Hyperdrive
Peter Chant
the day! I've just seen a trailer.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/16/hyper.shtml
Lister
wrote:
>Someone at the BBC thinks that a spaced based Sci-Fi sitcom is the order of
>the day! I've just seen a trailer.
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/09_september/16/hyper.shtml
And nobody pointed out to them that it rips off Red Dwarf?
jho...@gmail.com
> And nobody pointed out to them that it rips off Red Dwarf?
Since when does something being a sitcom set in space mean that it
"rips off Red Dwarf"?
That's as bad as those people who think Dwarf rips off HHGTTG, because
it involves both comedy and science fiction.
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jho...@gmail.com wrote:
> Lister wrote:
>> And nobody pointed out to them that it rips off Red Dwarf?
>
> Since when does something being a sitcom set in space mean that it
> "rips off Red Dwarf"?
>
> That's as bad as those people who think Dwarf rips off HHGTTG, because
> it involves both comedy and science fiction.
And if that were the case, they could say the same about Pigs
in Space.
BL.
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Lister
>Lister wrote:
>> And nobody pointed out to them that it rips off Red Dwarf?
>
>Since when does something being a sitcom set in space mean that it
>"rips off Red Dwarf"?
>
>That's as bad as those people who think Dwarf rips off HHGTTG, because
>it involves both comedy and science fiction.
It was late, I wasn't thinking :)
Gavin Clayton
wrote:
>Someone at the BBC thinks that a spaced based Sci-Fi sitcom is the order of
>the day!
Did anyone see the "Preview" on BBC2 last night?
Hmmm. I wasn't impressed at all, but I'll have to give it a couple of
episodes to prove itself. There's the *possibility* that it might
contain a trace of the charm Red Dwarf had. Plus, RD probably looked
shit to most people before it settled in.
Nick Frost and the actor Kevin Eldon... could be okay.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/hyperdrive/ for more.
Gavin Clayton
bewtifulfreak
> On Tue, 03 Jan 2006 23:36:50 +0000, Peter Chant <pe...@petezilla.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Someone at the BBC thinks that a spaced based Sci-Fi sitcom is the
>> order of the day!
>
> Did anyone see the "Preview" on BBC2 last night?
>
> Hmmm. I wasn't impressed at all, but I'll have to give it a couple of
> episodes to prove itself. There's the *possibility* that it might
> contain a trace of the charm Red Dwarf had. Plus, RD probably looked
> shit to most people before it settled in.
Yeah, I don't know what I would have thought if I'd seen the first episode
of Red Dwarf first, I'm not so sure that I would have been instantly
enamoured. I do agree after seeing the little preview on the website that
it's a bit iffy, but like you say, may be worth it to give it a chance and
see if it develops the way RD did; could have potential, especially as Nick
Frost is generally quite funny.
--
Ann
Brian(aka Zod)
> Hmmm. I wasn't impressed at all, but I'll have to give it a couple of
> episodes to prove itself. There's the *possibility* that it might
> contain a trace of the charm Red Dwarf had. Plus, RD probably looked
> shit to most people before it settled in.
i was pretty young when i had my first dwarf encounter.. probably 11 or
12, and I thought it was crap. Never really gave it a chance, had it on
TV, it was on PBS, and it looks so cheap, i never gave it a chance.
then a while later a friend of mine raved about how good it was, and so
I went over to his place and watched one of those PBC marathons they do
and watched all of season 1 and 2 I think it was. I was suckered right
in then, it continued to be good, but I did miss some of the drop
storylines from the earlier seasons, would of been interesting if they'd
been followed up on.
i sure hope they make more dwarf some day, I liked season 8 and and even
some of season 7. Not as good as season 5 (my favorite), but it was
still good. To end it on a cliffhanger.. com'on.. give us one more
season for a blowout :)
- Brian
Starbugaboo
If they were showing it here, I'd certainly give it a chance... I like
Nick Frost and Kevin Eldon so I would think that even if it gets a slow
start, it could be quite good (of course I don't see it stated who's
writing it and that makes a big difference).
--
Starbugaboo
Peter Chant
OK - opinions
A bit like Red Drawf meets The Office meets that Nathan Barley.
2ic is madder than Rimmer.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
Gavin Clayton
wrote:
>OK - opinions
I'm not going to reject it outright, though I was disappointed. It has
a long way to go before ever coming close to a Grant/Naylor
production.
- It has a low gag count.
- Less than half the gags hit.
- It can't decide between silly comedy (Eldon) or subtle
emotional/vocal gestures comedy (Frost).
- The characters and script are just so much thinner and lighter and
less substantial than Red Dwarf. You cannot imagine the characters
ever having complex wants or needs. So not much to work with.
- The British focus is misguided. I get the point - the comical
juxtaposition of British culture being referenced in American-styled
sci-fi. But it's a one-note joke that takes up too much room.
- Plus, some of the Englishness has the effect of making the show look
quite dated, from the 80s, when such Englishness would have been
sincere rather than knowing. The tannoy woman, for example, is just
cheesy.
- I feel the monster subplot of this episode ripped off Polymorph too
much.
- I'm going to sound totally mean and nasty and I just don't care: I
need a lead female to be a lot more attractive. There.
Good points:
- The sets and effects are about as good as you can expect.
- Some gags did hit - rebooting the ship, Eldon's Alien references
about admiring the monster.
- Hey, the BBC is doing sci-fi comedy again!
Gavin Clayton
Joe Mustachi
I, for one really enjoyed it.
Best bit: Having to agree to the terms and conditions of the gun.
Cheers,
bewtifulfreak
>> - I'm going to sound totally mean and nasty and I just don't care: I
>> need a lead female to be a lot more attractive. There.
I've got no argument with this as an opinion (though it does actually sound
a bit shallow ;) ), but honestly, I think it works better. And although I
can see that being a very natural male point of view, even my husband said
he likes that the UK in particular tends to use normal, average looking
people, because it makes them seem more genuine, and more relateable. And
like he said, look at Lister, he was just a regular Joe...okay, that may
not seem the same to you because you aren't wired that way, but really, it's
the same principle, different gender. And in a comedy, it can actually be a
benefit; look at Kathy Burke for example. But you're certainly entitled to
your opinion, I just think it really adds to the show in some ways, and
actually, I thought the female lead was quite endearing and amusing. :)
Of course, I forgot it was on, so we only caught the last five or so
minutes, but while I did notice some of the points you made even in that
time, I found it funny enough to want to check it out again, especially in
light of how unimpressive the first couple-few Dwarfs were in relation to
what it became.
Joe Mustachi wrote:
> I, for one really enjoyed it.
>
> Best bit: Having to agree to the terms and conditions of the gun.
Hubby and I had a good giggle at that bit. :)
--
Ann
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak
Peter Chant
> I, for one really enjoyed it.
>
> Best bit: Having to agree to the terms and conditions of the gun.
>
We are nearly there already, search for the word 'WARNING' in this page:
http://www.sixguns.com/range/Mlntrpr.htm
Its stating the some what obvious.
ang.an...@gmail.com
> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:36:31 +0000, Peter Chant <pe...@petezilla.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
First the bad points...
> - It has a low gag count.
>
I'm trying to decide if it was funnier than the first couple episodes
of Red Dwarf originally where or not. Hmmm.
>
> - The characters and script are just so much thinner and lighter and
> less substantial than Red Dwarf.
You can tell all this from one episode? Wow. Seriously, I'm trying to
think about how complex ep. 1 or RD was. In my opinion it wasn't more
complex than this.
> - I feel the monster subplot of this episode ripped off Polymorph too
> much.
Ah yes. I thought this too. It looked to me like someone had looked
at the data for RD and thought "hmmm, DOTW eps work well, let's start
with that."
> - I'm going to sound totally mean and nasty and I just don't care: I
> need a lead female to be a lot more attractive. There.
>
I, too, had a problem with the female lead and not for the same hormone
driven reasons as you. I found her, characterwise, a bit too close to
Frost's Captain for it to work.
>
Finally one, of my own. That bloody driving the ship person. That's
already worn very thin with me.
I mostly agree with you about the good points... the rebooting the ship
gag worked particularly well. I'd like them to develop that a little
bit in the eps - not overstating it - but perhaps as a side gag having
someone be unable to do something in the background. I guess they've
exhausted it in this one ep though.
I'm prepared to give it some time based on never watching anything with
Kevin Eldon in it I didn't like. It's hard, but I'm pretending I've
never seen Red Dwarf (although I've been pretending RD VII and VIII
didn't exist for the past few years so it's only expanding that) and
giving it a chance. The moment Kevin Eldon gives birth, however, I'm
switching it off.
Ang
Anyone know when the RD film is coming out?
Peter Chant
> I'm prepared to give it some time based on never watching anything with
> Kevin Eldon in it I didn't like. It's hard, but I'm pretending I've
> never seen Red Dwarf (although I've been pretending RD VII and VIII
> didn't exist for the past few years so it's only expanding that) and
> giving it a chance. The moment Kevin Eldon gives birth, however, I'm
> switching it off.
A classic moment from Harry Hill, the Alien episode. I think it is Harry
who ends up on his back writing in agony as Stouffer bursts out of his
stomach. 'Who would have thought that would happen?'.
OK, you had to be there and a Harry Hill fan.
Also, they got the look and feel of space station badger very close to
Blakes 7.
Hercule Platini
"Gavin Clayton" <gavinc...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 11 Jan 2006 22:36:31 +0000, Peter Chant <pe...@petezilla.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>>OK - opinions
>
> I'm not going to reject it outright, though I was disappointed. It has
> a long way to go before ever coming close to a Grant/Naylor
> production.
>
> - It has a low gag count.
Check.
> - Less than half the gags hit.
Check.
> - It can't decide between silly comedy (Eldon) or subtle
> emotional/vocal gestures comedy (Frost).
Yup.
> - The characters and script are just so much thinner and lighter and
> less substantial than Red Dwarf. You cannot imagine the characters
> ever having complex wants or needs. So not much to work with.
Again.
> - The British focus is misguided. I get the point - the comical
> juxtaposition of British culture being referenced in American-styled
> sci-fi. But it's a one-note joke that takes up too much room.
>
> - Plus, some of the Englishness has the effect of making the show look
> quite dated, from the 80s, when such Englishness would have been
> sincere rather than knowing. The tannoy woman, for example, is just
> cheesy.
Never occurred to me; I was too busy not being amused. I did wonder why
you'd need your pin number to go to the lavatory.
> - I feel the monster subplot of this episode ripped off Polymorph too
> much.
Maybe. Certainly the creature's-eye-view shots did.
> - I'm going to sound totally mean and nasty and I just don't care: I
> need a lead female to be a lot more attractive. There.
Well, I wasn't going to be the first to mention it.
> Good points:
>
> - The sets and effects are about as good as you can expect.
But that should be a given. And I don't think the effects are really that
good anyway.
> - Some gags did hit - rebooting the ship, Eldon's Alien references
> about admiring the monster.
Yes, there were a few I liked: the terms and conditions of use on the
bazookoid, "this is where we keep the signs for all the other rooms", and
probably another one if I think about it. But largely it died.
> - Hey, the BBC is doing sci-fi comedy again!
Now all they need to do is do it better. Maybe Red Dwarf 9 would do the
trick.
--
Hercule Platini
"The Alternative Hyperdrive: Part 63....."
Hercule Platini
"bewtifulfreak" <bewtif...@notmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Of course, I forgot it was on, so we only caught the last five or so
> minutes, but while I did notice some of the points you made even in that
> time, I found it funny enough to want to check it out again, especially in
> light of how unimpressive the first couple-few Dwarfs were in relation to
> what it became.
It's repeated next week, I think on Sunday evening.
--
Hercule Platini
"Check listings for details."
Hercule Platini
"Peter Chant" <pe...@petezilla.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Peter Chant wrote:
>
> OK - opinions
>
> A bit like Red Drawf meets The Office meets that Nathan Barley.
>
> 2ic is madder than Rimmer.
>
> It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
I'm not going to bother. I thought it was poor. Some good ideas, but some
duff ones as well. Two main male characters appear to be in completely
different shows: the 2IC is indeed was over the top while the Captain is
underplayed to the point of not being played at all. Certainly the idea of
piloting the ship by someone moving in a physical space is interesting, but
it just looked like something out of Minority Report. And there were lifts
from Red Dwarf; the creature's-eye view mirrored the Polymorph's although I
don't really see how else you can do it (coloured filters?), a few lines
that veered into Space Corps Directive territory, a few lines (mainly from
the 2IC) that could, perhaps, have been spoken by Rimmer.
Whih would be okay if it were funny. But I really didn't think it was. I
also didn't think there was much in the way of depth to it. Look at Red
Dwarf: fifteen minutes in we knew about Lister (Kochanski, Fiji, doesn't
respect authority), we knew about Rimmer (parents, failed exams), we knew
about holograms (McIntyre). Everything was set up in that first episode.
Not look at Hyperdrive: what have we learned about the characters? Not
much. This could be the start of Series 2 of Hyperdrive, and we never saw
the first one.
And it's that non-sitcom sitcom thing again - it looks and feels so not like
a sitcom that it pretty much ends up as Not a Sitcom by default. So not
only isn't it particularly funny, it doesn't feel as if it's supposed to be
funny.
Oh yes, and CGI spaceships. Have they learned nothing?
--
Hercule Platini
"So that's a No, then?"
Gavin Clayton
<ang.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I'm trying to decide if it was funnier than the first couple episodes
>of Red Dwarf originally where or not. Hmmm.
The End didn't have many huge laughs because it was so expositional,
but Future Echoes was very funny.
>> - The characters and script are just so much thinner and lighter and
>> less substantial than Red Dwarf.
>
>You can tell all this from one episode? Wow. Seriously, I'm trying to
>think about how complex ep. 1 or RD was. In my opinion it wasn't more
>complex than this.
I used the word "substantial", not "complex", and I was thinking more
in terms of characters. I believe the characters of Dave Lister and
Arnold Rimmer were significantly deeper and more layered than these
characters - and yes, all from the first episode.
Within one episode we saw a slob whose misplaced dreams of a better
life showed a complex duality about him, and a neurotic whose
personality could clearly stand up to deep psychoanalysis.
The biggest feeling I got watching Hyperdrive was that I was watching
the comedy actors Nick Frost, Kevin Eldon, etc, messing around on a
comedians' side project. They had a script to recite, but they weren't
really forming characters. Frost was clearly being Frost, Eldon was
clearly doing a "barking mad Kevin Eldon" performance, and I presume
the other performers were not deviating from their known stand-up acts
either.
I know you could argue "Craig Charles was only being Craig Charles"
too. But really - Craig Charles had layers.
Gavin Clayton
bewtifulfreak
> "bewtifulfreak" <bewtif...@notmail.com> wrote in message
> news:42n6ocF...@individual.net...
>
>>
>> Of course, I forgot it was on, so we only caught the last five or so
>> minutes, but while I did notice some of the points you made even in
>> that time, I found it funny enough to want to check it out again,
>> especially in light of how unimpressive the first couple-few Dwarfs
>> were in relation to what it became.
>
> It's repeated next week, I think on Sunday evening.
Ah, thanks. From the sounds of it, I may not be that impressed, but I'd
like to at least see for myself.
--
Ann
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak
Daff
<gavinc...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote the following in their own smegma:
>I know you could argue "Craig Charles was only being Craig Charles"
>too. But really - Craig Charles had layers.
>
Does that make him an onion or an ogre?
Daff
--
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ang.an...@gmail.com
Gavin Clayton wrote:
> On 12 Jan 2006 14:15:06 -0800, "ang.an...@gmail.com"
> <ang.an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >You can tell all this from one episode? Wow. Seriously, I'm trying to
> >think about how complex ep. 1 or RD was. In my opinion it wasn't more
> >complex than this.
>
> I used the word "substantial", not "complex",
You can prove anything with facts Gavin!
> in terms of characters. I believe the characters of Dave Lister and
> Arnold Rimmer were significantly deeper and more layered than these
> characters - and yes, all from the first episode.
Now I'm sad because they chose to waste all that groundwork in the
later series. *sob*
> I know you could argue "Craig Charles was only being Craig Charles"
> too. But really - Craig Charles had layers.
>
Moving on...
Ang
ang.an...@gmail.com
Hercule Platini wrote:
>
> Never occurred to me; I was too busy not being amused. I did wonder why
> you'd need your pin number to go to the lavatory.
>
I guessed it was one of those executive bathroom type things. Like in
a school when only the teachers have the key to a certain bathroom.
> "The Alternative Hyperdrive: Part 63....."
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ang
Peter Chant
s repeated next week, I think on Sunday evening.
>
> Ah, thanks. From the sounds of it, I may not be that impressed, but I'd
> like to at least see for myself.
>
I think that some people were too quick to run it down. Give it time to
settle in.
Peter Chant
>
> Hercule Platini wrote:
>
>>
>> Never occurred to me; I was too busy not being amused. I did wonder why
>> you'd need your pin number to go to the lavatory.
>>
> I guessed it was one of those executive bathroom type things. Like in
> a school when only the teachers have the key to a certain bathroom.
>
I assumed that it was humour, Nick Frost had put the ship on defaults as a
quick fix. Having to enter a pin for every door including the bathrooms is
just the what a petty minded officious burocoracy would have set as a
default.
>> "The Alternative Hyperdrive: Part 63....."
>
> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
> Ang
ang.an...@gmail.com
Peter Chant wrote:
> > I guessed it was one of those executive bathroom type things. Like in
> > a school when only the teachers have the key to a certain bathroom.
> >
>
> I assumed that it was humour, Nick Frost had put the ship on defaults as a
> quick fix. Having to enter a pin for every door including the bathrooms is
> just the what a petty minded officious burocoracy would have set as a
> default.
>
lock on perhaps because of the only certain people can use certain
facilities type thing. I understood the joke about the reset.
Ang
bewtifulfreak
> bewtifulfreak wrote:
> s repeated next week, I think on Sunday evening.
>>
>> Ah, thanks. From the sounds of it, I may not be that impressed, but
>> I'd like to at least see for myself.
>>
>
> I think that some people were too quick to run it down. Give it time
> to settle in.
Oh, I will do...I realized after the fact that I really only said that
because I was being wussy and caving in to (imagined) peer pressure, but I
definitely intend to give it a fair go. :)
--
Ann
http://www.angelfire.com/ca/bewtifulfreak
Lister
wrote:
>Peter Chant wrote:
>
>OK - opinions
>
>A bit like Red Drawf meets The Office meets that Nathan Barley.
>
>2ic is madder than Rimmer.
>
>It will be interesting to see how it pans out.
I'm watching the repeat as I type
"Show no fear, she feeds on fear" - obvious reference
Peter Chant
>
> "Show no fear, she feeds on fear" - obvious reference
Is it? Not a direct quote though.
Peter Chant
> I'm watching the repeat as I type
>
> "Show no fear, she feeds on fear" - obvious reference
Well, if they remake Gunmen of the Apocolypse then I know you are on to
something.
Paul Harman
> I think that some people were too quick to run it down. Give it time to
> settle in.
The rubbishing of it here made me go into it with lower expectations that I
might otherwise have had. Which I think is good, because the tone of the
show wasn't what I was expecting.
However I don't think it was anything near as bad as was made out - I think
some of the reaction here was sour grapes that it wasn't Red Dwarf IX being
made instead.
Frankly IMO it was far better than Season 8.
Paul
Lister
wrote:
>Lister wrote:
>
>
>>
>> "Show no fear, she feeds on fear" - obvious reference
>
>Is it? Not a direct quote though.
Well, no, but a reference
Peter Chant
> Frankly IMO it was far better than Season 8.
That goes without saying.
jho...@gmail.com
> Paul Harman wrote:
>
>
> > Frankly IMO it was far better than Season 8.
>
> That goes without saying.
I massively prefer any ep of VIII to Hyperdrive.
At least VIII had a sense of fun and some silly jokes. Hyperdrive
just... bored me, really.
--
John Hoare
www.ganymede-titan.info
Peter Chant
> Someone at the BBC thinks that a spaced based Sci-Fi sitcom is the order
Annoyingly the snooker over ran so I missed it.
The sport dept must have been in real turmoil as they had to let the
football highlights go out late beacuse of the snooker. Perhaps they
should just have punted whatever was on BBC1 off so they could broadcast
both.
--
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Doctor J. Frink
Maybe when the golden age of Digital finally arrives they can dedicate
some space for overrunning live sports to be transmitted so as not to
fuck up the viewing/recording[1] pleasure of EVERY BUGGER ELSE.
Frink
[1] I thought Freeview would have handled it better but both Ceefax and
my digibox's tv guide still had no sign of the changes even when MOTD
had started.
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Annoy his mind here : pjf at cmp dot liv dot ack dot ook
"No sir, I didn't like it!" - Mr Horse
Doctor J. Frink
>
>[1] I thought Freeview would have handled it better but both Ceefax and
>my digibox's tv guide still had no sign of the changes even when MOTD
>had started.
Oh, and to be vaguely on-topic (for the group) I watched Blade II
instead, starring DJJ as a kick-ass vampire.
I kept expecting him to make himself 'look big' and declare that he was
'fearsome'. ;0) Well, he did have the right teeth in...
Frink
garth2k5
> Oh, and to be vaguely on-topic (for the group) I watched Blade II
> instead, starring DJJ as a kick-ass vampire.
>
> I kept expecting him to make himself 'look big' and declare that he was
> 'fearsome'. ;0) Well, he did have the right teeth in...
Yup, Finally, we get to hear what he really sounds like.. ;-)
Garth - saw Underworld: Evoloution last week... nice.
Hercule Platini
I'm amazed that anyone still watches snooker. I mean, when it suddenly
became a really big thing it had characters playing the game like Ray
Reardon and Bill Werbeniuk. Now it's all identikit 19-year-old whizzkids.
--
Hercule Platini
"Old Grouches R Us."
Hercule Platini
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I disagree. I thought it was poor. Mind you, this was nearly two months
ago and the show's been finished for three weeks already, so it's all
academic....
--
Hercule Platini
"Catching up."
Peter Chant
> I'm amazed that anyone still watches snooker. I mean, when it suddenly
Apparently it only became popular as they needed something to show on colour
TV.
Hercule Platini
> Hercule Platini wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed that anyone still watches snooker. I mean, when it suddenly
>
> Apparently it only became popular as they needed something to show on
> colour
> TV.
They missed a trick by not calling it Pot Pink, then.
At least then there's be a tie in with strawberry Pot Noodles.
--
Hercule Platini
"Yummy."