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Michael Moscovitch

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May 11, 1992, 7:11:41 PM5/11/92
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Is there an episode in which Holly becomes Hilly? From what I remember,
one week there was Holly, the next there was Hilly. Did I miss an episode?

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John G Shirlaw

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May 11, 1992, 9:41:14 PM5/11/92
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There was an episode when they were both present...something to do with the Holly
Hop drive and them meeting there female equivelents from a paralel dimention,
then the series ended the next on started with hilly as the computer...I think it
was basically a suttle cast change as it was never comented on as I remember.

john.

Jean Jean the Evil Cat

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May 11, 1992, 10:41:34 PM5/11/92
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Fuzzy Fox

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May 12, 1992, 12:04:04 AM5/12/92
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mich...@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Michael Moscovitch) writes:


>Is there an episode in which Holly becomes Hilly? From what I remember,
>one week there was Holly, the next there was Hilly. Did I miss an episode?

In the first episode of the new season they ran a scroller which
explained a tremendous amount of detail about the plot changes between
seasons, such as Holley's sex change and what happened to Dave Lister's
twin boys following his pregnancy.

The whole thing scrolls by in about 5 seconds, so you need a good VCR on
freeze-frame in order to read it all. I think they glossed over it a
good bit, making it seem like they'd written their plot into a corner
and couldn't get themselves out of it.

On a related note, why did the actor who played the male Holly (can't
remember his name!) leave the show? I think he was definitely one of
the funniest people on the show until he left.

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nicole discenza

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May 12, 1992, 12:09:08 AM5/12/92
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As explained in the (super-fast) scroll at the beginning of the first episode
of the third season, Holly (after meeting Hilly) decides to undergo a
head-sex-change. He's still Holly, but with Hilly's head and voice.
Seems to me the actor just wanted out.

By the way, I thought the line after "mango juice" went
"Goldfish jobes, nibbling at my toes," but just what is a jobe?

Joe Discenza
ndis...@bach.helios.nd.edu

Elisabeth Riba

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May 12, 1992, 6:48:29 AM5/12/92
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fu...@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:

>In the first episode of the new season they ran a scroller which
>explained a tremendous amount of detail about the plot changes between
>seasons, such as Holley's sex change and what happened to Dave Lister's
>twin boys following his pregnancy.

>The whole thing scrolls by in about 5 seconds, so you need a good VCR on
>freeze-frame in order to read it all. I think they glossed over it a
>good bit, making it seem like they'd written their plot into a corner
>and couldn't get themselves out of it.

Could any kind soul post this? Thanks...
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Achorn Brett W

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May 12, 1992, 1:24:45 PM5/12/92
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In article <allk5p...@netcom.com> fu...@netcom.com (Fuzzy Fox) writes:
>mich...@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Michael Moscovitch) writes:
>
>
>>Is there an episode in which Holly becomes Hilly? From what I remember,
>>one week there was Holly, the next there was Hilly. Did I miss an episode?
>
>
[bit about fast scroll explanation deleted]

>In the first episode of the new season they ran a scroller which
>On a related note, why did the actor who played the male Holly (can't
>remember his name!) leave the show? I think he was definitely one of
>the funniest people on the show until he left.
>
My understanding was that the orginal had committed suicide. I
will try to track down the reference.

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Ron O'Dell

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May 14, 1992, 6:14:52 AM5/14/92
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In article <1992May12....@news.nd.edu> ndis...@bach.helios.nd.edu (nicole discenza) writes:
>By the way, I thought the line after "mango juice" went
>"Goldfish jobes, nibbling at my toes," but just what is a jobe?

Aiiigh... we've gone through this on rec.arts.tv.uk, alt.comedy.british,
and now here ...

it's `Goldfish shoals nibbling' ...

It's most clear on the episode "Meltdown" (series 4, episode 6), when the
theme is sung by an Elvis impersonator.

a `shoal' is a school of goldfish.
(or other small fish living in shallow waters)

and since I only posted to rec.arts.tv.uk, the chord sequence is
G, C, G, Em, C, C# dim, G7, C, F# dim7, G

If you can't figure out the melody on your own, just mail me.

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Ron O'Dell

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May 14, 1992, 6:53:27 AM5/14/92
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As to why Norman Lovett left his role as Holly...

He did not kill himself -- he simply left to pursue his own comedy career.
Had a show for a very short while.

Ted Bebenek

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May 16, 1992, 8:43:26 AM5/16/92
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It *was* commented on. In the first episode of Red Dwarf III, there was a
long string of scrolling captions (a la Star Wars) that explained the cast
changes. It mentioned that Holly had a sex change, so he could look like
Hilly, the computer he met in the parallel universe. It also mentioned
that Lister gave birth to twins, who were 18 years old at the time of
their birth, and they were returned to the parallel universe.
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Paul S. Winalski

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May 16, 1992, 9:04:09 PM5/16/92
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In article <1992May16.1...@samba.oit.unc.edu>,

Ted.B...@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ted Bebenek) writes:
|>
|>It *was* commented on. In the first episode of Red Dwarf III, there was a
|>long string of scrolling captions (a la Star Wars) that explained the cast
|>changes. It mentioned that Holly had a sex change, so he could look like
|>Hilly, the computer he met in the parallel universe. It also mentioned
|>that Lister gave birth to twins, who were 18 years old at the time of
|>their birth, and they were returned to the parallel universe.

They weren't 18 at birth. Due to their being conceived in a parallel
universe, they aged 18 years in 3 days. Lister returned them to the parallel
universe so they could lead normal lives (at least as normal as possible for
people whose mother was a man, father was a woman, and who aged 18 years in
3 days).

The whole text of the Series III opener scroll-by is in the FAQ.

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Charles Gousha

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May 17, 1992, 2:31:37 AM5/17/92
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In article <1992May16.1...@samba.oit.unc.edu> Ted.B...@bbs.oit.unc.edu (Ted Bebenek) writes:
>In article <1992May12....@athena.mit.edu> jgs...@athena.mit.edu (John G Shirlaw) writes:
>>In article <1992May11.2...@thunder.mcrcim.mcgill.edu>, mich...@pike.ee.mcgill.ca (Michael Moscovitch) writes:

>>|> Is there an episode in which Holly becomes Hilly? From what I remember,
>>|> one week there was Holly, the next there was Hilly. Did I miss an episode?

>>|> mich...@pike.ee.mcgill.ca

>>There was an episode when they were both present...something to do with the Holly
>>Hop drive and them meeting there female equivelents from a paralel dimention,
>>then the series ended the next on started with hilly as the computer...I think it
>>was basically a suttle cast change as it was never comented on as I remember.

>It *was* commented on. In the first episode of Red Dwarf III, there was a


>long string of scrolling captions (a la Star Wars) that explained the cast
>changes. It mentioned that Holly had a sex change, so he could look like
>Hilly, the computer he met in the parallel universe. It also mentioned
>that Lister gave birth to twins, who were 18 years old at the time of
>their birth, and they were returned to the parallel universe.

True enough. But the scroll starts out at a decent pace, and suddenly jumps
to a ridiculously fast speed. Funny as all get-out, but making it impossible
to read what it said (except for those who took Evelyn Woods' speed reading
course).

Did Grant and Naylor expect a whole bunch of people to tape it and
transcribe it in slow motion for everyone else to find out, or did they
just not think it was that important for the casual viewers who don't go
to that kind of trouble?

As for myself, I love the fact they did that. It just doesn't quite make
sense to me.
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