THE SHAT, tonight on Bill O'Reilly
Anim8rFSK
gonna be unwatchable garbage.
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wrote:
>Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
>gonna be unwatchable garbage.
In other words; Shat, Show
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Please, please, do not refer to William Shatner as "shat". Shat is the past
tense of shit. When you call him "shat", you're saying he is an old shit.
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> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
> gonna be unwatchable garbage.
That's why I got such a kick out of the movie "Galaxy Quest." The
dynamics of the troupe of actors was similar to the Trek actors. In the
movie, the actor who plays the captain behaved like Shatner, was just as
arrogant as Shatner, and was hated by the other actors just like
Shatner. In fact, I remember that from the back, he even looked a bit
like Shatner.
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WickeddollŽ
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is gonna
>> be unwatchable garbage.
>
> That's why I got such a kick out of the movie "Galaxy Quest." The
> dynamics of the troupe of actors was similar to the Trek actors. In the
> movie, the actor who plays the captain behaved like Shatner, was just as
> arrogant as Shatner, and was hated by the other actors just like Shatner.
> In fact, I remember that from the back, he even looked a bit like Shatner.
>
>
> --
> Steven L.
I think it's interesting that Shatner is dissing the picture without even
knowing what the plot is. Really makes him look petty and jealous, IMO.
Sour grapes.
Natalie
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
They didn't discuss the movie at all.
WickeddollŽ
> "WickeddollŽ" <
>> "Steven L." ...
>> >> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
>> >> gonna
>> >> be unwatchable garbage.
>> >
>> > That's why I got such a kick out of the movie "Galaxy Quest." The
>> > dynamics of the troupe of actors was similar to the Trek actors. In
>> > the
>> > movie, the actor who plays the captain behaved like Shatner, was just
>> > as
>> > arrogant as Shatner, and was hated by the other actors just like
>> > Shatner.
>> > In fact, I remember that from the back, he even looked a bit like
>> > Shatner.
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Steven L.
>>
>> I think it's interesting that Shatner is dissing the picture without even
>> knowing what the plot is. Really makes him look petty and jealous, IMO.
>>
>> Sour grapes.
>>
>> Natalie
>
> They didn't discuss the movie at all.
>
> --
>
"Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is gonna
be unwatchable garbage."
What did I miss?
Natalie
Alric Knebel
Shatner is a very vain man, and he hates the idea that someone would
take a concept he starred in and go on without him. It does make him
look petty and jealous. He's old. It's the cycle of life. The next
generation moves on without and leaves the previous generation to die.
I'm looking forward to the movie, and I'm sure a lot of other people
are, too. Shatner dissing it will only make it look better, because the
original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from what
little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better. (My cable provider
didn't have carry the channel, and now Spike has it in reruns.)
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> "Anim8rFSK"
>> "WickeddollŽ" <
>>> "Steven L." ...
>>>>> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie
>>>>> is gonna
>>>>> be unwatchable garbage.
>>>>
>>>> That's why I got such a kick out of the movie "Galaxy Quest." The
>>>> dynamics of the troupe of actors was similar to the Trek actors. In the
>>>> movie, the actor who plays the captain behaved like Shatner, was
>>>> just as
>>>> arrogant as Shatner, and was hated by the other actors just like
>>>> Shatner.
>>>> In fact, I remember that from the back, he even looked a bit like
>>>> Shatner.
>>>>
>>>
>>> without even knowing what the plot is. Really makes him look petty
>>> and jealous, IMO. Sour grapes.
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>
>> They didn't discuss the movie at all.
>>
>>
>
> "Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
> gonna be unwatchable garbage."
>
> What did I miss?
>
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Forge
> Shatner is a very vain man, and he hates the idea that someone would
> take a concept he starred in and go on without him. It does make him
> look petty and jealous. He's old. It's the cycle of life. The next
> generation moves on without and leaves the previous generation to die.
> I'm looking forward to the movie, and I'm sure a lot of other people
> are, too. Shatner dissing it will only make it look better, because the
> original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from what
> little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better. (My cable provider
> didn't have carry the channel, and now Spike has it in reruns.)
I still kinda like TOS but it's definitely showing its age. It's now
very much like watching a so-so scifi movie from the 50s with the pointy
collars and the women in pointy bras. TNG had several really good
episodes, a couple dozen even, and actors that weren't so full of
themselves that it ruined the show, but the concept was a little off and
the execution wasn't so hot. I could go on.
I strongly disliked Voyager in its first run, but we've been catching it
in reruns on SPIKE, and the wife and I have fallen in love with the show
completely. Some episodes actually make me get a little sentimental. And
I've pretty much forgiven them for dumping the cute blonde and bringing
in Enormous of Breasts, because Ryan isn't just attractive, she can
actually act, God forbid. So glad she's still getting work 'cuz she's a
jewel of modern television.
I love Shatner but sometimes he's just full of crap. But I feel we gotta
respect the guy 'cuz without Big Personalities like him and Roddenberry,
sci-fi teevee might never have gotten off the ground at all. Unless you
want to count "Lost in Space" and "Land of the Giants," and I certainly
don't.
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
I hadn't seen the show yet when I posted that he was gonna be on silly!
James Squire
Even the passage of time will never make me like any of the spinoffs
nearly as much as TOS. What has happened is that I like Babylon 5 a lot
more than Star Trek:TOS.
I mean, if William Shatner feels this way about the upcoming movie he
should get over it, but his character Captain Kirk is my all time
favorite Star Trek captain.
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Which castmates? On Boston Legal?
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So, I think we know where your biases lie.
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Mac Breck
> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
<thud>
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Mac Breck
> Even the passage of time will never make me like any of the spinoffs
> nearly as much as TOS.
I like TOS the most, then TNG (though, to me it hasn't held up as well
as TOS.), a couple of bits of DS9 and VOY, and a fair portion of Seasons
3 & 4 of ENT.
> What has happened is that I like Babylon 5 a
> lot more than Star Trek:TOS.
I like Babylon 5 a lot more than any Trek.
> I mean, if William Shatner feels this way about the upcoming movie he
> should get over it, but his character Captain Kirk is my all time
> favorite Star Trek captain.
Eh, Picard was good too, but I like him mainly because I'm a fan of
Patrick Stewart.
Gisele
72EC05.140...@news.west.cox.net:
> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie
is
> gonna be unwatchable garbage.
Lol, on O'Reilly......hahahaha. They go together somehow.....<g>
Gisele
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Anim8rFSK
<eb18c74b-4d82-4419...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
record hunter <record...@gmail.com> wrote:
He said nothing about Trek that we hadn't heard before. Just that when
he was writing his first book he found out Nichelle claimed they all
hated him, and they were young, and admitted to any problems with Nimoy
being The Shat's own fault for being jealous of the attention Nimoy was
getting but that's they're best friends now. There wasn't even any
mention of a movie being made which some might consider ominous.
He said everybody on Boston Legal is great and chalked it up to them
being mature.
He told a story about being in the play The World of Susie Wong, and how
there's a scene where an actor claps him on the back, and the guy took
to clapping him really hard when the audience didn't laugh loud enough.
He told the guy to stop and he wouldn't; he talked to all the people
upstream and they refused to do anything; so he told the actor that if
he did it again he was gonna belt him one, and next time the guy did it,
POW!
Mostly he was just plugging his book.
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>
> <thud>
Don't thud the troll.
WickeddollŽ
> Anim8rFSK ,
>> "WickeddollŽ" wrote:
>
>>> No? Then what did you mean by this?
>>>
>>> "Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
>>> gonna
>>> be unwatchable garbage."
>>>
>>> What did I miss?
>>>
>>> Natalie
>>
>> I hadn't seen the show yet when I posted that he was gonna be on silly!
>
> So, I think we know where your biases lie.
He's gotcha there, Anim.
:-)
Natalie
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GeneK
> Mostly he was just plugging his book.
Shatner has developed into a master of showmanship.
He dropped a few grumbly lines about the new film
months ago, and now anytime he makes an appearance
or gives an interview, people flock to see and read it
whether they like him and want to sympathize with him
or dislike him and are looking for more things they can
use to dis him. Talkshow producers and website owners
know that this will happen, bringing in bunches of pro
and anti Shatner TV viewers, radio listeners and web
surfers who will see or hear their commercials and
banner ads. Shatner plugs his books and other
projects, and the producers get their ad numbers up.
And Trek XI even gets more talked about. Even if
Shatner never says another word about it again.
GeneK
WickeddollŽ
> "Mac Breck" wrote:
>
>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>
>> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>
>> <thud>
>
> Don't thud the troll.
>
Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though. Expressing said opinion
disrespectfully is the determining factor.
For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be any
good without him.
He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
:-P
Natalie
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I don't think Bill has said anything without his tongue in his cheek
in about 8 years.
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK"
> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
> >
> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >>
> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >>
> >> <thud>
> >
> > Don't thud the troll.
> >
>
> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
that.
Expressing said opinion
> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
>
> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be any
> good without him.
I haven't, but he's right.
>
> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
>
> :-P
>
> Natalie
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Gisele
news:v4uo249v3mms8qj60...@4ax.com:
Lol, now that's the truth..<g>
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
>In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK"
>> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>> >>
>> >> <thud>
>> >
>> > Don't thud the troll.
>> >
>>
>> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>
>Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
>that.
>
If one watched a few Voyager episodes (say some of Ryan's good
Borg-centric ones) without understanding the fatal underpinnings* of
the show, it could come off as interesting, or good.
*Reset buttons
Almost no character development
Typical Federation pansiness
gimmicky characters
Boring hard-headed aliens with ridges on their noses
A-B/C storylines in one episode.
Like TNG, the Doctor/Captain relationship is sabotaged byt the
writers. In VOY, when the Doctor tries to stand up to the Captain SHE
TURNS HIM OFF.
Some good episodes:
The first Q appearance
"DRONE"
The first Brad Dourif appearance
And I thought the hand-wrangling on the internet over TUVIX was
ridiculous
But the complete lack of subtle acting in all the modern series is
astonishing. DS9 at least had enough Sci-Fi/intrigue and good
recurring guest actors to make up for it. For example, I'm watching
the TOS MIRROR,MIRROR right now and the entire episode is littered
with nice subtle, brilliant moments that are almost never seen in TNG
and VOY.
PV
>are, too. Shatner dissing it will only make it look better, because the
>original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from what
>little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better. (My cable provider
Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
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like corkscrews.
GeneK
>> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't
>> be any
>> good without him.
>
> I haven't, but he's right.
I think it's possible to make a good Star Trek film
without Shatner (or for that matter, without any of
the original TOS cast). I have less confidence
that one can be made with Nimoy and without
Shatner. Look what happened the last time they
tried to make a Star Trek film with only one of
them.
GeneK
WickeddollŽ
"WickeddollŽ"
wrote:
>
>>"Anim8rFSK"
>>> "Mac Breck" wrote:
>>>
>>>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>>
>>>> <thud>
>>>
>>> Don't thud the troll.
>>>
>>
>>Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though. Expressing said
>>opinion
>>disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>>
>>For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be
>>any
>>good without him.
>>
>>He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
>>
>>:-P
>>
>>Natalie
>
> I don't think Bill has said anything without his tongue in his cheek
> in about 8 years.
Not that time - he was saying he couldn't see any way the new film could be
a success without him.
Natalie
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Well, you saw it and i didn't, but remember what he said about winning
his first Emmy: "It's about time!"
And if you watch him on that Star Wars anniversery thing a few years
back (yes, Star WARS-look it up on Youtube) I don't see how people can
call him stuffy and arrogant. He's constantly letting the air out fo
his own tires.
WickeddollŽ
> "WickeddollŽ"
>> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
>> >
>> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>> >>
>> >> <thud>
>> >
>> > Don't thud the troll.
>> >
>>
>> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>
> Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> that.
>
it's the best too. I personally don't think it's the best Trek (I think
overall, TNG is), but I like Janeway better than any of the other captains.
Not because she's a woman, either.
> Expressing said opinion
>> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>
> No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
>>
See above.
>> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be
>> any
>> good without him.
>
> I haven't, but he's right.
I respectfully disagree. He's not what defines Trek, despite his own
delusions.
>>
>> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
>>
>> :-P
>>
>> Natalie
>
Guess you can't argue with that part, huh?
;-)
Natalie
WickeddollŽ
Anim8rFSK <
*snipping for brevity*
> And I thought the hand-wrangling on the internet over TUVIX was
> ridiculous
Agreed - get rid of the monstrosity. LOL
>
> But the complete lack of subtle acting in all the modern series is
> astonishing. DS9 at least had enough Sci-Fi/intrigue and good
> recurring guest actors to make up for it. For example, I'm watching
> the TOS MIRROR,MIRROR right now and the entire episode is littered
> with nice subtle, brilliant moments that are almost never seen in TNG
> and VOY.
Gisele, is that you?
;-)
Natalie
Alric Knebel
> Did any of you actually watch O'Reilly when Shatner was on?
I know I didn't. Not because I wouldn't have watched him, but The
O'Reilly Factor isn't my cup of tea. Did you watch? What did he discuss?
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Alric Knebel
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
>
>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>
>
> <thud>
You don't think VOYAGER is any good. I really liked the whole look of it.
WickeddollŽ
LOL I remember reading about that.
>
> And if you watch him on that Star Wars anniversery thing a few years
> back (yes, Star WARS-look it up on Youtube) I don't see how people can
> call him stuffy and arrogant. He's constantly letting the air out fo
> his own tires.
That's *now* - he wasn't always that way. I thought he was a jerk in the
old days, since with every interview, he seemed to be full of himself. But
now, I think he's hilarious and adorable. He's finally come to realize how
fortunate he really has been, and is having the time of his life. Good for
him!
Natalie
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Alric Knebel
> In article <4uadnSuc8at1w7HV...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Alric Knebel wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>
>><thud>
>
>
> Don't thud the troll.
Don't pay any attention this stupid dick. He's got the opinions of a
fucking high school kid.
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK"
> > "WickeddollŽ"
> >> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> >> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >> >>
> >> >> <thud>
> >> >
> >> > Don't thud the troll.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
> >
> > Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> > that.
> >
> No, it's a difference of opinion. I've known plenty of others who think
> it's the best too.
No one believes that; no one could. They're kidding you.
I personally don't think it's the best Trek (I think
> overall, TNG is), but I like Janeway better than any of the other captains.
> Not because she's a woman, either.
Because she's criminally incompetent?
>
> > Expressing said opinion
> >> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
> >
> > No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> > best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
> >>
>
> See above.
>
> >> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be
> >> any
> >> good without him.
> >
> > I haven't, but he's right.
>
> I respectfully disagree. He's not what defines Trek, despite his own
> delusions.
> >>
> >> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
> >>
> >> :-P
> >>
> >> Natalie
> >
>
> Guess you can't argue with that part, huh?
Why should it?
>
> ;-)
WickeddollŽ
>> > "WickeddollŽ"
>> >> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And
>> >> >> > from
>> >> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> <thud>
>> >> >
>> >> > Don't thud the troll.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>> >
>> > Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
>> > that.
>> >
>> No, it's a difference of opinion. I've known plenty of others who think
>> it's the best too.
>
> No one believes that; no one could. They're kidding you.
No, they weren't. You don't like it - fine, but don't insult those who
disagree with you. Kate Mulgrew remains among the most popular Trek actors
at conventions (standing room only for any part of it she does). Part of
the folks present are completists, who want to encounter every one of the
captains, whether they like them or not, but you'll never convince me that's
the only type who would pack that huge ballroom.
>
> I personally don't think it's the best Trek (I think
>> overall, TNG is), but I like Janeway better than any of the other
>> captains.
>> Not because she's a woman, either.
>
> Because she's criminally incompetent?
In your opinion.
>>
>> > Expressing said opinion
>> >> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>> >
>> > No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
>> > best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
>> >>
>>
>> See above.
>>
>> >> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't
>> >> be
>> >> any
>> >> good without him.
>> >
>> > I haven't, but he's right.
>>
>> I respectfully disagree. He's not what defines Trek, despite his own
>> delusions.
>> >>
>> >> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
>> >>
>> >> :-P
>> >>
>> >> Natalie
>> >
>>
>> Guess you can't argue with that part, huh?
>
> Why should it?
>
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>> Natalie
Right - you shouldn't.
Natalie
Alric Knebel
Evidently STAR TREK (TOS) is his idée fixe. Is he a shit-for-brains or
what. Well, he's wrong. I can say that because the show is just
better. The acting is better, the costumes, the set designs. If anyone
liked TOS, I don't see what's not to like about the other shows.
Anyway, thank you for saying that. I don't think you'll reach that
little brain of his encased in that cast-iron shell. It's a teenager's
brain anyway, a man emotionally and intellectually stunted (check out
some of his OTHER opinions), probably still masturbating to that sickbay
nurse -- whatever her name was -- and the only changed after all these
years is the box of Kleenex beside his bed.
What a shithead.
Alric Knebel
> In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Anim8rFSK"
>>
>>>"Mac Breck" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>>
>>>><thud>
>>>
>>>Don't thud the troll.
>>>
>>
>>Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>
>
> Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> that.
Ain't you a piece of work. You CAN believe it's the best Star Trek --
if you weren't obsessed with the original. TOS had MILITARY women in
MINISKIRTS. How puerile is that. Now, I know pussified geeks like
yourself want to defend that sexist nonsense and write it off as a sign
of the times. But 2001: A SPACE ODYSSEY came out around the same time,
with women in it, and they were dressed sensibly. It was a show
respected at the time mostly by teen-aged boys. The future incarnations
in the films were better, and the series following it nearly two decades
later were more evolved in their sense of realism. Yes, VOYAGER can be
seen as better. And I do.
>>Expressing said opinion
>>disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>
> No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
You must live in a very sensitive world, to emphasize again and again
how outrageous you think what I said was. It wasn't. It was a very
sensible opinion. You need to get grip. A lot of those old shows were
quite lame. It doesn't hurt to like them. Hell, I've bought three
seasons of THE WILD WILD WEST, and I'm here to tell ya, it ain't as good
as I remembered, but I like it anyway. So, you freaking pimple, it's a
TV show from when you were some pimple-faced tweeb jacking off to the
girls in the miniskirts. You want to know the BEST sci-fi from that
time? THE OUTER LIMITS. They were serious and wrote to appeal to
grownups.
>>For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be any
>>good without him.
>
> I haven't, but he's right.
No, you dumbass, you're wrong. How the hell can you say such stupid
things with such authority. Your emotional growth must be severely
stunted.
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
>WickeddollŽ wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK"
>>
>>>"Mac Breck" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>>
>>>><thud>
>>>
>>>Don't thud the troll.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though. Expressing said opinion
>> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>>
>> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be any
>> good without him.
>>
>> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
>
>Evidently STAR TREK (TOS) is his idée fixe. Is he a shit-for-brains or
>what. Well, he's wrong. I can say that because the show is just
>better. The acting is better, the costumes, the set designs. If anyone
>liked TOS, I don't see what's not to like about the other shows.
No..no. The acting is not better. Sorry. Even if you don't like
Shatner, Nimoy is outstanding all the way through. Doohan actually
comes off as someone who was in the service because...well, he was.
Don't think I'm bagging on the Voyager actors though. They do fine
with what they have, but they're ridiculously hamstrung by the writers
and directors. (The absurd writing about Indians, relating to Chakotay
is beyond offensive)* And the episodes are shorter, so they have less
to work with.
As for set design, I guess you're right, but they keep the sets so
damn dark! And too many caves. Always reusing the caves. The
Federation jumpsuits arn't my favorites. Makes everyones waistline
look weird and pulled up. I much preferred the jump to the costumes
used in FIRST CONTACT. Voyager didn't make the jump to that costume of
course cause they were in the Delta Quadrant.
The TOS stories are certainly better because they're written by real
Science Fiction writers and not television hacks with Berman and Braga
standing over their shoulders.
>
>Anyway, thank you for saying that. I don't think you'll reach that
>little brain of his encased in that cast-iron shell. It's a teenager's
>brain anyway, a man emotionally and intellectually stunted (check out
>some of his OTHER opinions), probably still masturbating to that sickbay
>nurse -- whatever her name was -- and the only changed after all these
>years is the box of Kleenex beside his bed.
>
>What a shithead.
Now who's pissed off over a difference of opinions. And no one ever
jacked off over Nurse Chapel. No one.
*As seen in the Pilot:
PARIS: You're Indian arn't you? Can't you turn into a bird and fly out
of here or something?
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
>Anim8rFSK wrote:
I guess you're not counting Twilight Zone as Sci-Fi?....Outer Limits
had too many 'monster of the week' eps. But overall it was a good
show.
Twilight Zone
TOS
Outer Limits
Wild Wild West
Time Tunnel
Land of the Giants
Lost in Space
Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea
Did I forget any?
Anim8rFAK
> Alric Knebel <al...@cableone.net> writes:
>>are, too. Shatner dissing it will only make it look better, because the
>>original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from what
>>little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better. (My cable provider
>
> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as I am.
Yeah, we orginal fans are sickos for it, ain't we? Like most people who
have never grown up, time just fucken froze for us. Our brains are about
the size of the head of my dick.
What do you think of Dr. Who?
Hey, you want to share some geek humor.
"Doctor WHO?"
"That's what I'm asking YOU, Doctor WHO?"
Who's on first? Get it? LOL!
We TOS fans. We are so cool.
--
Star Trek TOS:
No shit, no shat*.
Stardate: 5/15/2008 3:11:36 PM
_________
*A past tense and a past participle of shit.
Anim8rFAK
> In article <4uadnSuc8at1w7HV...@supernews.com>,
> "Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>
>>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>
>> <thud>
>
> Don't thud the troll.
A troll. You're a fucking troll, you shit-for-brains cocksucker. Just
because someone disagrees with you, you call them a troll. You fucking
troll. People woudl do themselves a favor to killfile you. You're a
simple-minded fuck to start with, and you've got the silliest opinions
about the silliest things. And you really get in those opinions, too.
You fuckface.
--
Star Trek TOS:
No shit, no shat*.
Stardate: 5/15/2008 3:15:29 PM
Anim8rFAK
> No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
You fuckfaced pussy. There's nothing particularly outrageous about saying
a MODERN show with MODERN production values and sensibilities is beter than
some old show with some hammy actor in the lead. Hey, I watched it back
then. But it was BACK THEN. Grow up, shit-for-brains, and stop insulting
people because you think you're so cool. You're opinions are SHIT.
--
Star Trek TOS:
No shit, no shat*.
Stardate: 5/15/2008 3:17:39 PM
Anim8rFAK
> "Anim8rFSK" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
> news:ANIM8Rfsk-72EC0...@news.west.cox.net...
>> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
>> gonna be unwatchable garbage.
>>
>> --
>> Star Trek 09:
>>
>> No Shat, No Show.
>
> Please, please, do not refer to William Shatner as "shat". Shat is the past
> tense of shit. When you call him "shat", you're saying he is an old shit.
I see I wasn't the only one to notice. Or did *I* draw your attention to
it? Check out my sexy signature.
--
Star Trek TOS:
No shit, no shat*.
Stardate: 5/15/2008 3:20:22 PM
Anim8rFAK
> In article
> <eb18c74b-4d82-4419...@d1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> record hunter <record...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 14, 5:07 pm, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
>>> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
>>> gonna be unwatchable garbage.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Star Trek 09:
>>>
>>> No Shat, No Show.
>>
>> Which castmates? On Boston Legal?
>
> He said nothing about Trek that we hadn't heard before. Just that when
> he was writing his first book he found out Nichelle claimed they all
> hated him, and they were young, and admitted to any problems with Nimoy
> being The Shat's own fault for being jealous of the attention Nimoy was
> getting but that's they're best friends now. There wasn't even any
> mention of a movie being made which some might consider ominous.
>
> He said everybody on Boston Legal is great and chalked it up to them
> being mature.
>
> He told a story about being in the play The World of Susie Wong, and how
> there's a scene where an actor claps him on the back, and the guy took
> to clapping him really hard when the audience didn't laugh loud enough.
> He told the guy to stop and he wouldn't; he talked to all the people
> upstream and they refused to do anything; so he told the actor that if
> he did it again he was gonna belt him one, and next time the guy did it,
> POW!
>
> Mostly he was just plugging his book.
Will his book have any nude pictures of him?
--
Star Trek TOS:
No shit, no shat*.
Stardate: 5/15/2008 3:24:31 PM
PV
>> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
>
>Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as I am.
Huh? What does that even mean? Why am I talking to a stalker? I dunno, but
I'll try to answer you as if you actually had a brain that wasn't impacted
fecal matter.
Only a complete nut thinks that Voyager is the best trek series [*]. It
was just a plain GOOFY show, with maybe 6 or so decent episodes a season,
and two main characters that were made out of cardboard. It's an
occasionally entertainly bad show, but it's still a bad show. The high bar
for script, casting, and production quality for the trek universe was DS9,
and it was all downhill after that. Vertigo-inducingly so. TNG almost
entirely fails on repeat watching years later, something that for all it's
cheesiness TOS manages to pull off in spades. It's still fun to watch
40 years later. Only a complete shit-for-brains would write off TOS because
of freaking miniskirts. The costume designer for TOS was a little strange,
but also more than a little brilliant.
>Yeah, we orginal fans are sickos for it, ain't we? Like most people who
>have never grown up, time just fucken froze for us. Our brains are about
>the size of the head of my dick.
I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. And I don't have a
microscope handy to confirm your measurements.
>What do you think of Dr. Who?
Love it to death in all incarnations, and have been watching it in one form
or another for 30 years. What's your point?
>We TOS fans. We are so cool.
You are completely out of your freaking mind. Please seek help. *
[*] I have to say, I have a much softer place in my heart for Voyager
after recently watching through it for the first time since it
originally aired. It sucked, but less so than I remember.
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Anim8rFSK"
> >> > "WickeddollŽ"
> >> >> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And
> >> >> >> > from
> >> >> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> <thud>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Don't thud the troll.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
> >> >
> >> > Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> >> > that.
> >> >
> >> No, it's a difference of opinion. I've known plenty of others who think
> >> it's the best too.
> >
> > No one believes that; no one could. They're kidding you.
>
> No, they weren't. You don't like it - fine, but don't insult those who
> disagree with you.
Anyone that likes Voyager is self insulting.
> Kate Mulgrew remains among the most popular Trek actors
> at conventions (standing room only for any part of it she does).
Liking Mulgrew and liking Janeway are two different things.
Part of
> the folks present are completists, who want to encounter every one of the
> captains, whether they like them or not, but you'll never convince me that's
> the only type who would pack that huge ballroom.
> >
> > I personally don't think it's the best Trek (I think
> >> overall, TNG is), but I like Janeway better than any of the other
> >> captains.
> >> Not because she's a woman, either.
> >
> > Because she's criminally incompetent?
>
> In your opinion.
No, objectively.
> >>
> >> > Expressing said opinion
> >> >> disrespectfully is the determining factor.
> >> >
> >> > No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> >> > best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
> >> >>
> >>
> >> See above.
> >>
> >> >> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't
> >> >> be
> >> >> any
> >> >> good without him.
> >> >
> >> > I haven't, but he's right.
> >>
> >> I respectfully disagree. He's not what defines Trek, despite his own
> >> delusions.
> >> >>
> >> >> He may be getting older, but his ego hasn't deteriorated a bit.
> >> >>
> >> >> :-P
> >> >>
> >> >> Natalie
> >> >
> >>
> >> Guess you can't argue with that part, huh?
> >
> > Why should it?
> >
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >> Natalie
>
> Right - you shouldn't.
He's a talented man. No reason his ego should deteriorate.
WickeddollŽ
I don't dislike the guy at all (at least not anymore). He's matured, and so
have I. I like him quite a bit now.
Having said that, I think TOS by far had the best acting. The fact that it
holds up after all these years, despite the cheesy special effects, is very
telling.
Natalie
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
*PLONK*
--
Frank in Seattle
____
Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Anim8rFSK
"Magnus, Robot Fighter" <M...@Key.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 15 May 2008 11:00:56 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> > "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Anim8rFSK"
> >> > "Mac Breck" wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> >> >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >> >>
> >> >> <thud>
> >> >
> >> > Don't thud the troll.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
> >
> >Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> >that.
> >
>
> If one watched a few Voyager episodes (say some of Ryan's good
> Borg-centric ones) without understanding the fatal underpinnings* of
> the show, it could come off as interesting, or good.
Fair point. You have to know nothing about Trek, and nothing about the
rest of the series, 'cause none of it hangs together.
Which is why I maintain it can't be anybody's favorite Trek, unless they
didn't bother with the rest of Voyager or the rest of Trek.
>
> *Reset buttons
> Almost no character development
> Typical Federation pansiness
> gimmicky characters
> Boring hard-headed aliens with ridges on their noses
> A-B/C storylines in one episode.
> Like TNG, the Doctor/Captain relationship is sabotaged byt the
> writers. In VOY, when the Doctor tries to stand up to the Captain SHE
> TURNS HIM OFF.
If only Picard had done that
>
> Some good episodes:
>
> The first Q appearance
> "DRONE"
> The first Brad Dourif appearance
>
> And I thought the hand-wrangling on the internet over TUVIX was
> ridiculous
argh -- see? You're bringing back the pain.
>
> But the complete lack of subtle acting in all the modern series is
> astonishing. DS9 at least had enough Sci-Fi/intrigue and good
> recurring guest actors to make up for it. For example, I'm watching
> the TOS MIRROR,MIRROR right now and the entire episode is littered
> with nice subtle, brilliant moments that are almost never seen in TNG
> and VOY.
you never get anything like "sorry, neither" in Trek Lite.
Anim8rFSK
"Magnus, Robot Fighter" <M...@Key.com> wrote:
Where he sang 'my way' to Lucas? That was amazing!
Anim8rFSK
Led4Aces
> Talking about why his castmates hated him, and why the new movie is
> gonna be unwatchable garbage.
>
Yes but who can watch more than 30 seconds of the retarded delusional
blowhard O'Reilly?
Led4Aces
> In article <g0h9it.i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
>
> "Wickeddoll®" <wickeddollnofeckingspam1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Anim8rFSK"
> > > "Mac Breck" wrote:
>
> > >> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
> > >> > the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> > >> > what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>
> > >> <thud>
>
> > > Don't thud the troll.
>
> > Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>
> that.
And yet I've met perfectly sane people who believe just that. I don't
agree with them but no matter. Perhaps some people have their own
definition of 'nobody'.
>
> Expressing said opinion
>
> > disrespectfully is the determining factor.
>
> No ma'am. You can clearly say outrageous things, like Voyager is the
> best Trek, simply to troll, with level of respect not mattering at all.
>
>
>
> > For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be any
> > good without him.
>
> I haven't, but he's right.
Said about a film, that as far as I know, hasn't finished principal
photography. It's absurd to think they can't make a good film without
Shatner, they made a real shitty one with him (Generations). There is
no magic tonic that Shatner has that would make a Trek film good just
because he is in it.
ToolPackinMama
> ToolPackinMama wrote:
>> Did any of you actually watch O'Reilly when Shatner was on?
>
> I know I didn't. Not because I wouldn't have watched him, but The
> O'Reilly Factor isn't my cup of tea.
I never watch O'Reilly I don't care who is on.
Mac Breck
> ANIM...@aol.com writes:
>>> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
>>
>> Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as
>> I am.
>
> Huh? What does that even mean? Why am I talking to a stalker? I
> dunno, but I'll try to answer you as if you actually had a brain that
> wasn't impacted fecal matter.
>
> Only a complete nut thinks that Voyager is the best trek series [*].
> It was just a plain GOOFY show, with maybe 6 or so decent episodes a
> season,
You're being generous. It's six episodes for the complete series.
> and two main characters that were made out of cardboard. It's
> an occasionally entertainly bad show, but it's still a bad show. The
> high bar for script, casting, and production quality for the trek
> universe was DS9,
Personally, I didn't care for DS9. Some of the characters were so
damned annoying I wanted to reach through the TV and throttle 'em.
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"The Dresden Files" (2007)
Harry Dresden: [re. Bianca] What is it about bad girls? They lie,
cheat, won't suck your blood even when you beg them to, and for some
reason, no matter how badly they treat us, we still can't walk away.
Mac Breck
> Mac Breck wrote:
>
>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>
>>
>>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>
>>
>> <thud>
>
> You don't think VOYAGER is any good.
IMHO, Voyager had about six tolerable episodes, the two part premiere,
the two part finale, and Scorpion 1 & 2 inbetween (tolerable for the
special effects and seeing some Borg ass being kicked.).
> I really liked the whole look of it.
I couldn't stand Janeway, the Maquis, all the bad hair day Kazon, the
reset button, the salamanders, etc. Overall, I'd rank it below
Enterprise.
Michael O'Connor
Shatner interview, and during the interview his TV producers were
wanting him to ask Shatner about Star Trek but apparently Beck didn't
ask a single Star Trek question. Shatner apparently talked mainly
about his political beliefs for an hour; they played a small snippet
of the interview on Beck's TV show Wednesday and Shatner was talking
about how most of our problems were due to overpopulation, and that
overpopulation would be the downfall of mankind.
WickeddollŽ
> PV wrote:
writes:
>>>> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
>>>
>>> Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as
>>> I am.
>>
>> Huh? What does that even mean? Why am I talking to a stalker? I
>> dunno, but I'll try to answer you as if you actually had a brain that
>> wasn't impacted fecal matter.
>>
>> Only a complete nut thinks that Voyager is the best trek series [*].
>> It was just a plain GOOFY show, with maybe 6 or so decent episodes a
>> season,
>
> You're being generous. It's six episodes for the complete series.
>
there were several eps I really liked, so *shrug*
>
>> and two main characters that were made out of cardboard. It's
>> an occasionally entertainly bad show, but it's still a bad show. The
>> high bar for script, casting, and production quality for the trek
>> universe was DS9,
>
> Personally, I didn't care for DS9. Some of the characters were so
> damned annoying I wanted to reach through the TV and throttle 'em.
>
>
> --
> Mac Breck (KoshN)
DS9 was a little too much like a soap opera, for my taste, but had some
excellent episodes, such as "Duet" - lots of people loved "In The Pale
Moonlight" but that one bored me overall, despite the powerful message.
Natalie
Magnus, Robot Fighter
And "The Visitor", possibly the best ST episode ever.
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Alric Knebel wrote:
> > Mac Breck wrote:
> >
> >> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> >>> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >>
> >>
> >> <thud>
> >
> > You don't think VOYAGER is any good.
>
> IMHO, Voyager had about six tolerable episodes, the two part premiere
The two part premiere might have worked had there either right then or
at the end been SOME sort of pay off for it, where they executed Janeway
for getting them trapped and getting so many killed.
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Mac Breck" ...
> > PV wrote:
> writes:
> >>>> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
> >>>
> >>> Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as
> >>> I am.
> >>
> >> Huh? What does that even mean? Why am I talking to a stalker? I
> >> dunno, but I'll try to answer you as if you actually had a brain that
> >> wasn't impacted fecal matter.
> >>
> >> Only a complete nut thinks that Voyager is the best trek series [*].
> >> It was just a plain GOOFY show, with maybe 6 or so decent episodes a
> >> season,
> >
> > You're being generous. It's six episodes for the complete series.
> >
> It had some real stinkers (Fair Haven and Spirit Folk, anyone? *hork*), but
> there were several eps I really liked, so *shrug*
'several' being 'six'? :)
> >
> >> and two main characters that were made out of cardboard. It's
> >> an occasionally entertainly bad show, but it's still a bad show. The
> >> high bar for script, casting, and production quality for the trek
> >> universe was DS9,
> >
> > Personally, I didn't care for DS9. Some of the characters were so
> > damned annoying I wanted to reach through the TV and throttle 'em.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mac Breck (KoshN)
>
> DS9 was a little too much like a soap opera, for my taste, but had some
> excellent episodes, such as "Duet" - lots of people loved "In The Pale
> Moonlight" but that one bored me overall, despite the powerful message.
Two words: "The Visitor"
James Squire
> In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Anim8rFSK"
>>>
>>>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>>> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>> <thud>
>>>
>> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>
> Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> that.
Oh, C'mon. I hated Voyager, too, but this statement is empirical nonsense.
By that logic, I could with a clear conscience assert that anyone who
says Married With Children was a good show is trolling. Same goes for
"Survivor" (oh hell, might as well say any reality show) or "Jerry
Springer."
--
Jim Squire
This Blog Has No Title, Just Words and Links
http://jamessquire.blogspot.com/
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Americans make enough low density polyethylene (LDPE) plastic every year
to shrink-wrap the state of Texas.
Michael Bowker
> ANIM...@aol.com writes:
>>> Let the pointing and the laughing commence! *
>> Well, gosh damn. Here's ANOTHER weenie, and he's as big a weenie as I am.
>
> Huh? What does that even mean? Why am I talking to a stalker? I dunno, but
> I'll try to answer you as if you actually had a brain that wasn't impacted
> fecal matter.
>
> Only a complete nut thinks that Voyager is the best trek series [*]. It
> was just a plain GOOFY show, with maybe 6 or so decent episodes a season,
> and two main characters that were made out of cardboard. It's an
> occasionally entertainly bad show, but it's still a bad show. The high bar
> for script, casting, and production quality for the trek universe was DS9,
> and it was all downhill after that. Vertigo-inducingly so. TNG almost
> entirely fails on repeat watching years later, something that for all it's
> cheesiness TOS manages to pull off in spades. It's still fun to watch
> 40 years later. Only a complete shit-for-brains would write off TOS because
> of freaking miniskirts. The costume designer for TOS was a little strange,
> but also more than a little brilliant.
Oh, come on. I like miniskirts on women. But everything else ya pretty
much. But the two strap costumes (the android girl) were the best and
the Kelvan girl, wow.
James Squire
> In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> good without him.
>
> I haven't, but he's right.
Why? I've seen at least one Shatner-less Trek movie I thoroughly
enjoyed. At this point, if anything, I'm having trouble understanding
why Nimoy has to be in it, much less Shatner.
James Squire
> In article <g0hf3p...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> I personally don't think it's the best Trek (I think
>> overall, TNG is), but I like Janeway better than any of the other captains.
>> Not because she's a woman, either.
>
> Because she's criminally incompetent?
Excuse me?
James Squire
> Anyone that likes Voyager is self insulting.
> No, objectively.
I get it now, you're just being an ass.
WickeddollŽ
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
>,
>> "WickeddollŽ" wrote:
>>> For the record, I personally witnessed Shatner saying the movie can't be
>>> any good without him.
>>
>> I haven't, but he's right.
>
> Why? I've seen at least one Shatner-less Trek movie I thoroughly enjoyed.
> At this point, if anything, I'm having trouble understanding why Nimoy has
> to be in it, much less Shatner.
> --
> Jim Squire
Maybe Spock is reminiscing with someone.
Natalie
GeneK
>> Because she's criminally incompetent?
>
> Excuse me?
Janeway started out with a huge violation of the PD
when she prevented the Kazon from obtaining the
Caretaker's technology and wiping out the Ocampa
as would have happened had Voyager not been taken,
and it was all downhill from there. Most of it was really
not all her fault; to paraphrase the cartoon, Janeway
wasn't really bad, she was just written that way. Trek
captains routinely did things that pushed or outright
violated what was supposed to be the proper behavior
for Starfleet captains, but except for Janeway they all
had an out ("Captain's log, Starfleet Command has
ordered us to..."). The Voyager format isolated its
captain from Starfleet for most of the series, so there
was nobody to blame for repeatedly putting the ship
and its crew in unnecessary peril and butting itself
into places and events it had no business being
except for the bad decisions of the captain.
GeneK
Ian Galbraith
She is the archetypal example of a character being meant to be regarded
as a hero but actually being written as an incompetent, which makes the
end of the series all the more laughable. I can't think of another series
with an example so egregious.
--
"A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion,
butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance
accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give
orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyse a new problem,
pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently,
die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." - Robert Heinlein
Alric Knebel
> "Alric Knebel" ...
Do you know him personally? Because he sounds incredibly immature to
me. Calling someone a troll because they don't think TOS is the best?
Jesus, please.
> Having said that, I think TOS by far had the best acting. The fact that it
> holds up after all these years, despite the cheesy special effects, is very
> telling.
The best acting? You've got to be kidding. And whether it holds up or
not is a matter of opinion.
--
_________________
Alric Knebel
http://www.ironeyefortress.com/C-SPAN_loon.html
http://www.ironeyefortress.com
Alric Knebel
> In article <g0hi3c...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Anim8rFSK"
>>
>>>>>"WickeddollŽ"
>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Mac Breck" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And
>>>>>>>>>from
>>>>>>>>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><thud>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Don't thud the troll.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
>>>>>
>>>>>Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
>>>>>that.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No, it's a difference of opinion. I've known plenty of others who think
>>>>it's the best too.
>>>
>>>No one believes that; no one could. They're kidding you.
>>
>>No, they weren't. You don't like it - fine, but don't insult those who
>>disagree with you.
>
>
> Anyone that likes Voyager is self insulting.
What a troll.
Alric Knebel
> Alric Knebel wrote:
>
>>Mac Breck wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
>>>>what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>
>>>
>>><thud>
>>
>>You don't think VOYAGER is any good.
>
>
> IMHO, Voyager had about six tolerable episodes, the two part premiere,
> the two part finale, and Scorpion 1 & 2 inbetween (tolerable for the
> special effects and seeing some Borg ass being kicked.).
>
>
>
>>I really liked the whole look of it.
>
>
> I couldn't stand Janeway, the Maquis, all the bad hair day Kazon, the
> reset button, the salamanders, etc. Overall, I'd rank it below
> Enterprise.
I absolutely loved ENTERPRISE. Loved it. I made a mistake when I said
I liked TNG best. The problem I had with ENTERPRISE was, it would come
on intermittently here.
And I didn't like the finale.
Anim8rFSK
"Magnus, Robot Fighter" <M...@Key.com> wrote:
Or, what he said.
Anim8rFSK
James Squire <James...@charter.net> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <g0h9i...@news.evilcabal.org>,
> > "WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Anim8rFSK"
> >>> "Mac Breck" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Alric Knebel wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And from
> >>>>> what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
> >>>> <thud>
> >>> Don't thud the troll.
> >>>
> >> Having a differing opinion isn't trolling, though.
> >
> > Saying Voyager is the best Trek is trolling. Nobody actually believes
> > that.
>
> Oh, C'mon. I hated Voyager, too, but this statement is empirical nonsense.
Alric doesn't believe it. He was trolling in his initial statement, and
it's worked out beautifully; he's got peple defending Voyager, and is
sitting back and laughing hysterically.
He will now insist he really really meant it.
Anim8rFSK
Michael Bowker <mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
> But the two strap costumes (the android girl) were the best
I think it was more the filling than the costume, but, yeah.
Anim8rFSK
"GeneK" <gene@genek_hates_spammers.com> wrote:
> "James Squire" <James...@charter.net> wrote...
> >> Because she's criminally incompetent?
> >
> > Excuse me?
>
> Janeway started out with a huge violation of the PD
> when she prevented the Kazon from obtaining the
> Caretaker's technology and wiping out the Ocampa
> as would have happened had Voyager not been taken,
> and it was all downhill from there. Most of it was really
> not all her fault; to paraphrase the cartoon, Janeway
> wasn't really bad, she was just written that way. Trek
Let's not forget she got them all stranded when she blew up the array.
How many ways out of that were there? A bomb with a timer? A shuttle?
A suicide mission for one? She got hundreds of her crew killed through
sheer incompetence (possibly thousands, given that most of them died
several times).
Hell, in the finale she disobeyed orders and murdered everyone in the
entire Federation.
> captains routinely did things that pushed or outright
> violated what was supposed to be the proper behavior
> for Starfleet captains, but except for Janeway they all
> had an out ("Captain's log, Starfleet Command has
> ordered us to..."). The Voyager format isolated its
> captain from Starfleet for most of the series, so there
> was nobody to blame for repeatedly putting the ship
> and its crew in unnecessary peril and butting itself
> into places and events it had no business being
> except for the bad decisions of the captain.
>
> GeneK
--
Anim8rFSK
Ian Galbraith <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
Excellent point.
Magnus, Robot Fighter
wrote:
I stopped when he said ENTERPRISE was the best series.
Anim8rFSK
"Magnus, Robot Fighter" <M...@Key.com> wrote:
I like where his favorite is TNG, but VOY is better.
Troooooooooooooollling.
And we're still feeding him. :)
WickeddollŽ
"Alric Knebel"
Shatner or this poster? Either way, no I don't know him personally.
>Calling someone a troll because they don't think TOS is the best? Jesus,
>please.
>
Agree with ya there - how bizarre.
>> Having said that, I think TOS by far had the best acting. The fact that
>> it holds up after all these years, despite the cheesy special effects, is
>> very telling.
>
> The best acting? You've got to be kidding. And whether it holds up or
> not is a matter of opinion.
>
>
> --
> _________________
> Alric Knebel
To each their own. I still think TOS had the best actors.
Natalie
levi
>
> Shatner is a very vain man, and he hates the idea that someone would
> take a concept he starred in and go on without him. �It does make him
> look petty and jealous. �He's old. �It's the cycle of life. �The next
> generation moves on without and leaves the previous generation to die.
> I'm looking forward to the movie, and I'm sure a lot of other people
> are, too. �Shatner dissing it will only make it look better, because the
> original series was not at all my favorite. �TNG was. �And from what
> little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better. �(My cable provider
> didn't have carry the channel, and now Spike has it in reruns.)
Well in this case, he's right. He certainly should have been in the
new movie with Nimoy. "But he's dead!"
So fn what, ignore it. Generations was a terrible movie and if they
acted as if it had never been made and Kirk had never been killed I
wouldn't give two shits.
Mac Breck
> In article <h4idndjafPjOZrHV...@posted.rawbandwidth>,
> Michael Bowker <mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
>
>> But the two strap costumes (the android girl) were the best
>
> I think it was more the filling than the costume, but, yeah.
Remember the girl and the gown Apollo put her in, from "Who Mourns for
Adonis?"
--
Mac Breck (KoshN)
-------------------------------
"The Dresden Files" (2007)
Harry Dresden: [re. Bianca] What is it about bad girls? They lie,
cheat, won't suck your blood even when you beg them to, and for some
reason, no matter how badly they treat us, we still can't walk away.
Mac Breck
> Mac Breck wrote:
>
>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>
>>> Mac Breck wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Alric Knebel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> the original series was not at all my favorite. TNG was. And
>>>>> from what little I've seen of VOYAGER, it's even better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <thud>
>>>
>>> You don't think VOYAGER is any good.
>>
>>
>> IMHO, Voyager had about six tolerable episodes, the two part
>> premiere, the two part finale, and Scorpion 1 & 2 inbetween
>> (tolerable for the special effects and seeing some Borg ass being
>> kicked.).
>>
>>
>>
>>> I really liked the whole look of it.
>>
>>
>> I couldn't stand Janeway, the Maquis, all the bad hair day Kazon, the
>> reset button, the salamanders, etc. Overall, I'd rank it below
>> Enterprise.
>
> I absolutely loved ENTERPRISE. Loved it.
Oooh boy, is that an avalanche I hear starting? No, I don't think
they'll take the bait.
IOW, that's an EXTREMELY unpopular thing to say around here.
> I made a mistake when I
> said I liked TNG best. The problem I had with ENTERPRISE was, it
> would come on intermittently here.
>
> And I didn't like the finale.
The ENTERPRISE Season 3 and Season 4/Series finales stunk. I was amazed
at how well Coto recovered from the B&B Season 3 finale.
PV
>In article <h4idndjafPjOZrHV...@posted.rawbandwidth>,
> Michael Bowker <mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
>
>> But the two strap costumes (the android girl) were the best
>
>I think it was more the filling than the costume, but, yeah.
Lame horndogging of someone who is probably someone's grandma now aside,
there's no question that the costume department on TOS was full of mad
geniuses. They made some absolutely amazing costumes on a shoestring (and
perhaps sometimes OUT of shoestring), and they managed to hide the
constant fluctuations in Shatner's gut over the years quite well.
Why (besides the obvious reason) they picked miniskirts and high black boots
as a starship officer's uniform will remain one of the great puzzles of the
ages, but only a drooling idiot would dismiss the entire series based on
it. It's so pathetic that it's practically a guarantee that whoever says it
will never say anything worth listening to, ever, on any subject. *
--
* PV something like badgers--something like lizards--and something
like corkscrews.
PV
>Anim8rFSK wrote:
>> Anyone that likes Voyager is self insulting.
>> [snipped]
>> No, objectively.
>
>I get it now, you're just being an ass.
It's certainly possible. Fred fixates on a few things, and if the
conversation enters that territory, he's NEVER going to say anything worth
listening too. We all have this to some extent of course. *
PV
>Oooh boy, is that an avalanche I hear starting? No, I don't think
>they'll take the bait.
It's time to back away slowly from this Alric guy. He seems to have
developed a hard on for Fred, to the point of making a fake persona for
posting shit about him. Hint goober - changing from lines and signatures
doesn't fool anyone. *
Anim8rFSK
"WickeddollŽ" <wickeddollnof...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Alric Knebel"
Too bad nobody did anything of the sort. Alric's still trolling you,
quite succesfully.
>
> >> Having said that, I think TOS by far had the best acting. The fact that
> >> it holds up after all these years, despite the cheesy special effects, is
> >> very telling.
> >
> > The best acting? You've got to be kidding. And whether it holds up or
> > not is a matter of opinion.
> >
> >
> > --
> > _________________
> > Alric Knebel
>
> To each their own. I still think TOS had the best actors.
>
> Natalie
--
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anim8rFSK wrote:
> > In article <h4idndjafPjOZrHV...@posted.rawbandwidth>,
> > Michael Bowker <mi...@blueneptune.com> wrote:
> >
> >> But the two strap costumes (the android girl) were the best
> >
> > I think it was more the filling than the costume, but, yeah.
>
> Remember the girl and the gown Apollo put her in, from "Who Mourns for
> Adonis?"
Best Leslie Parrish ever looked. :)
Anim8rFSK
"Mac Breck" <macthe...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Actually that's not much of a trick. He had nowhere to go BUT up.
Mac Breck
Pulling up from THAT steep of a dive can be tough to do, like a P-38
experiencing compressability, the stick feels rooted in solid cement
(The J model dive flaps fixed that.). Give Coto credit. Nice recovery.