Yuck
redcat
September issue at my local beauty shop. I was surprised to find a
sliver of an item about AMC's new Prisoner series. They spoke to Jaime
Campbell-Bower, who is Number 2's son in the new series. Right off the
bat he tells us what was wrong with the original. I paraphrase slightly
since I don't have the mag in hand: It was fucked up. And all the
production guys were on LSD, it was widely-rumoured. The new series will
not be so alienating; the producers are watching out for this. It will
be more Americanized.
Don't shoot the messenger :-)
redcat
Rusty Magic
Wow, that gave me a good laugh. Thankyou.
I wouldn't take anything this kid says with any amount of validity.
Wow.
Jan
I sure hope they don't mess this up. There's a whole generation out
there who will be introduced to The Prisoner based on this show.
redcat
Yeah, and that generation is Jaime Campbell-Bower's! (Son of Number 2,
after all. It's spelled out!)
redcat
redcat
Well, any other kid. But this one is IN the series --
maybe in every episode ;-)
He's a rebel, yeah: The original Prisoner was fucked up and this one was
created to capture eyeballs for sponsors. Oy!
It's almost upon us, kiddies! (Just like Rover.)
Have a nice weekend,
redcat
roger
news:0pCdnafsSPhUcQvX...@earthlink.com...
Barbara wanted some more message traffic so for starters:
1. Is JCB using "Americanized" as a pejorative?
2. If the decent-minded reaction to JCB's venture into '60s tv criticism is
that the guy hasn't a clue what he's talking about, does that then mean that
he's also wrong about AMC's project being "Americanized"?
3. Given AMC's keenness to ride on the coat-tails (if not the back) of ITC's
The Prisoner, are AMC's PR department happy that they let JCB talk to Nylon
without a minder?
www.priz.biz
the only international online Prisoner e-tail store
("deals in dollars, ships worldwide")
Jill Mills
They spoke to Jaime
> Campbell-Bower, who is Number 2's son in the new series. Right off the bat
> he tells us what was wrong with the original. I paraphrase slightly since
> I don't have the mag in hand: It was fucked up. And all the production
> guys were on LSD, it was widely-rumoured. The new series will not be so
> alienating; the producers are watching out for this. It will be more
> Americanized.
>
> Don't shoot the messenger :-)
>
> redcat
Ah, Youth with its enthusiasms!
(which rebels against any accepted norm must because it must-and we
sympathize!)
Revolt can take many forms.... ;-)
There's no getting away from it, though, is there?
The bones are yours, Dad.
They came from you my Daddy.... :-)
Jill
Jill Mills
I shall watch with interest.
Jill
roger
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> Roger, I'm glad to hear he thinks they've improved a masterpiece.
Here's JCB's exact words (in that anything one says to a journo can be
relayed exactly) from Nylon:
Re ITC's The Prisoner: "This show is pretty fucked up. It's absolutely nuts.
They pushed a lot of boundaries in the original. All the guys who were doing
it were on LSD, improvising a lot."
Re AMC's The Prisoner: "But this one is far more Americanized than its
predecessor. Nowadays producers are much more concerned with ratings and
things. There's not really so much audience alienation".
So the final episode of ITC's The Prisoner in 1968 drew a UK audience of
11,000,000, while some of the 1983 Channel 4 rescreenings clocked 2,250,000
UK viewers and the BBC's tv review programme 'Did You See ...?', when
discussing the show at the same time, drew an audience of 3,250,000.
Young Campbell-Bower has set himself and his "Amercanized" follow-up a fine
target.
redcat
main points that made it to Nylon were part of his original words: The
articulate dismissal of the original; the LSD; the Americanization.
Perhaps his "Americanization" is his pre-apology for what we'll see as
his not particularly inspired acting: If not for the box of Instant
Americanization added to the mix, Campbell-Bower coulda been a contender!
Hey, at least the ng woke up a bit.
Good thing I went to the beauty shop. ...Hey, hang on just a darn minute
there!
:-)
Cat
Brian Watson
Hilarious. He's British, Ian McKellan's British (that's two out of three of
the leads).
Er, this Nylon magazine... Is it the sort of magazine I suspect it is?
;-)
--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."
www.imagebus.co.uk/shop
redcat
It's for a specialized segment of the polymer industry.
redcat
Brian Watson
That's SORT OF what I thought.
Moor Larkin
> I wouldn't take anything this kid says with any amount of validity.
I googled the term L.S.D., and the word McGoohan, and got 2,600
hits..!!....
Yeah Man!
Even I haven't got time to leaf through all of them, but.......
Hey! here's the top o' the list!! http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/article17.htm
As you can see from here:
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.tv.prisoner/browse_thread/thread/7411186211cc10ab/9838e9e0e32a1611?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=lsd+mcgoohan
Some Prisoner fans have evidently been talking, if not taking, shit,
for many years...... so the JCB is just digging up a smelly old
bone......
What puzzles me is that how it can have been going on for at least 20
years and this NG feigns shock-horror........ :-)))))) I think LSD
even got a mention on the last most-recent best-ever dvd issue.....
Pat Jackson said he was a day-tripper I think.
People in glass houses should never get stoned though.
Rick Davy
"Moor Larkin" <moorl...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
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> On 28 Aug, 11:56, Rusty Magic <rustima...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't take anything this kid says with any amount of validity.
>
>
> I googled the term L.S.D., and the word McGoohan, and got 2,600
> hits..!!....
> Yeah Man!
> Even I haven't got time to leaf through all of them, but.......
> Hey! here's the top o' the list!!
http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/article17.htm
>
Moor, your reference to the (excellent) article hosted at The Unmutual is
very misleading, at no point does it say anyone involved with TP was on LSD!
I typed in Moor + Wrong and got over a million hits.
Rick
redcat
my attention were the descriptions of the bright zig-zagging patterns,
the colors and the Gothic structures. The author of this was describing
what I see when I get an aural migraine. Perhaps PMG suffered from these
and the psychedelic visions in The Prisoner sprung from his head fully
formed as a result.
redcat
Moor Larkin
http://www.theunmutual.co.uk/article17.htm
>
>
>
> Moor, your reference to the (excellent) article hosted at The Unmutual is
> very misleading, at no point does it say anyone involved with TP was on LSD!
I know it doesn't. It's a perfectly reasonable article, written by a
guy who conducted one of the most excellent interviews with Patrick
McGoohan once upon a time. My point was that the ribbing of some young
[American] actor on here is rather unfair given that prisoner fans
have been wittering about LSD and the show for donkeys years. It's
hardly surprising that the guy might have got the wrong end of the
stick. Even the BBC did it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/prisoner/episodeguide/sixteen.shtml
I'm not so sure the crew at least were not *drug-influenced* anyhow.
Wasn't there some guy called Mark [?] that Ian Rakoff referred to as a
possibility? And I wonder -did Pat Jackson drop acid before or after
his involvement with the zany and obssessional P ?....... ;-))
>
> I typed in Moor + Wrong and got over a million hits.
>
> Rick
I typed in Rick + Wrong and got over 20million, but Rick is a much
more common name...... ;-)))
Moor
David Catterall
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/prisoner/episodeguide/sixteen.shtml
Thanks, Moor,
That's the funniest Priz item I've read in years!
David
Dewey
@news.eternal-september.org:
I couldn't figure out why the chose to have someone who so obviously
detests the show writing reviews. They had moments of amusement but
mostly just the guy grinding his axe. A disservice to the fans.
--
"I talked to God about that and he was like, 'No.'"
- Joe The Plumber, hearing the voices
redcat
> David Catterall <DJC...@Eircom.net> wrote in news:h7r18p$mef$1
> @news.eternal-september.org:
>
>> Moor Larkin cited:
>>
>>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/classic/prisoner/episodeguide/sixteen.shtml
>> Thanks, Moor,
>>
>> That's the funniest Priz item I've read in years!
>>
>> David
>>
>
> I couldn't figure out why the chose to have someone who so obviously
> detests the show writing reviews. They had moments of amusement but
> mostly just the guy grinding his axe. A disservice to the fans.
>
He did say the first ep was sharp. And cites as "wonderful" The Girl Who
Was Death; another prop room mishmash, only with bigger props and Mary
Quant make-up (so say I). I think rather than detesting the show, he was
disappointed by it. The big mistake in the article was spending so much
space up front on the writer's very own self-indulgent, childhood
memories of his prop room. But since that was his first thought, it must
have been right. You don't think he actually *worked* on it? ;-)
redcat
redcat
BTW, I don't think it's certain Prisoner scripts or self-indulgence that
should be seen as potential sources of embarrassment. Rather the
continuing assumption of kinship to the series by the nerdish community:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/28/escape_from_blogger/
redcat
Dewey
news:q_idnRzwhb23vDzX...@earthlink.com:
I was refering more to the entire body of reviews. Read his review of
Arrival and then tell me if you think he found it "sharp".
redcat
From the article by J. Morris about episode 16 that we just read.
Here's his "sharp" reference to "Arrival":
"Oh, but this marks a sudden downturn in the quality of the show.
Remember, we're only a dozen episodes away from Arrival. That episode
was beautiful - it was smart, it was sharp, it looked like Bond, it was
on location, it was witty, it was fast."
redcat
Dewey
news:-MSdnUSbZYYrrzzX...@earthlink.com:
From his review of Arrival:
It's odd, watching it for the first time now as it's filtered through
all the things that came afterwards - The Truman Show, for instance, or
Zardoz. Which can make The Prisoner seem somewhat corny. It also has a
some desperately na�ve 60's paranoia in it - the government controls our
lives! Maybe the village is like, an allegory for life! We are not free,
they just want us to think that! Aaaah.
Yeah, whatever. Get over it. You're not going to beat the system by
wearing black and reading Alan Moore comic strips (which are for
children) in your mum's attic surrounded by joss sticks and talking
about "the system" as though it comes with quotation marks.
redcat
Arrival when he thought back on it through the filter of OUAT.
Anyway, it was just a TV show.
Anyone planning on going to the London event?
rc
scoville
> redcat <red...@ix.netcom.com> wrote innews:-MSdnUSbZYYrrzzX...@earthlink.com:
> lives! Maybe the village is like, an allegory for life! We are not free,
> they just want us to think that! Aaaah.
>
> Yeah, whatever. Get over it. You're not going to beat the system by
> wearing black and reading Alan Moore comic strips (which are for
> children) in your mum's attic surrounded by joss sticks and talking
> about "the system" as though it comes with quotation marks.
>
> --
> "I talked to God about that and he was like, 'No.'"
>
> - Joe The Plumber, hearing the voices
"Alan Moore comic strips (which are for children)"
Absolutely. Lost Girls should be on every school curriculum ;o)
Steve Dix
<scov...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>"Alan Moore comic strips (which are for children)"
>
You can get arrested for that..
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Dick Spanner
> In case you don't read Nylon Magazine, I happened to page through the
> September issue at my local beauty shop. I was surprised to find a
> sliver of an item about AMC's new Prisoner series. They spoke to Jaime
> Campbell-Bower, who is Number 2's son in the new series. Right off the
> bat he tells us what was wrong with the original. I paraphrase slightly
> since I don't have the mag in hand: It was fucked up. And all the
> production guys were on LSD, it was widely-rumoured. The new series will
> not be so alienating; the producers are watching out for this. It will
> be more Americanized.
>