Prisoner episodes order weird
George Orwell
I just watched episode 8, Dance of the Dead.
It seems to me that this could easily have been the first
episode. Did the producer change the running order just
to make it even stranger?
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Hugh Jardon
George .. this is the only Prisoner I have watched once or twice over
the past years that I just did not get .. that mad female No2's
laughter haunts me each time I think about it !!!
Dry Gulch Pete
It could be - the Western episode last week - did ya see it?
http://lifeinlegacy.com/2003/1220/KannerAlexis.jpg
Kept waiting for the blond guy in the top hat (Alexis Kanner) to start
singing...
# The knee-bone connected to the thigh-bone!
A later episode will have it.
Dry Gulch Pete
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Prisoner_episodes
They're following the correct running order. :-)
Dewey
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Such as it is.
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Dewey
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> The 60's series is being shown at midnight where I live.
> I just watched episode 8, Dance of the Dead.
> It seems to me that this could easily have been the first
> episode. Did the producer change the running order just
> to make it even stranger?
>
DotD could not be the first episode for obvious reasons. However, other
than Arrival and Once Upon a Time/Fall Out, you could show/watch them in
any order, truly. DotD was McG's second episode IIRC
Victor Frankenstein
for KTEH channel 54, PBS affiliate in San Jose, California. He compiled a
new order of progression for the series' episodes based on extensive
analysis, one which is considered by many to be definitive. He likens the
series' structure to that of a three-act play.
His commentary is delightfully witty and insightful, worth viewing even
today IMHO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSI0HU6io7I
VF
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Moor Larkin
Scott Apel.............. compiled a new order of progression for the
series' episodes based on extensive analysis, one which is considered
by many to be definitive.
It is especially annoying that the KTEH channel should commision an
apparent expert and then present what was at best, a wild guess, as
historical fact. Apel presents various ideas about what he calls the
Symbology of the series and that is fair enough - you can agree or
disagree, which is quite the purpose McGoohan desired of his show, but
for Apel to present physical, real-life history in such a slap-dash
manner is quite reprehensible.
An Official book from 1988 stated that Living in Harmony was somehow
censored by CBS in 1968, yet an American expert evidently knew that
this story was nonsense, but rather than challenge it, he instead puts
a whole new twist on the legend and states that the series only had a
sixteen week slot and so one episode had to be dropped. The expert
knew the cult-myth was was incorrect but rather than find out the real
reason for the episode that I have explained in the blog referenced,
the self-styled expert merely invented a whole new *fact* !! As can be
seen from this contemporary press cutting, there is no doubt
whatsoever that the series was initially expected to run for the full
17 episodes.
http://numbersixwasinnocent.blogspot.com/2009/12/mcgoohan-on-peoples-minds-not-so-great.html
Apel perpetuates and amplifies the myth that George Markstein was the
creative force behind The Prisoner and compounds the injury by then
apparently congratulating McGoohan on the things he contributed.!!.
The symbology of this is what we British would call Adding Insult to
Injury.
Brian Watson
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> George .. this is the only Prisoner I have watched once or twice over
the past years that I just did not get .. that mad female No2's
laughter haunts me each time I think about it !!!
Just my take on it, but I see this as The Village's way of showing Number
Six that he was dead as far as the outside world was concerned, so should
succumb to their wishes for him to give in to them.
Not that he WAS dead, just that it was already seeming that way outside The
Village.
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Brian
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Dry Gulch Pete
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> > On Aug 3, 4:18 am, George Orwell <nob...@mixmaster.it> wrote:
> >> The 60's series is being shown at midnight where I live.
> >> I just watched episode 8, Dance of the Dead.
> >> It seems to me that this could easily have been the first
> >> episode. Did the producer change the running order just
> >> to make it even stranger?
>
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> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Prisoner_episodes
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> > They're following the correct running order. :-)
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> Such as it is.
>
<g> McGoohan was famously reticent about what it was all supposed to
mean.
I only decided to watch it after I noticed how woeful, IMHO, the new
version was.
Halmyre
"Hey Patrick ,what did it all mean?"
"Well, it meant that the rest of my career was defined by guest
appearances on 'Colombo'".
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Dry Gulch Pete
LOL - well I hope he did well and had a happy life - Ice Station Zebra
and Escape from Alcatraz were good parts as was the King in Braveheart.
Ian F.
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> "Well, it meant that the rest of my career was defined by guest
> appearances on 'Colombo'".
Radio interviewer to Don McLean: "What does 'American Pie' actually mean?"
DM: "It means I never have to work again!"
Ian
Moor Larkin
> "Halmyre" <flashgordonreced...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Number Six: It means what it is.......
"Columbo" .... (4 episodes, 1974-1998)
- Ashes to Ashes (1998) .... Eric Prince
- Agenda for Murder (1990) .... Oscar Finch
- Identity Crisis (1975) .... Nelson Brenner
- By Dawn's Early Light (1974) .... Col. Lyle C. Rumford
Hysteria (1998) .... Dr. Harvey Langston
A Time to Kill (1996) .... Judge Omar Noose
The Phantom (1996) .... Phantom's Dad
Braveheart (1995) .... Longshanks - King Edward I
The Best of Friends (1991) .... George Bernard Shaw
Witness for the Defense (1987) .... Attorney Oliver Quayle
Of Pure Blood (1986) .... Dr. Felix Neumann
Three Sovereigns for Sarah (1985) .... Chief Magistrate
Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend (1985) .... Doctor Eric Kiviat
Trespasses (1984) .... Fred Wells
Jamaica Inn (1983) .... Joss Merlyn
Kings and Desperate Men (1981) .... John Kingsley
Scanners (1981) .... Dr. Paul Ruth
Escape from Alcatraz (1979) .... Warden
The Hard Way (1979) .... John Connor
Brass Target (1978) .... Col. Mike McCauley
"Rafferty" .... Dr. Sid Rafferty (13 episodes, 1977)
The Man in the Iron Mask (1977) .... Fouquet
Silver Streak (1976) .... Roger Devereau
A Genius, Two Friends, and an Idiot (1975) .... Major Cabot
Mary, Queen of Scots (1971) .... James Stuart
The Moonshine War (1970) .... Frank Long
Students should bear in mind he was 40 years-old by the time he
escaped the village..... He had made the equivalent of 40 movies in
terms of screen time, in Danger Man alone, prior to 1966.
Martin
LOL very good!
Ignis Fatuus
You missed Catch My Soul (1974); but then so did everybody else. I'm
the only person in the Universe with a copy of the original soundtrack
album.
redcat
Catch My Soul (1973)
Time Out film review:
"Lame attempt to film Jack Good's rock opera version of Shakespeare's
Othello, a folly which started life on the stage. Hampered all the way
by McGoohan's languorous direction, which lets each appalling moment of
this uncomfortable hybrid of grade-school Shakespeare and grade-school
religion sink wincingly in."
Ouchers!
Halmyre
OK, I was being a bit harsh for comic effect. I'll get my coat.
The appearance of one of the puppets in Captain Scarlet (the World
President) was based on Patrick, he was supposed to provide the voice
as well but they couldn't afford him.
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Halmyre
Ignis Fatuus
wrote:
McGoohan's final fling at Genius. Think Fall Out for the Big Screen.
roger
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> a folly which started life on the stage.
I saw the original stage version. The songs were unmemorable and the casting
questionable - especially re those who couldn't remember their few lines!
Moor Larkin
> On Wed, 04 Aug 2010 20:26:24 -0400, redcat <red...@ix.netcom.com>
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> >On 8/4/2010 7:17 PM, Ignis Fatuus wrote:
> >> On Wed, 4 Aug 2010 07:25:59 -0700 (PDT), Moor Larkin
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Now you're really getting confused. Genius was the movie he did with
that Italian bloke called Terence.
btw.... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Catch-My-Soul-Original-Sound-Track-RCA-/360284948276?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_Records&hash=item53e2a80734
.......You've got four days left to corner the universal
market.......... :-)))))))
Dry Gulch Pete
In the mid-60s on American TV he was The Scarecrow of Romney Marsh in
a series made by Disney - sadly all we got in the UK was an edited-
down movie version (shown in cinemas as a supporting feature) called
Dr. Syn Alias The Scarecrow.
redcat
Oh, man, if you want to talk editing, this is a bit to the side but in
the 2008 DVD release there are people in the extra bits section talking
a blue streak about the production and repeating one another; most of it
unnecessary. Then you get to the interview with PMG, you settle in your
chair and BOOM! It's OVER. He's on for about one minute. Grrrrr.
Moor Larkin
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At least in the Disney "making of" dvd all the jabbering heads seem
both informed and polite about him.... :-))))
http://www.flickr.com/photos/11417707@N04/4393617456/
Just returning (if anyone wants to) to the original query about
Ordering however..... Was it mere coincidence George, that that darned
cat from Dance of the Dead was in the immediately preceeding episode?
Many Happy Returns....
That seems like some evidence of pretty deliberate ordering to me.
Also, the otherwise possibly confusing dialogue when #6 refers to
himself as being *new*, in Dance of the Dead also makes perfect sense
in the context that within the immediately preceeding episode #6 has
just been parachuted *back* into the village. All the *new* aspects of
the village (eg Town Hall electrocution) that are referred to within
Dance of the Dead also make sense only because of the context of Many
Happy Returns wherein #6's has a month or so away from the world of
badges and blazers and in dance of the Dead, he has truly just
arrived... again.
Furthermore the whole notion of the floating dead body in the sea,
within the plot of Dance of the Dead) is explicitly in order to make
it appear that #6 is dead. The Colonel from Many Happy Returns
evidently had some affection for his friend "who never gives up" so if
the Colonel should have got on the trail of the prisoner, then it
could have led to all sorts of complications.
The unspoken conclusion of Many Happy Returns would have been that jet-
plane never returned to England. (it's obvious that the milkman would
not have returned the jet to base) #6 would have appeared to be
*lost*. Dance of the Dead meant that nobody would ever come looking
for him beacuase he was now known to be dead.
Offramp
> "Well, it meant that the rest of my career was defined by guest
> appearances on 'Colombo'".
Yes - he was very good in them, though.
I've always thought that George Hamilton's best roles were the dozen
or so murders he did in Colombo.
However did he get a part in Godfather III: The Revenge?
Offramp
He wanted $100,000,000!!
Brian Watson
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I believe he was in the paintshop for a respray when they cast that.
Brian Watson
> The appearance of one of the puppets in Captain Scarlet (the World
> President) was based on Patrick, he was supposed to provide the voice
> as well but they couldn't afford him.
: He wanted $100,000,000!!
Do you have a source for that or did you just make it up?
Moor Larkin
> "Offramp" <alaneobr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
It's an Official Story so it must be true.
Apparently they only offered him $99,999,999 and he flew into a rage,
leapt onto the Puppet Masters desk, kicked all the cigars out of the
window and then left the room and fled to Switzerland because he had
gone completely cuckoo and Orson had once told him that it was the
Swiss who had invented the cuckoo clock, and he felt he needed some
time out.
These facts are evidentally true because everyone knows them but
evidentially false because they fit no other known actual events.
Somebody should write a book... One for children..... everywhere.
Offramp
> On 8 Aug, 14:12, "Brian Watson" <Br...@imagebus.co.uk> wrote:
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> > "Offramp" <alaneobr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > The appearance of one of the puppets in Captain Scarlet (the World
> > > President) was based on Patrick, he was supposed to provide the voice
> > > as well but they couldn't afford him.
>
> > : He wanted $100,000,000!!
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> > Do you have a source for that or did you just make it up?
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> > --
> > Brian
> > "Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."www.imagebus.co.uk/shop
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> It's an Official Story so it must be true.
>
> Apparently they only offered him $99,999,999 and he flew into a rage,
That is the way I remember it.
Brian Watson
Thinks: the first cuckoos of spring are late this year...
:-)
