John????? (Spoilers for the 2/22 final episode)
Userb3
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> As for the ending, I hate that they turned Petrovsky into such an ass,
??? Are you kidding? Carrie was the ass!
> one who ruined her party and left her sitting and waiting,
Puh-leeeze! "left her sitting?" It was a MAJOR exhibition for Petrovsky -
and one she's known about and ignored for months. Carrie should have shown
some level of interest instead of sitting and pouting when all the
attention was on someone else!
> and then
> slapping her like that.
It was an accident.
DLM
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She asked him to involve her more in his work, but he was having none of it.
Besides, that night was just the showing for the gallery people themselves.
You'd think he'd be anxious to have Carrie see it also, but he didn't
encourage her to be a part of the night at all once he got over his
insecurities.
--Deb--
Userb3
news:0Yf_b.68418$jH.5...@twister.tampabay.rr.com:
>> Puh-leeeze! "left her sitting?" It was a MAJOR exhibition for
>> Petrovsky - and one she's known about and ignored for months. Carrie
>> should have shown some level of interest instead of sitting and
>> pouting when all the attention was on someone else!
>
> She asked him to involve her more in his work, but he was having none
> of it. Besides, that night was just the showing for the gallery people
> themselves. You'd think he'd be anxious to have Carrie see it also,
> but he didn't encourage her to be a part of the night at all once he
> got over his insecurities.
If she loves the man she shouoldn't need to be encouraged. She should
have been at his side while he was receiving his accolades. I still think
she came off like a spoiled litte girl who can't stand for someone else
to be in the spotlight.
And, FWIW, it wasn't "just" the showing for the gallery folks. It was the
first viewing for the curator - the man who will pass judgement on
whether Petrovsky is still a great artist or whether he's a washed up old
man. Petrovsky's fate depends much more on what the "gallery people"
think than pn what the general public think.
Lydia
> Miranda's house! If anyone knows where they sell them, could they please
> tell me? I want two....one for myself and one for a friend who is a total
> rubber duckie fiend.
Go to any store that sells baby stuff, like babies r us-- those duckie
spigots are very common and you should have no trouble finding one.
PButler111
>have been at his side while he was receiving his accolades. I still think
>she came off like a spoiled litte girl who can't stand for someone else
>to be in the spotlight.
You can love and support someone without being welded to their side. He begged
her to come and not let go of his hand all night. They arrived, someone
started applauding him, and he didn't hesitate to let go of her hand, and of
her.
>And, FWIW, it wasn't "just" the showing for the gallery folks. It was the
>first viewing for the curator - the man who will pass judgement on
>whether Petrovsky is still a great artist or whether he's a washed up old
>man. Petrovsky's fate depends much more on what the "gallery people"
>think than pn what the general public think.
Bullshit. The curator obviously had already made that judgment or he wouldn't
have offered Petrovsky the show. The "gallery people" had already made up
their minds. It's what the outside reviewers would think, after the show was
open to the public, that was in question.
Userb3
news:20040223151933...@mb-m28.aol.com:
>>If she loves the man she shouoldn't need to be encouraged. She should
>>have been at his side while he was receiving his accolades. I still
>>think she came off like a spoiled litte girl who can't stand for
>>someone else to be in the spotlight.
>
> You can love and support someone without being welded to their side.
> He begged her to come and not let go of his hand all night. They
> arrived, someone started applauding him, and he didn't hesitate to let
> go of her hand, and of her.
What, he's supposed to hold her hand all night? And what of the curator
and donors who all put up $$$$$ to fund the exhibit, critics who will
determine its success, and art world insiders who will determine what the
buzz is among Petrovski's peers?
Carrie should have been there to support him, not the other way around.
She should have been excited that he was getting accolades on a major
exhibition (a personal feat not unlike being elected, having a baby, or
graduating). The one and only thing she SHOULDN'T have done was sit in a
corner and pout. She cut herself off from Petrovski, not the other way
around.
Userb3
>>And, FWIW, it wasn't "just" the showing for the gallery folks. It was
>>the first viewing for the curator - the man who will pass judgement on
>>whether Petrovsky is still a great artist or whether he's a washed up
>>old man. Petrovsky's fate depends much more on what the "gallery
>>people" think than pn what the general public think.
>
> Bullshit. The curator obviously had already made that judgment or he
> wouldn't have offered Petrovsky the show. The "gallery people" had
> already made up their minds.
You're not familiar with the art world, are you?
Anne
caller ID. It would have been funny if it was Matthew instead, but this is
better.
"Dogzilla!" <dogz...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:103iri1...@corp.supernews.com...
> I remember reading in TV Guide several months ago that Big was going to
have
> a name, but it wasn't going to be anything mundane. In fact, I seem to
> recall that it was somewhat funky-sounding! Yet tonight when Big calls
> Carrie to tell her the Napa house is on the market and he's coming back to
> NY, her cell phone read "John." JOHN???? Could they get anymore generic
if
> they tried? I guess it's best that they ended the series by giving us his
> name, but JOHN???
>
> As for the ending, I hate that they turned Petrovsky into such an ass, one
> who ruined her party and left her sitting and waiting, and then slapping
her
> like that. I have known friends who got into relationships, moved in with
> the guy and then saw the guys do a Jekyl & Hyde number, and this appears
to
> be one of them.
>
> Why on earth would anyone put their girlfriend and their ex together? I
> find it just bizarre.
>
> All in all, the baby for Charlotte & Harry was adorable. Remember when
Trey
> wouldn't even consider an Asian child? Char struck gold when she found
> Harry!
> Miranda has softened a LOT, and for to do what's right for her M-I-L
without
> resenting it is representative of how much she's grown. It was more than
> just a physical move from Manhattan to Brooklyn!
>
> Finally, I and DYING for the Rubber Duckie bathtub spigot that was in
> Miranda's house! If anyone knows where they sell them, could they please
> tell me? I want two....one for myself and one for a friend who is a total
> rubber duckie fiend.
>
> As schmaltzy as the end became, it was cute and a fitting end for the
show.
>
> dogz
>
>
PButler111
>From: Userb3 userb3no...@yahoo.com
>Date: 2/23/2004 2:40 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <Xns9498955D8F008i...@207.14.113.17>
Apparently only about 100% more than you are.
PButler111
That's what he asked of her, yes.
And what of the curator
>and donors who all put up $$$$$ to fund the exhibit, critics who will
>determine its success, and art world insiders who will determine what the
>buzz is among Petrovski's peers?
You seem to know even less about the art world than you do about relationships.
>Carrie should have been there to support him, not the other way around.
Carrie was there to support him. That cute blond girl sitting all alone on the
bench watching him schmoozing? That was Carrie.
>She should have been excited that he was getting accolades on a major
>exhibition (a personal feat not unlike being elected, having a baby, or
>graduating).
And what would you have had her do to show her excitement? Shoot firecrackers
out her ass?
The one and only thing she SHOULDN'T have done was sit in a
>corner and pout. She cut herself off from Petrovski, not the other way
>around.
Obviously we were watching different shows.
Userb3
news:20040223201100...@mb-m03.aol.com:
>>What, he's supposed to hold her hand all night?
>
> That's what he asked of her, yes.
He wanted her there for support. How hard is that?
> And what of the curator
>>and donors who all put up $$$$$ to fund the exhibit, critics who will
>>determine its success, and art world insiders who will determine what
>>the buzz is among Petrovski's peers?
>
> You seem to know even less about the art world than you do about
> relationships.
Putting aside the ad hominem attack, I should note that my wife is an
artist, and I've been gloriously married for well over a decade. I'm
certain that I am more than passingly familiar with both the art world
and maintaining a relationshop with an artist. If my wife were to have a
solo show at a major Paris Museum, and was seriously worried that she'd
grown old and out of touch with the art world, I'd be with her for every
meeting and thrill when she received accolades. I'd be perfectly content
to sit in the back (and have), because the reason for the show is her and
her work, not me.
>>Carrie should have been there to support him, not the other way
>>around.
>
> Carrie was there to support him. That cute blond girl sitting all
> alone on the bench watching him schmoozing? That was Carrie.
You mean the one who pouted and left while he was still walking the
curator through the exhibit? Did Carrie ever even bother to see the
exhibit?
>>She should have been excited that he was getting accolades on a major
>>exhibition (a personal feat not unlike being elected, having a baby,
>>or graduating).
>
> And what would you have had her do to show her excitement? Shoot
> firecrackers out her ass?
What a delightful image. You bring class and dignity to the conversation.
No, I would have expected her to tour the exhibit with the group, stand
with Petrovsky when convenient, and mingle wit hte crowd when it wasn't.
I would expect her to "work the room" just as my wife and I do when we
attend events related to each other's artistic or business pursuits.
Indeed, when I attend openings for almost any artist who has a
significant other, the SO is either at their side, working the room, or
admiring the work. Its what you do when someone you love is an artist.
> The one and only thing she SHOULDN'T have done was sit in a
>>corner and pout. She cut herself off from Petrovski, not the other way
>>around.
>
> Obviously we were watching different shows.
Apparently.
PButler111
>pbutl...@aol.com (PButler111) wrote in
>news:20040223201100...@mb-m03.aol.com:
>
>>>What, he's supposed to hold her hand all night?
>>
>> That's what he asked of her, yes.
>
>He wanted her there for support. How hard is that?
Pretty darn hard when the person you're supposed to be supporting ditches you.
>> And what of the curator
>>>and donors who all put up $$$$$ to fund the exhibit, critics who will
>>>determine its success, and art world insiders who will determine what
>>>the buzz is among Petrovski's peers?
>>
>> You seem to know even less about the art world than you do about
>> relationships.
>
>Putting aside the ad hominem attack, I should note that my wife is an
>artist, and I've been gloriously married for well over a decade. I'm
>certain that I am more than passingly familiar with both the art world
>and maintaining a relationshop with an artist. If my wife were to have a
>solo show at a major Paris Museum, and was seriously worried that she'd
>grown old and out of touch with the art world, I'd be with her for every
>meeting and thrill when she received accolades. I'd be perfectly content
>to sit in the back (and have), because the reason for the show is her and
>her work, not me.
If you said your wife was a major artist who's gone through many shows like
Petrovsky's, then you'd be speaking from a platform of authority. As it is,
nothing you've said about the art world or exhibits has any basis in reality.
>>>Carrie should have been there to support him, not the other way
>>>around.
>>
>> Carrie was there to support him. That cute blond girl sitting all
>> alone on the bench watching him schmoozing? That was Carrie.
>
>You mean the one who pouted and left while he was still walking the
>curator through the exhibit? Did Carrie ever even bother to see the
>exhibit?
I'm sure she'd seen it many, many times. And I don't know where you're getting
this "curator" crap. You seem to have seen a separate show no one else saw.
>>>She should have been excited that he was getting accolades on a major
>>>exhibition (a personal feat not unlike being elected, having a baby,
>>>or graduating).
>>
>> And what would you have had her do to show her excitement? Shoot
>> firecrackers out her ass?
>
>What a delightful image. You bring class and dignity to the conversation.
>No, I would have expected her to tour the exhibit with the group, stand
>with Petrovsky when convenient, and mingle wit hte crowd when it wasn't.
There was no crowd. It wasn't a public show. He didn't even notice she wasn't
there until the end of the evening.
>I would expect her to "work the room" just as my wife and I do when we
>attend events related to each other's artistic or business pursuits.
There was no room to work. There were about six people there, museum
employees.
>Indeed, when I attend openings for almost any artist who has a
>significant other, the SO is either at their side, working the room, or
>admiring the work. Its what you do when someone you love is an artist.
Yet again -- no room, no crowd.
JP
finished things! I thought I would HATE her ending up with Big but all in
all I loved it! I too wanted the rubber duckie! I think you can buy them
at places like Baby's R Us or stores like that. I think it is so the child
in the bathtub doesn't burn themselves on the hot metal faucet.
Here is one web site that I found while looking for the faucet duckie.
http://www.tubbybuddies.com/ I have no affiliation with this site at all!
I ordered one of each!
If you find the duck faucet cover let me know.
JP
JP
to go and support him he promised her he would not let go of her hand all
night and the first thing he did when he realized his art was a success was
to drop her hand and leave her all by herself. That was RUDE RUDE RUDE!
JP
Jackie
news:103iri1...@corp.supernews.com...
> I remember reading in TV Guide several months ago that Big was going to
have
> a name, but it wasn't going to be anything mundane. In fact, I seem to
> recall that it was somewhat funky-sounding! Yet tonight when Big calls
> Carrie to tell her the Napa house is on the market and he's coming back to
> NY, her cell phone read "John." JOHN???? Could they get anymore generic
if
> they tried? I guess it's best that they ended the series by giving us his
> name, but JOHN???
Yeah, that seemed to be kind of wierd. Now I've got some oldies tune
singing in my head, "John, big bad John..."
> As for the ending, I hate that they turned Petrovsky into such an ass, one
> who ruined her party and left her sitting and waiting, and then slapping
her
> like that. I have known friends who got into relationships, moved in with
> the guy and then saw the guys do a Jekyl & Hyde number, and this appears
to
> be one of them.
I hated that too. I was probably in the minority, but kind of LIKED
Petrovsky and thought in some ways he was good for Carrie and that she might
mature a bit around him. The "you knew this about me when you met me" line
was so self centered. He knew Carrie was in love and not finished with New
York ... but that didn't matter, did it?
> Why on earth would anyone put their girlfriend and their ex together? I
> find it just bizarre.
It all worked out. In the scene you learn that the artistic Russian leopard
didn't change his spots after all. In a divorce and when there are children
involved, there's always going to be communication/contacts with the ex.
> All in all, the baby for Charlotte & Harry was adorable. Remember when
Trey
> wouldn't even consider an Asian child? Char struck gold when she found
> Harry!
Great moment when she saw the photo and instantly recognized her and said,
"Yes, that's her."
> Miranda has softened a LOT, and for to do what's right for her M-I-L
without
> resenting it is representative of how much she's grown. It was more than
> just a physical move from Manhattan to Brooklyn!
Miranda has fast become my favorite of the four. Magda spotting her and
then later approaching her and kissing her on the forehead brought me to
tears. I still got misty when seeing it a second time. I think about the
episode with her mother's funeral and how the bra sales clerk had hugged her
and it's right up there with that moment.
> Finally, I and DYING for the Rubber Duckie bathtub spigot that was in
> Miranda's house! If anyone knows where they sell them, could they please
> tell me? I want two....one for myself and one for a friend who is a total
> rubber duckie fiend.
I have one - and know it's packed somewhere .... if you have trouble finding
one, I'll do my best to rummage through the baby stuff I haven't parted
with - we only used it once and my husband didn't like it. I think I got
mine at Toys R Us or Target. They also sell stuff like that in baby
catalogs. BTW, not sure if they still have that them, but Rubber Ducky
bathroom themed items used to be found at Target. We're talking soap
dispensers, shower curtain hooks, borders, etc. Interior design wise, I'd
go minimal and use them as accents. A little duck goes a long way.
>
> As schmaltzy as the end became, it was cute and a fitting end for the
show.
>
> dogz
Not sure if you saw the Saturday Night Live parody that was on the night
prior to Finale Sunday, but in alot of ways, it came out as they had
predicted. (Barring Samantha being a man, that is.) ;-)
Jackie
(new poster, but lurker off and on as I got into the series a year ago.)