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Thomas Rucki

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Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
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Hi,

I'm new to this forum.
I always ask myself where do the Village's officials really come from?
(1) UK's secret service
(2) USSR's KGB
(3) USA's CIA
(4) Mafia
(5) Alien beings
(6) Who knows?
Best,

Tom


Paul Guglietta

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Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
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>Hi,

>Tom

My answer: All Of The Above

BCNU

PCG


Theophilus Bos

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Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
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Thomas Rucki wrote ...
<snip>
>(6) Who knows?

Should that read, "Six, who knows!"

BCNU
Phil

Cathy

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Dec 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/18/99
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Truly, they can come from any or all of the sources you list below.
That's one of the puzzles in the Prisoner: "Who's side are you on?"

To side step: I was wondering where the "heavies" come from. Perhaps
they are recruited from prisons in the outside world. They had life
sentences, but certain ones were given the option to live out their days
being heavies in the Village, knowing there was never a chance of ever
going home.

bcnu,

Cathy

reginold n. user

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Dec 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/19/99
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>> I always ask myself where do the Village's officials really come from?

Well, we did see one election in the show, right?

--reg

Ian Thal

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Dec 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/19/99
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And where do nominees come from? Elections for Number 2 show that the
Village is one where citizens may vote for Number 2 and Two equals Two
equals Two equals Two.

The outcome of every election is that there is a Number Two.

What's great about the Village is that the citizens may always vote for
Number Two. That's what the Village is all about.

Be seeing you too!

Brian Bollen

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In article <385BCD3D...@hotmail.com> , Thomas Rucki
<fili...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I'm new to this forum.

>I always ask myself where do the Village's officials really come from?

>(1) UK's secret service
>(2) USSR's KGB
>(3) USA's CIA
>(4) Mafia
>(5) Alien beings
>(6) Who knows?
>Best,
>
>Tom
>

Six of one, half a dozen of the other?

Brian

Steven Mugeridge

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Thomas Rucki wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm new to this forum.
> I always ask myself where do the Village's officials really come from?
> (1) UK's secret service
> (2) USSR's KGB
> (3) USA's CIA
> (4) Mafia
> (5) Alien beings
> (6) Who knows?
> Best,
>
> Tom

If you want a rather complex view, these are all aspects of the same
man. I say this because throughout the series we are kept guessing the
identity of Number 1, as is Number 6. In the final episode Number 1 is
revealed as the same person as Number 6. This is after a sequence of
Number 2's have been overcome. My interpretation of this magnificent
work is that it is a view of schizophrenia and that the combat with each
Number 2 is a man overcoming negative aspects of his own character. The
final realization is that he has been his own 'enemy'.

Just my view

Steve

Thomas Rucki

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> If you want a rather complex view, these are all aspects of the same
> man. I say this because throughout the series we are kept guessing the
> identity of Number 1, as is Number 6. In the final episode Number 1 is
> revealed as the same person as Number 6. This is after a sequence of
> Number 2's have been overcome. My interpretation of this magnificent
> work is that it is a view of schizophrenia and that the combat with each
> Number 2 is a man overcoming negative aspects of his own character. The
> final realization is that he has been his own 'enemy'.
>
> Just my view
>
> Steve

Interesting point. In other words, the whole show takes place not in the
Village
but inside Number 6's brain: The Prisoner is the first intimist espionage
series
or should I say how does an iron spy think and feel! The series is an
illusion
or a purely theoretical view. It is a self-challenge for #6 :
he struggles against the monsters of his mind (Id).
I always consider the Village as a place where UK's secret service send
their agents
to test them because in the episode "Happy Many Return", #6 comes back in
London
and in the end returns in the Village. In my opinion, the message will be
that
all secret services are vicious and sadistic in order to prove their
supremacy.
The Village is a huge laboratory and camp.
#6 is a guinea pig in the suffocating maze of the World Order.
« Your communauty needs you! Be seeing you! »

Tom

joe

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Dec 25, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/25/99
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Glad somebody explained this. I was confused while watching the last episode,
thanks to both of you, Joe.

chrismorgan

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Dec 26, 1999, 3:00:00 AM12/26/99
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...and "Happy Many Return" to you too Tom!! LOL!

Busy in you!

Chris

Thomas Rucki <fili...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I always consider the Village as a place where UK's secret service send
> their agents to test them because in the episode "Happy Many Return", #6
comes back in
> London and in the end returns in the Village.

Steven Mugeridge

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Thomas Rucki wrote:
>
> > If you want a rather complex view, these are all aspects of the same
> > man. I say this because throughout the series we are kept guessing the
> > identity of Number 1, as is Number 6. In the final episode Number 1 is
> > revealed as the same person as Number 6. This is after a sequence of
> > Number 2's have been overcome. My interpretation of this magnificent
> > work is that it is a view of schizophrenia and that the combat with each
> > Number 2 is a man overcoming negative aspects of his own character. The
> > final realization is that he has been his own 'enemy'.
> >
> > Just my view
> >
> > Steve
>
> Interesting point. In other words, the whole show takes place not in the
> Village
> but inside Number 6's brain: The Prisoner is the first intimist espionage
> series
> or should I say how does an iron spy think and feel! The series is an
> illusion
> or a purely theoretical view. It is a self-challenge for #6 :
> he struggles against the monsters of his mind (Id).

> I always consider the Village as a place where UK's secret service send
> their agents
> to test them because in the episode "Happy Many Return", #6 comes back in
> London

> and in the end returns in the Village. In my opinion, the message will be
> that
> all secret services are vicious and sadistic in order to prove their
> supremacy.
> The Village is a huge laboratory and camp.
> #6 is a guinea pig in the suffocating maze of the World Order.

> « Your communauty needs you! Be seeing you! »
>
> Tom

Not exactly Tom. To appreciate my interpretation, one needs to look at
this series in the context of period; post World War 2 England. This
protracted conflict left not only physical injuries but mental scars
too. War is a dirty business during which combatants are required to
indulge in what would be considered heinous crimes in peacetime:
killing, bombing, wholesale destruction and all kinds of dirty tricks in
the intelligence agencies. These activities are abhorrent to most
civilized people and fly in the face of most moral teaching. War is
sometimes justified in terms of the crimes of the opponent but the fact
remains that war requires people to redefine the boundaries of their
behaviour.

In the title sequence, we see a man working in the inelegance sector
explode with rage at work and walk out. He goes home and is pursued. He
is sedated and awakes in the bizarre world of The Village. Is this not
what happens to someone who is mentally ill? Drugged and taken to some
mental institution.

My interpretation is that The Village is the world as _perceived_ by
one aspect of this disturbed person. Some of the people are real and
some different aspects of the same person. From the perspective of the
ill person, it is not possible to distinguish between real people and
different internal aspects of himself. Thus I see the sequence of Number
2s as negative 'personalities' within The Prisoner. One by one, Number 6
overcomes these 'people' until at the end - "Fallout" - we see Number 6
in isolation with a Number 2 and regression to childhood takes place.
This is a portrayal of a man in mortal conflict with himself. One
sentence stands out to me "Not a rat". This is the moral person
overcoming the immoral behaviour that have been brought out during this
persons work in the intelligence agencies. At this point Number 2 dies
for no other reson than the force of the personallity of Number 6.

We then go to the court room sequence. I see the faceless jury as
people that Number 6 might meet. He is congratulated for his triumph and
then he tries to explain himself. He is met by incoherent noises that
drown him out whenever he attempts to speak. I see this as a person who
has recovered for mental illness attempting to describe his ordeal to
'normal' people who just cannot understand what he has been through.
Other aspects of this series are characteristic of schizophrenia too;
for example The Control Room. I believe it is common for schizophrenics
to think that we are all being controlled my machines. Also, the all
seeing eye - as The Number 2s are the same person as Number 6, it is
inevitable that Number 2 will always know what Number 6 is doing.
Finally, the illusive obstacle to freedom, Number 1 is revealed as non
other than Number 6 himself. The recurrent question from the Number 2s
is "Why did you resign?" The negative aspects of The Prisoner cannot see
why this person through in his job in. The reason is the emergence of
conscience.

What of The Rover - the bouncing white ball that appears when someone
steps out of line? I see this as a representation of a sedative pill.
The size is indicative of the metal perception of the sedative rather
than the physical size of the pill. To illustrate this, speaking from a
male perspective, the metal perception of the penis is far greater than
it's physical size.

When I viewed this wonderful and thought provoking series for the first
time, my initial reaction was "What motivates the captors to be some
vindictive and malicious"? It was not until I have seen the entire
series that I formed my current view. I think this series gives some
insight into the suffering that many mentally ill people experience,
this being compounded by the lake of understanding from normal people.

Just my view - flame me if you like.

Steven Mugeridge

Steven Mugeridge

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the_new_n...@hotmail.com wrote:


>
> On Tue, 28 Dec 1999 23:32:28 +0000, Steven Mugeridge <gg...@dial.pipex.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > What of The Rover - the bouncing white ball that appears when someone
> >steps out of line? I see this as a representation of a sedative pill.
> >The size is indicative of the metal perception of the sedative rather
> >than the physical size of the pill. To illustrate this, speaking from a
> >male perspective, the metal perception of the penis is far greater than
> >it's physical size.
>

> ACtually, rover was supposed to be a machine, but they couldn't get it to
> work, and the weather balloon was a cheap and extremely effective special
> effect.
>
> 2

OK Maybe I have gone a bit too far in my interpretation here. Do you
agree with the rest of my analysis?

Steven Mugeridge

Gerd Schmerse

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Steven Mugeridge re "Re: Where do the officials of the Village come
from?" (Thu, 30 Dec 1999 07:31:29 +0000):

>> > What of The Rover - the bouncing white ball that appears when someone

You gave an excellent interpretation - and therefore it is not
important, if it was intended as a machine or a balloon; that is only a
nice bit of extra information.

Gerd
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dave pierson

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Steven Mugeridge wrote:

> Thomas Rucki wrote:

> > > If you want a rather complex view, these are all aspects of the same
> > > man. I say this because throughout the series we are kept guessing the
> > > identity of Number 1, as is Number 6. In the final episode Number 1 is
> > > revealed as the same person as Number 6. This is after a sequence of
> > > Number 2's have been overcome. My interpretation of this magnificent
> > > work is that it is a view of schizophrenia and that the combat with each
> > > Number 2 is a man overcoming negative aspects of his own character. The
> > > final realization is that he has been his own 'enemy'.

> > Interesting point. In other words, the whole show takes place not in the


> > Village
> > but inside Number 6's brain: The Prisoner is the first intimist espionage
> > series
> > or should I say how does an iron spy think and feel! The series is an
> > illusion or a purely theoretical view. It is a self-challenge for #6 :
> > he struggles against the monsters of his mind (Id).
> > I always consider the Village as a place where UK's secret service send
> > their agents
> > to test them because in the episode "Happy Many Return", #6 comes back in
> > London
> > and in the end returns in the Village. In my opinion, the message will be
> > that
> > all secret services are vicious and sadistic in order to prove their
> > supremacy.
> > The Village is a huge laboratory and camp.
> > #6 is a guinea pig in the suffocating maze of the World Order.
> > « Your communauty needs you! Be seeing you! »

> Not exactly Tom. To appreciate my interpretation, one needs to look at
> this series in the context of period; post World War 2 England. This
> protracted conflict left not only physical injuries but mental scars
> too. War is a dirty business during which combatants are required to
> indulge in what would be considered heinous crimes in peacetime:
> killing, bombing, wholesale destruction and all kinds of dirty tricks in
> the intelligence agencies. These activities are abhorrent to most
> civilized people and fly in the face of most moral teaching. War is
> sometimes justified in terms of the crimes of the opponent but the fact
> remains that war requires people to redefine the boundaries of their
> behaviour.

errrr. Yes. However WWII had been over for 20 years. T_P was
(proabably), at most, a teenager during the war. Current events
were:
Cold War
Massive penetration by Soviet Intel of UK Intel
Opening of Viet Nam war.



> In the title sequence, we see a man working in the inelegance sector
> explode with rage at work and walk out. He goes home and is pursued. He
> is sedated and awakes in the bizarre world of The Village. Is this not
> what happens to someone who is mentally ill? Drugged and taken to some
> mental institution.

> My interpretation is that The Village is the world as _perceived_ by
> one aspect of this disturbed person. Some of the people are real and
> some different aspects of the same person. From the perspective of the
> ill person, it is not possible to distinguish between real people and
> different internal aspects of himself. Thus I see the sequence of Number
> 2s as negative 'personalities' within The Prisoner. One by one, Number 6
> overcomes these 'people' until at the end - "Fallout" - we see Number 6
> in isolation with a Number 2 and regression to childhood takes place.
> This is a portrayal of a man in mortal conflict with himself. One
> sentence stands out to me "Not a rat". This is the moral person
> overcoming the immoral behaviour that have been brought out during this
> persons work in the intelligence agencies. At this point Number 2 dies
> for no other reson than the force of the personallity of Number 6.

However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational person,
no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?

Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I fail to
see anything persuasive...

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Steven Mugeridge

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>
> errrr. Yes. However WWII had been over for 20 years. T_P was
> (proabably), at most, a teenager during the war. Current events
> were:
> Cold War
> Massive penetration by Soviet Intel of UK Intel
> Opening of Viet Nam war.
>
This is true, but the UK was still very much under the influence of a
post war culture and reconstruction was very much a part of the Uk's
political scene. 'Nam was a big issue at the time too. We never got a
view of The Prisoner's job prior to his incarceration, but there were
many references to his role in high important secret work. I think it is
clear that he was involved in some sort of MI6 type stuff.


> <snip>

> However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational person,
> no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?
>

Yes, Number 6 _IS_ the rational part of a person with multiple
characters.


<snip>

> Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I fail to
> see anything persuasive...
>

No - I would not agree with this interpretation. There is not
indication of disability.

Steven Mugeridge

reginold n. user

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>
>> However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational person,
>> no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?
>>

>


>> Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I fail to
>> see anything persuasive...
>>


If we're seeing the series through TP's eyes, you wouldn't.

"We're ALL heros in our own mind ... even me."
--The White Queen
Supreem Dictator of the Universe in the 'Warlock' comic


We're all sane in our own mind...even me.
-reg

Steven Mugeridge

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"reginold n. user" wrote:
>
> >
> >> However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational person,
> >> no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?
> >>
>
> >

> >> Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I fail to
> >> see anything persuasive...
> >>
>

> If we're seeing the series through TP's eyes, you wouldn't.
>
> "We're ALL heros in our own mind ... even me."
> --The White Queen

I see what you are saying, but if WE are looking through TP's eyes, I
think WE would see something wrong.

Steven Mugeridge

Antaeus Feldspar

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Steven Mugeridge <gg...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:

> "reginold n. user" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >> However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational person,
> > >> no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?
> > >>
> >
> > >

> > >> Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I fail to
> > >> see anything persuasive...
> > >>
> >

> > If we're seeing the series through TP's eyes, you wouldn't.
> >
> > "We're ALL heros in our own mind ... even me."
> > --The White Queen
>
> I see what you are saying, but if WE are looking through TP's eyes, I
> think WE would see something wrong.
>
> Steven Mugeridge

We the audience *aren't* seeing through TP's eyes. We're seeing
things that he doesn't see, that he's not even there for.
You can postulate, of course, that even those things which
Number Six never knows about are really imagined by the "true" Number
Six in whose mind the whole Village and the supposedly real Number Six
have their sole existence.
But, the minute you start creating huge structures of that
nature, theories which exist not to explain the evidence but to return
viability to a disproved hypothesis, you might as well start theorizing
that "Hamlet" is all about baseball.

-jc
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In article <1e3osgd.ptb...@bsg-ma1b-151.ix.netcom.com>,

feld...@cryogen.com (Antaeus Feldspar) wrote:
> Steven Mugeridge <gg...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > "reginold n. user" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> However all of T_P's actions are those of a rational
person,
> > > >> no? At what point does he act 'mentally ill'?
> > > >>
> > >
> > > >
> > > >> Others have proposed that T_P is mentally disabled. I
fail to
> > > >> see anything persuasive...
> > > >>
> > >
> > > If we're seeing the series through TP's eyes, you wouldn't.
> > >
> > > "We're ALL heros in our own mind ... even me."
> > > --The White Queen
> >
> > I see what you are saying, but if WE are looking through TP's eyes,
I
> > think WE would see something wrong.
> >
> > Steven Mugeridge
>
> We the audience *aren't* seeing through TP's eyes. We're
seeing
> things that he doesn't see, that he's not even there for.
> You can postulate, of course, that even those things which
> Number Six never knows about are really imagined by the "true" Number
> Six in whose mind the whole Village and the supposedly real Number Six
> have their sole existence.
> But, the minute you start creating huge structures of that
> nature, theories which exist not to explain the evidence but to return
> viability to a disproved hypothesis, you might as well start
theorizing
> that "Hamlet" is all about baseball.
>
> -jc
> "A hit! a hit! A palpable hit!"
>
> --
> * -jc IS *NOW* feld...@cryogen.com


I wish I could remember the name of the man who "showed" that the
Pyramids where based on bible chapters and verses.
This is the problem with making up theories . You can go too far, and
still prove yourself right.I do not discount the madness theory, but I
do not subscribe to it.


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reginold n. user

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> I see what you are saying, but if WE are looking through TP's eyes,
> I think WE would see something wrong.

I see a lot wrong.
How about 'Rover', as a quick example.
Have you ever seen such a critter/machine in real life?
We associeate with TP, and justify the weird stuff. We forget that its weird.
This is the road to madness. (or fandom :-)

i don't, myself, subscribe to the 'madness' theroy,
but i'm solidly in the 'Prisoner as allegory' camp.
It COULD be allegory for madness.

>> We the audience *aren't* seeing through TP's eyes. We're
>seeing things that he doesn't see, that he's not even there for.

Not litterialy.
But in the sense that TP is set up as the hero/victum.
We see things through his perspective/worldview.
Even if he aint there, we're presented things in such a way,
that we draw the same conclusions that he would.


-reg

reginold n. user

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Oops, i forgot my conclusion;

So if TP was mad,
he wouldn't recognise it,
and therefor neather would we.


(but i'm begining to worry about those folks in the 'literialist' camp :-)

-reg

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Antaeus Feldspar

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reginold n. user <reg...@rochester.rr.com.remove-this-spamblock> wrote:

> > I see what you are saying, but if WE are looking through TP's eyes,
> > I think WE would see something wrong.
>
> I see a lot wrong.
> How about 'Rover', as a quick example.
> Have you ever seen such a critter/machine in real life?
> We associeate with TP, and justify the weird stuff. We forget that its weird.
> This is the road to madness. (or fandom :-)
>
> i don't, myself, subscribe to the 'madness' theroy,
> but i'm solidly in the 'Prisoner as allegory' camp.
> It COULD be allegory for madness.
>
>
>
> >> We the audience *aren't* seeing through TP's eyes. We're
> >seeing things that he doesn't see, that he's not even there for.
>
> Not litterialy.
> But in the sense that TP is set up as the hero/victum.
> We see things through his perspective/worldview.
> Even if he aint there, we're presented things in such a way,
> that we draw the same conclusions that he would.

This is exactly the point of view of which I was saying, "You
can believe that, because there's no evidence to disprove it. However,
there is no evidence to disprove because there *cannot be* any evidence
to disprove it; that does not mean it's true."
You are postulating that there are TWO Number Sixes. One Number
Six, the one we see on the TV screen, is inside the Village, which is
itself a hallucination inside the mind of the "real" Number Six.
We are supposed to believe that the existence of this "outer"
Number Six is supported by the fact that everything in the Village
corresponds to "his" idea of how it would be. Yet that is because we
*decided* that this "outer" Number Six was a paranoid in the first
place. No matter *what* the Village was like, we could postulate "ah,
everything is this way really because it's only a hallucination in the
head of someone who thinks everything is this way."

I think that far too many people have taken the wrong impression
of Impressionism from its keystone work, "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari."
If you see the film as it's generally presented, and as most people
think represents the intent of its creators, you see two men sitting in
a garden. One starts telling the other about something that happened in
a town he visited years back, and the action switches to that time and
place.
Within this flashback, everything is distorted; streets are
winding snakes and buildings are crooked dark monstrosities. Through
this twisted madscape, the 'hero' pursues the dark secret of the
carnival's Dr. Caligari and his somnabulist, Cesar: namely, that Dr.
Caligari has Cesar committing murders under hypnotic influence.
However, shortly after this horrible secret is uncovered, we
return to the garden where this story is being told, and we discover
that the storyteller is a patient in a mental institution, a paranoid
who has placed the kindly head of the institution into the villainous
role of Dr. Caligari in his delusions. The good Doctor is elated that,
with this new insight into his patient's pathology, there is renewed
hope of making him well once more.
What most people forget, or never knew, is that this "frame"
device does NOT reflect the creators' intentions, and was forced upon
them by governmental interference. The sinister doctor forcing a
sleepwalker to commit murder was a metaphor for a government forcing its
populace into a war. This message was recognized, and the film was
banned for that reason. The only way the creators could get the film
released was to add the frame device, which said, "This story, and hence
the message it contains, is a madman's delusions."
For decades people have been unwittingly taking their cues on
what Impressionism is from the censored, constrained version. They
think that the buildings are distorted and dark because they exist in
the mind of someone who's mad. That was not the intent of the creators.
Their intent was that the buildings are distorted and dark because *the
world* is mad.

> -reg

-jc

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Thomas Rucki

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Jan 1, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/1/00
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> I think that far too many people have taken the wrong impression
> of Impressionism from its keystone work, "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari."

Hello,

The precise name of the artistical movement is not Impressionism but
Expressionism:
actually, German Expressionism, whose artists like Otto Dix and Emil Nolde created

a new way of representation but which was recycled by film director Robert Wiene
in 1919
with "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari."
The whole Expressionist style was re-used by the Hollywood Studios during their
Golden Age
(from the 1930s to the 1950s), especially in the B-movies (horror庸ilm
noir妖etective story耀ci-fi
and even western).

reginold n. user

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Jan 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/2/00
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Jeez!....
I'm sorry i got into this thread, you guys are taking this too literally.
I repeat:
i don't, myself, subscribe to the 'madness' theory,

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> This is exactly the point of view of which I was saying, "You
> can believe that, because there's no evidence to disprove it. However,
> there is no evidence to disprove because there *cannot be* any evidence
> to disprove it; that does not mean it's true."

Good point.
I don't buy this when the topic is religion, yet here i am using it.
But it's just a tv show, so i don't mind being a hypocrite :-)

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> You are postulating that there are TWO Number Sixes. One Number
>Six, the one we see on the TV screen, is inside the Village, which is
>itself a hallucination inside the mind of the "real" Number Six.

NO, I AM NOT.
The closest i come to that, is postulating one #6, and one Patrick McGoohan.
This is basic storytelling. Nearly EVERY work of fiction does this.

What i'm saying;
Every person you've ever met in real life, or ever will meet, thinks of
themself as The Main Character of this story(life).... Even you.
So when a writer sets up a character as The Main Character,
we associate with that character, put ourselves in his place,
try to see things as he does.

Apparently, McGoohan was so successful in this, that some of us
(meaning you) are forgetting that it's allegory.
The 2nd, "real", or "outer" #6 that YOU postulate, is YOU.
You are ignoring the weird stuff, as only an inmate... er..
as only us S.F. fans would. :-)

Impressionism/expressionism and Dr.C have nothing to do with it.
The Prisoner series is ALLEGORY.
As Dr.C is a metaphor for the military draft(?).
TP is a metaphor for ??fill-in-the-blank??

My view is, it's 'the individual vs. society'
Others here postulate it's 'madness'
I can see 'madness'. I can't see you literal interpretations.


This is too deep for me. I hope i don't get sucked back into this thread.
--reg
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NEHooligan

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Jan 2, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/2/00
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Getting back to the original question --
Based on recent evidence, I would submit that the officials of the Village came
from the International Olympic Committee.

This would also help to explain the ability of the Village to move from place
to place. You see, when a particular city or country offered enough bribes, the
Village was moved to that locale.

dave pierson

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Jan 3, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/3/00
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NEHooligan wrote:

hmmmm
...do drugs...

Steven Mugeridge

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Jan 17, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/17/00
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A very interesting post. In some senses, I can appreciate the
interpretation
of TP as one man against society. This is applicable to my
interpretation. I
see #6 as the natural personality of one particular man. I see the split
personality as being a response of this person who has been forced by
his job
into performing acts which he was brought to to regards as immoral. The
difference in interpretation comes from how one chooses to interpret the
relation between the various #2s and #6. I see these as being different
personalities within one person because of the final episode - fallout.
Here #1 is shown as the same person as #6. It is this single fact that
leads
me to the schizophrenia interpretation.

Steven Mugeridge


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