob Picardo and
Robert Beltran sang as well.
Therese was mentioning that Robbie sings (which I did not know) or we
probably would have bugged him for it during his q and a (we did try and get
Robert and Robbie to "riverdance" and they wouldn't...).
Doreen
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
>
>Doreen Hartz wrote in message ...
>
>>I can comment because her voice is my range and Since I have heard them, I
>>think that Picardo, Beltran, Russ, (and probably Philips and Dawson), sing
>>equally as well....(don't know if KM or GW sing).
>
>Interesting would put Tim Russ way ahead of them all as far as voices go but
>thats just MHO :)))
>
:-))))))))))))))))))))
Suzy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You are the *only* person that said something nice about Tim in my
absence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arlie
No, they weren't. In Hunters we learned that they weren't
originally solitary hunters, other than perhaps on the same
recreational level as humans. Sometime later, after they got bored
with their society did they discover the thrill of the hunt on a far
more broader range. <<
I don't remember that at all. We hardly learned anything about the Hirogen in
"Hunters," except that there were rules for hunting and that gory trophies were
valued.
"Killing Game" makes it sound like they've always been a predatory species,
always lived to hunt. When they killed all the prey in an area, they moved on
to new hunting grounds:
"We've lost our way. We've allowed our predatory instincts to dominate us. We
disperse ourselves throughout the quadrant, sending ships in all directions.
We've become a solitary race, isolated. We've spread ourselves too thin. We're
no longer a culture. We have no identity. In another thousand years no one will
remember the name 'Hirogen.' Our people must come back together -- combine
forces, rebuild our civilization."
I interpret that to mean that they've always been predators, and always been
solitary while hunting. Only they used to go back to camp afterwards, back when
they were planetbound.
-- Arlie
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
not really, unless you count a one-day trip with my choir to perform
in a small town 4 hours away from where I live (yes, that's right -
almost 8 hours on the road...)
>>
>> maybe she *reads* these languages but doesn't speak them all that
>> well...
>
>I was kind of tough on her, but I really don't like this episode. Her
>French didn't completely bug me because we weren't supposed to believe the
>validity of the whole thing like the Hirogen.
>
yeah, that's why I didn't bother too much either...
WingateWDM
together and change topics and I miss the change. (IOWA GAL)
Doreen Hartz
> Doreen---Thanks for clearing that up for me. Sometimes post threads run
> together and change topics and I miss the change. (IOWA GAL)
Any time:-)
With my new server, I think I miss about 1/3 of replies...
Doreen
Doreen Hartz
That sounds wonderful to me!! What kind of choir?
I can't sing any longer (vocal node, too much teaching, and hideous
allergies in IL) and I really miss it.
Doreen
Merrick Baldelli
>>>>No, I think they were always solitary hunters.
>
> No, they weren't. In Hunters we learned that they weren't
>originally solitary hunters, other than perhaps on the same
>recreational level as humans. Sometime later, after they got bored
>with their society did they discover the thrill of the hunt on a far
>more broader range. <<
>
>I don't remember that at all. We hardly learned anything about the Hirogen in
>"Hunters," except that there were rules for hunting and that gory trophies were
>valued.
>
>"Killing Game" makes it sound like they've always been a predatory species,
>always lived to hunt. When they killed all the prey in an area, they moved on
>to new hunting grounds:
>
>"We've lost our way. We've allowed our predatory instincts to dominate us. We
>disperse ourselves throughout the quadrant, sending ships in all directions.
>We've become a solitary race, isolated. We've spread ourselves too thin. We're
>no longer a culture. We have no identity. In another thousand years no one will
>remember the name 'Hirogen.' Our people must come back together -- combine
>forces, rebuild our civilization."
Thanks for the correct, I did have "Killing Game" in mind when
I mentioned Hunters. That to me reads as though they were at one
point not as predatory as they are today. It indicates a society was
built and it did indeed have more than hunting as the central theme.
>I interpret that to mean that they've always been predators, and always been
>solitary while hunting. Only they used to go back to camp afterwards, back when
>they were planetbound.
Culture is more than hunting/gathering.
Culture (from www.dictionary.com):*
1. a. The totality of socially transmitted behavior patterns,
arts, beliefs, institutions, and all other products of human work and
thought.
b. These patterns, traits, and products considered as the
expression of a particular period, class, community, or population:
Edwardian culture; Japanese culture; the culture of poverty.
c. These patterns, traits, and products considered with
respect to a particular category, such as a field, subject, or mode of
expression: religious culture in the Middle Ages; musical culture;
oral culture.
2. Intellectual and artistic activity, and the works produced
by it.
3. a. Development of the intellect through training or
education.
b. Enlightenment resulting from such training or
education.
4. A high degree of taste and refinement formed by aesthetic
and intellectual training.
[rest snipped]
Synonyms: culture, cultivation, breeding, refinement, taste.
These nouns denote a personal quality resulting from the
development of intellect, manners, and aesthetic appreciation. Culture
implies enlightenment attained through close association with and
appreciation of the highest level of civilization: “Culture is then
properly described not as having its origin in curiosity, but as
having its origin in the love of perfection” (Matthew Arnold).
Cultivation suggests the process of self-improvement or
self-development through which culture is acquired: The books and
paintings in her library reflect her considerable cultivation.
Breeding is revealed especially in good manners, poise, and
sensitivity to the feelings of others: “The test of a man's or woman's
breeding is how they behave in a quarrel” (George Bernard Shaw).
Refinement stresses aversion to coarseness and implies a delicacy of
feeling associated with fastidiousness: “to seek elegance rather than
luxury, and refinement rather than fashion” (William Henry Channing).
Taste is the capacity for recognizing and appreciating what is
fitting, proper, or aesthetically superior: “These questions of taste,
of feeling, of inheritance, need no settlement. Every one carries his
own inch-rule of taste” (Henry Adams).
* substitute human for race of choice.
With these qualities defined, try to define for me a culture
on Hunting.
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
church music, classical style, in latin. This time we did a mass plus
two more pieces (one for the introduction, one at the end) by Diabelli
(early 19th century, I believe).
>I can't sing any longer (vocal node, too much teaching, and hideous
>allergies in IL) and I really miss it.
>
I love singing
Arlie
on Hunting. <<
C.J. Cherryh's HUNTER OF WORLDS.
It's about the Iduve, a race that evolved from predators. And now they hunt
among the stars. It was really interesting, how she contrasted them with their
"prey," the kallia, a race that evolved from herd animals -- the equivalent of
intelligent gazelles. And with humans, who evolved from primates who were both
predators and prey.
Cherryh did a pretty good job of depicting a culture of predators. Their whole
society revolved around revenge and brinksmanship -- similar to the Hirogen's
obsession with trophies. And also around something loosely translated as
"freedom" -- which meant freedom to roam and hunt wherever they wanted. They
couldn't understand the human longing for love. Their word for love translated
as "acquisitiveness." In Iduve, "I like you" translates as "I want to own you."
Acquisitiveness was not really seen as very desirable. Lots of possessions
only slow down a hunter.
And they lived much as the Hirogen did, though in bigger groups, on larger
ships. Each ship was a clan, run by a leader and hunting a specific territory.
Ships generally met only in battle, or to mate. And such meetings were never
easy, often ending in fatalities.
It was sort of implied in the book that the Iduve had turned to hunting each
other as they became more "civilized," and that going to space and finding
other races to oppress was done at least partly to avoid killing each other
off. I wonder if it might have been the same for the Hirogen?
-- Arlie
Doreen Hartz
I would have enjoyed it (long commute and all)....
I hope you had a wonderful time.
Doreen
Julianna Feigl
wrote:
yep - the performance went pretty well, and the people in the church
told us afterwards how much they had enjoyed it. There was a large
buffett in the church's patio and it was free for the choir and the
orchestra so we had lots of delicious sandwiches and desserts and lots
to drink.
Merrick Baldelli
>>> With these qualities defined, try to define for me a culture
>on Hunting. <<
>
>C.J. Cherryh's HUNTER OF WORLDS.
DOH!!! I should've remembered Cherryh (and quite a few other
science fiction/fantasy writers) do a damned good job at doing
wonderful representations of alien species and specific traits within
the race.
For in her Foreigner Series, she defines the Atevi as a herd
species that follows a definite hierarchy of leader down to simply
followers.
I should've asked for specific cultural references within the
realms of Star Trek in general...
>Cherryh did a pretty good job of depicting a culture of predators. Their whole
>society revolved around revenge and brinksmanship -- similar to the Hirogen's
>obsession with trophies. And also around something loosely translated as
>"freedom" -- which meant freedom to roam and hunt wherever they wanted. They
>couldn't understand the human longing for love. Their word for love translated
>as "acquisitiveness." In Iduve, "I like you" translates as "I want to own you."
>Acquisitiveness was not really seen as very desirable. Lots of possessions
>only slow down a hunter.
LOL.. She had a blast doing that with the word like/love with
in the Atevi/human Interface (in Atevi like/love is always associated
to something eaten, like "I like/love this salad"). Imagine Banichi's
(Atevi) surprise and frustration when Bren Cameron (Human) says "I
like you, Banichi." She had "you are my salad" comments running
throughout the next three books.
>It was sort of implied in the book that the Iduve had turned to hunting each
>other as they became more "civilized," and that going to space and finding
>other races to oppress was done at least partly to avoid killing each other
>off. I wonder if it might have been the same for the Hirogen?
Okay Arlie, I'll concede your point only in that you and I are
obviously Cherryh fans and definitely have an appreciation for
"Anthropological Science-Fiction" stories. However, I would like to
point out that in the current trend of Star Trek, I severely doubt the
writers usually have this in mind when they make up races.
Take a look at the way the Klingons were butchered to know
that the Hirogen no doubt felt the same ax blade.
Bozo the Evil Klown
>obviously Cherryh fans and definitely have an appreciation for
>"Anthropological Science-Fiction" stories. However, I would like to
>point out that in the current trend of Star Trek, I severely doubt the
>writers usually have this in mind when they make up races.
I'd be delighted if the writers had *anything* in their minds when their
fingers hit the keyboards.
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"Insanity is a part of the times, Vir: You must learn to *embrace* the
madness!!" Londo Mollari
Arlie
in the Atevi/human Interface (in Atevi like/love is always associated
to something eaten, like "I like/love this salad"). Imagine Banichi's
(Atevi) surprise and frustration when Bren Cameron (Human) says "I
like you, Banichi." She had "you are my salad" comments running
throughout the next three books. <<
Oh, I love the Foreigner series. Great stuff. The general setup reminded me
just a little of "Blink of an Eye."
>> Okay Arlie, I'll concede your point only in that you and I are
obviously Cherryh fans and definitely have an appreciation for
"Anthropological Science-Fiction" stories. However, I would like to
point out that in the current trend of Star Trek, I severely doubt the
writers usually have this in mind when they make up races. <<
No...but I think whenever they do come up with anything remotely resembling
good SF, they are ripping off classic books and movies of the field. Like I
said, that speech in "Killing Game" really reminded me of Dorsai. I don't know
if Hunter of Worlds was in any way an inspiration, but there have been other SF
books about intelligent aliens who evolved from predators.
Yes, I'm making the radical assumption that the Voyager chimps know how to
read. <g>
-- Arlie
Merrick Baldelli
>Oh, I love the Foreigner series. Great stuff. The general setup reminded me
>just a little of "Blink of an Eye."
I've already cut through "Precursor" twice (going on a third
because for the life of me, I can't seem to find anything that truly
catches my eye in the bookstores), and waiting rather impatiently for
"Defender".
I really want to see Tamun suffer the same fate as Hanks. (Am
I giving anything away with this? No.)
>Yes, I'm making the radical assumption that the Voyager chimps know how to
>read. <g>
LOL!!! No truer words have been spoken.
Merrick Baldelli
Klown) wrote:
>>Okay Arlie, I'll concede your point only in that you and I are
>>obviously Cherryh fans and definitely have an appreciation for
>>"Anthropological Science-Fiction" stories. However, I would like to
>>point out that in the current trend of Star Trek, I severely doubt the
>>writers usually have this in mind when they make up races.
>
>I'd be delighted if the writers had *anything* in their minds when their
>fingers hit the keyboards.
What? A sucking sound from the contained black-holes doesn't
count as *anything*?