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Bobby Barton

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere
in-flight cause? That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?
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Pieter Thomassen

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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"Bobby Barton" <tal...@badsector.com> writes:

>What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere
>in-flight cause? That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
>control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
>the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?

Computer controlled flight, including a performance window outside
which certain manouvers are forbidden. For example, when going Mach 3
the pilot may pull the Battloid switch but the computer will either
ignore it or slow the plane down to a maneagable speed before starting
the reconfiguration.

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Antiledo

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Mar 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/19/99
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> That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
>control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
>the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?


I'd guess the computer compensates for the drag using the VT's engines and
verniers.

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Ted

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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On 19 Mar 1999 16:51:48 GMT, "Bobby Barton" <tal...@badsector.com>
wrote:

>What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere
>in-flight cause?

Besides hitting the ground like a lawn-dart?

>That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
>control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
>the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?

Training. Every pilot knows that there are certain things you can and
can't do at certain speeds or altitudes-or they should know anyway.
Like Antiledo and Pieter suggested, the thrusters and computer control
are the way to go, but any pilot who wants to subject a craft to
stresses like that at Mach3 isn't all that bright...

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Sanjai

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Mar 20, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/20/99
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Ted wrote in message <36f2fe59...@news.erols.com>...

>On 19 Mar 1999 16:51:48 GMT, "Bobby Barton" <tal...@badsector.com>
>wrote:
>
>>What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere
>>in-flight cause?
>
>Besides hitting the ground like a lawn-dart?
>

Why would he have to do that? The battloid has thrusters, and the Guardian
does VTOL hovering. With a Harrier, there's a maneuver called "viffing"
where the plane switches from forward thrust to reverse and hover, allowing
the enemy to overshoot him.

Switching to guardian and especially guardian could have an aerobraking
effect.

>>That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
>>control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
>>the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?
>
>Training. Every pilot knows that there are certain things you can and
>can't do at certain speeds or altitudes-or they should know anyway.
>Like Antiledo and Pieter suggested, the thrusters and computer control
>are the way to go, but any pilot who wants to subject a craft to
>stresses like that at Mach3 isn't all that bright...
>

Well, the advanced computers on the veritech could have control law software
to deal with that. An aircraft like the F16 is so maneuvrable because it's
aerodynamically unstable, which is something that can be exploited for
agility.

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Allan [Weapon X] Liangco

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Mar 22, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/22/99
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On 9 Mar 1999, 16:51:48 GMT, Bobby Barton <tal...@badsector.com> wrote
in <01be7228$cdfb2840$224a31cc@->:

> What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere

> in-flight cause? That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot


> control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
> the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?

> --
> Bobby Barton
> tal...@badsector.com

The Jet mode (flying within an atmosphere) would probably have to slow
down to a more controllable speed before engaging into Guardian and then
Battloid modes. Perhaps some well-placed miniature directional thrusters
on the Veritech/Valkyrie fighter would also help.

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Ted

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Mar 24, 1999, 3:00:00 AM3/24/99
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The F-16 is unstable to a point(that point being that it can be made
stable). And the reason why the VT has to hit the ground like a lawn
dart is for no other reason than the fact that I was being sarcastic
;-)

I'm not an aerospace engineer, so my theories equate roughly int ome
talking straight from my ass. :)

Ted Southard
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On Sat, 20 Mar 1999 05:15:50 GMT, "Sanjai" <san...@nospam.com> wrote:

>
>Ted wrote in message <36f2fe59...@news.erols.com>...

>>On 19 Mar 1999 16:51:48 GMT, "Bobby Barton" <tal...@badsector.com>
>>wrote:


>>
>>>What sort of control problems would re-configuring in an atmosphere
>>>in-flight cause?
>>

>>Besides hitting the ground like a lawn-dart?
>>
>
>Why would he have to do that? The battloid has thrusters, and the Guardian
>does VTOL hovering. With a Harrier, there's a maneuver called "viffing"
>where the plane switches from forward thrust to reverse and hover, allowing
>the enemy to overshoot him.
>
>Switching to guardian and especially guardian could have an aerobraking
>effect.
>

>>>That's got to cause incredible drag. How could a pilot
>>>control his A/C in an instance like that? Obviously, the faster you go,
>>>the worse the problem. So what could solve this problem?
>>

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