A final post from me...
DRD...@prodigy.net
will. -Eric
Anthony Regina <rvarz...@aol.comhatespam> wrote in message
news:19990828003226...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> I know that I have not posted very much and most of what I have post has
> offened the majority of you people in some way so, I would just like to
some up
> my opinion on the current state of the television program "The Simpsons"
and
> the state of this newsgroup as well. Keep in mind these are merely my
opinions
> so you don't have to agree with me and DO NOT FLAME ME FOR WHAT I BELIEVE
> alright?
>
> Here I go:
>
> To me the Simpsons has been a terrific and wonderful sitcom (if you can
call it
> that, most sitcoms are horrible) for me since it first came on the air
back in
> 1989 and I do not think it is any less funny now than it ever was. Now if
you
> would let me i would like to explain why I still love this program. The
series
> has just always been funny in my eyes, I can't explain it, it just has and
> still is. I can't see the problems that most of you guys seem to think is
> wrong with the show.
>
> Here now is the majority of my post since I can't explain any other way
why I
> still love the show, and i won't get through to you anyway. The problem
that I
> ahve with newgroup after lurking here for some time now is this....the
people
> here on this group seem to hate a program that they seem to harbor extreme
> hatred for. Now I understand that some of you have legitamate reasons for
> this,(I can't think of one,but hey.) So what I would just like to get off
my
> chest is this, why after 3 years of claiming the idiocy of the show do you
> still need to decry it? I would think after that long you do not meet the
> criteria for a *current* Simpsons fan. Keep in mind that I said current,
I am
> not saying that you were never a fan, merely you don't like the show in
its
> current state. Don't most of you people find something that fits your
fancy
> better now? i understand some people still like that show and think it
merely
> needs some tweaks, but I have found that most of you completely abhor the
show
> nowadays. Why don't these people leave?? I mean if you complaining about
the
> show for the first time I would understand it but there are some people
who
> have not liked it since season 7 or 8! GO AWAY! WE GET IT!! YOU DON'T
LIKE
> THE SHOW!!! DON'T LET IT RUIN YOUR LIFE, MAN!!!! Sorry I overreacted.
> Seriously though, if you only like older episodes why not stop talking
about
> the new ones and why you hate them? I think I have a great idea actually,
> start a newsgroup called alt.tv.simpson-older-episodes or something along
those
> lines, there you guys can whine and complain about how much better the
show
> used to be and live in the past, and the *current* fans, yes even the ones
who
> wanna only tweal the show, and actually hear some positive remarks for
once.
>
> I am sorry if I offended anyone with this but I think it NEEDED to be said
and
> I feel better for it. This will be my last post here unless someone
relies to
> this.
>
> Good-day
>
> "God bless those pagans!"
Ondre Lombard
>
> Here now is the majority of my post since I can't explain any other way why I
> still love the show, and i won't get through to you anyway. The problem that I
> ahve with newgroup after lurking here for some time now is this....the people
> here on this group seem to hate a program that they seem to harbor extreme
> hatred for.
Hatred? It's disappointment on this end. Disappointment in the way
it is. As far as it being the same as it always was, that is simply not true.
Many people who work on the show now likely have tenuous knowledge of the way
the show used to be, or the show -- period (Ian Maxtone-Graham certainly
has to be representative of *some* percentage of writers on the
staff, WRT, limited series knowledge) and ever since the mass exile of all of
the first four seasons writer's, you've never heard anyone speak of
Simpsons' original vision to probe the inner lives and emotional side of the
characters. No one on the staff tends to talk about anything besides how
much fun writing for it is, and how Simpsons can parody anything, and how
funny it can be.
The David Mirkin-era, as the fifth and sixth seasons are so-called,
*was* indeed acknowledged as an exceptionally zany (and therefore, different)
and sometimes unfaithful direction the series had not before taken. For
better of for worse, that's relative, many people will tell you the show is
not the way it used to be. There is a difference.
> Now I understand that some of you have legitamate reasons for
> this,(I can't think of one,but hey.) So what I would just like to get off my
> chest is this, why after 3 years of claiming the idiocy of the show do you
> still need to decry it? I would think after that long you do not meet the
> criteria for a *current* Simpsons fan. Keep in mind that I said current, I am
> not saying that you were never a fan, merely you don't like the show in its
> current state.
When people (such as myself) continually decry the series for its
(IMO) radical change in direction, at least I tend to look for debates on
perspectives. It's interesting to discuss every aspect of Simpsons, whether
it be good or bad. A lot of insight can be derived even from the constantly
unwavering disgust with the current product. I feel that it's not a waste of
time because I love these characters. They've inspired me in several several
ways over the past 12 years that I've been watching. It's not like something
that gets boring, and therefore, I stop watching it. It's like watching an
unaware loved one descend into an extremely unfavorable change in character
and there's nothing you seem to be able to do about it. To me, it seems worth
discussing and postulating about.
> Don't most of you people find something that fits your fancy
> better now?
There's plenty of better things out there besides Simpsons right now,
that still won't change what Simpsons has done for so many people -- beyond
make them laugh for 22 minutes every week.
> Seriously though, if you only like older episodes why not stop talking about
> the new ones and why you hate them? I think I have a great idea actually,
> start a newsgroup called alt.tv.simpson-older-episodes or something along those
> lines, there you guys can whine and complain about how much better the show
> used to be and live in the past, and the *current* fans, yes even the ones who
> wanna only tweal the show, and actually hear some positive remarks for once.
I think it's cruel of you to equate genuine disappointment with
something that has meant as much as Simpsons has to some people with "whining
and complaining." By the same token, people of my sort could say that people
who are blind enough to think that Simpsons hasn't changed at all in 11 years
are gullible sheep with little creative expertise and therefore will accept
happily everything they're given by the writers.
But on the other hand, I suppose you are right in a way. Those who
dislike the show that much currently could do more talk about the show in its
Golden Age. There's probably a lot to talk about there, but I don't often see
it. (That's certainly all the group will be good for whenever that
chronological era is that Simpsons finally goes off the air.)
Still. When you really look at it -- sit any person down and make
them watch a marathon of season two episodes, and then the next day, make them
watch a marathon of Season Ten episodes and it will be obvious to the naked
eye how much the show has gradually changed. Again, for better of for
worse? That'd be up to them to decide.
Ondre J. Lombard * olom...@lombard.dialup.cyberverse.com *
S1.2 OFF+++ LIS++> BOB++ TEE++ f+++ - Always remember that you're never
n+ w ; 7G11, 7F07, 7F12, 8F06, 8F08 - alone when you're a schizophrenic.
9F11, 2F15, 3F22, 5F17, 5F18 ; M17 - "Poughkeepsie."
"Sometimes the only way you can feel good about yourself is by making
someone else feel bad. And I'm tired of making other people feel
good about themselves."
Anthony Regina
my opinion on the current state of the television program "The Simpsons" and
the state of this newsgroup as well. Keep in mind these are merely my opinions
so you don't have to agree with me and DO NOT FLAME ME FOR WHAT I BELIEVE
alright?
Here I go:
To me the Simpsons has been a terrific and wonderful sitcom (if you can call it
that, most sitcoms are horrible) for me since it first came on the air back in
1989 and I do not think it is any less funny now than it ever was. Now if you
would let me i would like to explain why I still love this program. The series
has just always been funny in my eyes, I can't explain it, it just has and
still is. I can't see the problems that most of you guys seem to think is
wrong with the show.
Here now is the majority of my post since I can't explain any other way why I
still love the show, and i won't get through to you anyway. The problem that I
ahve with newgroup after lurking here for some time now is this....the people
here on this group seem to hate a program that they seem to harbor extreme
hatred for. Now I understand that some of you have legitamate reasons for
this,(I can't think of one,but hey.) So what I would just like to get off my
chest is this, why after 3 years of claiming the idiocy of the show do you
still need to decry it? I would think after that long you do not meet the
criteria for a *current* Simpsons fan. Keep in mind that I said current, I am
not saying that you were never a fan, merely you don't like the show in its
current state. Don't most of you people find something that fits your fancy
better now? i understand some people still like that show and think it merely
needs some tweaks, but I have found that most of you completely abhor the show
nowadays. Why don't these people leave?? I mean if you complaining about the
show for the first time I would understand it but there are some people who
have not liked it since season 7 or 8! GO AWAY! WE GET IT!! YOU DON'T LIKE
THE SHOW!!! DON'T LET IT RUIN YOUR LIFE, MAN!!!! Sorry I overreacted.
Seriously though, if you only like older episodes why not stop talking about
the new ones and why you hate them? I think I have a great idea actually,
start a newsgroup called alt.tv.simpson-older-episodes or something along those
lines, there you guys can whine and complain about how much better the show
used to be and live in the past, and the *current* fans, yes even the ones who
wanna only tweal the show, and actually hear some positive remarks for once.
I am sorry if I offended anyone with this but I think it NEEDED to be said and
Dean Humphries
>relies to
>> this.
>Wow, I couldn't have said it better :) I love the show and always
>will. -Eric
>Anthony Regina
Does this mean you'll stay?
Hey! Spumco has come out with a new cartoon that's a update on Yogi Bear called
Ranger Smith. The Cartoon Network shows it Friday September 24th at 10:30 PM.
http://www.spumco.com/rangersmith/index.html
To respond, tear down the fort.
Anthony Regina
>
Well, if there are other people who feel the same way about the show that I do,
I guess I will stay. You won't hear me complain about negative posts anymore
though, unless I am needed.
"God bless those pagans!"
Dave Hall
> I know that I have not posted very much and most of what I have
> post has offened the majority of you people in some way so, I
> would just like to some up my opinion on the current state of the
> television program "The Simpsons" and the state of this newsgroup
> as well. Keep in mind these are merely my opinions so you don't
> have to agree with me and DO NOT FLAME ME FOR WHAT I BELIEVE
> alright?
Anthony, IMHO I think you're taking all the negative opinions on
this newsgroup just a tad too seriously.
Fans of the show have been complaining about "how worst" the show has
become since about the fifth season -- and even before that, in the
third and fourth seasons, commenting on how such and such episode was
the "worst ever."
I use to post the following document to a.t.s. whenever this
discussion came up. :-)
** Note the dates in all the articles**
THE ZEN OF ALT.TV.SIMPSONS V2.0
=============================================================================
THE ZEN OF ALT.TV.SIMPSONS
version v2.0
``Please, Dad, this argument humiliates us both.''
- Lisa Simpson
Compiled by
Dave Hall (dave...@cyberspc.mb.ca)
(last update 05-Jan-96)
=============================================================================
OTHER READING..,
The Ranter's Guide To Alt.Tv.Simpsons
Contact: Dave Hall (dave...@cyberspc.mb.ca)
The A.T.S. Rant Form
Contact: Benjamin J. Robinson (bj...@fn3.freenet.tlh.fl.us)
The a.t.s Drinking Game
Contact: Dale G. Abersold (sl...@cc.usu.edu)
The alt.tv.simpsons FAQ (LISA)
Contact: f...@snpp.com (mail server)
A Primer on How to Work With the Usenet Community
(posted to the news.answers newsgroup)
Answers to Frequently Asked Questions about Usenet
(posted to the news.answers newsgroup)
Emily Postnews Answers Your Questions on Netiquette
(posted to the news.answers newsgroup)
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COURTESY OF THE ALT.TV.SIMPSONS FAQ...
1.7 Topics That Tend To Go Nowhere
--- ------------------------------
As with most newsgroups, certain threads have been beaten to death. These
issues generally revolve around topics that are based on individual
interpretations of the evidence presented. As such, there are no set
answers, and a large percentage of the readers have either already made
up their minds on the subject, or has bombarded with the topic before.
- Favorite Quotes
- Favorite Episodes
- [insert episode name here] is the Best Episode Ever.
- [insert episode name here] is the Worst Episode Ever.
- [insert character here] Sucks.
- [insert season number here] was the Best Season Ever.
- [insert season number here] was the Worst Season Ever.
- Character development is better than cheap gags.
- Reality vs. Surrealism
- If you don't like the way the show is headed, then stop watching it.
- Smithers is gay/straight/bi
- [insert character here] shot (or should have shot) Mr. Burns.
- Dr. Marvin Monroe and/or Hans Moleman are dead/not dead
Please remember that these topics also tend to generate strong emotional
feelings by people on all sides of the argument, and to approach these
threads with care should you desire to discuss them. (See Sec 2.1, Sec
3.2)
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PEOPLE WHO RANT
The alt.tv.simpsons newsgroup has always had people complaining about
episodes, from as far back is the first season. Every episode is not
without its critics. The following is a selection of comments from posters
from '91 to '93.
Stephen C. Miller:
Re: [8F06] Lisa's Pony (preliminary capsule)
Date: 8 Nov 91 20:39:24 GMT
A really mediocre episode, especially coming on the tail of last week's
primo episode. I feel like there is the Simpsons I know and love, and
then there is its evil twin. The Simpsons I know and love is really
cynical and political and nihilist and so forth. The evil twin thinks
ponies are cute.
[snip]
David Hyatt:
Re: Spinal Tap / Otto episode: review/dyns
Date: 24 Apr 92 07:08:31 GMT
Bleagh. Not a great episode. Actually, one of the worst this season.
[snip]
John R. Donald:
Re: I&STM
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 1992 20:28:47 GMT
Alan J Rosenthal writes:
>Wow, what an intense episode. ... I didn't know it was
>going to be so cool so I didn't take notes. Anyway......
Intense? I thought this was easily the worst episode ever. Simply not
funny.
[snip]
Jennifer Mery:
Re: Halloween: Tatupu, PIs, and condoms (Treehouse of Horror III)
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 92 00:47:52 GMT
Well it was the only time I remember being bored when watching the
Simpsons. I guess "Homer at Bat" could be considered worse, since it was
a whole episode, but I still think "The Raven" was the dullest.
[snip]
James Morse:
Re: marge gets a job, or whatever it's called
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1992 22:24:41 GMT
After the episode, I thought this was the worst one to date. But, after
reading some posts, I remember some really good moments; like the Curies
and Homer thinking of retirement. The ending was confusing and weak
though so I have to say this episode was the worst so far this year.
[snip]
Joe Finete:
Re: Colonel Homer
Date: 30 Mar 92 06:52:28 GMT
Overall, this episode sucked.
[snip]
JT:
Re: Marge v. the Monorail
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1993 22:44:41 GMT
I thought this episode was the worst of the season -- I only had a couple
of big laughs, while I usually have lots more.
[snip]
syracurg:
Re: Bigger Brother episode
Date: 6 Feb 93 00:25:17 GMT
Well, it finally happened - a less than mediocre episode of The Simpsons.
The Bigger Brother episode had a few (very few) good one liners, but the
plot, on the whole, was pretty boring.
[snip]
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PEOPLE WHO RANT ABOUT PLOT-DRIVEN STORIES
Going on some of the comments on this newsgroup in the past four years,
I'm incline to think some people are equating "plot driven" to "boring" or
rather, found "plot driven" stories to be boring/dull.
Fearless Freep:
Re: Comments from a lurker...
Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 05:32:09 GMT
Is it just me or have this seasons Simpsons episodes been pretty
boring. It seems to me that the writers are concentrating more on big
thick plots and less on making the show funny. If we want big plots
we'll watch ER, if we want pointless senseless, yet great humour, well
I watch Simpsons!
[...]
Peter J. Lima:
Re: worst Episodes?
Date: 29 Mar 1996 22:58:42 GMT
Maybe we can agree on the worst episodes too.
I find the really old ones kinda dull by comparison to the new ones,
'cause there's not as much going on (too plot-oriented and not enough
visual jokes and innuendoes, plus Homer is just too MEAN in the old
episodes, sorta like Archie Bunker)
[...]
MrBelvedre:
Re: TECHNO-POP MUSIC THAT GERMAN GUY WAS LISTENING TO!!!!!
Date: 9 May 1996 05:39:03 -0400
Whatever it was, it was God-awful. Hearing that music was really one of
the few bright spots in an otherwise boring episode...too much plot for
my taste. I liked the 22 vignettes personally. It moved along real
quickly. I hardly had a achance to stop laughing at one vignette before
I was bombarded with another one.
[...]
John Sullivan:
Re: New Epsiodes Suck III
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:07:00
[...] I think the writers are getting too concerned with making the
plots meaningful or something, with, God help me, heartwarming endings.
Every other damn show on the air has heartwarming endings. That why I
got hooked on the Simpsons, so I don't have to watch that crap. (It's
still the best show on TV, though. It's just not as good as it was.)
[...]
Brian Zeiler:
Re: TOH VII disapointment
Date: 29 Oct 1996 16:30:08 -0700
I don't understand why some people are bashing the first episode. I
didn't think it was as good as a few of the previous Halloweens, but
some of the parts sure were hilarious. Who cares if the Genesis bit
didn't get resolved? I watch the Simpsons for the satire and for the
one-liners, not for the plot development.
[...]
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WORDS OF WISDOM
Criticizism has always been part of this newsgroup, even more so in the
past five years. My personal advice for newcomers is to ignore the
negative aspects of this newsgroup and/or simply put what you can't deal
with in your kill files.
Brendan Dunn:
There is no single episode that the vast majority can pick out as
absolutely terrible without someone stepping in to defend that episode.
While not everyone likes every episode, there hasn't yet been an episode
that is universally reviled.
[Date 02 Apr 94]
James A. Cherry:
This newsgroup has never blindly celebrated OFF. There has always been
criticism, and what better place for it? It's a place for discussing the
Simpsons, not mindlessly praising the Simpsons.
[Date 7 Sep 94]
Scott Fujimoto:
It's a waste of time to attack someone who hated an episode you liked
(or vice-versa). After lurking on this newsgroup for a while, I
realized that people had a wide range of opinions on what is "funny," so
I tend to just state my opinion and accept the opinions of those who I
disagree with.
[Date 6 Mar 95]
Evan Cohen:
I was under the impression that the point of newsgroups was to have an
exchange of information and OPNIONS [...] Sometimes not everyone has the
same opinion. Sometimes they DIFFER. Now imagine a newsgroup where
EVERYONE had the same opinion. Pretty boring eh?
[Date 29 Jun 95]
Brad Lascelle:
[...] judging by the threads you see on this newsgroup after each new
episode, one would think that most people are at least somewhat
disappointed with EVERY new episode, and that Matt Groening and FOX
should have cancelled the series a few years ago. There's always some
tension in this newsgroup, or any newsgroup, for that matter. It comes
with the territory. You can't please 100% of the people, 100% of the
time. You do your best, and hope that's enough.
I think a LOT of the people on here expect sterling, top-notch episodes
each week, and if you're expecting perfection, you're naturally going
to be disappointed. There are some people on here who prefer
character-driven stories like "Lisa's Substitute" and others who prefer
non-stop hilarity and laughs like "Deep Space Homer"... even quality
eps like "Lisa's Wedding" don't hit their mark with every Simpson fan
out there. It's just a fact of human nature.
[Date 22 Sep 95]
David Kathman:
Every single new episode, no matter how good, gets brutally attacked by
at least some people in this newsgroup. And every week, several people
seem to post things like "This was the worst Simpsons ever! This used
to be a funny show, but now it sucks!", and these occasionally flare up
into flame wars between the "New Simpsons suck"/"Simpsons are as good
as ever" crowds. I got involved in a few of those discussions, but now
they've gotten old and I mostly just ignore them. Everyone's entitled
to an opinion, and among the thousands of posters to this newsgroup,
there are obviously going to be differences of opinion.
[Date 28 Sep 95]
Patrick Hayden:
After reading the daily debate about the quality of the show, about
which season was worse, this years or last years, and the constant
bickering from all sides that accompanies each new episode this year,
it is now obvious to me that there will never be any resolution to
these debates. There will never be any compromise. There will never be
any common ground. People will continue to flame others whose opinions
they disagree with. It seems that the show's quality brings out a huge
emotional response from everyone concerned, and they get angry about
it. There is absolutely no respect for anyone elses opinion, and with
no respect there can be no meaningful debate, and all these posts are
pontless. Now, I realize that opinion bascially drives all the posts
made to this group, but for God's sake, could we please treat each
other with just a little respect hear. You can have other opinions,
and pleae, post them, as all ideas brought here can further everyone's
understanding of the issues at hand, but don't become petty and take
potshots at people who'se opinions you don't agree with, such as
attacking the persons style of prose or spelling ability. If they make
an obvious factual error, be polite with them, don't call them idiots.
Cut them some slack, and show you have some maturity. Sorry to preach
like this, but sometimes these things just need to be said.
[Date 28 Mar 96]
Jennifer Blaske:
Beans Baxter wrote:
> My my my, what a bunch of whining mewling dilitantes we have here.
> Such indignation when an episode doesn't live up to the lofty
> expectations of such a high brow crowd! [...rest of rant deleted]
[...] why would you get mad at someone just because they didn't enjoy an
episode? The reviews are what makes this NG interesting. If no one wrote
anything but, "The Simpsons rule!" it would be pretty boring.
Are we not allowed to say what jokes, or whole eps, we didn't find
funny??
[Date 12 Nov 96]
Dale G. Abersold:
I don't think anyone on this newsgroup considers him- or herself the
ultimate arbiter of quality humor. [...]
We all want each weeks episodes to become a new classic, to join the
ranks of such classic episodes as "Lisa's Substitute" and "(insert your
favorite episode title here)." Occasionally there is a classic: last
season's "Bart on the Road" and "Summer of 4 Ft. 2," for instance
(IMHO). One doesn't "relax" while watching the Simpsons: you don't
turn off your brain while watching it. It isn't "TGIF," you know.
Finally, regarding the newsgroups as viewer feedback for the writers:
I think alt.tv.simpsons is an excellent source of good criticism.
Reviewers of the show such as Don Del Grande, Matthew Kurth, Aaron
Varhola, and Benjamin J. Robinson (to name just a few) provide
constructive criticism, explaining how they think the show can be
improved. [...]
[Date 3 Dec 96]
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OPINIONS SUCK...
by Terry Hall (no relation :)
I remember the first time I read the postings on this news group and I
thought I had found heaven because there are other people out there who
like the Simpsons - a lot. I was able to read through all 80 - 90
messages within half-an-hour. Now, I look at the list of posts and see
hundreds of people with opinions.
What is the purpose of exposing one's own opinion? There must be many
other people like me who do not care to get involved in conversations
regarding other people discussing there opinion. It is obvious there is
no reason to post a message regarding another person's opinion because it
is a waste of time. Everyone has there own sense of humour and some
people will find some things funny whereas other people will not find the
same scene as funny. Eventually you might get a couple of people arguing
over whether or not Smither's is black or white in the Original 13. These
are the types of posts I could care less about because each person feels
there opinion is right.
Therefore, according to the "Rule of Opinion", all opinions are wrong.
"But how can this be?", you may ask because you may feel that somehow
Smither's is not gay (in such a case I would ask you to provide proof
because Smithers is the biggest Blow Torch on the show). Although, it is
my opinion that Smither's is gay, I am wrong because someone else will say
I'm wrong while I think their opinion is wrong. I am sick of seeing
people comment back and forth saying who is more wrong or what theory is
more wrong because they are right.
Some people may choose to read this and say "If you don't like opinions
then don't read the opinionated posts."
That is not my problem because I don't read them anyways. I don't like to
page through the list of posts looking for something that might actually
be interesting to read. The one person on this newsgroup who can actually
call themself the #1 Simpson fan would be Dave Hall. He can be called the
#1 fan because he is one of the few people who does not take his opinion
as fact and merely,
*** provides information for his beliefs *** (a LOT of information).
Some people may feel the need to get angry or all twisted over this
message because:
1) It was too long.
2) They just don't care
3) or "think" I should keep my opinion to myself.
If someone chooses 3, then I think you should keep your opinion to
yourself as well.
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Dave Hall (dave...@cyberspc.mb.ca) <http://www.cyberspc.mb.ca/~davehall/>
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Bud
bit. I just wish people could express their thoughts in less than 100000
words. Something like, yes, the Simpsons has changed over the years, and the
last season was probably the patchiest so far, but it's still funny,
goddamn! (the end).
Elmer Pintar
Elmer Pintar
grosse
will continue to increase in number until one day, around 2002, this entire
newsgroup will collapse in on itself under the weight of negative reviews
for "last Sunday's episode."
AlexJ33106
>still love the show, and i won't get through to you anyway. The problem that
I
>ahve with newgroup after lurking here for some time now is this....the people
>here on this group seem to hate a program that they seem to harbor extreme
>hatred for.
There's a difference between having an extreme hatred for a current season than
the entire series in general.
Besides, I doubt anyone here _hates_ a Simpsons season. They are just let down
by it's crappiness, perhaps.
> Now I understand that some of you have legitamate reasons for
>this,(I can't think of one,but hey.)
Well, you must not read all the intelligent posts made by other people on this
board who state reasons why they dislike the last few years of OFF. But, hey.
> So what I would just like to get off my
>chest is this, why after 3 years of claiming the idiocy of the show do you
>still need to decry it? I would think after that long you do not meet the
>criteria for a *current* Simpsons fan. Keep in mind that I said current, I am
>not saying that you were never a fan, merely you don't like the show in its
>current state.
Older fans have as much a right to discuss the program here as newer fans.
>Don't most of you people find something that fits your fancy
>better now? i understand some people still like that show and think it merely
>needs some tweaks, but I have found that most of you completely abhor the
>show
>nowadays. Why don't these people leave??
Why should we? I never post long rants asking for folks who like season ten to
leave.
> I mean if you complaining about the
>show for the first time I would understand it but there are some people who
>have not liked it since season 7 or 8! GO AWAY! WE GET IT!! YOU DON'T >LIKE
>THE SHOW!!! DON'T LET IT RUIN YOUR LIFE, MAN!!!!
This is a newsgroup for discussion. Some of the discusion is positive, some is
negative, but it's at least discussed by OFF fans of some sort.
> Sorry I overreacted.
>Seriously though, if you only like older episodes why not stop talking about
>the new ones and why you hate them? I think I have a great idea actually,
>start a newsgroup called alt.tv.simpson-older-episodes or something along
those
>lines, there you guys can whine and complain about how much better the show
>used to be and live in the past, and the *current* fans, yes even the ones who
>wanna only tweal the show, and actually hear some positive remarks for once.
IMO, that's an awful idea. Like I said, "older fans have much a right to post
here as newer fans". You don't like seeing messages made by people who hate
season ten. So what? That's no reason to force 'em all out of here and shove
them into their own ng where they won't disturb the folks who like OFF's
current performance.
>I am sorry if I offended anyone with this but I think it NEEDED to be said and
>I feel better for it. This will be my last post here unless someone relies to
>this.
I replied to it. Stay. Just act more rational next time.
>Good-day
You used my word ;) ! Good-day.
-Alex(The #2 Simpsons/Transformers Fan)
Evil-Dead
why I
still love the show, and i won't get through to you anyway. >>
You can't explain why you like it, and I CAN explain why I hate it. I
win.
<<Keep in mind that I said current, I am not saying that you were never
a fan, merely you don't like the show in its current state.>>
I dunno, maybe when I save enough for that lobotomy I've been meaning to
get, then I'll like it.
<Don't most of you people find something that fits your fancy better
now?>
Yes, Dr. Katz is a freaking great show.
<Why don't these people leave??>
This is a problem in most newsgroups, especially in the Metallica NG
where the most prominent posters have no interest in Metallica at all.
The common answer is the word "fan" is nowhere in "alt.tv.simpsons".
This is a forum for discussion on the show, wether it is praise or
criticism. I, for one, find the latter a lot more intersting.
<<Sorry I overreacted. Seriously though, if you only like older
episodes why not stop talking about the new ones and why you hate them?
>>
You ever think some people ENJOY tearing down a show? It is quite fun.
You should try it.
<<I think I have a great idea actually,
start a newsgroup called alt.tv.simpson-older-episodes or something
along those
lines, there you guys can whine and complain about how much better the
show
used to be and live in the past, and the *current* fans, yes even the
ones who
wanna only tweal the show, and actually hear some positive remarks for
once.>>
Nah, that's okay.
Dean Humphries
>Thra...@aol.com
>You ever think some people ENJOY tearing down a show? It is quite fun.
>You should try it.
I proudly bestow on you troll status. Wear it in good health.
Evil-Dead
let down
by it's crappiness, perhaps.>>
Don't speak for everyone, I hate, hate, hate, HATE, HATE season 10. Let
me help you gain perpesctive on my burning hatred for this season.
If, by some act of the devil, or spooky voodoo magic, Season 10 was
transformed into a humanoid, and I saw it walking down the street, I
wouldn't hesitate for a nano-second stabbing it in the face 600 times,
burning the corpse, and shooting the remains to the sun in a rocket
ship.
ChaiTheDog
>>You should try it.
>
>I proudly bestow on you troll status. Wear it in good health.
>
>
Actually, I tend to agree mostly with what Evil-Dead says. It's just the
"pungent" nature of his posts that gets to me. He's got some good ideas, but
they are obscured almost entirely by his piquant phrasing of them.
Dean Humphries
>>>You should try it.
Well, when someone posts that he most enjoys tearing a show down, to me that
means he comes around here only to denigrate the show. What has he ever posted
positive about the Simpsons?
Here is the definition of Troll, according to Usenet:
An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious
arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in
email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion.
Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning
about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and
as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh,
ignore him, he's just a troll."
Ondre Lombard
> Here is the definition of Troll, according to Usenet:
> An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious
> arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in
> email for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion.
> Trolls are recognizable by the fact that the have no real interest in learning
> about the topic at hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly
> creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and
> as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh,
> ignore him, he's just a troll."
A troll doesn't necessarily have to be negative. A troll on the most
basic level is someone who posts anything for no other reason than to get an
excited reaction. It could be someone posting ridiculously good news that a
gullible person would fall for, or it could be what you say. Either way,
getting people worked up over something, whether it be negatively or
positively, is the purpose of a troll.
Anthony Regina
reading all these responses from little old me, you are rigth I will still post
and I will be more rational from now on, I just happen to think that the show
HAS changed too, its just that I think it is still good. From now on I will
not force other people to see my own opinion on the series or its fans. From
now on I will not even comment on sumpin' i think is negative.
"God bless those pagans!"
ChaiTheDog
>not force other people to see my own opinion on the series or its fans. From
>now on I will not even comment on sumpin' i think is negative.
>"God bless those pagans!"
That's not right either. You can and SHOULD force other people to see your
opinion, but you shouldn't force other people to believe your opinion. "I'm
right and you're wrong" is a perfectly valid opinion, but "I'm right and you're
wrong, so go away" isn't.