a real noodle scratcher!
R H Menzel
Bender
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> If one misses the reference, is the joke still funny?
No soap radio.
R H Menzel
Bender <ben...@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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(small fart noise) Well, that shut me up!
Tom Hawley
>
> No soap radio.
Okay, I don't normally go out on a limb and admit to not getting something
when I don't have to, but i've never got that one.
Shit, I just realised I meant to say...
hehe.. Mule.
Jamie
was that an intentional multi-level gag though?
Homercles
>
> If one misses the reference, is the joke still funny?
How would you know it was supposed to be a joke? There's no laugh track
on OFF (yet...)
R H Menzel
Homercles <home...@dasbutt.com> wrote in message
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Sorry! I meant any joke in general.
Mister Clean
--
The generation that used acid to escape reality
Is now using antacid to deal with reality
http://www.dwacon.com
Don Del Grande
>If one misses the reference, is the joke still funny?
Did you laugh? If so, yes.
Then again, not all references are jokes.
---------------------------------------------------
Don Del Grande, del_g...@netvista.net
I for one find it highly coincidetal that there's a character on
"Rocket Power" named Otto who's into extreme sports...
Ryan W. Mead
> > > If one misses the reference, is the joke still funny?
> >
> > No soap radio.
>
and one says to the other, "Pass the soap." The second lion replies,
"No soap, radio."
The point is, it doesn't make sense. We laugh because it's set up like
a regular joke and expect it to be the punchline.
R H Menzel
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> R H Menzel wrote:
>
> >If one misses the reference, is the joke still funny?
>
> Did you laugh? If so, yes.
A valid answer in any case!
>
> Then again, not all references are jokes.
>
True, but I was referring to any joke purposely written with a specific
reference in mind.
I pose this question because in my line of work people will judge art as
being good, meaningful, etc. without necessarily knowing the artist's
intent. There is constant discussion on whether it is even important to know
the artist's intent. There are those who maintain that the viewers
interpretation is more important than that of the artist.
I thought this could also be said of comedy (among other things, but this NG
is involved with comedy)
-Bob
Weebil28
>being good, meaningful, etc. without necessarily knowing the artist's
>intent. There is constant discussion on whether it is even important to know
>the artist's intent. There are those who maintain that the viewers
>interpretation is more important than that of the artist.
>
My opinion is that it depends on if the viewer cares about the intent or not.
If i see a beautiful piece of artwork that i want to hang on my wall it doesn't
matter to me if the artist meant it to be something with a horrible meaning. I
think maybe thats why i have a hard time coming up with titles to my work. I
hate preconceptions. Heck some of you have already decided that you won't like
future episodes of OFF simply because of the title or a couple of senteces
describing it. If a joke has a specific reference in mind and people get that
reference and hate the joke, it doesn't change the fact that the one person who
didn't get the reference found it funny for their own reasons. Isn't the end
purpose of a joke to make people laugh? isn't the end purpose of a painting to
appeal to people no matter what the reason?
R H Menzel
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> >I pose this question because in my line of work people will judge art as
> >being good, meaningful, etc. without necessarily knowing the artist's
> >intent. There is constant discussion on whether it is even important to
know
> >the artist's intent. There are those who maintain that the viewers
> >interpretation is more important than that of the artist.
> >-Bob
> >
>
>
> My opinion is that it depends on if the viewer cares about the intent or
not.
> If i see a beautiful piece of artwork that i want to hang on my wall it
doesn't
> matter to me if the artist meant it to be something with a horrible
meaning. I
> think maybe thats why i have a hard time coming up with titles to my work.
What kind of work do you do?
I
> hate preconceptions.
Interesting! When I sculpt I have strong ideas of what I'm trying to say. On
the other hand, my paintings tend to be surreal and very open to individual
interpretations, which I guess is the actual intent since human psychology
is a hobby of mine.
Heck some of you have already decided that you won't like
> future episodes of OFF simply because of the title or a couple of senteces
> describing it.
Showing a lack of growth, in my opinion.
If a joke has a specific reference in mind and people get that
> reference and hate the joke, it doesn't change the fact that the one
person who
> didn't get the reference found it funny for their own reasons.
On a certain level I agree with you. That's why Chinese (or African,
primitive, etc.) art is hung on our walls. Most of us really don't
understand the full meaning or purpose of an individual piece, but it
appeals to our senses.
But, what if the artwork (or joke) is actually meant to convey something?
Isn't the end
> purpose of a joke to make people laugh?
I used to think so, but apparently many don't agree.
isn't the end purpose of a painting to
> appeal to people no matter what the reason?
That is the subject of endless discussion.
Jamie
> > appeal to people no matter what the reason?
>
> That is the subject of endless discussion.
at the end of the day, it's you that's looking at the piece, not someone
else. if you have an idea of what something's creator had in mind when he
created it, then obviously you can be somewhat guided in your perception,
you can appreciate how the creator tried to achieve his intention and so on.
however, a piece of art is not a math problem and the artist's original
intention is not a formula. let's face it - if, beside their paintings in
galleries, painters put huge notices explaining their intentions for this
painting and outlining every single element of those intentions, leaving
absolutely no room for your perception to manuever and basically telling you
what to think, would going to art galleries be as enjoyable? (insert your
own gag about art galleries already being boring here). And anyway, if
someone doesn't "get" something but enjoys it nonetheless, who cares?
i dont know how this applies to jokes. it very much depends on the joke,
whether it works on different levels or not, and so on. jokes are different
from, say, paintings, to laugh at a joke is an impulse, to appreciate a
painting is something that takes more time and thought (of course, you can
like a pretty picture on first glance, but I doubt a lot of established
artists have only that impulse reaction in mind). you can look at a
painting, not understand anything it's trying to say, sit for another ten
minutes and try to get your head round it, perhaps discuss it with somebody,
and hopefully perceive it more clearly as a result. you can't not get a
joke, sit around for another ten minutes and try to understand it, perhaps
have someone explain it to you, and then experience the same reaction as
someone who got it as soon as they heard it.
"No, you can't play with it, you won't enjoy it on as many levels as I do.
Heh heh, the colours, children!!"
R H Menzel
> > appeal to people no matter what the reason?
>
> That is the subject of endless discussion.
>
Oops! I forgot to add....
If a piece of artwork is meant to communicate a specific idea, does it
negate personal opinion?
-Bob
R H Menzel
troll.
Jamie
> troll.
you're an argumentative troll. there, you've been called one anyway, now
you have nothing to lose when replying
seriously though, if you're going to reply in the manner you seem to have
been replying in this thread then go right ahead, i'd love to read your
thoughts. however if you're going to conduct yourself the way you did in
the Bob vs Chris thread then fine, i'd rather you didn't bother. it's up to
you. Argumentative troll labels don't get applied without reason.
Scott Munro
<rhme...@brainlink.com> wrote:
>I pose this question because in my line of work people will judge art as
>being good, meaningful, etc. without necessarily knowing the artist's
>intent. There is constant discussion on whether it is even important to know
>the artist's intent. There are those who maintain that the viewers
>interpretation is more important than that of the artist.
That's how *Apocalypse Now* can be such a powerful (though not quite
great, thank you very much Marlon %$&#ing Brando) movie even though
Francis Ford Coppola is completely (I mean like 180 degrees) wrong
about what it means.
Coppola was a truly great artist back then, and as such, he created
worlds which, like real life, allow for more than one interpretation.
--
What happens when a lighthearted and humorous film intended to teach
children about bicycle safety turns into a bizarre and surrealistic
vision of a world gone mad?
http://home.attbi.com/~onegotfat/
Weebil28
>What kind of work do you do?
>
I used to write. And then i found the internet. Now i surf. God i need to get a
life again.
>When I sculpt I have strong ideas of what I'm trying to say.
I try to tell a story that hasn't been told before. I used to sit in my english
class and wonder if Steinbeck ever thought of the fact that millions of
children would end up being tortured with his work. I really doubt it. I think
he just meant to tell a good story.
>On a certain level I agree with you. That's why Chinese (or African,
>primitive, etc.) art is hung on our walls. Most of us really don't
>understand the full meaning or purpose of an individual piece, but it
>appeals to our senses.
I post on a tattooing board that has this argument all the time. Why do people
want Kanji tattooed on them? because it looks cool. Who cares what it means or
what it really says to people. I do personally believe there is a line that can
be crossed though as i have a friend who found it very disrespectful to see a
white person wearing a wedding dress from her culture as her daily wear.
>But, what if the artwork (or joke) is actually meant to convey something?
Then hopefully the artist can manage to convey it to the audience in one way or
another. To me, knowing the story makes the art all the more enjoyable and
beautiful. I saw a painting in a restaurant of a gas station and written in
the corner of the painting was a beautiful story about the owner of the gas
station. There are ways to get the story across if you want to.
>isn't the end purpose of a painting to
>> appeal to people no matter what the reason?
>
>That is the subject of endless discussion.
Heh. it certainly is. I love discussion though and new viewpoints.
Weebil28
>negate personal opinion?
>
>-Bob
It could. But what kind of artist would say "no you're wrong about that, this
is what i meant to say". If an artist want to share his/her story with me
thats fine, but if they want to tell me that i'm not allowed to have my
impression of it then i just won't have the same respect for the art no matter
how great it is. Btw Bob. I have developed a personal idea about the meaning
of your Guardian Angel and i would love to hear your story behind it. I'm
curious now to know how different our ideas are.
JayZ755
>> troll.
>
>you're an argumentative troll. there, you've been called one anyway, now
>you have nothing to lose when replying
>
Thanks for completely devaluing the epithet "argumentative troll."
Jay
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Jamie
> great, thank you very much Marlon %$&#ing Brando)
he's the comic relief!
R H Menzel
> >If a piece of artwork is meant to communicate a specific idea, does it
> >negate personal opinion?
> >
> >-Bob
>
>
> It could. But what kind of artist would say "no you're wrong about that,
this
> is what i meant to say". If an artist want to share his/her story with me
> thats fine, but if they want to tell me that i'm not allowed to have my
> impression of it then i just won't have the same respect for the art no
matter
> how great it is.
This goes back to the argument: if art is communication, is it relevant if
it cannot express the intent?
And people may be wrong in interpretation because they see things through
their own experiences (while carrying their own baggage) and this may have
nothing to do with what they are viewing. Example: I created a sculpture
which I called "Passion". Only one person I talked to saw it as a rape
scene. She saw the woman as struggling to get away from the man. When it
was pointed out that the woman was pulling the man toward herself, my friend
still insisted that she was pushing. When i should her that there is no way
one can push with one's hands in the position my sculpted woman had, my
friend then stated, "She meant to push away!"
Btw Bob. I have developed a personal idea about the meaning
> of your Guardian Angel and i would love to hear your story behind it. I'm
> curious now to know how different our ideas are.
I'm going to send you a better jpeg (I hope) separately, since people might
complete about me taking up space or whatever the proper term is.
If you still have the same interpretation, let me know what it is. Then I'll
let you know my intent. Oddly enough, no one has seen it my way until after
I told them my intent.
R H Menzel
> >From: "R H Menzel" rhme...@brainlink.com
>
> >What kind of work do you do?
> >
>
> I used to write. And then i found the internet. Now i surf. God i need to
get a
> life again.
>
> >When I sculpt I have strong ideas of what I'm trying to say.
>
> I try to tell a story that hasn't been told before. I used to sit in my
english
> class and wonder if Steinbeck ever thought of the fact that millions of
> children would end up being tortured with his work.
I felt that way about Hemingway!
I really doubt it. I think
> he just meant to tell a good story.
>
> >On a certain level I agree with you. That's why Chinese (or African,
> >primitive, etc.) art is hung on our walls. Most of us really don't
> >understand the full meaning or purpose of an individual piece, but it
> >appeals to our senses.
>
> I post on a tattooing board that has this argument all the time. Why do
people
> want Kanji tattooed on them? because it looks cool. Who cares what it
means or
> what it really says to people.
Then is everything just fashion?
I do personally believe there is a line that can
> be crossed though as i have a friend who found it very disrespectful to
see a
> white person wearing a wedding dress from her culture as her daily wear.
Art was once important to culture. It may no longer have a purpose beyond
the commercial.
>
> >But, what if the artwork (or joke) is actually meant to convey something?
>
> Then hopefully the artist can manage to convey it to the audience in one
way or
> another. To me, knowing the story makes the art all the more enjoyable and
> beautiful. I saw a painting in a restaurant of a gas station and written
in
> the corner of the painting was a beautiful story about the owner of the
gas
> station. There are ways to get the story across if you want to.
In the old days an artist believed he could tell a story without words.
>
> >isn't the end purpose of a painting to
> >> appeal to people no matter what the reason?
> >
> >That is the subject of endless discussion.
>
> Heh. it certainly is. I love discussion though and new viewpoints.
Odd! I came to this ng to relax from my art related job. Now I'm embroiled
in more art discussions (although you are more coherent than most of the
people I deal with)!
R H Menzel
Jamie <jam...@REMOVEjamiel.fsnet.co.ukelele> wrote in message
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> > I would respond, but I'm afraid of being accused of being an
agrumentative
> > troll.
>
> you're an argumentative troll. there, you've been called one anyway, now
> you have nothing to lose when replying
>
> seriously though, if you're going to reply in the manner you seem to have
> been replying in this thread then go right ahead, i'd love to read your
> thoughts. however if you're going to conduct yourself the way you did in
> the Bob vs Chris thread then fine, i'd rather you didn't bother
You've started with the confrontational attitude you accuse me of having,
so...I think you have your answer!
Jamie
> agrumentative
> > > troll.
> >
> > you're an argumentative troll. there, you've been called one anyway,
now
> > you have nothing to lose when replying
> >
> > seriously though, if you're going to reply in the manner you seem to
have
> > been replying in this thread then go right ahead, i'd love to read your
> > thoughts. however if you're going to conduct yourself the way you did
in
> > the Bob vs Chris thread then fine, i'd rather you didn't bother
>
> You've started with the confrontational attitude you accuse me of having,
> so...I think you have your answer!
It was just my trademark wit!
You seem to have two approaches - incredibly tongue-in-cheek and pretty much
useless, or very serious leaving no room for anything resembling the
aforementioned tongue-in-cheek attitude on the other person's part. Can't
you find a happy medium? I have no hidden agenda here - I would love to
read a reply from you, and after all, wasn't it you who was calling people
morons etc in the Bob vs Chris thread? Reply if you want, I'd much rather
you did, but if you want to hold a grudge against me for absolutely nothing,
that's your decision.
R H Menzel
If I only have two approaches (useless and closed-minded), why would you
even want to discuss anything with me?
R H Menzel
Ryan W. Mead <ryanme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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But, now how does this relate to my original question?
R H Menzel
> >What kind of work do you do?
> >
>
> I used to write. And then i found the internet. Now i surf. God i need to
get a
> life again.
Just curious....why, and when, did you stop writing? And what kind of things
did you write (sci-fi, comedy, scientific journals, drama, dram-edy, sci-fi
comedy, scientific comedy, etc.)?
Weebil28
>people
>> want Kanji tattooed on them? because it looks cool. Who cares what it
>means or
>> what it really says to people.
>
>Then is everything just fashion?
Well i didn't mean to say that i agreed with that statement just that many
people feel that way. I would personally never have Kanji tattooed on me simply
because i am not Japanese. I am Greek and therefore the greek alphabet would
have more meaning to me. I'm not into body modification to be cool or impress.
I also don't care how many people tell me that Stephen King isn't a real writer
as i happen to enjoy his books and consider him to be a great writer.
>Art was once important to culture. It may no longer have a purpose beyond
>the commercial.
I think that if north american culture keeps going the way it is then one day
Jerry Springer will be crowned the King but as of right now there are still
people who can appreciate the cultural importance of art. I know nothing about
art but i love to learn and i don't go into museums simply because i don't have
anyone who can tell me about the art and teach me.
>In the old days an artist believed he could tell a story without words.
and then we go full cirlce to the fact that people are going to interpret in
their own way. lol
>Odd! I came to this ng to relax from my art related job. Now I'm embroiled
>in more art discussions (although you are more coherent than most of the
>people I deal with)!
heh. there is no escape. I do see the points that you are making though. I
enjoy being exposed to new and different viewpoints.
Weebil28
>did you write (sci-fi, comedy, scientific journals, drama, dram-edy, sci-fi
>comedy, scientific comedy, etc.)?
>
>
I didn't really stop. But then i suppose i never really started either. I used
to carry a notebook around at school and rather than pay attention in class, i
wrote. My problem was that i had ideas but wasn't mature enough to get them
down on the paper properly. I suppose i'm still stuck in that frame of mind
even ten years later. I've written Sci-fi, action. I stick to the stuff that
doesn't take a lot of intelligence to write.
>scientific comedy
Why do i keep getting a picture of Frink in my head?
R H Menzel
> >Just curious....why, and when, did you stop writing? And what kind of
things
> >did you write (sci-fi, comedy, scientific journals, drama, dram-edy,
sci-fi
> >comedy, scientific comedy, etc.)?
> >
> >
>
> I didn't really stop. But then i suppose i never really started either. I
used
> to carry a notebook around at school and rather than pay attention in
class, i
> wrote.
I use to draw in the margins of my notebook. (Thank you, Sergio Aragones!)
My problem was that i had ideas but wasn't mature enough to get them
> down on the paper properly.
I'm still not mature enough, but it doesn't stop me from trying.
I suppose i'm still stuck in that frame of mind
> even ten years later. I've written Sci-fi, action. I stick to the stuff
that
> doesn't take a lot of intelligence to write.
Aha! But have you ever read Clarke, Dick or Douglas Adams?
>
> >scientific comedy
>
> Why do i keep getting a picture of Frink in my head?
'Cause
Professor Frink, Professor Frink
He'll make you laugh , he'll make you think....
R H Menzel
> > Why do
> >people
> >> want Kanji tattooed on them? because it looks cool. Who cares what it
> >means or
> >> what it really says to people.
> >
> >Then is everything just fashion?
>
> Well i didn't mean to say that i agreed with that statement just that many
> people feel that way. I would personally never have Kanji tattooed on me
simply
> because i am not Japanese. I am Greek and therefore the greek alphabet
would
> have more meaning to me. I'm not into body modification to be cool or
impress.
> I also don't care how many people tell me that Stephen King isn't a real
writer
> as i happen to enjoy his books and consider him to be a great writer.
>
> >Art was once important to culture. It may no longer have a purpose beyond
> >the commercial.
>
> I think that if north american culture keeps going the way it is then one
day
> Jerry Springer will be crowned the King but as of right now there are
still
> people who can appreciate the cultural importance of art.
I just fear that they are a small minority, indeed.
I know nothing about
> art but i love to learn and i don't go into museums simply because i don't
have
> anyone who can tell me about the art and teach me.
You seem to have an open mind. Just go and sit down in the first room that
strikes your fancy. Then just enjoy and it all soak in. Remember: it won't
mean anything if it ain't fun!
>
> >In the old days an artist believed he could tell a story without words.
>
> and then we go full cirlce to the fact that people are going to interpret
in
> their own way. lol
Unless there's a common "language", which is the other side of that
argument.
>
> >Odd! I came to this ng to relax from my art related job. Now I'm
embroiled
> >in more art discussions (although you are more coherent than most of the
> >people I deal with)!
>
> heh. there is no escape. I do see the points that you are making though. I
> enjoy being exposed to new and different viewpoints.
It can actually be scary at times, but it's amazing what we may learn along
the way.
Weebil28
We are a small minority. I'm just too optimistic for my own good. I feel that
as long as at least two people are discussing art, it is still alive.
>Remember: it won't
>mean anything if it ain't fun!
true. I can spend hours in Angelo Rossi's shop just looking at the glass. and
there isn't anything to actually think about there since he mass produces
things like glasses and vases for the tourists. I guess that since the words
"what a beautiful brushstroke" will never ever come out of my mouth i think
that i'm not capable of art appreciation. I wouldn't recognize one brushstroke
from another.
Weebil28
>
You must have the same love/hate relationship with your work too then. One
minute i think i'm a genius and the next minute i think it's crap.
>Aha! But have you ever read Clarke, Dick or Douglas Adams?
actually no. recommend your favourite book to me and i'll look into it.
R H Menzel
Too often people will concentrate on "brushstrokes" and not see the greater
image.
R H Menzel
> >I'm still not mature enough, but it doesn't stop me from trying.
> >
>
> You must have the same love/hate relationship with your work too then. One
> minute i think i'm a genius and the next minute i think it's crap.
I love creating art, in general. But as far as working with the "artists" at
my job, I love to hate them.
>
> >Aha! But have you ever read Clarke, Dick or Douglas Adams?
>
> actually no. recommend your favourite book to me and i'll look into it.
Wow, favorites! This is reminiscent of the ending of Welles' "Time Machine".
That's a hard one!
Er......well....I guess I'll just mention the one's from each which appealed
to me the most.
Clarke - Childhood's End (For classic sci-fi)
Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (psychological sci-fi)
Adams - Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency (for well written humorous
sci-fi)
-Bob
Weebil28
>image.
I like you. You have a great attitude. (yes i really said that despite that
other thread with your name in it)
Weebil28
One of my favourite movies is Blade Runner and i've been meaning to find that
book forever. I might have to search harder now. Logan's Run is another one i
have been meaning to find for years now.
thanks for the suggestions.
R H Menzel
> >Too often people will concentrate on "brushstrokes" and not see the
greater
> >image.
>
> I like you. You have a great attitude.
Now, why can't everyone else see that?
R H Menzel
> >Dick - Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? (psychological sci-fi)
>
> One of my favourite movies is Blade Runner and i've been meaning to find
that
> book forever.
Bladerunner is based on "Androids...." but is much more involved. As a
matter of fact Dick would've been quite upset with the ending. But we should
discuss that after you read the book.
I might have to search harder now. Logan's Run is another one i
> have been meaning to find for years now.
Again, a much better book than the movie. Although, both movies are fun
none-the-less.
>
> thanks for the suggestions.
No problemo! I told you...I'm a sci-fi nut!
Weebil28
>
>Now, why can't everyone else see that?
You don't mean that. If everyone saw it, your life wouldn't be as entertaining.
Weebil28
>none-the-less.
Logan's Run was a childhood favourite of mine. I bought the DVD the other day
simply for the commentary track and i learned a lot...about the costume design.
I can't find an original version of Blade Runner though. I found that movie as
a teen after they had released the "directors cut" without the voice over. Ya
know, i wouldn't consider myself a sci fi nut but i suppose i am. Half of my
favourite movies are sci-fi AND I went to see the new Star Trek movie last
night. sigh, i'm a nerd, i'll just have to face it.
R H Menzel
> >Again, a much better book than the movie. Although, both movies are fun
> >none-the-less.
>
> Logan's Run was a childhood favourite of mine.
When it came out, it was state of the art! It's kitsch now, and in about 25
years they'll be college courses on the brilliance of this ground breaking
movie. My buddy has a DVD of it, and we watched it a few weeks back. For us,
it was nostalgic fun.
I bought the DVD the other day
> simply for the commentary track and i learned a lot...about the costume
design.
> I can't find an original version of Blade Runner though. I found that
movie as
> a teen after they had released the "directors cut" without the voice over.
I was disappointed in the director's cut because it only added scenes of
violence.
Ya
> know, i wouldn't consider myself a sci fi nut but i suppose i am. Half of
my
> favourite movies are sci-fi AND I went to see the new Star Trek movie last
> night.
I'm seeing with friends on the 29th, so I'm not listening to what anyone
says about it!
sigh, i'm a nerd, i'll just have to face it.
Well, remember this - Bill Gates was a nerd, and all of the cool guys in his
high school put together wouldn't equal his net worth.
Mercutio Jones
"R H Menzel" <rhme...@brainlink.com> wrote in message
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> When it came out, it was state of the art! It's kitsch now, and in about
25
> years they'll be college courses on the brilliance of this ground breaking
> movie. My buddy has a DVD of it, and we watched it a few weeks back. For
us,
> it was nostalgic fun.
I was mega-impressed by LR as a 12 year old, but the last time I watched it,
I couldn't help thinking that the vision of the future it contained was that
life would be one long trip to a mid-70's shopping mall.
I was also impressed in 1977 by the gratuitous breast shots. They don't put
boobies in PG movies anymore.
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R H Menzel
Mercutio Jones <lawt...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "R H Menzel" <rhme...@brainlink.com> wrote in message
> news:3dfb...@news.starnetinc.com...
>
> > When it came out, it was state of the art! It's kitsch now, and in about
> 25
> > years they'll be college courses on the brilliance of this ground
breaking
> > movie. My buddy has a DVD of it, and we watched it a few weeks back. For
> us,
> > it was nostalgic fun.
>
> I was mega-impressed by LR as a 12 year old, but the last time I watched
it,
> I couldn't help thinking that the vision of the future it contained was
that
> life would be one long trip to a mid-70's shopping mall.
For most people, that's what it seems to pretty much be now.
>
> I was also impressed in 1977 by the gratuitous breast shots. They don't
put
> boobies in PG movies anymore.
>
> --
The adorable Jennie Agutter in that outfit! 'Nough said!
Markc65
>as
>a teen after they had released the "directors cut" without the voice over.
Try ebay. If you have a laserdisc player, the Criterion LD version of the
original movie is still floating around. I found one at a bargain bin sale at a
video store a few years ago.
Markc65
>movie as
>> a teen after they had released the "directors cut" without the voice over.
>
>I was disappointed in the director's cut because it only added scenes of
>violence.
Before the "director's cut" was released, a UCLA grad presented the original
release print of the film in L.A. It had many interesting elements that are not
on the director's cut.
The opening title card was different, for example. Instead of the scrawling
words describing LA in 2017, a dictionary definition of the word replicant is
presented (including the slang word "skin-job"), with the date of publication.
I thought it was a much more clever way to establish the year, slang, and set
up of the film.
Roy Batty calls Tyrell "father" instead of "F**ker," and apologizes to
Sebastion before he eventually kills him off screen (which I wish they had kept
in the film, since a sympathetic character like Sebastion deserved at least an
apology).
The was also a little bit of narration, but not much. There was no scene of
Deckard's unicorn dream.
The only major flaw in this version of the film was some typical chase music
scored by Jerry Goldsmith during the climatic scenes between Roy and Deckard
towards the end of the movie. The music really changes the tone of those
scenes. The Vangelis (?) score is much better and moodier.
The reaction and interest in this nearly lost release print is what convinced
Warners to let Ridley Scott recut a director's version of the film.
Paul Hyett
Menzel <rhme...@brainlink.com> typed this -
>>
>> I was mega-impressed by LR as a 12 year old, but the last time I watched
>it,
>> I couldn't help thinking that the vision of the future it contained was
>that
>> life would be one long trip to a mid-70's shopping mall.
>>
>put
>> boobies in PG movies anymore.
>
>The adorable Jennie Agutter in that outfit! 'Nough said!
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Weebil28
>says about it!
Nemesis was way way better than the last two Star Trek movies.
>Well, remember this - Bill Gates was a nerd, and all of the cool guys in his
>high school put together wouldn't equal his net worth.
lol. Yeah so what? I'm a broke nerd.
Weebil28
>I couldn't help thinking that the vision of the future it contained was that
>life would be one long trip to a mid-70's shopping mall.
What can i say? i have a strange attraction to cheesy sci fi. I'm young enough
that when it first came out, watching Fright Night in the dark with my brother
when our parents were out of the house actually scared me.
Weebil28
>put
>> boobies in PG movies anymore.
>The adorable Jennie Agutter in that outfit! 'Nough said!
<snicker> boys and boobies. some things are predictable no matter how old you
get.
Weebil28
>original movie is still floating around.
Whats a laserdisc? lol. Thanks for the suggestion. I haven't looked for it in a
while and haven't even tried ebay yet.
Weebil28
>From: mar...@aol.com (Markc65)
this NG is getting me all nostalgic for times past. I think it was Vangelis'
version of the Blade Runner soundtrack that got me started on my new age music
phase in the mid 90's (i'm over it now)
R H Menzel
Hehehehehehehe! You said "boobies"!
R H Menzel
Vangelis and Kitaro were able to cross the "new age" line. I haven't
listened to either in a few years and wonder if they still hold up for me.
R H Menzel
Hmm! I think I'm going to have to work on that theory some more!
Weebil28
>listened to either in a few years and wonder if they still hold up for me.
My mom has my Yanni cd but i've got some Vangelis and Enigma here for you.
Haven't listened to Vangelis in a while but Enigma will always hold up for me.
Weebil28
>
>Hmm! I think I'm going to have to work on that theory some more!
Nah it's a good theory. I'm just a failure at being a nerd too.
whippythewit
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Weebil28
I'm sorry. Maybe if i start whining about how my opinions about my country are
more intelligent than Bob's, it'll be a more worthwhile thread.
whippythewit
bTW worthwhile not necessarily = on track
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