Paulie observations
RT
homerun reference...and there will be taps played at a funeral...now this is
an interesting observation...of course the grilling talked about could be in
reference to someone getting called in by the feds for a grilling...
Rob Jacobs
"Hitman of Las Vegas" <hitm...@goldust.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002 18:18:06 GMT, "Katsy" <Ka...@beentoodamnlong.hbo>
> wrote:
>
>
> >-Then at the end, when Paulie was once again sitting on his lovely
plastic
> >covered easy chair, he was watching TV and there was a baseball game on.
> >The final shot was the batter hitting a home run, and then the drum taps
> >started with Paulie again looking at Tony's eyes.
>
> The plastic would protect the chair from a mess, should something
> rotten happen to paulie.
>
>
Yeah, you never know when spontaneous diarrhea can strike...
Rob
AbbyNormal
Isn't that redundant? ;-)
Hitman of Las Vegas
Katsy
I really believe that Paulie is going to go this season, either by killing
Christopher and someone killing him in retaliation....or Christopher killing
Paulie. Something has *got* to go down between the two of them. Anyway,
these were a few things that I gathered up and maybe steve or bel or someone
could help decipher some of the hidden or not so hidden messages.
-First of all, right after Tony met with Johnny Sac there was a meeting at
the Bing. Everyone was sitting around but the focus was on Paulie, who was
ironically was standing beneath the exit sign. Hmmm...
-Then when Paulie was using the sweeper, the commercial on the TV was a
George Foreman grill ad. When the voiceover said, "when it's grilled to
perfection" the camera turned to the horse painting.
-Then Paulie was watching a boxing match. Two fighters getting "closer and
closer". (already two boxing references)
Dave
>Okay Dave, got your seatbelt on. ;)
*I* don't really dig Paulie... it's Shammie who would be devastated if anything
ever happened to him!
>I really believe that Paulie is going to go this season, either by killing
Christopher and someone killing him in retaliation....or Christopher killing
Paulie.
One can dream... :)
Phoenix
@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>,
Ka...@beentoodamnlong.hbo says...
> Okay Dave, got your seatbelt on. ;)) Just kidding.
>
> I really believe that Paulie is going to go this season, either by killing
> Christopher and someone killing him in retaliation....or Christopher killing
> Paulie. Something has *got* to go down between the two of them. Anyway,
> these were a few things that I gathered up and maybe steve or bel or someone
> could help decipher some of the hidden or not so hidden messages.
>
> -First of all, right after Tony met with Johnny Sac there was a meeting at
> the Bing. Everyone was sitting around but the focus was on Paulie, who was
> ironically was standing beneath the exit sign. Hmmm...
Nice catch! Could have something to do with
Paulie's nature, wants to be close to the exit
so he can run with the hit hits the fan.
Remember when Sil and Chris got arrested at
the funereal? Paulie was running and hiding.
>
> -Then when Paulie was using the sweeper, the commercial on the TV was a
> George Foreman grill ad. When the voiceover said, "when it's grilled to
> perfection" the camera turned to the horse painting.
Was Paulie suddenly became aware of who killed
Ralphie?
Did you see a ghost in the painting?
Is Paulie haunted by Tony's eye for taking the
painting? For collaborating with Sac? Will
he be grilled to perfection as well?
>
> -Then Paulie was watching a boxing match. Two fighters getting "closer and
> closer". (already two boxing references)
Another unconscious allusion to Ralphie and
Tony.
>
> -Then at the end, when Paulie was once again sitting on his lovely plastic
> covered easy chair, he was watching TV and there was a baseball game on.
> The final shot was the batter hitting a home run, and then the drum taps
> started with Paulie again looking at Tony's eyes.
Paulie wants a general in charge, not a
wealthy country gentlemen. Troops should go
to war, march to battle, live clean lives,
keep the barracks clean and sanitary (remember
that Paulie is the only character who spent
time in the military.)
Paulie is subconsciously (or imagistically in
this case) considering the benefits of an
overt war with concrete ranks and orders,
versus a covert war of private eyes and
informants.
He seems to have chosen the overt symbol of a
Napoleon.
bel
>
>
>
>
Hitman of Las Vegas
<xfspazc...@liamtoh.com> wrote:
>> The plastic would protect the chair from a mess, should something
>> rotten happen to paulie.
>
>Yeah, you never know when spontaneous diarrhea can strike...
>
>Rob
Rob,
I was thinking maybe a more violent end! :-)
Joe
Sopranos in the past three months, so I say this:
Do you remember the Russian that got away in the Pines? Don't you
think that, that little fumble will cost someone a life?
I think the missing Russian will surface by surprise, right at the end
of an episode, just as you think the show is over and your favorite
Sopranos star is still breathing. He will put either Paulie, or
Christopher's lights out.
I can see him now; he will have a big scar on his face, where Paulie
shot him as he ran through the Pines. They will show you his face for
a second or two so you can remember who he is, then POP, end of show,
credits run.
Joe massimj@hotmail-com
"Katsy" <Ka...@beentoodamnlong.hbo> wrote in message news:<y9aC9.2916$pc4....@newssvr16.news.prodigy.com>...
Maxed Out
My end's pretty violent when I have diarrhea...
Bill
lucretia
>
>The problem is, it's been sooo long since "Pine Barrens" aired, would viewers
>recognize him? I think I would, and it would be a good ending, certainly
>putting an end to the daily "What happened to the Russian" posts, but it's a
>risk.
>
In terms of the show, it hasn't been all that long. Pine Barrens was
only episode 37; last night was 49. It just seems longer because of
the wait.
lucretia
Katsy
"Dave" <raider...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> >From: "Katsy"
>
> >Okay Dave, got your seatbelt on. ;)
> *I* don't really dig Paulie... it's Shammie who would be devastated if
anything ever happened to him!
I have *never* liked Paulie either. (and I feel safe saying that since
Shammie is MIA. ) But my reference for you was that I know you don't dig
when I *dig* into the metaphors and such. :))
> >I really believe that Paulie is going to go this season, either by
killing Christopher and someone killing him in retaliation....or Christopher
killing Paulie.
> One can dream... :)
No doubt. Wing boy has gotta go.
CMK1996
>From: mas...@hotmail.com (Joe)
>Date: 11/18/2002 8:24 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <e9d3dd29.02111...@posting.google.com>
>
>I am new to this group, but I have watched every episode of the
>Sopranos in the past three months, so I say this:
>
>Do you remember the Russian that got away in the Pines? Don't you
>think that, that little fumble will cost someone a life?
>
>I think the missing Russian will surface by surprise, right at the end
>of an episode, just as you think the show is over and your favorite
>Sopranos star is still breathing. He will put either Paulie, or
>Christopher's lights out.
>
>I can see him now; he will have a big scar on his face, where Paulie
>shot him as he ran through the Pines. They will show you his face for
>a second or two so you can remember who he is, then POP, end of show,
>credits run.
>
The problem is, it's been sooo long since "Pine Barrens" aired, would viewers
CMK1996
>From: lucre...@notvalid.com (lucretia)
>Date: 11/18/2002 11:35 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3dd9c198...@news.earthlink.net>
actor's face. Paulie would recognize him, since it hasn't been that long in
Paulie's world, but how would we know who Paulie is recognizing? If you know
what I mean. The shock of, "Oh my God, that's Valery!" would instead be 100
posts of, "Who was that guy that showed up at Paulie's?" Then the whole next
season we'll still have posts that ask, "What ever happened to that Russian?"
KC
Crow T Robot
This season has taken place over a rather long period time though.
Early on Maedo was laying by the pool (late August?), now it is March
or so (baseball spring training, the race that takes place in mid
March etc).
They skipped over Thansgiving and Christmas altogether this year.
Crow T Robot
>Paulie wants a general in charge, not a
>wealthy country gentlemen. Troops should go
>to war, march to battle, live clean lives,
>keep the barracks clean and sanitary (remember
>that Paulie is the only character who spent
>time in the military.)
>
>Paulie is subconsciously (or imagistically in
>this case) considering the benefits of an
>overt war with concrete ranks and orders,
>versus a covert war of private eyes and
>informants.
Depending on your mindset, you can see signs of Paulie returning to
the fold as well.
First, I wonder about his tips to Johnny. He made a point of saying
this is off the record, but is he really that naive? Unlike the mole
joke passed along earnestly, the HUD tip was just in passing which
John picked up on. That John is using that info is clear to Paulie
now (T mentioned it at the meeting), so if he passes any more info
along, it is unambiguous that it is malicous.
With Ralph is gone, the primary cause of his discontent is removed and
'things can be like they were'. Last week when T told him he was
gonna visit his mom, Paulie got a look on his face like T just offered
him a lung (OTOH he gets that look easily). This week, there was nary
a sign of discontent:
- He'd be *honored* to hang a painting of the boss in his house
- Backing T up early on in the intervention
- Rather than sit quietly when Chris started in on T, Paulie piped up
quickly with 'hes da boss...".
It might be nothing, but it seemed like there was at least a partial
return to the fold going on. I dont see Paulie getting whacked FOR
slipping the info to Johnny. Its not like he ratted to the feds and
they go back a ways with lots of history to rely on.
The painting seems like a much more overt omen. There needs to be a
change at the top etc.
Almost for sure, with the HUD and Ralphie tension between NY and NJ,
Johnny will try to use Paulie in some way. Perhaps John will dangle
leadership of the NJ mob with the "full protection and backing" of NY
(read: puppet) if Tony is out of the way.
If Paulie plays along, he ends up dead. If he doesnt, maybe Johnny
does (and maybe either way). The wildcard in the previews looks to be
someone from NY, prolly Brainless The Second, who defects or appears
to defect.
This ep also seemed to resolve several of the weakest elements of T's
hold on power. Things might get darker before the dawn though. But
that is another discussion.
Phoenix
<7eljtug5250s0299g...@4ax.com>,
Crow T Robot <none> says...
> Phoenix <avian...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Paulie wants a general in charge, not a
> >wealthy country gentlemen. Troops should go
> >to war, march to battle, live clean lives,
> >keep the barracks clean and sanitary (remember
> >that Paulie is the only character who spent
> >time in the military.)
> >
> >Paulie is subconsciously (or imagistically in
> >this case) considering the benefits of an
> >overt war with concrete ranks and orders,
> >versus a covert war of private eyes and
> >informants.
>
> Depending on your mindset, you can see signs of Paulie returning to
> the fold as well.
>
> First, I wonder about his tips to Johnny. He made a point of saying
> this is off the record, but is he really that naive? Unlike the mole
> joke passed along earnestly, the HUD tip was just in passing which
> John picked up on. That John is using that info is clear to Paulie
> now (T mentioned it at the meeting), so if he passes any more info
> along, it is unambiguous that it is malicous.
Johnny Sac just let Paulie talk before. In
another wonderful Chase parallel, Sac became
Paulie's shrink, listening attentively to
hours of harangue for the right detail to
emerge.
How Paulie will react to knowing this now will
be interesting. Perhaps he'll offer to
personally eliminate Sac given his new found
loyalty to Tony.
>
>
> With Ralph is gone, the primary cause of his discontent is removed and
> 'things can be like they were'. Last week when T told him he was
> gonna visit his mom, Paulie got a look on his face like T just offered
> him a lung (OTOH he gets that look easily). This week, there was nary
> a sign of discontent:
> - He'd be *honored* to hang a painting of the boss in his house
> - Backing T up early on in the intervention
> - Rather than sit quietly when Chris started in on T, Paulie piped up
> quickly with 'hes da boss...".
>
> It might be nothing, but it seemed like there was at least a partial
> return to the fold going on.
Well, you've convinced me! Paulie has chosen
the overt path of loyalty to the general.
I hadn't noticed any of this, and you're right
on.
I dont see Paulie getting whacked FOR
> slipping the info to Johnny. Its not like he ratted to the feds and
> they go back a ways with lots of history to rely on.
Based on patterns, I wonder if Paulie will
even get caught. And if he is, then will Tony
utilize him in his war with Johnny Sac.
>
>
> The painting seems like a much more overt omen. There needs to be a
> change at the top etc.
>
> Almost for sure, with the HUD and Ralphie tension between NY and NJ,
> Johnny will try to use Paulie in some way. Perhaps John will dangle
> leadership of the NJ mob with the "full protection and backing" of NY
> (read: puppet) if Tony is out of the way.
>
> If Paulie plays along, he ends up dead. If he doesnt, maybe Johnny
> does (and maybe either way). The wildcard in the previews looks to be
> someone from NY, prolly Brainless The Second, who defects or appears
> to defect.
"That might not be a bad thing"
>
>
> This ep also seemed to resolve several of the weakest elements of T's
> hold on power. Things might get darker before the dawn though. But
> that is another discussion.
The Carmela situation isn't going to end
prettily.
And then there's next year,
bel
>
>
>
Crow T Robot
>In article
><7eljtug5250s0299g...@4ax.com>,
>Crow T Robot <none> says...
>> With Ralph is gone, the primary cause of his discontent is removed and
>> 'things can be like they were'. Last week when T told him he was
>> gonna visit his mom, Paulie got a look on his face like T just offered
>> him a lung (OTOH he gets that look easily). This week, there was nary
>> a sign of discontent:
>> - He'd be *honored* to hang a painting of the boss in his house
>> - Backing T up early on in the intervention
>> - Rather than sit quietly when Chris started in on T, Paulie piped up
>> quickly with 'hes da boss...".
>>
>> It might be nothing, but it seemed like there was at least a partial
>> return to the fold going on.
>
>
>Well, you've convinced me! Paulie has chosen
>the overt path of loyalty to the general.
>
>I hadn't noticed any of this, and you're right
>on.
I dunno. I am not totally sold on it, aside from grabbing the
painting some of it could be instinctual reaction. But if you are
looking for signs of a reconcilliation you can find them.
Whatever happens, Paulie seems well positioned to be pivotal .
>
>
> I dont see Paulie getting whacked FOR
>> slipping the info to Johnny. Its not like he ratted to the feds and
>> they go back a ways with lots of history to rely on.
>
>Based on patterns, I wonder if Paulie will
>even get caught. And if he is, then will Tony
>utilize him in his war with Johnny Sac.
Same here. Everyone expects him to be whacked, hence he wont. I dont
think the core cast can sustain another loss, so that leaves Johnny or
maybe Furio.
Given how long they take to develop characters bit by bit, there isnt
really that much time to introduce anyone new for next season unless
they are just a face, Maybe Raymond or Albert will step up. You'd
think they'd close out the Raymond the Rat thing before The End.
>>
>>
>> The painting seems like a much more overt omen. There needs to be a
>> change at the top etc.
>>
>> Almost for sure, with the HUD and Ralphie tension between NY and NJ,
>> Johnny will try to use Paulie in some way. Perhaps John will dangle
>> leadership of the NJ mob with the "full protection and backing" of NY
>> (read: puppet) if Tony is out of the way.
>>
>> If Paulie plays along, he ends up dead. If he doesnt, maybe Johnny
>> does (and maybe either way). The wildcard in the previews looks to be
>> someone from NY, prolly Brainless The Second, who defects or appears
>> to defect.
>
>"That might not be a bad thing"
>
>>
>>
>> This ep also seemed to resolve several of the weakest elements of T's
>> hold on power. Things might get darker before the dawn though. But
>> that is another discussion.
>
>The Carmela situation isn't going to end
>prettily.
>
>And then there's next year,
I sort of see a general up turn of things for T on the whole for a
while leading to the series finale. We've been on the downward slope
long enough.
lucretia
>>Subject: Re: Paulie observations
>>From: lucre...@notvalid.com (lucretia)
>>In terms of the show, it hasn't been all that long. Pine Barrens was
>>only episode 37; last night was 49. It just seems longer because of
>>the wait.
>>
>>
>>lucretia
>>
>Right, but that's my point. It's been quite a while since viewers have seen the
>actor's face. Paulie would recognize him, since it hasn't been that long in
>Paulie's world, but how would we know who Paulie is recognizing? If you know
>what I mean. The shock of, "Oh my God, that's Valery!" would instead be 100
>posts of, "Who was that guy that showed up at Paulie's?" Then the whole next
>season we'll still have posts that ask, "What ever happened to that Russian?"
True. Well, we'd get the 100 "who was that guy?" posts even if Valery
turned up again in episode 38. :/
Chase and Co. are known for not holding the viewer's hand, and leaving
it up to us to figure these things out. Time wise, for the characters,
it's been just over a year; and also, there are ways to help us a
little bit, that the writers are willing to use - such as
foreshadowing by repeatedly mentioning Russians over the course of the
last few episodes, and even explicitly bringing up that day in the
woods, shortly before his reappearance....
lucretia
>
>KC
