"Mom And Pop Art" Repeat Comments
Mike Smith
by himself, and with Mike Reiss. Episodes like "Lisa's Pony" (I perferred
the uncut version that appeared on home video over the syndication version),
"There's No Disgrace Like Home" (Mainly just for the electroshock melee),
that Shary Bobbins episode and my favorite, "Lisa's Sax". Tonight's repeat,
"Mom And Pop Art" is no exception. Isabella Rosselini is still a delightful
guest voice, but, Jasper Johns still stole the show.
Does anyone surprised about the writing on the wall at Robot Hell, on
tonight's repeat of the Season Finale of "Futurama"? "HS+MB"!? No wonder Fox
haven't repeated "Simpsons Bible Stories" yet! Surely beat no hot dogs, cole
slaw with pineapple and German potato salad (Even a pileful of Bart dolls
from last week's repeat-This is Emmy-Winning stuff right there! Mmm shorts)!
grosse
joke?
TenshiBaka <tensh...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Is it just me, or was that scene with the hostage ribbons or whatever it
was
> not in the show the first time it aired? It seemed new for some reason...
>
>
>
>
> -=Krispy=-
> What the heck ARE hostage ribbons anyhoo?
Darrel Jones
Am I the only one to notice how "Family-Guy"ish the first scene was?
Especially with the quick pans to jobs Homer hadn't done.
TenshiBaka
Adam W. Long
>tonight's repeat of the Season Finale of "Futurama"? "HS+MB"!? No wonder Fox
>haven't repeated "Simpsons Bible Stories" yet! Surely beat no hot dogs, cole
>slaw with pineapple and German potato salad (Even a pileful of Bart dolls
>from last week's repeat-This is Emmy-Winning stuff right there! Mmm shorts)!
Um, I'm not the kind of guy who likes to point out insignificant grammar and
spelling errors just for the sake of it, but can anyone make sense of this
paragraph?
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Adam W. Long
"Over a century without a signature quote"
Nathan
>Is it just me, or was that scene with the hostage ribbons or whatever it was
>not in the show the first time it aired? It seemed new for some reason...
You're right. I think it was removed the first time because the episode was
aired so soon after the American hostages were taken in Kosovo. Someone
mentioned something about a "hostage scene" earlier, and I guess that was it.
Nathan
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Dean Humphries
This was a great eps, while I watched it I thought of two things.
1. Repeats are OK, this one made me laugh as much as the first time I
saw it. Good comedy, writing are timeless and should be able to bring
a laugh more than the one time it's observed.
2. Season Ten, though not a particularly good season compared to past
ones, still has gems spread over it, this was a great eps. How many tv
shows do you know of that has a guest appearance from Jasper Johns?
The last place I expect to see Jasper Johns is commercial tv, a
brilliant stroke of casting.
Great moment: Homer shaving his back.
Great lines: Burns: Smithers, I think I'm in love......
Smithers: AH!
Burns: With this sculpture.
Millhouse: Everything is coming up Millhouse!
Jasper Johns: YOINK!
To all you people that complain and moan that OFF has slid downhill,
remember, the worst episode of the Simpsons is better than the best
episode of 99% of what's on tv.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, Split Pea with Ham!
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DarthArada
Especially with the quick pans to jobs Homer hadn't done.>
What's wrong with that? All three of them were hilarious.
grosse
pleasantly-suprising change from the "Maximum Homerdrive"-style crap-o-rama.
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Darrel Jones
DarthArada wrote in message
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><Am I the only one to notice how "Family-Guy"ish the first scene was?
>Especially with the quick pans to jobs Homer hadn't done.>
>
>What's wrong with that? All three of them were hilarious.
It isn't necessarily bad, just noteworthy. One could also call it fodder for
those who feel the current writers haven't been trying hard enough, or are
getting to unoriginal.
ChaiTheDog
>It isn't necessarily bad, just noteworthy. >One could also call it fodder for
those >who feel the current writers
Oh and since I never really reviewed this episode and hadn't seen it prior to
Sunday, I'll say this:
It was slightly above average for season ten. I laughed more at this
episode than many of the other ones this season. It still contained, however,
the same mayhem the rest of the S10 garbage had; out-of-this-world plot
contrivances, wacky, silly jokes that would be better in a cartoon, which The
Simpsons is rapidly becoming. I especially hated Homer's dream sequence in "Art
Land". And if the writers thought they were being sophisticated in teaching us
about art, they're wrong; Animaniacs has done this schtick back and front. They
take a little piece of history, skew it so that it does something silly, and
place Yakko, Wakko, and Dot inside. I remember one such episode where the
Warner Brothers (and the Warner Sister, of course) harassed Pablo Picasso,
painting surreal drawings of things playing a game of Pictionary; Picasso later
sells these drawings for millions of dollars. In another episode, they paint
the Sistine Chapel. It's not as funny when the Simpsons do it.
This episode is also guilty of the mean attitude of Homer, although
sometimes I think that the writers honestly don't think his behavior is wrong;
women haven't been shown in a very good light this season. We have Homer
dreaming of Marge doing heavy labor in "Viva Ned Flanders", Marge as a ditzy,
impulsive woman at the beginning of "Monty Can't Buy Me Love", and the same
occurance where Marge is angry at Homer's attitude but then accepts him for who
he is. Lisa also has become Homer's slave in this poorly characterized episode;
she accepted Homer for who he was in "Make Room for Lisa", when she should have
stood up for herself. I wonder how many of the current writers are married.
"MaPA" isn't as good as "I'm With Cupid", but I'd say it's better than
the less funny but with an equally stupid story "Old Man and the "C" Student",
and "Maximum Homerdrive". Will this episode get better in time? I wouldn't
know, but I don't think so. None of the similar episodes have. Season Ten Grade
(B+). Overall: D-. Some nice jokes though.
Crazy244
Simpsons is rapidly becoming"
Yeah, and what's with the actors skin becoming yellow and having only four
fingers? The Simpons should stick to drama...that's what they're good at.
(okay, I know what you meant, but it still sounded weird)
<<This episode is also guilty of the mean attitude of Homer, although
sometimes I think that the writers honestly don't think his behavior is
wrong;>>
When...in any season, was Homer a nice guy? I hate this constant "Homer
jerk-ass" complaints...that's why the character is so popular and funny, he's a
jerk but too stupid to realize it. I'll admit, this season there have been a
few segments where it was too much of a jerk). But I thought this episode
potrayed Homer perfectly. Would you rather him be a lovable intellectual?
ChaiTheDog
>jerk-ass" complaints...that's why the character is so popular and funny, he's
>a
>jerk but too stupid to realize it. I'll admit, this season there have been a
>few segments where it was too much of a jerk). But I thought this episode
>potrayed Homer perfectly. Would you rather him be a lovable intellectual?
Well, what I meant was, that, usually when he's a jerk, he makes it up to them
somehow, like exploiting Lisa's talent for picking good football teams, but
then accompanying her to Mt. Springfield in "Lisa The Greek". Or, bugging
Flanders but then standing up for him later. In this episode he makes Lisa do
backbreaking labor in the yard, and realizes that he has made Marge jealous,
but does not make any effort to understand why this is. He just accepts it as
fact and goes to sleep within seconds. A normal human being couldn't do these
things to people.
Then again, if it were funny, I wouldn't have minded. In "King-Size
Homer", Homer isn't really a human, he's a cartoon, but it's really funny so
that doesn't really matter. In "Mom and Pop Art", though, it seemed like the
writers thought that Homer making Lisa do his work for him was funny, and him
falling asleep when he should be consoling his wife was funny. But it wasn't.
And, more importantly, it was pointless. It would have been better if Homer had
had laid the concrete, made a total mess, then spilled all the materials. That
would have been funnier. And the story would have been much better if Homer
realized the reason Marge was jealous. Then Homer tries to cheer her up, but
fails of course. Marge then realizes that he at least cares, and the scene at
the end where they make up would have been more realistic. Frankly, if I were
Marge, I wouldn't have forgiven Homer at the end. She had no reason to.
Adam W. Long
>then accompanying her to Mt. Springfield in "Lisa The Greek".
Actually I thought what he did to Lisa in "Lisa the Greek" was much worse - he
was just using her to make money and really hurt her feelings which, if the
Simpsons were real people instead of a fictional animated family on a screen,
could do some damage psychologically. All he made her do here was some yard
work. I've done tough yard work. It's not that bad.
>and realizes that he has made Marge jealous,
>but does not make any effort to understand why this is. He just accepts it as
>fact and goes to sleep within seconds.
Well, he did have his reasons. He was just happy that after screwing up
everything he's ever done, people finally appreciate something that he's done.
I thought it ended well with Homer admitting that he was just a guy who
couldn't build a barbecue and acknowledges Marge as the real artist of the
family.
Crazy244
writers thought that Homer making Lisa do his work for him was funny, and him
falling asleep when he should be consoling his wife was funny. But it wasn't.>>
Ah, but here we get into an opinion argument that goes nowhere. I thought both
segments you mentioned were quite funny.
And I think Homer does make up for himself...he admitted to Marge that she was
the artist in the family. True, its not much but other then being cluelessly
insensitive he didn't really do anything at all to Marge. He simply took
advantage of the fact that people liked his art...what's wrong with that? And
the episode wasn't about Marge and Homer, that was just a subplot.
ChaiTheDog
>was
>the artist in the family.
Why couldn't he have done that earlier, when she was angry?
True, its not much but other then being cluelessly
>insensitive he didn't really do anything at all to Marge. He simply took
>advantage of the fact that people liked his art...what's wrong with that?
Well, when one sees that someone they love is disenchanted, they usually tend
to try to make them "enchanted" again. Like in "Some Enchanted Evening" or "The
Twisted World of Marge Simpson".
And
>the episode wasn't about Marge and Homer, that was just a subplot.
I think it would have been better if they touched on the tension Homer's
artistic success created more thoroughly instead of adding a lot of irrelevant
jokes. But, again, that's just an opinion. I didn't write the episode, so it
isn't in my jurisdiction to say what the episode should have been about.
ChaiTheDog
>he
>was just using her to make money and really hurt her feelings
That's true, but I've always thought that some of the meanest, cruelest things
you can do to people aren't illegal. Homer's selfishness in "Lisa the Greek"
was more subtle, more realistic, and more powerful. You can understand Lisa's
anger in that episode.
> All he made her do here was some yard
>work. I've done tough yard work. It's not that bad.
It's alright to have an eight year old lay cement for you? And it's in
character for Lisa to not object to this?
>Well, he did have his reasons. He was just happy that after screwing up
>everything he's ever done, people finally appreciate something that he's
>done.
>I thought it ended well with Homer admitting that he was just a guy who
>couldn't build a barbecue and acknowledges Marge as the real artist of the
>family.
Hm. Good point. I'll think about that the next time I see it.
m_j...@my-deja.com
noec...@aol.com (Adam W. Long) wrote:
> >like exploiting Lisa's talent for picking good football teams, but
> >then accompanying her to Mt. Springfield in "Lisa The Greek".
>
worse - he
All he made her do here was some yard
> work. I've done tough yard work. It's not that bad.
>
But remember when Apu did chores around the house to reconcile himself
with Homer after selling him spoiled meat, Homer said, "If he's done
Lisa's wood chopping,..." and made a fist. Remembering that do you
still feel that this is an example of Lisa (2nd-3rd grade girl) just
doing her fair share?
m_j...@my-deja.com
"Mike Smith" <mjs...@kskc.net> wrote:
> Isabella Rosselini is still a delightful
> guest voice, but, Jasper Johns still stole the show.
And just about everything else that wasn't nailed down.
Mike (J.)
Dean Humphries
>
>And just about everything else that wasn't nailed down.
YOINK!
"Oooo, they have the Internet on computers now!"
To respond, tear down the fort.
Adam W. Long
>with Homer after selling him spoiled meat, Homer said, "If he's done
>Lisa's wood chopping,..." and made a fist. Remembering that do you
>still feel that this is an example of Lisa (2nd-3rd grade girl) just
>doing her fair share?
>
I *think* it was a joke. I saw it and laughed at the notion that an 8 year old
girl was doing that kind of work. If she had broken her back or passed out or
something it wouldn't have been funny, but she turned out fine.
I've never laid cement before, but is it really that strenuous? What exactly
goes on in this process?
Mike K Erickson
>
>That's true, but I've always thought that some of the meanest, cruelest
things
>you can do to people aren't illegal. Homer's selfishness in "Lisa the
Greek"
>was more subtle, more realistic, and more powerful. You can understand
Lisa's
>anger in that episode.
Homer can be extremely cold... not only to Lisa as mentioned... but half the
time he doesn't even know Maggie's name... and even though he (Homer) does
it with the best of intentions to straighten out his son... choking Bart is
a terrible thing to do... no matter how bad Bart has been.
But then there's the good side of Homer.... the one who almost died to save
Bart (Homer's Phobia) or purchased Lisa's Sax instead of an Air Conditioner.
Somewhere in the middle of all this is the real Homer... although he's
getting dumber as the years pass
-Mike-
Patrick M
saying much, I know....), and what he did in Lisa the Greek was so beyond this.
The cement -laying was a throwaway gag at best, and his rationale was
outlandish, but heartfelt (He didn't go to Egypt and unearth the Mummy for
example).
Patrick McGovern
"No matter how wrong I can be, I'll still insist I'm right"
"I have one more question for you: Have you even seen the sun set at THREE
p.m.?"
"Arrr....once, when I was sailin' the arctic seas..."
m_j...@my-deja.com
ogrem...@aol.comRalphW (Patrick M) wrote:
> I couldn't disagree more. This was probably the most human Homer of
S10 (Not
> saying much, I know....), and what he did in Lisa the Greek was so
beyond this.
> The cement -laying was a throwaway gag at best, and his rationale was
> outlandish, but heartfelt (He didn't go to Egypt and unearth the
Mummy for
> example).
> Patrick McGovern
Patrick, but what about Lisa's woodchopping? (I didn't understand that
part about the Mummy. Weren't those in two other episodes, "Lisa's
Substitute", and the one where the find the Egyptian orb that turns
into a music box?)
Mike
TabbyKat85
chopping, but don't you remember the episode, "Make Room for Lisa"? Sure, he
had Lisa take the harsh antacids, but he made it up to her by taking her to
Karma-Sudicals.
Homer is mean to Lisa, but he [eventually] makes up for it.
And remember when he let Lisa take the bus to the museum? That's bad parenting.
But he made up for it by finding her. Of course, then he broke into the
museum... but then they discovered the Orb of Isis. So, if it wasn't for
Homer's bad parenting and jerkiness, they never would have found out about the
Orb of Isis being a music box
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ChaiTheDog
>chopping, but don't you remember the episode, "Make Room for Lisa"? Sure, he
>had Lisa take the harsh antacids, but he made it up to her by taking her to
>Karma-Sudicals.
>Homer is mean to Lisa, but he [eventually] makes up for it.
>
>
Not in "Mom and Pop Art", he didn't. And I didn't dislike "Make Room for Lisa"
because of the characterization, but for the stupid jokes-- Homer wiping his
mouth on the Declaration of Independence, the entire subplot involving Marge,
the all-too-short sibling rivalry scene, and, finally, the icing on the cake:
Homer's "trip" through Springfield.
>And remember when he let Lisa take the bus to the museum? That's bad
>parenting.
>But he made up for it by finding her. Of course, then he broke into the
>museum... but then they discovered the Orb of Isis. So, if it wasn't for
>Homer's bad parenting and jerkiness, they never would have found out about
>the
>Orb of Isis being a music box
What was wrong with Homer's character in "Lost our Lisa"? "LOL" (a fitting
acronym if there ever was one) was a great episode, and Homer wasn't a bad
parent as much as he was a stupid parent, which is what he had been in earlier
episodes. And the moral wasn't that being a jerk results in success (that was
"Homer's Enemy"), but that stupid risks sometimes lead to success.
Homer, usually (even in earlier episodes) is a bad parent. Many of the
jokes in many episodes in every season involve how awful a dad Homer is. "Blood
Feud" is, IMO one of the greatest episodes ever, and his exploitation of Bart
was just sickening. I guess that in earlier episodes, his meanness was funny.
But I don't find Homer throwing beer cans at Ned Flanders, forcing Lisa to lay
cement, or ignoring Marge when she's despondent (after admitting he knows it
too!) is funny in the least. All three of those scenes felt awkward and
gratuitous.
I guess if it's funny, it's okay for Homer to be a jerk, but if it seems
senseless and pointless, it isn't.
Mike K Erickson
TabbyKat85 wrote in message
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>Homer is mean to Lisa, but he [eventually] makes up for it.
>
>he broke into the
>museum... but then they discovered the Orb of Isis. So, if it wasn't for
>Homer's bad parenting and jerkiness, they never would have found out about
the
>Orb of Isis being a music box
>
They also would never havee been attacked by guard dogs at the end. Homer
is an OK parent at times (he is better than my dad was... but that's
something for my shrink to deal with). For every cruel thing he does to the
kids he makes up for it in the end.
-Mike-
Mike K Erickson
ChaiTheDog wrote in message
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"Blood
>Feud" is, IMO one of the greatest episodes ever, and his exploitation of
Bart
>was just sickening
I didn't think it was that bad. Bart did like the giant head he ended up
with....
-Mike-
ChaiTheDog
pretty shabby thing to do. Nonetheless, I really like that episode.
Darrel Jones
ChaiTheDog wrote in message
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>I think that making one's son donate blood so one can get a promotion is a
>pretty shabby thing to do.
Then it's probably for the better he didn't get one.