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The Sad Decline of Saturday Night Live

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Ubiquitous

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May 9, 2012, 5:00:20 AM5/9/12
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By John Fund
May 7, 2012 5:38 P.M. Comments
36It has had its hilarious streaks and its vacuous doldrums, but Saturday
Night Live is an American institution. While it has leaned left in its
comedy for most or perhaps all of its 37 years on NBC, SNL never gave you
the sense that it had tipped so far over as to lose all sense of
perspective.

For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an opening
sketch for last Saturday’s SNL was scrapped, apparently because it dug a
little too deep at President Obama.

If that’s true it shows just how far American comedy has become enervated
by having an African-American liberal hero in the White House. Comedians
have recovered somewhat from the humorous desert of 2009, when in the
aftermath of his election few dared to or wanted to take the new
president on. But clearly Obama continues to get a pass that few other
public figures do. Jimmy Kimmel, the late-night comedian who emceed the
White House Correspondents’ dinner last month, admitted to Reuters that,
“It’s hard to make fun of Obama in general because he’s a cool character.
Outside of his ears, there’s not a whole lot.”

Well, apparently Jim Downey, a veteran writer for all but five of SNL’s
37 seasons didn’t think so. His censored script showed Obama addressing
the nation after the first anniversary of Osama bin Laden’s death — and
doing what we all know he does best. Personalize any success he has had.

“I hope you had a safe and joyous first anniversary of his killing,”
begins comedian Fred Armisen, in portraying Obama.

“Unfortunately, I wasn’t able to be at home this year, as I had to fly to
Afghanistan, to remind President Karzai that, exactly one year ago, we
killed Osama bin Laden, and that the decision to do so was a gutsy one,”
the president continues. “And was mine.”

Not at all vicious. Just pointed and in line with much of the legitimate
criticism Team Obama got for hyping the anniversary and even implying
that Mitt Romney wouldn’t have ordered the raid that killed Osama.

Instead of airing the Downey script, SNL decided to run yet another
attack on Fox News. In this one, actors portraying the hosts of Fox and
Friends as clueless partisans bash Obama over his role in the raid and
even tell a tasteless joke with racial overtones to boot. In other words,
a predictable routine that touches every liberal erogenous zone when it
comes to their least favorite news source.

I’ve never met Jim Downey, the author of the scrapped script, but I can
only hope people who believe in equal-opportunity potshots rise to his
defense. Over the years, Downey has done wonderful sketches lampooning
presidential candidates Michael Dukakis and Al Gore, and he even singed
Barack Obama himself in the 2008 presidential primaries as the
beneficiary of lapdog media coverage. But he has also gone after many
other targets. For his trouble, former SNL head writer Adam McKay labeled
him as “right wing” in a Huffington Post article and even suggested his
anti-Obama skits were designed to favor Republicans, because he thought
Hillary Clinton would be easier for the Republicans to defeat in 2008.

Downey took umbrage at that, telling the New York Times he “probably
favored Obama over Clinton” in the primaries, and that he was a
registered Democrat who would definitely vote for Obama in the general
election. In March, he sized up the GOP primary field by telling the
Boston Globe that he thought Rick Santorum was funny because he always
acted like people were being unfair to him. As for Mitt Romney, Downey
referred to him as a “goof,” saying that “he just tries very hard to
sound like what a regular person is like and it’s not working.”

The story of his lost sketch means either that his SNL colleagues feel a
liberal taboo against mocking Obama in an election year has to be
enforced or their sense of humor is impaired. Either way, any thought
that SNL is an equal-opportunity political slasher is fast becoming,
well, a joke.


--
"If Barack Obama isn't careful, he will become the Jimmy Carter of the
21st century."



David Johnston

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May 9, 2012, 9:41:03 AM5/9/12
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On 5/9/2012 3:00 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> By John Fund
> May 7, 2012 5:38 P.M. Comments
> 36It has had its hilarious streaks and its vacuous doldrums, but Saturday
> Night Live is an American institution. While it has leaned left in its
> comedy for most or perhaps all of its 37 years on NBC, SNL never gave you
> the sense that it had tipped so far over as to lose all sense of
> perspective.
>
> For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an opening
> sketch for last Saturday’s SNL was scrapped, apparently because it dug a
> little too deep at President Obama.
>
> If that’s true

Now, hold on there. Isn't that a lot of conclusion to draw from an "If
that's true"?

Dano

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May 9, 2012, 11:42:48 AM5/9/12
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"David Johnston" wrote in message news:jods5d$98m$1...@dont-email.me...
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Maybe they thought it wasn't funny? Is THAT so hard to imagine?

Barry Margolin

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May 9, 2012, 12:23:42 PM5/9/12
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In article <joe39q$nje$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> "David Johnston" wrote in message news:jods5d$98m$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 5/9/2012 3:00 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > By John Fund
> > May 7, 2012 5:38 P.M. Comments
> > 36It has had its hilarious streaks and its vacuous doldrums, but Saturday
> > Night Live is an American institution. While it has leaned left in its
> > comedy for most or perhaps all of its 37 years on NBC, SNL never gave you
> > the sense that it had tipped so far over as to lose all sense of
> > perspective.
> >
> > For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an opening
> > sketch for last Saturday零 SNL was scrapped, apparently because it dug a
> > little too deep at President Obama.
> >
> > If that零 true
>
> Now, hold on there. Isn't that a lot of conclusion to draw from an "If
> that's true"?
>
> =====================================
>
> Maybe they thought it wasn't funny? Is THAT so hard to imagine?

If you're on the left, it's easy. If you're on the right, it's
unimaginable -- they must have scrapped it because they didn't want to
offend Obama.

--
Barry Margolin
Arlington, MA

Dano

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May 9, 2012, 12:49:09 PM5/9/12
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"Barry Margolin" wrote in message
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In article <joe39q$nje$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> "David Johnston" wrote in message news:jods5d$98m$1...@dont-email.me...
>
> On 5/9/2012 3:00 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > By John Fund
> > May 7, 2012 5:38 P.M. Comments
> > 36It has had its hilarious streaks and its vacuous doldrums, but
> > Saturday
> > Night Live is an American institution. While it has leaned left in its
> > comedy for most or perhaps all of its 37 years on NBC, SNL never gave
> > you
> > the sense that it had tipped so far over as to lose all sense of
> > perspective.
> >
> > For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an opening
> > sketch for last Saturday¹s SNL was scrapped, apparently because it dug a
> > little too deep at President Obama.
> >
> > If that¹s true
>
> Now, hold on there. Isn't that a lot of conclusion to draw from an "If
> that's true"?
>
> =====================================
>
> Maybe they thought it wasn't funny? Is THAT so hard to imagine?

If you're on the left, it's easy. If you're on the right, it's
unimaginable -- they must have scrapped it because they didn't want to
offend Obama.

============================================

Of course. Most righties have trouble with the whole notion of what defines
humor. Though I've seen a few who "get it". There is nothing funnier than
self-deprecating humor. Obama did a terrific job of that at the White House
Correspondents' dinner. To give credit...Bush always demonstrated that same
talent. So too did Reagan and others. But the ideological followers of
folks like Rush, Hannity and Coulter are always mean spirited and
cruel...but also lacking in a funny bone in general. There is plenty to
laugh about on both sides without the demonization and really...flat out
hatred (along with blatant lies), that oozes from many would be far right
"comedians". It's not funny when there isn't a shadow of truth
involved...even if exaggerated.


Barb May

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May 9, 2012, 1:02:40 PM5/9/12
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Not for a far right propagandist...
--
Barb


Barb May

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May 9, 2012, 1:02:05 PM5/9/12
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Ubiquitous wrote:
> By John Fund
> For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an
> opening sketch for last Saturday's SNL was scrapped, apparently
> because it dug a little too deep at President Obama.

Nope. Fund starts with a false premise and wildly extrapolates from
there.

Fund could have done a little research before writing this pack of lies,
but he should have already known the truth: Anyone who knows anything
about the history and making of SNL knows how the show is produced.
Every week more sketches are developed than can fit on the show and then
Lorne Michaels judges audience reaction at rehersal and makes cuts. If
Michaels truly believed the sketch "dug a little too deep at Obama" it
never would have made it past the initial pitch, much less gone all the
way to dress rehersal.

http://www.nypost.com/p/entertainment/tv/the_lost_obama_sketch_lK217KgscFzDMLwwfJhKfK?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=TV
""Obviously, I thought it was funny or I wouldn't have led dress
[rehearsal] with it," Lorne Michaels told The Post yesterday.

"But we were 27 minutes long" and something had to go, he said.

"It wasn't its politics," Michaels said. "It was about the comedy."

"The show's many things, but partisan it is not."

The author of the skit, longtime "SNL" writer Jim Downey, does not
believe it was cut for political reasons, he told the Web site Mediate.

"They just preferred the other piece," he said.



--
Barb


Barry Margolin

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May 9, 2012, 3:12:27 PM5/9/12
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In article <joe767$gg8$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> "Barry Margolin" wrote in message
> news:barmar-B71DE7....@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> In article <joe39q$nje$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > "David Johnston" wrote in message news:jods5d$98m$1...@dont-email.me...
> >
> > On 5/9/2012 3:00 AM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> > > By John Fund
> > > May 7, 2012 5:38 P.M. Comments
> > > 36It has had its hilarious streaks and its vacuous doldrums, but
> > > Saturday
> > > Night Live is an American institution. While it has leaned left in its
> > > comedy for most or perhaps all of its 37 years on NBC, SNL never gave
> > > you
> > > the sense that it had tipped so far over as to lose all sense of
> > > perspective.
> > >
> > > For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an opening
> > > sketch for last Saturday1s SNL was scrapped, apparently because it dug a
> > > little too deep at President Obama.
> > >
> > > If that1s true
> >
> > Now, hold on there. Isn't that a lot of conclusion to draw from an "If
> > that's true"?
> >
> > =====================================
> >
> > Maybe they thought it wasn't funny? Is THAT so hard to imagine?
>
> If you're on the left, it's easy. If you're on the right, it's
> unimaginable -- they must have scrapped it because they didn't want to
> offend Obama.
>
> ============================================
>
> Of course. Most righties have trouble with the whole notion of what defines
> humor.

That wasn't my point. What I meant was that pundits view SNL's actions
through spectacles biased by their politics. Right-wing pundits will
assume that a liberal program will favor Obama, so they would have cut
the sketch for this reason, rather than based on its humor, or even more
mundane reasons like running out of time in the program.

Adam H. Kerman

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May 9, 2012, 3:25:54 PM5/9/12
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Barb May <bar...@nonofyourbusinessx.tv> wrote:

>>By John Fund
>>For many of us that may have changed with the revelation that an
>>opening sketch for last Saturday's SNL was scrapped, apparently
>>because it dug a little too deep at President Obama.

>Nope. Fund starts with a false premise and wildly extrapolates from
>there.

>Fund could have done a little research before writing this pack of lies,
>but he should have already known the truth: Anyone who knows anything
>about the history and making of SNL knows how the show is produced.
>Every week more sketches are developed than can fit on the show and then
>Lorne Michaels judges audience reaction at rehersal and makes cuts. If
>Michaels truly believed the sketch "dug a little too deep at Obama" it
>never would have made it past the initial pitch, much less gone all the
>way to dress rehersal.

Don't be absurd.

There is no evidence at all that a skit makes it onto Saturday Night Live
because it's funny, even to a test audience.

Dano

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May 9, 2012, 3:27:20 PM5/9/12
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"Barry Margolin" wrote in message
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I don't disagree...but my point stands. I find the more extreme one's
politics, the more lacking is their sense of humor in general...but
especially any kind of political humor or satire. In fact I'd even include
the more extreme of the left in that as well to be fair. It's just that
currently we hear more from the extreme right minority who THINK they are a
majority. Which is delusional on their part.


David Johnston

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May 9, 2012, 6:28:49 PM5/9/12
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The unfortunate reality of SNL is that they have the time to fill even
when they have nothing funny to fill it. At which point they have to
cut sketches based on a heirarchy of boringness in Michaels eyes.

Mason Barge

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May 9, 2012, 6:40:07 PM5/9/12
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It doesn't seem to have stopped them in the past.

dave

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May 9, 2012, 7:01:52 PM5/9/12
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<snipped>

I agree with the title, SNL has declined massivly from what it was 10 years
ago. On the other hand, political humor has never been a strong point with
SNL (IMHO). With few exceptions SNL political sketches are superficial and
unfunny parodies: Ford* is clumsy, Reagan is senile, Clinton is horny, Bush
II is stupid.

* Prez Ford was the most distinguished athelete ever to become president.


Adam H. Kerman

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May 9, 2012, 7:03:43 PM5/9/12
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Hahahahahahahaha
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Dano

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May 10, 2012, 12:37:18 AM5/10/12
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"Mason Barge" wrote in message
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Well you can only fit so much unfunny into a little over an hour of TV.

Dano

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May 10, 2012, 12:37:53 AM5/10/12
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"Dennis M" wrote in message
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In article <barmar-B71DE7....@news.eternal-september.org>, Barry
Margolin <bar...@alum.mit.edu> wrote:

>>In article <joe39q$nje$1...@dont-email.me>, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>>wrote:
>> Maybe they thought it wasn't funny? Is THAT so hard to imagine?
>
>If you're on the left, it's easy. If you're on the right, it's
>unimaginable -- they must have scrapped it because they didn't want to
>offend Obama.

Just more of the same 'ole "we're being persecuted by everybody in the
lamestream media" defensiveness from the right. It helps with the campaign
contributions.

===========================================

Yep. Just a bunch of whiny bitches.

Jim G.

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May 10, 2012, 1:31:43 PM5/10/12
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Dano sent the following on 5/9/2012 10:42 AM:
If they routinely cut everything that isn't funny, then why hasn't the
show been a 30-minute thing (and I'm being charitable) from the very
beginning?

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"I find it's best if you just ... go with it." -- Lincoln Lee, providing
us with FRINGE's "Every question just leads to more questions" moment

Jim G.

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May 10, 2012, 1:31:31 PM5/10/12
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Dano sent the following on 5/9/2012 11:49 AM:
Politicians are usually good with perspective or they wouldn't last long
in politics. Their most devoted followers, OTOH, often tend to be
batshit crazy. And while it's endlessly amusing that you would think
that one party owns the craziness (and--go figure!--you pick on the
conservatives!), the reality is that *neither* side has a monopoly on
things like a lack of a funny bone, douchebagginess, etc.

I compare it to sports, where teams with a bad image usually have that
image because of their douchebaggy fans, as opposed to the players
themselves who tend to be far classier than their fans.
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