(REPOST) [1F04] Treehouse
TOM COLLINS
JAC>Here's the revised 1F04 capsule. Send me corrections.
JAC>Ron Carter {rc}:
JAC> ... Bart got an "F+" grade on his test on the fridge.
JAC> ... The whole first part was a take-off of "The Devil and Daniel
JAC> Webster"
I believe a little checking will reveal that I am the original poster of
these observations. You may recollect my discussion (there were even
follow-ups, for a change) on who the jurors were.
JAC> Warner Brothers' "Pigs is Pigs" cartoon from 1937
JAC> - Porky is force-fed apples in a nightmare until he grows very large
Worth knowing, perhaps, that Warner's title is from a classic humorous
story by Ellis Parker Butler. It's even been filmed under the same name.
JAC> Dr. Seuss, "Sam, I Am" (Ron Carter {rc})
JAC> - the gremlin looked like Sam
I believe I first pointed out that the Gremlin looked like a Dr. Seuss
drawing, though I have no doubt that Mr. Carter identified WHICH
drawing.
Since no one ever responds to my postings or ever seems to acknowledge
I'm here, it seems worthwhile, to me, to insist that I AM here and DO
point out some things, from time to time, first.
>Stuff due to Ron Carter is marked {rc}.
>- The paintings in the gallery, part one:
> - Marge shadow on wall (in the style of de Chirico)
> - Homer (Van Gogh's self portrait)
> - Maggie with melted pacifiers (Dali's "Persistence of Memory")
> - Lisa playing sax (Picasso's "Three Musicians")
> - Homer chasing Bart (Escher's "Ascending and Descending")
> - Lisa (Munch's "The Scream")
No, I don't think so. Go back and look at my post on this episode, the
first one out there, and see if it didn't go into some detail about the
artwork, including naming each of the artists and at least three of the
above titles. Who is this Ron Carter who not only gets credit for other
people's work, but is (apparently) willing to accept it?
>- The paintings in the gallery, part two: {rc}
> - Homer with list, "Duff Chips Pork" (David's "Death of Marat
> Sade")
> - Lisa (Picasso's "Three Musicians")
> - Bart behind an apple
> (Magritte's self-portrait, "The Son of Man")
> - that stupid "Dogs Playing Poker" picture
The poker picture seems to be Anon. I also identified Magritte and the
Death of Marat, asking, "Could it be The Death of Marat?" and
someone--very likely NOT the ominiscient Mr. Carter--commented, Yes, the
name David was visible in the corner. And if it WAS the ubiquitous Ron,
his posting is manifestly a response to my prior remarks. Grrr.
I don't want credit for every damn thing I call attention to, but I
don't like seeing it handed out to others either.
> The "Ironic Punishments" room in hell
Based not only on Dante, but as I pointed out, Jimmy Hatlo's
long-running comic, "Hatlo's Inferno."
> The jurors in "The Devil and Daniel Webster"
> Comparing the jurors in the original versus that in the Simpsons,
> Andrew Ross {ar} comments, "Arnold and Blackbeard were in the
> original. None of the others had yet achieved notoriety in Daniel
> Webster's day (pre-civil war, don't you know). The rest of Benet's
etc. In response to my posting, he said that. I at least named the
original work and author and the Simpsons' version jurors.
> Who is James Coco?
> Homer's guardian in hell says, "James Coco went mad in fifteen
"Homer's tormentor" would be a more apt phrase, don't you think?
> minutes!" Steve Portigal {slp} explains, "James Coco was an (at
And who posted the original quote? Not Ron Carter.
> times) respect actor, who also was famous for his weight, and perhaps
> appetite. He was in lots of films, including a Don Quixote version.
> The last things I remember him doing was playing the lovable criminal
> uncle of Tony Micelli on Who's the Boss? When he died, they had a sad
> maudlin episode about how much they loved him."
% The minute he swallows it, the devil appears. "Well, well: finishing
% something?" A hole of fire appears in the kitchen floor, and Homer is
% drawn towards it. He grabs onto the fridge door, clinging desperately
% to it as the suction becomes more powerful. Marge comes in to see
% what the commotion is about, and her hair gets sucked towards the
% peephole to hell.
Among the things sucked down the hole is Bart's F+ paper from the
refrigerator. As I pointed out before.
>Uter: Ah, guten tag! Would you care for a bite of my
> Vengelerstrasse bar? I also have a bag of marzipan Joy Joys.
I pointed out that this translates to Butterfinger. Isn't that worthy of
including in the episode guide?
I have pointed out numerous changes, made many comments on previous
episode guides of yours, never received word one in answer. Now I see
you are giving others credit where I should get it. If you need to see
my original posting, no doubt that can be arranged. Meanwhile, a simple
humble, groveling, fulsome acknowledgement of your total egregiousness
will suffice....
Actually, grumpy as I am over this, what I noticed again as I read
through the compilation is what a brilliant job you do, not only
including all the best quotes, but also appending little one-liners that
go a long way to make your hard work even more appreciated by the
addition of acerbic commentary and acute wit.
You almost certainly don't get all the kudos you deserve, so please add
them to this post in equal measure to my complaints, which are not so
censorious as they may appear--more shocked than anything, actually.
Virtually,
Tom
* OLX 2.1 TD * tom...@patchbay.com (Tom Collins)
James A. Cherry
(tom.c...@patchbay.com) writes:
>JAC>Ron Carter {rc}:
>JAC> ... Bart got an "F+" grade on his test on the fridge.
>JAC> ... The whole first part was a take-off of "The Devil and Daniel
>JAC> Webster"
>
>I believe a little checking will reveal that I am the original poster of
>these observations. You may recollect my discussion (there were even
>follow-ups, for a change) on who the jurors were.
I don't have any way of checking this, as the original articles have
expired. But I _do_ remember the person who pointed out the F+ grade
also pointed out that the "+" looked added afterward. Was this you?
If so, then my apologies for the erroneous attribution. If not, then I
think Ron Carter was indeed the first person to point these out. On my
system, at least.
>JAC> Warner Brothers' "Pigs is Pigs" cartoon from 1937
>JAC> - Porky is force-fed apples in a nightmare until he grows very large
>
>Worth knowing, perhaps, that Warner's title is from a classic humorous
>story by Ellis Parker Butler. It's even been filmed under the same name.
I've added this to the "Comments and other observations" section.
>JAC> Dr. Seuss, "Sam, I Am" (Ron Carter {rc})
>JAC> - the gremlin looked like Sam
>
>I believe I first pointed out that the Gremlin looked like a Dr. Seuss
>drawing, though I have no doubt that Mr. Carter identified WHICH
>drawing.
I thought that Ron Carter noticed both things independetly, but I might
be wrong. In the case where multiple people contribute to something, I
usually don't attribute it at all. That is what I will do in this
case.
>>Stuff due to Ron Carter is marked {rc}.
>>
>>- The paintings in the gallery, part one:
>> - Marge shadow on wall (in the style of de Chirico)
[deletions]
>
>No, I don't think so. Go back and look at my post on this episode, the
>first one out there, and see if it didn't go into some detail about the
>artwork, including naming each of the artists and at least three of the
>above titles. Who is this Ron Carter who not only gets credit for other
>people's work, but is (apparently) willing to accept it?
First of all, Ron Carter did _not_ get credit for naming these
paintings. If he had, the title would have been
>>- The paintings in the gallery, part one: {rc}
Second, when more than one person contributes significantly to
something, I can't be bothered attributing everyone's contribution.
It's too difficult and too time consuming. If you had gotten all of the
paintings yourself, I would have attributed this list to you. As it is,
I attributed it to no one.
>>- The paintings in the gallery, part two: {rc}
>> - Homer with list, "Duff Chips Pork" (David's "Death of Marat
>> Sade")
>> - Lisa (Picasso's "Three Musicians")
>> - Bart behind an apple
>> (Magritte's self-portrait, "The Son of Man")
>> - that stupid "Dogs Playing Poker" picture
>
>The poker picture seems to be Anon. I also identified Magritte and the
>Death of Marat, asking, "Could it be The Death of Marat?" and
>someone--very likely NOT the ominiscient Mr. Carter--commented, Yes, the
>name David was visible in the corner. And if it WAS the ubiquitous Ron,
>his posting is manifestly a response to my prior remarks. Grrr.
All right, I'll remove the attribution to Ron.
>> The "Ironic Punishments" room in hell
>
>Based not only on Dante, but as I pointed out, Jimmy Hatlo's
>long-running comic, "Hatlo's Inferno."
I've added this.
>> The jurors in "The Devil and Daniel Webster"
>
>etc. In response to my posting, he said that. I at least named the
>original work and author and the Simpsons' version jurors.
I have now attributed you.
>> Homer's guardian in hell says, "James Coco went mad in fifteen
>
>"Homer's tormentor" would be a more apt phrase, don't you think?
Yes, I do.
>> minutes!" Steve Portigal {slp} explains, "James Coco was an (at
>
>And who posted the original quote? Not Ron Carter.
I seem to recall including Steve Portigal's quotation because it was
more complete than yours.
>Among the things sucked down the hole is Bart's F+ paper from the
>refrigerator. As I pointed out before.
Weren't there a bunch of things that got sucked into the hole? I think
I didn't feel like mentioning any of them since it would have taken too
long to figure them out/type them in.
>>Uter: Ah, guten tag! Would you care for a bite of my
>> Vengelerstrasse bar? I also have a bag of marzipan Joy Joys.
>
>I pointed out that this translates to Butterfinger. Isn't that worthy of
>including in the episode guide?
I don't remember seeing you say this; I must have missed it. I agree,
it's worthy of inclusion. I shall do so. (BTW, it's a "capsule", not
an "episode guide"; the episode guide is the thing that lists all the
episodes that have been aired and their titles and production codes.)
>I have pointed out numerous changes, made many comments on previous
>episode guides of yours, never received word one in answer. Now I see
>you are giving others credit where I should get it. If you need to see
>my original posting, no doubt that can be arranged. Meanwhile, a simple
>humble, groveling, fulsome acknowledgement of your total egregiousness
>will suffice....
As I pointed out at the beginning of the season, I'm doing this job
voluntarily. Of course, this doesn't give me an excuse to be sloppy,
but I don't have time to make sure it's all 100% accurate. Besides, who
really cares? It's just a capsule. No one's gonna die if it's not
perfect.
I _do_ need people's comments to make them complete, since there's no
way I can catch all the references myself, and since many people know
stuff that I don't which can usefully be put in the "comments and other
observations" section. Thank you for taking the time to go through
these.
As for attribution, here is the policy I have been trying to adhere to
(I posted this back at the beginning of the season):
>With regards to giving credit for noticing things, I will try to do
>it like this: if you're the first one to notice something, you'll
>probably get credit. If many people notice one thing, you probably
>won't get credit. Anything you post to the newsgroup can be quoted in
>the capsule, but if it is, I will probably credit you if it is a direct
>quotation.
>
>If you think you deserve credit for something, but you don't see your
>name credited, here are the possible reasons why:
>
>(1) I discovered it too, so I didn't bother crediting you.
>(2) Many others discovered it.
>(3) My newsreader put your article after someone else's article, so it
>looked as though the other person found it first.
>(4) I screwed up.
Possibility (4) seems to have occurred with you, and I apologize for
this. I have corrected the attributions where I think I have been in
error.
--
James A. Cherry "Who knew?"
Ron Carter
>>TOM COLLINS (tom.c...@patchbay.com) writes:
>>>(From the capsule posted by James Cherry)
>>>Stuff due to Ron Carter is marked {rc}.
>>>
>>>- The paintings in the gallery, part one:
>>> - Marge shadow on wall (in the style of de Chirico)
>>Who is this Ron Carter who not only gets credit for other
>>people's work, but is (apparently) willing to accept it?
As James points out below, you obviously don't know how to read
the capsules; besides that, you don't (apparently) know me, so I
wouldn't start throwing accusations around like this; to set
things straight, I don't take credit for other peoples' posts,
I don't (generally) review James' work, and the protocol for
corrections is to send mail to James. To belabor this for a
second, I (and James) have been contributing members to this
newsgroup for too long to be receiving such guff.
>First of all, Ron Carter did _not_ get credit for naming these
>paintings. If he had, the title would have been
>>>- The paintings in the gallery, part one: {rc}
To continue...
>>>- The paintings in the gallery, part two: {rc}
>>> - Homer with list, "Duff Chips Pork" (David's "Death of Marat
>>> Sade")
James made a simple mistake and attributed the whole listing to me;
my original post had -lots- of question marks when it came to the
title and artist names; this title was originally question marked
(and wrong). In my original post, I -did- make a pretty complete
list of all the paintings, so if James saw it first, I can see how
one of them got attributed to me.
>>The poker picture seems to be Anon. I also identified Magritte and the
>>Death of Marat, asking, "Could it be The Death of Marat?" and
>>someone--very likely NOT the ominiscient Mr. Carter--commented, Yes, the
>>name David was visible in the corner. And if it WAS the ubiquitous Ron,
>>his posting is manifestly a response to my prior remarks. Grrr.
NO, NO, NO... My posts are done without looking at anyone else's posts
on an episode; I get confused otherwise. James is the archiver, I am
just an observer/poster of the stuff -I- find interesting on OFF.
What's with this "ominiscient" (BTW, in -my- omniscience I will overlook
the spelling mistake... :-) and "ubiquitous" stuff? My original post
did indeed (without any reference to your post) mention the list of what
Homer/Marat was holding in his hand (Duff Chips Pork) which is what -I-
found significant (and funny).
>All right, I'll remove the attribution to Ron.
*sigh* :-)
>>> Homer's guardian in hell says, "James Coco went mad in fifteen
>>> minutes!" Steve Portigal {slp} explains, "James Coco was an (at
>>And who posted the original quote? Not Ron Carter.
Why am I mentioned here? What is this, attack Ron Carter day? I see
Steve Portigal's name and ID {slp} but I had nothing to do with this.
>I seem to recall including Steve Portigal's quotation because it was
>more complete than yours.
In conclusion...
Might I suggest that the machine you post to, takes longer to get
stuff out to the net than the site I post to? Or it routes to the
system that James reads, slower than the route from here?
--
Ron Carter \ Director \ Center for the Study of Creative Intelligence
CSCI \ Denver, CO USA \ "The greatest pleasure in life is doing what
rca...@nyx.cs.du.edu \ people say you cannot do." - Walter Bagehot