Too bad they didn't keep Byron from 'Nocturne' as a recurring character. I thought he was a great foil for Lana. He really brought out her poetic and imaginative side. I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked Clark to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked to her parents. It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the changeling girl. In a later episode she reveals that she believed that Clark had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this. I believe she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets. I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't Lana be both evil and still opposed to Lex. For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can try to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American myth). Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants. He even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes that he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.On the other hand, Lana sees the mutants as being only evil. Lana's character could evolve into something that isn't like Clark and isn't like Lex either. Maybe if there was another prophecy where Lana would be killed by a krypto-mutant, or by Lex himself, that would cause her to hunt the mutants that protect Lex. It would also make Clark her only hope for salvation since Lex can only be killed by Clark. Lana would be kind of like an anti-Lex, but she would have a similar power to Lex's. Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be able to kill her either.
> Too bad they didn't keep Byron from 'Nocturne' as a recurring character. I > thought he was a great foil for Lana. He really brought out her poetic and > imaginative side. > I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked Clark > to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the > episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked to > her parents. > It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest > influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative > influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the > changeling girl. In a later episode she reveals that she believed that > Clark had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this. I > believe she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets. > I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is > interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't > Lana be both evil and still opposed to Lex. > For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the > mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants > somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can > try to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American > myth). Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the > krypto-mutants. He even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode > as he realizes that he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.On > the other hand, Lana sees the mutants as being only evil. Lana's character > could evolve into something that isn't like Clark and isn't like Lex > either. Maybe if there was another prophecy where Lana would be killed by > a krypto-mutant, or by Lex himself, that would cause her to hunt the > mutants that protect Lex. It would also make Clark her only hope for > salvation since Lex can only be killed by Clark. Lana would be kind of > like an anti-Lex, but she would have a similar power to Lex's. Lana > wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but Lex. Not even Clark could kill > her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be able to kill her either.
Partof this may be in the making. Lana balmes the meteors for her parents deaths and that would mean Clark and the other Kryptonians by proxy. If Lex is a mutant and uses the mutants then he's a part of the problem and not the solution. I could see Lana rising above the both of them. But why must she be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law enforcement. It seems that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored. As I posted on another thread I could see them tieing her into the Amazons through her ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she looks the part with her Lana-fu. BC
in order to be as evil as lex is, he uses his money.
since lana doesn't have that, the writers would have to make it her personality...or she'd have to resort to stealing to fund her ways. that would really make her break the law and she couldn't redeem herself. one of the worst 'hiding under the carpet' plotlines was how clark just came back from his summer of metropolis with hardly any bad result. they spent 2 episodes on his run-in with that crime lord guy but even that was just another 'bad guy of the week' story.
so whatever bad things she does against clark is done in such a way that fans still like her, and eventually she probably will become good again. think of it like wrestling. it's interesting how these people can be good or bad and the viewing public responds appropriately.
> But why must she be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law > enforcement.
Well, if Lana is destined to be killed by Lex, and only by Lex, as Lex is destined to be killed only by Superman, that would mean that no one else could touch Lana--not Clark, and not Lex's legion of supervillains. But this doesn't necessarily mean that Lana has super powers. Lex doesn't seem to have super powers, other than the fact that he can only be killed by Superman.
I think something more is necessary for Lana's character than to be just another FBI agent. If Lana, Clark and Lex are all part of some kind of phophesized triumverate I think she needs to have a equal amount of mystique and presence.
> It seems that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored. > As I posted on another thread I could see them tieing her into the Amazons > through her ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she looks the > part with her Lana-fu.
In the past I have imagined Lana as evolving into something like Star Sapphire, as she appeared in the TV series 'Justice League Unlimited', but I see what you mean when you metnion a possible connection to Wonder Woman. Lana can be very athletic and assertive sometimes. I think that maybe Whitney helped to bring out that aspect of her personality.
>> But why must she be powered--maybe she just works for the FBI or law >> enforcement.
> Well, if Lana is destined to be killed by Lex, and only by Lex, as Lex is > destined to be killed only by Superman, that would mean that no one else > could touch Lana--not Clark, and not Lex's legion of supervillains. But > this doesn't necessarily mean that Lana has super powers. Lex doesn't seem > to have super powers, other than the fact that he can only be killed by > Superman.
> I think something more is necessary for Lana's character than to be just > another FBI agent. If Lana, Clark and Lex are all part of some kind of > phophesized triumverate I think she needs to have a equal amount of > mystique and presence.
I agree. And I think they've laid the foundation for that already. Working for law enforcement is a joke on this show--there isn't any.
>> It seems that for any of this fantasy to work the law has to be ignored. >> As I posted on another thread I could see them tieing her into the >> Amazons through her ancestors and making her a Wonder Woman--damn she >> looks the part with her Lana-fu.
> In the past I have imagined Lana as evolving into something like Star > Sapphire, as she appeared in the TV series 'Justice League Unlimited', but > I see what you mean when you metnion a possible connection to Wonder > Woman. Lana can be very athletic and assertive sometimes. I think that > maybe Whitney helped to bring out that aspect of her personality.
Christopher M. wrote: > I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked Clark > to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the > episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked to > her parents.
Yes, in the beginning of the series, the characters were much more unique. Most of Lana's personality has been sucked out over the last few years. Now she's just reduced to agonizing over whoever she's dating at the time (Jason, Clark, Lex, whoever).. They hinted she had a big interest in astronomy.. then dropped it.. They didn't even have her really show emotion when Lex proposed. The next week, she acted as if Lex asked her to take out the trash or something instead of marriage.. I really dislike how she's hot and cold for Lex. Of course, she always takes advantage of Lex for free room and board and a shoulder to cry on, but can't commit to the relationship.
Maybe it has to do with BC's comment about the women writers.. They want Lana, Chloe, and even Lois to be "strong" and not need men or whatever. Chloe refuses to acknowledge Jimmy as her boyfriend, despite the fact that she lets him lick whipped cream off her.
> It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest > influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative > influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the > changeling girl.
Interesting point. Ironically, I think Whitney was the best boyfriend she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to be the healthiest relationship she was in. After she abandoned Whitney and started dating other guys, she started getting obsessed with trust issues and couldn't commit to any relationship.. Even for Jason.. The guy quit school and moved to friggin Smallvile and got a coach job just to be with her and she's all frigid..despite the fact that it was "magic" in Paris...Basically, Whitney was the only relationship she was in that even seemed normal.
> In a later episode she reveals that she believed that Clark > had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this.
Because Clark always gets a free pass on this show. No one is allowed to question anything he does, not even Lex. Only occasionally will someone like Raya call him out about not accepting his destiny.. So then Clark makes this grand commitment gesture, but then never changes.
> I believe > she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the mutant against the wall and killing them? This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow).. But Clark is a vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and countless other crimes Clark has done.
> I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is > interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't Lana > be both evil and still opposed to Lex.
Agreed. Can't there be a little bit of originality in this show? It's lame when she talks like the Luthors. It seemed so unnatural when she threatened that scientist in the elevator. In fact, it was comical. I laughed. I mean, is any guy like that (who has no doubt a history of doing shady research) going to be scared of some little 20 year old woman? Especially when her boyfriend is paying him (ie. Lex wants stuff from him, so he's not going to let his girl toy ruin the research).
> For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the > mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants > somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can try > to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American myth).
I'm not sure.. I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting mutants in 33.1 It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right? Nothing bad has happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We know he likes to study them. Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially feed a lot of people in third world countries. Other mutants have powers that would potentially have peaceful uses. Lex seemed to believe that the Fine vacinne was going to protect humanity from an alien disease. Lex also tried to keep tabs on Fine and tried to stop him.. In contrast, Clark sat on his ass in the barn and did nothing until Fine came to him and it was too late. If Clark was a little proactive, he could've stopped Fine and stopped Zod from popping out. He could've gotten the magic dagger from the fortress and stabbed Fine BEFORE Lex was prepared as a vessel. But no, dumbass Clark never asked Jorel how to stop Fine, because the people Fine was killing (in the AOL blog) weren't in Smallvile.
>He > even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes that > he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
>On the other hand, Lana > sees the mutants as being only evil.
Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but > Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be > able to kill her either.
I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
sharpie wrote: > in order to be as evil as lex is, he uses his money.
> since lana doesn't have that, the writers would have to make it her > personality...or she'd have to resort to stealing to fund her ways. > that would really make her break the law and she couldn't redeem > herself. one of the worst 'hiding under the carpet' plotlines was how > clark just came back from his summer of metropolis with hardly any bad > result. they spent 2 episodes on his run-in with that crime lord guy > but even that was just another 'bad guy of the week' story.
I know.. I mean, give me a break.. the dude was ripping out ATMs, and no one apparently noticed? The only person to notice was Edge, who recruited him. They blew a big chance to have Clark be a fugitive. Maybe eventually he does something heroic and gets a pardon.. Yes, it would be kind of lame to have to eventually pardon him, but it would be better to at least temporarily have to have Clark face the consequences of his actions. That's a huge problem on this show. Clark gets mad and breaks Lex's arm and puts Lana in the hospital (Splinter).. no consequences.. Lana catches Clark with naked hypnoChick.. no consequences.. Clark is generally a bad friend to Chloe, but she's still a loyal puppy dog to him.. They should change the title of this show to "Everyone Loves Clarkie"...
> so whatever bad things she does against clark is done in such a way > that fans still like her, and eventually she probably will become good > again.
You're probably right.. I expect her to turn "good" again and run back to Clark. I'm going to heave when that happens though. At least there's some hope that when she's with Lex, she might be interesting. Plus, Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner.. Lex Luthor is supposed to be the slick, intelligent charistmatic villian.. Instead on this show, he's the kind humanitarian that always turns the other cheek.. Remember when Clark walked into Lex's study when Clark had no powers and Clark yelled at Lex and punched him, and LEX DID NOTHING? Talk about extreme self control, considering Lex knew martial arts. I don't know anyone who would do nothing if an ex-friend burst into their house and attacked them. Anyhow.. the point is that Lex is totally isolated. Most of Smallville characters hate him, even though there's really no reason for it, other than vague BS about Lex having a "dark side".
> Christopher M. wrote: >> I miss that aspect of her personality. I miss they way she asked >> Clark >> to scream at the top of his lungs with her after the football game (the >> episode with the fire throwing coach). I also missed the way she talked >> to >> her parents.
> Yes, in the beginning of the series, the characters were much more > unique. Most of Lana's personality has been sucked out over the last > few years. Now she's just reduced to agonizing over whoever she's > dating at the time (Jason, Clark, Lex, whoever).. They hinted she had a > big interest in astronomy.. then dropped it.. They didn't even have her > really show emotion when Lex proposed. The next week, she acted as if > Lex asked her to take out the trash or something instead of marriage.. > I really dislike how she's hot and cold for Lex. Of course, she always > takes advantage of Lex for free room and board and a shoulder to cry > on, but can't commit to the relationship.
> Maybe it has to do with BC's comment about the women writers.. They > want Lana, Chloe, and even Lois to be "strong" and not need men or > whatever. Chloe refuses to acknowledge Jimmy as her boyfriend, despite > the fact that she lets him lick whipped cream off her.
>> It's interesting to think about what characters had the greatest >> influence on Lana's development. I think that Whitney had a negative >> influence on Lana--I remember that Lana hated krypto-mutants like the >> changeling girl.
> Interesting point. Ironically, I think Whitney was the best boyfriend > she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to > be the healthiest relationship she was in. After she abandoned Whitney > and started dating other guys, she started getting obsessed with trust > issues and couldn't commit to any relationship.. Even for Jason.. The > guy quit school and moved to friggin Smallvile and got a coach job just > to be with her and she's all frigid..despite the fact that it was > "magic" in Paris...Basically, Whitney was the only relationship she was > in that even seemed normal.
>> In a later episode she reveals that she believed that Clark >> had impaled her, but never questioned his reasons for doing this.
> Because Clark always gets a free pass on this show. No one is allowed > to question > anything he does, not even Lex. Only occasionally will someone like > Raya call him out about not accepting his destiny.. So then Clark makes > this grand commitment gesture, but then never changes.
>> I believe >> she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
> That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is > that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the > mutant against the wall and killing them? > This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but > any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow).. But Clark is a > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and > countless other crimes Clark has done.
>> I think the concept of eventually making Lana an evil character is >> interesting. But why does she have to be another Lex Luthor? Why can't >> Lana >> be both evil and still opposed to Lex.
> Agreed. Can't there be a little bit of originality in this show? It's > lame when she talks like the Luthors. It seemed so unnatural when she > threatened that scientist in the elevator. In fact, it was comical. I > laughed. I mean, is any guy like that (who has no doubt a history of > doing shady research) going to be scared of some little 20 year old > woman? Especially when her boyfriend is paying him (ie. Lex wants stuff > from him, so he's not going to let his girl toy ruin the research).
>> For instance, it has been hinted in at least one episode (the >> mitzelplik episode?) that Lex is storing away many of these mutants >> somewhere so one day he will have his legion of supervillains and he can >> try >> to avoid his destiny of being killed by Clark (the Native American myth).
> I'm not sure.. I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting > mutants in 33.1 > It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right? > Nothing bad has > happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy > was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
>> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
> I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this > show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We > know he likes to study them. > Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal > that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially > feed a lot of people in third world countries. > Other mutants have powers that would potentially have peaceful uses. > Lex seemed to believe that the Fine vacinne was going to protect > humanity from an alien disease. Lex also tried to keep tabs on Fine and > tried to stop him.. In contrast, Clark sat on his ass in the barn and > did nothing until Fine came to him and it was too late. If Clark was a > little proactive, he could've stopped Fine and stopped Zod from popping > out. He could've gotten the magic dagger from the fortress and stabbed > Fine BEFORE Lex was prepared as a vessel. But no, dumbass Clark never > asked Jorel how to stop Fine, because the people Fine was killing (in > the AOL blog) weren't in Smallvile.
>>He >> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes >> that >> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
> I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. > Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
>>On the other hand, Lana >> sees the mutants as being only evil.
> Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
>> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but >> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be >> able to kill her either.
> I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has > she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor > cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A > normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the > Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame they had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered the KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat. BC
BC wrote: > Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame they > had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered the > KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat. > BC
It could've been a potentially interesting 4-5 episode arc to have a mysterious, unknown vigillantee helping Clark clense the town of meteor freaks, but instead the writers had to take the lame way out and have him shoot Clark. Eventually, he gets publicly exposed and is hailed as a hero and savior of the town. (Naturally, the police look the other way, just like they do with Clark :) ) Then they they could've had him die at the hands of a freak that was just too powerful and made him a hero/martyr to the whole town. Then Clark could've wondered if a similiar fate was in store for him.. or something like that. Anything is better than the standard formula of "Duh, I better try to kill Clark".
Really, I see very little difference between Krypto Bullet guy and Clark. Both pretty much assume that anyone with powers is extremely dangerous and should be exterminated. We've seen a few exceptions like Flash where Clark somehow decides "Oh, I bet deep down he's a good guy" despite the Flash being a thief, yet the norm is the Dog Catcher episode where the thieves need to be executed. Why didn't Clark have a heart to heart chat with some of the other mutants and try to steer them on the straight and narrow like he did with Bart? Why doesn't Clark give other people with powers the benefit of the doubt? The only time I remember Clark giving a mutant the benefit of the doubt was Glass Shattering Girl. Note, I'm not counting powers that are obviously no threat at all like looking into the future and healing.
> BC wrote: >> Krypto bullet guy's dad was killed by Krypto freak Tina Greer. Shame >> they >> had to make him a bad guy when his dad was the good guy that delivered >> the >> KIA notice to Whitney's mom and Tina beat him to death with a ball bat. >> BC
> It could've been a potentially interesting 4-5 episode arc to have a > mysterious, unknown vigillantee helping Clark clense the town of meteor > freaks, but instead the writers had to take the lame way out and have > him shoot Clark. Eventually, he gets publicly exposed and is hailed as > a hero and savior of the town. (Naturally, the police look the other > way, just like they do with Clark :) ) Then they they could've had him > die at the hands of a freak that was just too powerful and made him a > hero/martyr to the whole town. Then Clark could've wondered if a > similiar fate was in store for him.. or something like that. Anything > is better than the standard formula of "Duh, I better try to kill > Clark".
> Really, I see very little difference between Krypto Bullet guy and > Clark. Both pretty much assume that anyone with powers is extremely > dangerous and should be exterminated.
Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered by Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot Clark--we've been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was asleep.
> We've seen a few exceptions like Flash where Clark somehow decides "Oh, > I bet deep down he's a good guy" despite the Flash being a thief, yet > the norm is the Dog Catcher episode where the thieves need to be > executed. Why didn't Clark have a heart to heart chat with some of the > other mutants and try to steer them on the straight and narrow like he > did with Bart? Why doesn't Clark give other people with powers the > benefit of the doubt? The only time I remember Clark giving a mutant > the benefit of the doubt was Glass Shattering Girl. Note, I'm not > counting powers that are obviously no threat at all like looking into > the future and healing.
BC wrote: > Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't > that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she > then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
I had forgotten about that (at least to that level of detail). Your memory is amazing. The cop out was that they didn't have Clark have to look inside himself and resolve whether he really was the same as KrypoBullet. Instead, they went for the expedient ending and just decided to have KyrptoBullet dude shoot Clark, which automatically makes him "evil".
Another thing is that Lana knows that Clark has killed some mutants with superhuman strength, yet years later, she shows Lex Clark's hospital records and it proves Clark is "normal". Let's face it, superpowers are common in Smallvile. The football coach was a mutant. The principle (and hundreds of others) were killed by mutants. The cheerleaders dabbled in Kryptonite, as did enough high school kids (like the tatoo boys and the baseball players) that we must assume that it's common knowledge that Kryptonite mutates people. Yet no one (other than Luthercorp) has taken action on something that every teen in town knows about. The mutants have done stuff far too blantant to be relegated to the tabloids. Anyhow.. Back on topic.. Lana's comment about Clark being a vigilantee but later saying he's 100% normal and not suspecting Clark is at least 'juicing' Kryptonite or something else to get powers is absurd.
> I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered by > Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot Clark--we've > been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his > kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark > like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was asleep.
Do you mean the scene where Edge's thug goes to Clark's apartment and gives him the test and Clark beats up the thug? Actually, Edge knew Kryptonite weakened Clark. That's how they got the blood from him and that's how they tied him up into the truck. I'm kind of glad they've gotten away from plots with Kryptonite weakening Clark. They were so lame. The Kryptonite effected him with different levels of severity depending on the plot. In one episode, Clark is buried alive and powerless with a golf ball sized chunk on his chest. Other times, there's walls of the stuff, and Clark is able to stagger away. Anyhow, Green Kryptonite is overused, and it's not really a threat to Clark anyway, so I'm glad they've stopped using it.
> BC wrote: >> Didn't Lana point that out in that episode--in the Talon to Clark? Isn't >> that where she called him a vigilante and he gave an excuse and then she >> then said "spoken like a true vigilante"?
> I had forgotten about that (at least to that level of detail). Your > memory is amazing. > The cop out was that they didn't have Clark have to look inside himself > and resolve > whether he really was the same as KrypoBullet. Instead, they went for > the expedient ending and just decided to have KyrptoBullet dude shoot > Clark, which automatically makes him "evil".
It almost looks like a writer is heading in the right direction and then someone comes in and kills the idea and returns the storyline to the same old shit.
> Another thing is that Lana knows that Clark has killed some mutants > with superhuman strength, yet years later, she shows Lex Clark's > hospital records and it proves Clark is "normal". Let's face it, > superpowers are common in Smallvile. The football coach was a mutant. > The principle (and hundreds of others) were killed by mutants. The > cheerleaders dabbled in Kryptonite, as did enough high school kids > (like the tatoo boys and the baseball players) that we must assume that > it's common knowledge that Kryptonite mutates people. Yet no one (other > than Luthercorp) has taken action on something that every teen in town > knows about. The mutants have done stuff far too blantant to be > relegated to the tabloids. > Anyhow.. Back on topic.. Lana's comment about Clark being a vigilantee > but later saying he's 100% normal and not suspecting Clark is at least > 'juicing' Kryptonite or something else to get powers is absurd.
The one defining moment where Lana HAD to know there was something weird about Clark and that was in Hidden. Clark has just risen from the dead and his clothes are smoldering from reentry after intercepting an ICBM in outer space. Lana just gives him a kiss. WTF? How about the blackened smoldering clothes? No questions? He was dead then he was gone. No questions Lana? BC
>> I think the show would have to end if the Krypto bullets were discovered >> by >> Lex or by Morgan Edge. Actually I don't think Lex would shoot >> Clark--we've >> been told how much Lex admires him and of course Lex wants to learn his >> kryptonian secrets. Edge on the other hand would just do away with Clark >> like he tried when his thugs used machine guns on him while he was >> asleep.
> Do you mean the scene where Edge's thug goes to Clark's apartment and > gives him the test and Clark beats up the thug? Actually, Edge knew > Kryptonite weakened Clark. That's how they got the blood from him and > that's how they tied him up into the truck. I'm kind of glad they've > gotten away from plots with Kryptonite weakening Clark. They were so > lame. The Kryptonite effected him with different levels of severity > depending on the plot. In one episode, Clark is buried alive and > powerless with a golf ball sized chunk on his chest. Other times, > there's walls of the stuff, and Clark is able to stagger away. Anyhow, > Green Kryptonite is overused, and it's not really a threat to Clark > anyway, so I'm glad they've stopped using it.
The green bullet was a threat. Morgan had two thugs break into Clark's Red K apartment and machine gun the bed. Clark gets up and KO's the bad guys and Edge walks in to say that it was a test. Had Edge known about the green K bullets he could have used them as a threat. Later the Edge with the new face did beat Clark silly with a green K necklace in front of Lex and Lex still doesn't make the connection.
They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat. the other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in "Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about Arnold Schwartzenzoner. BC
>...Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner..
I think it was a mistake to have Lex's doctor wife, Dr. Helen Bryce, betray him for money. It would have been more interesting if Lex and Helen had a long and protracted relationship. And then, when she finally did betray him, she wouldn't do it for money, but because it was the right thing to do. And then I'd suppose she'd meet her end, as so many others have faced, at the hands of the Luthors.
> ...I think Whitney was the best boyfriend > she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to > be the healthiest relationship she was in...Whitney was the only > relationship she was > in that even seemed normal.
Her relationship with Whitney seemed to be the most realistic.
> Christopher M. wrote: >> I believe >> she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
> That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is > that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the > mutant against the wall and killing them?
On that occasion the guy with the kryptonite bullets, Van from the episode 'Extinction', was saving someone's life. But Van also thought that hunting kyrpto mutants was the right thing to do. Lana seemed to agree with Van's sense of justice.
> This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but > any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow)..
...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
> But Clark is a > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and > countless other crimes Clark has done.
But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
> I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting > mutants in 33.1 > It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right? > Nothing bad has > happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy > was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker? "Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
> Christopher M. wrote: >> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
> I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this > show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We > know he likes to study them. > Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal > that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially > feed a lot of people in third world countries.
An excerpt from 'Jinx':
"Outside shot of Metropolis. Day. Lex and Mikhail [Mxyzptlk] stand outside an elevator door in the LuthorCorp office.
Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable than the county lockup.
The elevator opens and they step inside.
Mikhail: And, uh, where are you taking me?
Lex: Don't worry...You're gonna have *a lot of company*. (The elevator starts to ascend.)
Mikhail: I'm not worried. I have the feeling I can learn a lot from you. But I'm just sorry we can't make good on our agreement.
Lex: (He laughs.) You underestimate the value of my *winnings*.
Mikhail: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything lost can be found again.
Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against me?
Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
The elevator stops on the floor 33.1 and the door slides open. They step off the elevator and Mikhail looks around slowly *in awe*, though we don't see what he is looking at.
> Christopher M. wrote: >>He [Lex] >> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes >> that >> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
> I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. > Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
> Christopher M. wrote: >>On the other hand, Lana >> sees the mutants as being only evil.
> Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same way. But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. He's more aloof and hopeful.
> Christopher M. wrote: >> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but >> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be >> able to kill her either.
> I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has > she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor > cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A > normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the > Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put any faith in her invulnerability.
>> ...I think Whitney was the best boyfriend >> she had. She certainly seemed the happiest with him, and it appeared to >> be the healthiest relationship she was in...Whitney was the only >> relationship she was >> in that even seemed normal.
> Her relationship with Whitney seemed to be the most realistic.
>> Christopher M. wrote: >>> I believe >>> she also supported the guy who made the kryptonite bullets.
>> That's true, but didn't he save Lana from someone drowning her? How is >> that any different from Clark rushing into the pool and throwing the >> mutant against the wall and killing them?
> On that occasion the guy with the kryptonite bullets, Van from the episode > 'Extinction', was saving someone's life. But Van also thought that hunting > kyrpto mutants was the right thing to do. Lana seemed to agree with Van's > sense of justice.
>> This show likes to paint everything Clark does as undeniably "good" but >> any other vigillante as bad (other than Green Arrow)..
> ...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
>> But Clark is a >> vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that >> Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to >> normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and >> countless other crimes Clark has done.
> But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
>> I'm not sure they ever said why Lex is collecting >> mutants in 33.1 >> It's another loose end. He's had 33.1 for about 4 years now, right? >> Nothing bad has >> happened from it yet.. Lex collects stuff like that formula Coma Boy >> was injected with but then you never hear about it again...
> What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy > house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the > invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker? > "Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
>> Christopher M. wrote: >>> Lex is not at all like Lana in this case. Lex needs the krypto-mutants.
>> I'm not sure about this? Why does he need them? Another problem this >> show has. They haven't told us Lex's motive for collecting mutants. We >> know he likes to study them. >> Maybe it's for a noble cause. For example, if one could give an animal >> that burrowing power the farmer had in subterrian, it could potentially >> feed a lot of people in third world countries.
> An excerpt from 'Jinx':
> "Outside shot of Metropolis. Day. Lex and Mikhail [Mxyzptlk] stand outside > an elevator door in the LuthorCorp office.
> Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable > than the county lockup.
> The elevator opens and they step inside.
> Mikhail: And, uh, where are you taking me?
> Lex: Don't worry...You're gonna have *a lot of company*. (The elevator > starts to ascend.)
> Mikhail: I'm not worried. I have the feeling I can learn a lot from you. > But I'm just sorry we can't make good on our agreement.
> Lex: (He laughs.) You underestimate the value of my *winnings*.
> Mikhail: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
> Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything lost > can be found again.
> Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against > me?
> Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
> The elevator stops on the floor 33.1 and the door slides open. They step > off the elevator and Mikhail looks around slowly *in awe*, though we don't > see what he is looking at.
>> Christopher M. wrote: >>>He [Lex] >>> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes >>> that >>> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
>> I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. >> Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
> Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor > wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native > American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
>> Christopher M. wrote:
>>>On the other hand, Lana >>> sees the mutants as being only evil.
>> Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
> No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like > Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same > way. But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. > He's more aloof and hopeful.
>> Christopher M. wrote: >>> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but >>> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would >>> be >>> able to kill her either.
>> I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has >> she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor >> cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A >> normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the >> Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
> Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put any > faith in her invulnerability.
She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the stones. This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for the episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa. Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot of this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
BC wrote: > The one defining moment where Lana HAD to know there was something weird > about Clark and that was in Hidden. Clark has just risen from the dead and > his clothes are smoldering from reentry after intercepting an ICBM in outer > space. Lana just gives him a kiss. WTF? How about the blackened > smoldering clothes? No questions? He was dead then he was gone. No > questions Lana? > BC
I agree, that was the most blantant.. But there were many times that Lana should've figured it out.. How about after Lana was smacked unconscious by the Zodlings, and then she wakes up in Clark's arms, the Zodlings are gone and the stain glass window is broken.. No quesitons.
Clark has shown his super strength in front of Lana and Lex numerous times, but they always brush it off with "oh, I guess the hypnotism/silver rock/transference stone TEMPORARILY gave you mega strength".. They've both seen Clark disappear in midsentence numerous times, and said "Clark..Clark.. where did he go?" Yet they ignore it.
That's what makes the whole secret a farce. We know they are going to dumb down everyone (or give them amnesia) that they don't want to know Clark's secret. Thus, there's no threat of Clark ever being exposed, so there's no drama/suspense.. Which makes it a tiring plot generator.
> The green bullet was a threat. Morgan had two thugs break into Clark's Red > K apartment and machine gun the bed. Clark gets up and KO's the bad guys > and Edge walks in to say that it was a test. Had Edge known about the green > K bullets he could have used them as a threat. Later the Edge with the new > face did beat Clark silly with a green K necklace in front of Lex and Lex > still doesn't make the connection.
Ok, I didn't remember the scene exactly.. But obviously Edge had to know Clark was bullet proof. Otherwise, what motive did he have to shoot Clark, if he was trying to recruit him? Edge isn't stupid. He's not going to roam around town randomly killing people .. especially people that he wants to recruit. That would only attract police attention. Someone is going to notice a few people murdered every week.. Even the Metropolis police would notice. Of course, that scene was purely for the benefit of the TV watcher, to show Clark's power, because it makes ZERO sense. Either Edge knew Clark would survive the test (thus making it unnecessary, why get your other men hurt).. or he didn't know Clark was invincible and was going to kill a random person he was trying to recruit. Neither makes sense.
> They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the > Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat. the > other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark > loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in > "Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about Arnold > Schwartzenzoner. > BC
I'd have no problem with Green K, if it was used better. They went through a time period where every episode had a few chunks of Green K laying around, but somehow Clark had 10% strength left.. just enough to heat vision, knock over the test tube racks, etc. I didn't mind so much when Clark was buried alive with Green K (although he should've suffocated and was only buried 2 inches deep, and why would someone bury someone in a dirt alley?) But at least someone had to help Clark get away from the Green K.
It's annoying when Clark is one of his evil moods, and all his friends and family whip out these softball sized chunks of Green K and stick it in his face, and then he just superspeeds away. Sometimes one drop of Green K practically paralyzes Clark. Other times, there are massive piles of it which have no effect. Clark shouldn't be able to go near "Crater Lake" since it was formed by the impact of a huge Kryptonite meteor. Clark was also able to walk over the bridge on that Kryptonite stream which gave that old lady in the nursing home some kind of power (I think to view the future, she saw bloody Lex). Lana's Kryptonite necklace sometimes just made him clumsy, but when he was scarecrowed it make him weak, but not sick. Other times, his veins pop out and it looks like his flesh is about to die.. Let's have a little consistency.. I mean, 1 pound of green K should effect him the same every time. He shouldn't pass out one time, and then be able to superspeed away another time.
> >...Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner..
> I think it was a mistake to have Lex's doctor wife, Dr. Helen Bryce, betray > him for money. It would have been more interesting if Lex and Helen had a > long and protracted relationship. And then, when she finally did betray him, > she wouldn't do it for money, but because it was the right thing to do. And > then I'd suppose she'd meet her end, as so many others have faced, at the > hands of the Luthors.
I agree, it would've been a much better story for Helen and Lex to initially be happily married and then something else triggers a conflict or betrayal. Heck, they could've even made her a victim of a meteor freak or Luthercorp accident or whatever. There were much better ways to get her off the show if they had to. The ending of the Helen story makes no sense. She had plenty of money and was marrying a billionaire, but someone unnamed somehow bribed her into murdering Lex? And of course this bad person was never named or made another attempt on Lex's life, it was always just another loose end. Another case of sloppy writing, where a character suddenly becomes evil with no rhyme or reason, and with no logical motive.
Christopher M. wrote: >> ...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
True, I forgot about that.
> > But Clark is a > > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that > > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to > > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and > > countless other crimes Clark has done.
> But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
And Clark also thinks that. The only exception are krypto mutant kids. He gave Glass Shattering girl a chance. Other mutants which had powers which were obviously not a physical threat (future seeing boy, future seeing old lady, healing boy) were trusted, but that's it. Clark is immediately suspicious of anyone with a real power. He immediately assumed Aqua and Angel of Vengence were bad.
> What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy > house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the > invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker? > "Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
ok, I don't recall that episode.. But you are right. Some of them just walk away. It's unclear what Lex is doing with all these mutants. He's been collecting them for years, but we haven't gotten any concrete information on what he plans to do with them. Lex wanted the formula that Coma Boy used this season.. yet we never hear about it again. Given Lex's history of helping at least some of these mutants (like fast growing boy), it's not implausible that he's trying to help some of these people get physcological help so they aren't pathological killers. He was upset that the Burrowing Farmer was killing people, and seemed interested in just observing the guy farm with his abilities.
They may end up just having 33.1 be some kind of army of Doom or whatever, but after seeing Lex all this time, it's hard to believe that he's really building an army to take something by force. Naturally, he's very curious about mutants, but he seems to have a genuine interest in research to improve mankind. All his research projects seem that way.. The Leviathon.. helps national defense (even if it kills a few fish). The nightmare gas.. nonlethal warfare. The Fine vaccine.. elimate global disease. He even went through great lengths to keep the Vampire Cure viable just in case. There's plenty of evidence that Luthercorp research actually does have good intentions. As I said in an earlier post, if the Dirt Burrowing Farmer's power could be transfered to animals, it could revolutionize farming in third world countries.. Heck it would revolutionize farming here possibly.. less machinery to buy and upkeep.. just send a few super dogs to plow the fields and harvest root crops.
> Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable than > the county lockup.
> The elevator opens and they step inside. >[cut] >: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
> Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything lost > can be found again.
> Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against > me?
> Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
Interesting excerpt.. Makes it seem like 33.1 isn't a prision. It also indicates that Lex knows a lot more about Clark than he seems to know now.
> > Christopher M. wrote: > >>He [Lex] > >> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes > >> that > >> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
> > I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. > > Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
> Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor > wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native > American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
However, Green Arrow did kill him. The only reason he isn't dead is because Clark saved him. If one believes in free will, it's obvious Lex can be killed.. Another example: If Clark hadn't blown out the fire set by Green Arrow's thugs when Lex was kidnapped, Lana and Lex would've burnt to death. I don't think Lex's resistence to poison and disease would've saved him. I remember the prophesy, but you can't hold the writers to such a strict continuity. They are not consistent, and pull things out of their rearend all the time.
> > Christopher M. wrote:
> >>On the other hand, Lana > >> sees the mutants as being only evil.
> > Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
> No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like > Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same way. > But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. He's > more aloof and hopeful.
I see Clark as being extremely judgemental and prejuicided. How many times has he wrongly accused Lex, yet Lex is always the number 1 suspect? How many times has Clark jumped to the conclusion that someone is "evil" with no evidence? He lets Green Arrow get away with murder out of friendship. However, if it was a stranger that shot an arrow in Lex, the attacker would've been thrown into a wall.
> > Christopher M. wrote: > >> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but > >> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would be > >> able to kill her either.
> > I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has > > she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor > > cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A > > normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the > > Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
> Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put any > faith in her invulnerability.
But this is the problem with a show like Smallville. The future seeing boy said that Lana would die peacefully in old age, yet she died in a car wreck. On a TV show like this, there are no absolutes, and you can't take a prophesy as a definite truth.. It's not like the Greek Myths.. The writers are making up the story as they go along. The reality is that both Lex and Lana will not die unless an offscreen event makes the writers want to get rid of their character.
BC wrote: > She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's > tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the > symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the stones. > This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for the > episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa. > Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she > wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was > misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even > though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot of > this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's > intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
Good point. Obviously, they've dropped the Isabelle story forever.. But in "Spell", Isabelle was vanquished by the spell book burning up.. Yet Isabelle came back. There's no logical reason to think that Dr Quinn's death permanently banished Isabelle... other than the fact we know the writers don't want to start that story up again.
Lana's ancestors were powerful witches, plus they humped Jorel. Good evidence that she might have some kind of powers. Maybe that's how she survives her weekly beatings on this show.
> BC wrote: >> The one defining moment where Lana HAD to know there was something weird >> about Clark and that was in Hidden. Clark has just risen from the dead >> and >> his clothes are smoldering from reentry after intercepting an ICBM in >> outer >> space. Lana just gives him a kiss. WTF? How about the blackened >> smoldering clothes? No questions? He was dead then he was gone. No >> questions Lana? >> BC
> I agree, that was the most blantant.. But there were many times that > Lana should've figured it out.. How about after Lana was smacked > unconscious by the Zodlings, and then she wakes up in Clark's arms, the > Zodlings are gone and the stain glass window is broken.. No quesitons.
> Clark has shown his super strength in front of Lana and Lex numerous > times, but they always brush it off with "oh, I guess the > hypnotism/silver rock/transference stone TEMPORARILY gave you mega > strength".. They've both seen Clark disappear in midsentence numerous > times, and said "Clark..Clark.. where did he go?" Yet they ignore it.
> That's what makes the whole secret a farce. We know they are going to > dumb down everyone (or give them amnesia) that they don't want to know > Clark's secret. Thus, there's no threat of Clark ever being exposed, so > there's no drama/suspense.. Which makes it a tiring plot generator.
>> The green bullet was a threat. Morgan had two thugs break into Clark's >> Red >> K apartment and machine gun the bed. Clark gets up and KO's the bad guys >> and Edge walks in to say that it was a test. Had Edge known about the >> green >> K bullets he could have used them as a threat. Later the Edge with the >> new >> face did beat Clark silly with a green K necklace in front of Lex and Lex >> still doesn't make the connection.
> Ok, I didn't remember the scene exactly.. But obviously Edge had to > know Clark was bullet proof. Otherwise, what motive did he have to > shoot Clark, if he was trying to recruit him? Edge isn't stupid. He's > not going to roam around town randomly killing people .. especially > people that he wants to recruit. That would only attract police > attention. Someone is going to notice a few people murdered every > week.. Even the Metropolis police would notice. > Of course, that scene was purely for the benefit of the TV watcher, to > show Clark's power, because it makes ZERO sense. Either Edge knew Clark > would survive the test (thus making it unnecessary, why get your other > men hurt).. or he didn't know Clark was invincible and was going to > kill a random person he was trying to recruit. Neither makes sense.
It didn't make much sense other than the writers wanting to be overly dramatic. I won't complain about that though, because that was back when the writing was fairly decent--especially in that Morgan Edge arc. Of course I didn't care for the ATM robbing spree--they could have had him rob drug dealers to get money and finance his little adventure in Metropolis--maybe he could have robbed Edge and then Morgan sought payback and found that he was invulnerable, thereby maintaining Clark as a good guy. But they had to destroy that with his crime spree--and he walks away scott free.
>> They have to use the Green K though. Supe is so powerful that only the >> Green K can bring him down to a level where the bad guys are a threat. >> the >> other device is to have the bad guys threaten someone that Clark >> loves--family--Chloe or Lana. You saw Clark's reluctance to save Lex in >> "Static". Had that been Lana, then Clark would have forgotten about >> Arnold >> Schwartzenzoner. >> BC
> I'd have no problem with Green K, if it was used better. They went > through a time period where every episode had a few chunks of Green K > laying around, but somehow Clark had 10% strength left.. just enough to > heat vision, knock over the test tube racks, etc. > I didn't mind so much when Clark was buried alive with Green K > (although he should've suffocated and was only buried 2 inches deep, > and why would someone bury someone in a dirt alley?) But at least > someone had to help Clark get away from the Green K.
And speaking of heat vision--why wouldn't Clark heat ray the plant girl when the plant first grabbed him? He should have zapped her and the damn plant, like Lana vaporized the vampire. Did you notice that the most powerful example of heat ray vision used so far was by Lana and not Clark or another Kryptonian? Odd isn't it?
Where would one find a "dirt" alley downtown in a city like Metropolis? Everything is paved around here.
> It's annoying when Clark is one of his evil moods, and all his friends > and family whip out these softball sized chunks of Green K and stick it > in his face, and then he just superspeeds away. Sometimes one drop of > Green K practically paralyzes Clark. Other times, there are massive > piles of it which have no effect. Clark shouldn't be able to go near > "Crater Lake" since it was formed by the impact of a huge Kryptonite > meteor.
This last point is completely impossible though. A meteor large enough to create a lake the size that they show us would wipe out the state of Kansas on impact. Smallville would have been a memory like the forests around Mt. St. Helens.
>Clark was also able to walk over the bridge on that Kryptonite > stream which gave that old lady in the nursing home some kind of power > (I think to view the future, she saw bloody Lex). > Lana's Kryptonite necklace sometimes just made him clumsy, but when he > was scarecrowed it make him weak, but not sick. Other times, his veins > pop out and it looks like his flesh is about to die.. Let's have a > little consistency.. I mean, 1 pound of green K should effect him the > same every time. He shouldn't pass out one time, and then be able to > superspeed away another time.
He wasn't even close to the glowing green eyes of that chinese mask in China and he collapsed, unable to crawl away. Well I guess it's just the idea that they want to weaken Clark enough to put him in peril from the bad guys. The broken neclace of Edge caused him to flop on the floor but he could brush the pebbles away. He once grabbed a piece the size of Lana's necklace and was throwing a football in the barn. He was trying to see if he could weaken himself enough to have normal strength on the playing field. That should have put him down but didn't. He also drank krypto juice and it made him sick and normal so the football guys could beat him up a bit. (Devoted) BC
>> >...Lex needs someone.. He's too much of a loner..
>> I think it was a mistake to have Lex's doctor wife, Dr. Helen Bryce, >> betray >> him for money. It would have been more interesting if Lex and Helen had a >> long and protracted relationship. And then, when she finally did betray >> him, >> she wouldn't do it for money, but because it was the right thing to do. >> And >> then I'd suppose she'd meet her end, as so many others have faced, at the >> hands of the Luthors.
> I agree, it would've been a much better story for Helen and Lex to > initially be happily married and then something else triggers a > conflict or betrayal. Heck, they could've even made her a victim of a > meteor freak or Luthercorp accident or whatever. There were much better > ways to get her off the show if they had to. The ending of the Helen > story makes no sense. She had plenty of money and was marrying a > billionaire, but someone unnamed somehow bribed her into murdering Lex? > And of course this bad person was never named or made another attempt > on Lex's life, it was always just another loose end. Another case of > sloppy writing, where a character suddenly becomes evil with no rhyme > or reason, and with no logical motive.
Alicia followed a similar but reversed pattern--she was a freak to start then later became lovable. Both Vaugier and Carter were good looking and popular and the show probably just didn't have the money to keep them around--so kill them off. I would like to see Helen resurface and give Lana and Lex some trouble. Wonder if Helen and Lex are divorced or annulled? They never said she was dead--just missing. BC
> BC wrote: >> She also survived that helicopter crash that killed the pilot. Lana's >> tattoo symbol is a part of the prophecy as shown by the cave wall and the >> symbols at the chinese temple and is also the symbol on one of the >> stones. >> This might be attributed to the possession by Isabelle if it weren't for >> the >> episode where Jor-el beds Lana's great aunt and meets Clark's grandpa. >> Something is going on with Lana but if it was invulnerability then she >> wouldn't have suffered a broken leg in Shattered. Maybe Isabelle was >> misguided, but she claimed that the stones belonged to her. Later, even >> though Lana was still possessed, she gave the air stone to Clark. A lot >> of >> this makes no logical sense but I'm sure it was at one point someone's >> intention to make Lana a part of the cave wall prophecy.
> Good point. Obviously, they've dropped the Isabelle story forever.. But > in "Spell", Isabelle was vanquished by the spell book burning up.. Yet > Isabelle came back. There's no logical reason to think that Dr Quinn's > death permanently banished Isabelle... other than the fact we know the > writers don't want to start that story up again.
The only good thing about restarting the Lana/witch/kryptonian connection is that it saves money on an actor. They don't need guest stars when they do the "possession" gimmick. And you've seen how much they've used that angle.
> Lana's ancestors were powerful witches, plus they humped Jorel. Good > evidence that she might have some kind of powers. Maybe that's how she > survives her weekly beatings on this show.
She does bounce farther off those walls than the others. I really don't remember Chloe and Lois being thrown around that much--mostly Lana. It was either Emily or Tina Greer that threw Lana hard enough to splinter a table in the Talon--and that should have probably killed her. We've also seen her go through glass tables and slam into bookshelves.
> Christopher M. wrote: >>> ...And the Flash. I thought 'Run' was a great episode.
> True, I forgot about that.
>> > But Clark is a >> > vigillante.. It's all a question of point of view. One could say that >> > Kryptonite bullet man was right in identifying Clark as a threat to >> > normal humans. After all, there was that Red K crime spree and >> > countless other crimes Clark has done.
>> But in this episode Van thought _all_ of the krypto-mutants were evil.
> And Clark also thinks that. The only exception are krypto mutant kids. > He gave Glass Shattering girl a chance. Other mutants which had powers > which > were obviously not a physical threat (future seeing boy, future seeing > old lady, healing boy) > were trusted, but that's it. Clark is immediately suspicious of anyone > with a real power. > He immediately assumed Aqua and Angel of Vengence were bad.
A good example of this is how Clark treated Emily. In the first episode she's a kid and Clark is sympathetic--the next time we see her she's killed the real owner of the Talon and Clark doesn't recognize her. He's of course not sympathetic any longer now she's grown up. Somehow she makes a Plexiglas house in a barn that is in use without anyone noticing, to imprison Lana. Clark defeats her by heat raying the supports for the water tower and Emily slams into the water (she can run through solid objects like brick but it isn't explained how she couldn't run through water) and she is either killed or knocked into a coma. I don't think we are ever told of her fate. Certainly 33.1 couldn't hold her. BC
>> What happens to all of these mutants? Some of them end up in the crazy >> house, but not all of them. A lot of them just slip away. Remember the >> invisible guy with the sister that looked like Miss Tessmocker? >> "Clark: What do you think's gonna happen to Jeff?
> ok, I don't recall that episode.. But you are right. Some of them just > walk away. > It's unclear what Lex is doing with all these mutants. He's been > collecting them for > years, but we haven't gotten any concrete information on what he plans > to do with them. > Lex wanted the formula that Coma Boy used this season.. yet we never > hear about it again. > Given Lex's history of helping at least some of these mutants (like > fast growing boy), it's not > implausible that he's trying to help some of these people get > physcological help so they > aren't pathological killers. He was upset that the Burrowing Farmer was > killing people, and seemed > interested in just observing the guy farm with his abilities.
> They may end up just having 33.1 be some kind of army of Doom or > whatever, but after seeing Lex all this > time, it's hard to believe that he's really building an army to take > something by force. Naturally, he's very > curious about mutants, but he seems to have a genuine interest in > research to improve mankind. > All his research projects seem that way.. The Leviathon.. helps > national defense (even if it kills a few fish). > The nightmare gas.. nonlethal warfare. The Fine vaccine.. elimate > global disease. He even went through great lengths to keep the Vampire > Cure viable just in case. There's plenty of evidence that Luthercorp > research actually does have > good intentions. As I said in an earlier post, if the Dirt Burrowing > Farmer's power could be transfered to animals, it could revolutionize > farming in third world countries.. Heck it would revolutionize farming > here possibly.. less machinery to buy and upkeep.. just send a few > super dogs to plow the fields and harvest root crops.
>> > Christopher M. wrote:
>> Lex: I think you'll find your new accommodations a lot more comfortable >> than >> the county lockup.
>> The elevator opens and they step inside. >>[cut] >>: I told you, Mr. Luthor. I've lost my *talent*.
>> Lex: Mikhail, if there's one thing *I've learned*, it's that anything >> lost >> can be found again.
>> Mikhail: If you knew I had a special talent, then why did you bet against >> me?
>> Lex: I didn't. I bet on Clark Kent.
> Interesting excerpt.. Makes it seem like 33.1 isn't a prision. It also > indicates that Lex knows a lot more about Clark than he seems to know > now.
>> > Christopher M. wrote: >> >>He [Lex] >> >> even considers himself a mutant in at least one episode as he realizes >> >> that >> >> he can't be killed--unless he is killed by Superman.
>> > I think he just has resistance to poison and disease. He can be killed. >> > Green Arrow killed him this season with an arrow.
>> Lex survives falling out of an airplane after he is tricked by his doctor >> wife. He has also survived countless attacks. According to the native >> American myth Ziget (Lex) will finally be killed by Naman (Clark).
> However, Green Arrow did kill him. The only reason he isn't dead is > because Clark > saved him. If one believes in free will, it's obvious Lex can be > killed.. Another example: > If Clark hadn't blown out the fire set by Green Arrow's thugs when Lex > was kidnapped, Lana and > Lex would've burnt to death. I don't think Lex's resistence to poison > and disease would've saved him. > I remember the prophesy, but you can't hold the writers to such a > strict continuity. They are not > consistent, and pull things out of their rearend all the time.
That scenario does fit with Clark and Lex being depicted as two heads of one being as shown on the cave wall. Lex can die but Clark has saved him on many occasions starting with the Porsche in the river. So as I said several times before--Lex can't die because he and Clark are a part of the prophecy. Lex will always be saved by Clark until it is time for Clark to kill him. They create the purpose for each other. That is why I said there is a TAO to Smallville--Lex and Clark circle each other creating a balance and the pivot point is Lana. While most people hate the love angle with Lana and those two it is actually the driving force of the show--to keep Clark and Lex at each other. They can't replace Lana with Lois--Lex has no interest in her, so the dynamic is gone. Lana has to move back and forth between the two and I predict that she will swing back to Clark. If she doesn't I think the show is over. This is nearly the case now where they have had Lana hook up finally with Clark and then Clark becomes impotent because of his irrational fear of hurting her (didn't have that fear with Alicia) and now Lana drifts to Lex but still hasn't committed to him even though she's pregnant and he's proposed. Thisngs would be better for the dynamic if Clark actually knew she was pregnant and suspected Lex. I don't think they've shown us how much Clark knows.
I would like to see some more real Morgan Edge villain snuffing by Clark but unfortunately this show revolves around the love angle and Krypto freaks--I don't see it going anywhere else.
Also look at the forming of the JLA. Several of the "freaks" were more powerful than the Flash and Aqua. I would rather have that memory erasing guy Kevin on my team than the Flash. He could just zap the bad guys and they would forget what they were doing. Several of the "bad" freaks were killed but can you imagine the JLA coming to grips with Emily (not officially dead), Tina Greer, Bug boy, Magnetic kid, Mxy (if he regains his power of suggestion), super strength tatto guys, the superpower twins with the force field--and some others I'm sure. I think the JLA except for Clark would get their asses handed to them in a basket.
>> >>On the other hand, Lana >> >> sees the mutants as being only evil.
>> > Do you blame her.. She's been attacked hundreds of times by them.
>> No, I don't blame her. Lana is very pragmatic and aggressive person, like >> Whitney. Most people with a Saxon-like personality would react the same >> way. >> But Clark is different. He has more of a Norman type of personality. He's >> more aloof and hopeful.
> I see Clark as being extremely judgemental and prejuicided. How many > times has he wrongly > accused Lex, yet Lex is always the number 1 suspect? How many times > has Clark jumped to > the conclusion that someone is "evil" with no evidence? He lets Green > Arrow get away with murder out of > friendship. However, if it was a stranger that shot an arrow in Lex, > the attacker would've been thrown into a wall.
>> > Christopher M. wrote: >> >> . Lana wouldn't be able to be killed by anyone but >> >> Lex. Not even Clark could kill her. None of Lex's krypto-mutants would >> >> be >> >> able to kill her either.
>> > I think Lana has already shown she can't be killed. How many times has >> > she been thrown around, been in car wrecks, etc and only had a minor >> > cut. Heck, that big stab Zod put in her didn't really bother her. A >> > normal person would've bled to death, but Lana was able to drive to the >> > Kent farm and not get medical treatment until hours later.
>> Very true, but until Lana has been mentioned in a prophecy I won't put >> any >> faith in her invulnerability.
> But this is the problem with a show like Smallville. The future seeing > boy said that Lana would > die peacefully in old age, yet she died in a car wreck. On a TV show > like this, there are no absolutes, > and you can't take a prophesy as a definite truth.. It's not like the > Greek Myths.. The writers are making > up the story as they go along. The reality is that both Lex and Lana > will not die unless an offscreen event makes > the writers want to get rid of their character.
As stated above I don't think that Lex, Lana or Clark
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