Another anthrax letter to another Democrat
Ed Lake
letter to Tom Daschle, was found yesterday. It was sent to Democratic
Senator Patrick Leahy. The evidence mounts that all the anthrax letters
were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
liberal media - probably an American.
Details:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011116/us/attacks_anthrax.html
This one nut case has cost America BILLIONS of dollars!
Ed
Victoria
>The evidence mounts that all the anthrax letters
>were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
>liberal media - probably an American.
I declare a jihad on homegrown haters who don't have the decency to go after
the real wastes of human protien - religious fundamentalists- and anyone I
think is an asshole.
Victoria
WWKD?
What Would Kali Do?
TVsHenry
media" however... I don't think there is any convincing evidence of who is
doing this.
Barry Gaudet
:>From: Ed Lake
You seem to be in a jihappy mood today.
Can we all give our jihad picks? Like a football pool?
I declare jihad on the Buffalo Bills and all those pinheads who get in
my way when I'm biking. [Yes, I do need _both_ sidewalks and 75% of the
road to boot!]
--
'Americans are arrogant and Canadians are smug.
Canadians don't mind American arrogance because
it gives us something to be smug about.'
Randy
wndsr...@aol.com (Victoria) wrote:
Damn girl, they liberate Nashville and you don't have to wear the
burka anymore and all you do is declare jihads, 3 at last count. I
thought you would have wanted to come three times instead.
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
Fox News? Tom Brokaw is on NBC news, and he is fairly liberal. And then
there's that tabloid publisher in Florida. I don't know if they would qualify
as being liberal, but they probably anger the Right for other reasons.
There's no convincing evidence of who is doing it, but there is a growing
amount of evidence that it's a homegrown terrorist. I think that's the
official FBI official line of investigation right now. Their profilers think
it's some quiet, reclusive guy who has trouble dealing with people, who works
in a lab of some kind, and who lives in or near New Jersey.
Ed
Laurel
>
>
> Damn girl, they liberate Nashville and you don't have to wear the
> burka anymore and all you do is declare jihads, 3 at last count. I
> thought you would have wanted to come three times instead.
That's the secret. You come every time you declare a jihad.
Laurel
Barry Gaudet
: TVsHenry wrote:
: TVsHenry,
And none of this profile precludes an aQ/ObL cell. Doesn't preclude
domestic loonies either.
--
'I may crack,
But I'll never shatter' -Meredith Brooks
TVsHenry
>From: Ed Lake det...@newsguy.com
>Date: 11/17/01 6:23 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BF6F175...@newsguy.com>
>
>TVsHenry wrote:
>
>> Such a person believes the NY Post and Fox News to be part of the "liberal
>> media" however... I don't think there is any convincing evidence of who is
>> doing this.
>
>TVsHenry,
>
>Fox News? Tom Brokaw is on NBC news, and he is fairly liberal. And then
>there's that tabloid publisher in Florida. I don't know if they would
>qualify
>as being liberal, but they probably anger the Right for other reasons.
>
Judging by what the tabloids have covered lately, I don't think so. Unless
you're talking about the Bush twins but if that were the case, People and Talk
would have received anthrax long ago.
>There's no convincing evidence of who is doing it, but there is a growing
>amount of evidence that it's a homegrown terrorist. I think that's the
>official FBI official line of investigation right now. Their profilers think
>it's some quiet, reclusive guy who has trouble dealing with people, who works
>in a lab of some kind, and who lives in or near New Jersey.
>
>Ed
>
Yes but that doesn't really pont towards any particular cause. There is
circumstantial evidence on both sides of the equation.
ralph
>
> Another letter from Trenton, postmarked the same day as the the anthrax
> letter to Tom Daschle, was found yesterday. It was sent to Democratic
> Senator Patrick Leahy. The evidence mounts that all the anthrax letters
> were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
> liberal media - probably an American.
Perhaps bin Laden has a gripe against vermont (leahy's state). Got some
bad cheddar or maple syrup or something.
>
> Details:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011116/us/attacks_anthrax.html
>
> This one nut case has cost America BILLIONS of dollars!
>
> Ed
--
All sigs are used up
So he takes pieces of all sigs
And makes himself a new sig.
ralph
>
> Victoria <wndsr...@aol.com> wrote:
> :>From: Ed Lake
>
> :>The evidence mounts that all the anthrax letters
> :>were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
> :>liberal media - probably an American.
>
> : I declare a jihad on homegrown haters who don't have the decency to go after
> : the real wastes of human protien - religious fundamentalists- and anyone I
> : think is an asshole.
>
> You seem to be in a jihappy mood today.
>
> Can we all give our jihad picks? Like a football pool?
>
> I declare jihad on the Buffalo Bills and all those pinheads who get in
> my way when I'm biking. [Yes, I do need _both_ sidewalks and 75% of the
> road to boot!]
I declare a fatwa on all jihads and a jihad on all fatwas.
>
> --
> 'Americans are arrogant and Canadians are smug.
> Canadians don't mind American arrogance because
> it gives us something to be smug about.'
--
ralph
I jihadded twice and fatwaed once.
ralph
A product of the madrassahs, such as Bob Jones U.
ralph
Hey I don't live that close.
>
> Ed
ralph
Maybe it is some 4th grade class's science project.
>
> --
> 'I may crack,
> But I'll never shatter' -Meredith Brooks
--
Ed Lake
Barry,
But that's the thinking of a conspiracy theorist. No amount of evidence or logic
will be enough to convince some people of things they don't want to believe.
Bill Maher and others seem to be convinced that the flight that crashed in Queens
could NOT be an accident - because it just seems too strange to have a plane crash
so soon and in that particular place.
If you weigh the evidence, the anthrax letters are almost certainly from some
domestic terrorist. The evidence made that clear as soon as it was learned who the
letters were addressed to (or to whom the letters were addressed). That immediately
said: Domestic Terrorist! The fact that it happened at such a time is not much
different than the fact that the crash in Queens happened at such a time. The
domestic terrorist was taking advantage of a situation, and the Queens crash was
just an unfortunate coincidence - according to the preponderance of evidence. IMO
Ed
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
I agree that we won't know why he did it until we catch the guy. And the FBI is
hinting that they have some leads and could make an arrest fairly soon.
But it's a good bet that a lot of people will not believe it was a lone domestic
terrorist even after he's caught, tried, convicted and executed. It's a good bet
that books will be written about how it had to be a conspiracy, and how the guy
was just a dupe set up by bin Laden or some right wing group - and/or that the guy
was innocent but the FBI faked evidence to convict him because they couldn't get
enough evidence to convict bin Laden.
Lone terrorists scare the crap out of people, and they just can't get their minds
around it. They feel much better thinking it's part of a large conspiracy - just
like in the movies.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Ed
Victoria
> You seem to be in a jihappy mood today.
Maybe when Disney does their filmed version of this decade, they will include a
song called "C'mon Everybody, Get Jihappy!"
>Can we all give our jihad picks? Like a football pool?
Have at it, Bubba!
-Victoria
(Keeping the hate alive...)
Victoria
>I declare a fatwa on all jihads and a jihad on all fatwas.
Well, big fat wah to you, too!
Victoria
>That's the secret. You come every time you declare a jihad.
Only works for the men, though...
Victoria
>Damn girl, they liberate Nashville and you don't have to wear the
>burka anymore and all you do is declare jihads, 3 at last count.
Forgive and forget is so overrated...
>I thought you would have wanted to come three times instead.
That's overrated, too.
TVsHenry
suspect, a Unabomber-like nebbish exploiting our current fearfulness to
prosecute an unrelated bioterror campaign. Two weeks earlier, the former naval
intelligence officer and Watergate sleuth, Bob Woodward, lent his byline to a
front-page story in the Washington Post citing both CIA and FBI for the theory
that anthrax was produced by a homegrown terrorist. Never mind that in both the
official and unofficial versions, the definition of homegrown is expanded to
encompass an immigrant speaking English as a second language. Never mind, also,
that neither press nor government seems overly interested in three anthrax
parcels sent locally by mail to targets in Pakistan." - Holman W. Jenkins Jr.
I completely forgot about the anthrax sent to other countries, didn't receive
much press... I am increasingly skeptical of the "homegrown" theory.
Barry Gaudet
:> : amount of evidence that it's a homegrown terrorist. I think that's the
:> : official FBI official line of investigation right now. Their profilers think
:> : it's some quiet, reclusive guy who has trouble dealing with people, who works
:> : in a lab of some kind, and who lives in or near New Jersey.
:>
:> And none of this profile precludes an aQ/ObL cell. Doesn't preclude
:> domestic loonies either.
: Barry,
: But that's the thinking of a conspiracy theorist.
That the profile doesn't preclude another possibility? *shrug*
: No amount of evidence
It's a profile not evidence. There is precious little evidence.
: or logic will be enough to convince some people of things they don't
: want to believe.
Ok, I've left in your summation of the profile. What specifically in it
precludes an aQ/ObL source?
: If you weigh the evidence, the anthrax letters are almost certainly from some
: domestic terrorist. The evidence made that clear as soon as it was learned who the
: letters were addressed to (or to whom the letters were addressed). That immediately
: said: Domestic Terrorist!
That is not evidence. That is speculation. It might turn out to be so but
I still doubt it.
If you look at the Fla letter: I can't think of why domestic loonies
would target a tabloid. I can see how a person unfamiliar with the culture,
who happened to rent from the wife of an AMI editor and who showed an
interest in crop dusters might have targeted them as a part of 'the
American media.'
But yes that is pure speculation and, IMHO, logical, but I'm not
claiming 'evidence' because there is none or the FBI would have caught
them. I disagree not so much with your alternate theory but that you
claim evidence where I see none.
But around and around we go. At this point we're just rehashing
differing points of view.
Laurel
>
> Perhaps bin Laden has a gripe against vermont (leahy's state). Got some
> bad cheddar or maple syrup or something.
It is incorrect to put "bad" in the same sentence as "cheddar" and
"maple syrup", unless you are saying something like, "I was *bad*, I ate
too much *cheddar* and *maple syrup* today."
Laurel
Ed Lake
Barry,
The "evidence" is the letters and the anthrax spores contained therein. The deductions
made from the content of the letters and evaluation of the spores is largely
"circumstantial evidence".
All the letters in the possession of the authorities appear - according to experts in such
matters - to have been written by the same person. That's circumstantial evidence. The
return addresses were a fictitious grade school - which indicates some knowledge of how
things work and what is likely to get read. More circumstantial evidence.
But I agree, we can argue all we want without resolving anything. We'll just have to wait
to see if the FBI can crack this one. It should be interesting if they do. But they
never found the Tylenol poisoner, it took them a decade to track down the New York "Mad
Bomber" of the 1940s, and it took them 20 years to track down the Unabomber, so the FBI's
record on domestic terrorists is far from perfect.
Ed
Barry Gaudet
: made from the content of the letters and evaluation of the spores is largely
: "circumstantial evidence".
: All the letters in the possession of the authorities appear - according to experts in such
: matters - to have been written by the same person. That's
: circumstantial evidence.
Of one person being responsible for at least 3 of 4 known letters? [I'm
assuming the AMI/Fla letter as the 4th.] Yes. that is at least
circumstantial. However, I still don't see how that precludes a foreign;
and supposes a domestic source.
: The return addresses were a fictitious grade school - which
: indicates some knowledge of how things work and what is likely to get
: read. More circumstantial evidence.
That is a good point. OK that's one possible indicator of a domestic
source and I've given 3 that could reasonably be considered possible
indicators of a foreign source.
We still don't know. Speculation.
: But I agree, we can argue all we want without resolving anything.
: We'll just have to wait to see if the FBI can crack this one. It
: should be interesting if they do.
Wait and see, I guess, is right. Although I don't ascribe any evil
motives to the Fibbies they still might get it wrong.
: But they never found the Tylenol
: poisoner, it took them a decade to track down the New York "Mad
: Bomber" of the 1940s, and it took them 20 years to track down the
: Unabomber, so the FBI's record on domestic terrorists is far from perfect.
They caught McViegh in short order and moved pre-emptively [opinions vary
on the justification] on Koresh, the Ruby Ridge guy [can't recall his
name], and others. I don't think they're timid regarding domestics.
It's probably easier for the forensics guys to get into the head of a
domestic loonie - more cultural continuity.
The profile, as I've heard of it, seems to cover all the bases: Ya it
could be domestic.... unless it's foriegn. the perp may be black... or
possibly white.... with the chance he's asian...
I'm thinking the FBI/CIA/NSA is looking at _any_one remotely possible.
Personally I'll go with my gut instinct: It's aQ/Obl.
TVsHenry
newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
Tempest
The FBI never tracked down the Unabomber.
He was turned in by his brother.
That would be considered a failure of the FBI.
>
> Ed
--
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And it is our duty to rectify the situation in the next general
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RE-ELECT GORE IN 2004!
lazarus
>DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
>newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
Drudge also reported that Gore won the election based on the NORC
data. So, is he a reputable source or not?
--
lazarus
"This idea that you don't critically evaluate people in high positions during a crisis is nonsense,"
--Richard Shelby
"We can support the troops without supporting the President.''
--Trent Lott
"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one
fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all
the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
Stephen F. Roberts
ralph
>
> DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
> newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
Paper was saying yesterday, that that 'nuclear bomb plans' found in one
of the houses was a printout of a joke website.
Today's paper had some details on the technical papers found; whoever
was writing was competent to make homemade bombs, a la McVeigh, but
their aerospace engineering was sort of lacking. They were designing ion
drive planes, which would require 10% of the world's total electrical
power to be able to run in the atmosphere, that sort of 'way too far out
of the box' thinking.
TVsHenry
>Date: 11/18/01 11:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <f04hvtsbq09phq1ng...@4ax.com>
>
>On 19 Nov 2001 03:10:00 GMT, tvsh...@aol.comtele (TVsHenry) wrote:
>
>>DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
>>newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
>
>Drudge also reported that Gore won the election based on the NORC
>data. So, is he a reputable source or not?
Drudge reported that the papers were originally interpreting it that way. But
I'm sure you don't get it.
z
> DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
> newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
Another Drudge nonstory.
"The two-storey lab was used to create vaccines from highly dangerous
wild bacteria. Its discovery fuels fears that Osama bin Laden's
al-Qaeda terror group is behind the US anthrax alert."
"The factory, discovered by The Mirror yesterday, was officially set
up for the production of vaccines for cattle using wild anthrax
bacteria. But we learned that the Taliban became extremely proficient
in using the bug."
Ed Lake
> DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
> newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
TVsHenry,
I think Drudge only claims 75 percent accuracy in his reports.
If an anthrax factory is found, it will help clarify whether or not the US
anthrax scare is domestic or foreign. I'll bet any anthrax found in
Afganistan proves to be of a different strain and unrelated to the US
anthrax.
Ed
TVsHenry
to begin with. His reports have a lot more accuracy than 75%.
Kirk
news:3BF69420...@newsguy.com...
> Another letter from Trenton, postmarked the same day as the the anthrax
> letter to Tom Daschle, was found yesterday. It was sent to Democratic
> were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
> liberal media - probably an American.
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011116/us/attacks_anthrax.html
>
> This one nut case has cost America BILLIONS of dollars!
Or it could be a liberal, trying to smear right-wingers as violent
hillbillies.
In any case, you sure seem eager to tell us what the evidence "mounts" to,
as if you're a detective.
-- Kirk
"Fat people are harder to kidnap."
-- bumper sticker
z
> Another letter from Trenton, postmarked the same day as the the anthrax
> letter to Tom Daschle, was found yesterday. It was sent to Democratic
> Senator Patrick Leahy. The evidence mounts that all the anthrax letters
> were sent by someone with a private grudge against Democrats and the
> liberal media - probably an American.
>
> Details:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011116/us/attacks_anthrax.html
>
> This one nut case has cost America BILLIONS of dollars!
>
I wonder if there's any significance to this happening after Leahy
writes a letter opposing Ashcroft's antirerrotism measures.
Ed Lake
Z,
I doubt it. The letter was mailed some time ago. It was just now dug out of a barrel of
mail that was being checked for anthrax. I think Ashcroft's antiterrorism measures came
later.
Ed
Ed Lake
Kirk,
I said the evidence mounts - i.e., it piles up.
I just think the evidence (physical and circumstantial) makes it pretty clear
that it's a domestic terrorist, and I want to be able to say "I told you so"
when he's found. Everyone I know has pretty much assumed it's a domestic
terrorist ever since it was learned that Tom Brokaw and Tom Daschel were
targeted.
I also think we'd be better off if people started thinking about what local
nutcase could have the capabilities to do such a thing instead of thinking only
about dark skinned, bearded men with turbans.
Ed
Tempest
An FBI profiler (something Van Zandt) said on the news tonight that the
letter addressed to Leahy was another signal that the person behind the
anthrax was domestic.
TVsHenry
>Date: 11/19/01 10:27 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BF9CDA8...@hotmail.com>
>
>
>
>Ed Lake wrote:
>>
>> TVsHenry wrote:
>>
>> > DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
>> > newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
>>
>> TVsHenry,
>>
>> I think Drudge only claims 75 percent accuracy in his reports.
>>
>> If an anthrax factory is found, it will help clarify whether or not the US
>> anthrax scare is domestic or foreign. I'll bet any anthrax found in
>> Afganistan proves to be of a different strain and unrelated to the US
>> anthrax.
>
>An FBI profiler (something Van Zandt) said on the news tonight that the
>letter addressed to Leahy was another signal that the person behind the
>anthrax was domestic.
>
What was his proof besides the fact that another politician received anthrax?
Tempest
The letter's zip code was misread by the sorting machine and sent to the
State Dept. by mistake. The State Dept.'s mailroom has been closed for
some time now.
That's why it wasn't found until recently.
Tempest
But that won't fit into Dumbya's "war" on terrorism, or his willingness
to curtail our rights.
ralph
>
> Ed Lake wrote:
> >
> > TVsHenry wrote:
> >
> > > DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
> > > newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
> >
> > TVsHenry,
> >
> > I think Drudge only claims 75 percent accuracy in his reports.
> >
> > If an anthrax factory is found, it will help clarify whether or not the US
> > anthrax scare is domestic or foreign. I'll bet any anthrax found in
> > Afganistan proves to be of a different strain and unrelated to the US
> > anthrax.
>
> An FBI profiler (something Van Zandt) said on the news tonight that the
> letter addressed to Leahy was another signal that the person behind the
> anthrax was domestic.
>
hoo ha
he's found....<snip>
big whoop...not exactly like predicting in 1978 that the Arizona
Diamondbacks would win the Series this year....;-) ;
I know I know...you're not claiming to be psychic...;
not exactly a brave, stunningly prescient choice given the mainline
choices : (1) dark skinned bearded turbaned ones
(2) 'domestic' [see elastic/expansive definition which be likely be
invoked if the voting is like Florida's ]
1 out of 2...zzzzz;
and then the 'fillers' just to make it a party
(3) non-domestic exclusive of (1) above...say some pissed-off
Spitzbergian
(4) never solved...
(5) (apologies to the fuzzy one) ALF....;
oh, and if you are wrong (like the psychics that don't predict their own
bankruptcies)....?
//
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
The "proof" that I saw on this subject was more "circumstantial evidence". The
letter was addressed to a politician who is not well known outside of this
country, who is not on any foreign policy committees, AND who was a supporter of
Bill Clinton during the impeachment hearings. He's not some Senator who has been
around forever and who is known all over the world. He's serving his first term.
When you look for serial killers you examine what the victims have in common.
All the victims in this case - i.e., the addressees of the letters - are either
Democrats or in the media. There are probably some real clues yet to be found by
examining what the victims have in common.
Who has a grudge against Democrats and the media?
Ed
TVsHenry
>Date: 11/20/01 12:31 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BFA9363...@newsguy.com>
Again, all the victims are not Democrats or in the media, some of them are in
Pakistan.
TVsHenry
found in a veterinary office in Afghanistan owned by Islamic militant...
however it was in English and could be a ruse.
Less likely to be a ruse are boxes labeled as sarin gas found in another
location...
ralph
> >Who has a grudge against Democrats and the media?
> >
> >Ed
> >
> >
>
> Again, all the victims are not Democrats or in the media, some of them are in
> Pakistan.
Shank, he wasn't asking for volunteers.
ralph
>
> Confirmation that test tubes with the words "anthrax" written on them were
> found in a veterinary office in Afghanistan owned by Islamic militant...
> however it was in English and could be a ruse.
That's that veterinary vaccine factory Drudge picked up on from that
article in that British fish wrapper.
>
> Less likely to be a ruse are boxes labeled as sarin gas found in another
> location...
Now that I haven't seen.
Tempest
ralph wrote:
>
> Tempest wrote:
> >
> > Ed Lake wrote:
> > >
> > > TVsHenry wrote:
> > >
> > > > DRUDGE: "A deadly Taliban anthrax factory was found in Kabul, a British
> > > > newspaper will claim on Monday... Developing..."
> > >
> > > TVsHenry,
> > >
> > > I think Drudge only claims 75 percent accuracy in his reports.
> > >
> > > If an anthrax factory is found, it will help clarify whether or not the US
> > > anthrax scare is domestic or foreign. I'll bet any anthrax found in
> > > Afganistan proves to be of a different strain and unrelated to the US
> > > anthrax.
> >
> > An FBI profiler (something Van Zandt) said on the news tonight that the
> > letter addressed to Leahy was another signal that the person behind the
> > anthrax was domestic.
> >
> Kept a tidy kitchen, made the beds, etc.
But did they change the sheets first?
> --
> All sigs are used up
> So he takes pieces of all sigs
> And makes himself a new sig.
--
TVsHenry
>Date: 11/21/01 12:04 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BFB35...@gernsback.net>
>
>TVsHenry wrote:
>
>> >Who has a grudge against Democrats and the media?
>> >
>> >Ed
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Again, all the victims are not Democrats or in the media, some of them are
>in
>> Pakistan.
>
>
>Shank, he wasn't asking for volunteers.
P
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ralph
Peas of what? Peas of my hort?
Randy
tvsh...@aol.comtele (TVsHenry) wrote:
Im curious, what does a golden shower feel like? How would you
compare it to your experiences fucking goats? Oh yeah, you pitch or
catch?
CrossDresserHank
There's nothing like a goat spraying its urine all over you,
especially when your wearing lace panties and fuck me pumps. I'm
versatile.
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
Yes, and there was a well-known anthrax epidemic in the USSR back in the 1970s,
but there's no reason to believe that incident is directly connected to the
letters sent to Daschle and Leahy.
If someone in some other country is exposed to anthrax, then questions have to be
asked: How was the victim infected? Is it the same strain of anthrax? Etc.
There is absolutely NO reason to believe that any case of anthrax in Pakistan is
connected to the Daschle and Leahy cases. Since anthrax is available all over the
world, any reasonable person would have to assume that there is NO connection
until some solid connection can be established.
Ed
TVsHenry
>Message-id: <3BFBDA90...@newsguy.com>
Yes there is. Anthrax infection is extremely rare as we were told time and time
again by the media.
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
You're not making any sense. Yes, anthrax infection is very rare - particularly
inhalation antrax. And, as evidence of that, we know that so far all the ACTUAL
anthrax cases we've read about are probably from those letters mailed from Trenton.
Your Pakistan case turns out to be just another hoax. The Planned Parenthood case
is another hoax. There have been THOUSANDS of hoaxes and more thousands of cases
of people being frightened by harmless powders found in various places. The
number of REAL cases can be counted on your fingers.
I'm going to put together web page that analyzes what is really actually known.
I've been collecting stuff for the page, and it's very interesting how clearly it
seems to point to a domestic terrorist.
Ed
Richard Staunton
http://www.atmosphere.be/media/sea/leader.htm
Ed Lake <det...@newsguy.com> wrote in message news:<3BFC3241...@newsguy.com>...
Victoria
>Yep, and that's all you post about. Explain again why you are here.
Henry, Henry....He doesn't have to justify himself for being here any more than
you do.
-Victoria
(Let's not start any of this "Get out of my newsgroup" nonsense...)
Randy
tvsh...@aol.comtele (TVsHenry) wrote:
> >Subject: Re: Another anthrax letter to another Democrat
> >From: Randy rdo...@pipeline.com
> >Date: 11/21/01 9:46 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <rdowns-AD6565....@nntp.pipeline.com>
> >
> >In article <20011121205728...@mb-fh.aol.com>,
> > tvsh...@aol.comtele (TVsHenry) wrote:
> >
> >> >Subject: Re: Another anthrax letter to another Democrat
> >> >From: Randy rdo...@pipeline.com
> >> >Date: 11/21/01 8:51 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >> >Message-id: <rdowns-333FA6....@nntp.pipeline.com>
> >> >
> >> >In article <3BFC3241...@newsguy.com>,
> >> > Ed Lake <det...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> TVsHenry,
> >> >>
> >> >> You're not making any sense.
> >> >
> >> >Truer words were never spoken.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Said the man who only posts about goat fucking.
> >
> >No, I post about you fucking goats.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Yep, and that's all you post about. Explain again why you are here.
As an advocate for the goats. Happy Thanksgiving, Hank. We're having
45+ for dinner this tear but don't worry, no goats will be harmed to
feed us.
hoo ha
"circumstantial evidence". The letter was addressed to a politician [1]
who is not well known outside of this country, [2] who is not on any
foreign policy committees, AND [3] who was a supporter of Bill Clinton
during the impeachment hearings. He's not some Senator who has been [see
4 below] around forever and [see 1 above] who is known all over the
world.
[4] He's serving his first term.
<snip>
[1] yup- most US Senators fit this criteria [2] not sure [3] yup - this
hardly sets a Democratic Senator apart
[4] Bzzzzt....;
at age 34 , Senator Leahy was elected to the US Senate from Vermont in
1974 and is serving his Fifth term in the Senate....;
Senator Daschle was elected to the US Senate in 1986 and is serving his
3rd term in the US Senate...;
yes, they both represent obscure states;
//
hoo ha
the Disney News network...urrr...the candian High School Graduate
Network....urrrr Peter Jennings News Network...(btw, just where is Goofy
these days ? ) ....reported last night that the anthrax in the letters
to the Sacrifical Senators exhibited (paraphrasing now):
" ...a density of Billions...no...Trillions of spoors per unit ( I
forget the unit just now) volume...a density that neither the US,
Russia, Iraq or N. Korea ( I think the list is as stated) were never
able to achieve...." and it was left at that....;
ok, have the Camo/Neo-Nazi/ Militia / Lone Gunman crowd exhibited this
level of scientific capability before ??
or is the (breathlessly so to speak... smirk) Trillions (with apologies
to the late lamented BBBBBillllliooonnnn-aire Carl Sagan) per unit
volume old hat and available at Kmart or Terrorists'R-US these days....?
//
Ed Lake
I'm not sure what your point is, but all these "cases" have been determined to
be "cross-contamination" from the letters sent to Daschle. The spores were
found in the MAIL BAGS, not inside any specific letter. The amount of spores
found in the mailbags in very very small - supposedly not enough to harm
anyone. It's news because it's "cross-contamination", not because it's a new
"case".
Ed
TVsHenry wrote:
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011106/wl/attack_russia_embassy_dc_1.html
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011105/ts/attack_anthrax_usa_dc_1.html
>
> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011102/ts/attack_anthrax_dc_172.html
Ed Lake
hoo ha,
I stand corrected on the Leahy term of office. I should have checked
further.
It's not that these Senators are from "obscure states". It's that Leahy
isn't involved in anything that would tick off a foreign terrorist. He's on
the agricultural, appropriations and judiciary committees. Why pick on
him? If you want to hit someone known around the world, why not Senator
Edward Kennedy? Why not some Jewish Senator like Joe Lieberman? Why not
Senator Hillary Clinton?
Terrorists and serial killers choose their victims very carefully. And WHY
they choose particular victims is key to tracking them down.
Ed
Ed Lake
>
> I'm not talking about anthrax "cases," I am talking about actual anthrax that
> was actually sent to locations in Pakistan.
TVsHenry,
What "actual anthrax"? From a previous post you seem to be talking about anthrax
that was found in State Department mail bags - a tiny amount of anthrax spores
that got there through "cross-contamination" from the Leahy letter which was
accidentally first sent to the State Department.
These spores are in the MAIL BAGS, not in any letter addressed to anyone.
Ed
Laurel
>
> at age 34 , Senator Leahy was elected to the US Senate from Vermont in
> 1974 and is serving his Fifth term in the Senate....;
>
> yes, they both represent obscure states;
How dare you? Obscure, humph. Pblth.
Laurel
TVsHenry
>Date: 11/22/01 11:53 AM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <3BFD2D65...@newsguy.com>
If they were cross contaminated how did they get there?
TVsHenry
>Message-id: <3BFD3133...@newsguy.com>
Not Leahy this was anthrax in Russia and Pakistan.
Barry Gaudet
I was just waiting for someone from said 'obscure' states to speak up.
:)
--
'I may crack,
But I'll never shatter' -Meredith Brooks
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
That question doesn't make sense. It answers itself!
The spores got there through cross-contamination. The letter that was sent to
Senator Patrick Leahy was accidentally sent to the State Department in Washington
first. At that postal facility it was in contact with other mail for the State
Department and spores from the Leahy letter became attached to other mail. Some
of that mail with the attached spores ended up going to the U.S. consulate in
Yekaterinburg in Russia. You posted the news article. Didn't you read it?
There were only very tiny traces of the spores. It wasn't an attack. It was
cross-contamination - which means that the spores were transferred from the Leahy
letter to other letters and hense to the mail bags. Some of it also ended up in
Peru and Pakistan.
Ed
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
Do you have any idea what you are talking about? The letter to Leahy went
through the Washington Post office and was accidentally sent to the State
Department. At the State Department postal facility, spores from the Leahy
letter moved out of the envelope and attached themselves to other mail. Some of
that mail went to Russia, some to Peru, some to Pakistan, and some to other
spots. It's called "cross-contamination". The spores were found in the mail
bags - apparently after falling off the letters that came from Washington.
The spores are so small that they can fall through the pores in paper. Paper
isn't like plastic. It's porous. The pores in the paper are larger than the
anthrax spores. So, the anthrax sprinkles out everywhere the letter goes.
Ed
TVsHenry
intentional... and then there is the woman in Connecticut... this idea that it
was just media and Democratic senators just doesn't fit.
ralph
>
> " ...a density of Billions...no...Trillions of spoors per unit ( I
> forget the unit just now) volume...a density that neither the US,
> Russia, Iraq or N. Korea ( I think the list is as stated) were never
> able to achieve...." and it was left at that....;
>
> ok, have the Camo/Neo-Nazi/ Militia / Lone Gunman crowd exhibited this
> level of scientific capability before ??
>
> or is the (breathlessly so to speak... smirk) Trillions (with apologies
> to the late lamented BBBBBillllliooonnnn-aire Carl Sagan) per unit
> volume old hat and available at Kmart or Terrorists'R-US these days....?
>
> //
From my lab days memories, I would expect somewhere between 10^6 and
10^9 spores per cc in the liquid culture.That part is easy. Take
standard rich nutrient broth, put small amount into large flask (to
promote aeration; like 100 ml in 1 liter Erlenmyer), inoculate with just
about any amount of bacteria, (growing culture is preferable to spores
but use what you have) shake violently at proper temp, come back
tomorrow you will have flask full of spores, automatically happens when
culture gets to dense to continue growth. You could even get away
without terrific sterile technique if you don't mind a few innocent
bacteria contaminating your spores. Because the anthrax bacillus will
outgrow most anything. (This is not useful information for terrorists,
this is standard bacteriology methodology known to millions of people
from high school level on up).
Dehydrating that would give a fairly huge density of spores per cc of
the dry stuff. I have no idea what they have to do in terms of grinding
it putting in silica gel or powdered milk or something to keep it
powdery. But even diluting it by a huge amount would still result in
millions or billions of spores per cc in the final mix, seems to me.
I still say, hard part is to keep yourself from getting infected; even
harder to keep yourself from getting infected without leaving a trace.
Either buying a lot of pretty rare biohazardbacteriology lab
containment equipment, or else taking the second best position and
loading up on antibiotics the whole time and leaving that trail behind.
I assume somebody's thought of that, but you never know.
ralph
> >
> Yep, and that's all you post about. Explain again why you are here.
Well. One day, daddy comes home after the hockey game, and mommie's been
up watching Brad Pitt movies on TV.
ralph
Yekaterinburg??????!!!!!!! That was the site of the big Russian
biowarfare anthrax spill in the 70s that killed all those people!!!! The
coincidences here are piling up faster than the Kennedy assassination.
>You posted the news article. Didn't you read it?
>
> There were only very tiny traces of the spores. It wasn't an attack. It was
> cross-contamination - which means that the spores were transferred from the Leahy
> letter to other letters and hense to the mail bags. Some of it also ended up in
> Peru and Pakistan.
>
> Ed
--
hoo ha
result in millions or billions of spores per cc in the final mix, seems
your vote seems to be that the Peter Jenning News Net's breathlessly
delivered piece is Not breaking news ( remember the part about 'never
been achieving by the USA, Russia....')...but I'll let you speak for
yourself more directly...;
(1) the density of the senatorial spoors is unprecedented;
(2) not (1)
//
hoo ha
should have checked further.<snip>
profilers probably should be more 'very carefull' than _their_
prey....especially on the public details;
[EL]<snip>Terrorists and serial killers choose their victims very
carefully. And WHY they choose particular victims is key to tracking
them down.<snip>
oh well...I don't have a dog in this fight...so return to your
previously interrupted programming....;
//
TVsHenry
Nov 22nd 2001 | KABUL
From The Economist print edition
Chilling evidence in the ruins of Kabul
AMERICAN officials increasingly believe the anthrax attacks since September
11th were not carried out by people connected to al-Qaeda, but may have been
the work of a lone American madman. To avert future attacks, though, perhaps
they should look harder.
They might start, for example, in a nondescript house in the wealthiest
district of Kabul, where a Pakistani NGO called Ummah Tameer-e-Nau (UTN) once
had its offices. UTN's president is Bashiruddin Mahmood, one of Pakistan's
leading nuclear scientists and a specialist in plutonium technology. Last month
Mr Mahmood was arrested by the Pakistani authorities and interrogated on his
links to the Taliban, with whom he has had frequent contact for, he insists,
humanitarian reasons. Mr Mahmood was released again soon afterwards. The
Taliban has denied any “abnormal” links between Mr Mahmood and Mr bin
Laden, and he himself says he has never met the man.
In public, UTN helped Afghans with flourmills, school textbooks and
road-upgrading schemes. But its offices suggest that this may have been a cover
for something far more sinister. According to their neighbours, the Pakistanis
who lived and worked there fled Kabul along with the Taliban, but the evidence
they left behind suggests that they were working on a plan to build an anthrax
bomb.
An upstairs room of the house had been used as a workshop. What appeared to be
a Russian rocket had been disassembled, and a canister labelled “helium”
had been left on the worktop. On the floor were multiple copies of documents
about anthrax downloaded from the Internet, and details about the American
army's vaccination plans for its troops. The number of copies suggests that
seminars were also taking place there.
One of the downloaded documents featured a small picture of the former American
defence secretary, William Cohen, holding a five-pound bag of sugar. It noted
that he was doing this “to show the amount of the biological weapon anthrax
that could destroy half the population of Washington, DC.”
On the floor was a small bag of white powder, which this correspondent decided
not to inspect. It may have contained nothing more deadly than icing sugar, but
that could be useful for experiments in how to scatter powder containing
anthrax spores from a great height over a city, or to show students how to do
this. The living room contained two boxes of gas masks and filters.
On a desk was a cassette box labelled “Jihad”, with the name of Osama bin
Laden hand-written along the spine. Most chilling of all, however, were the
mass of calculations and drawings in felt pen that filled up a white board of
the sort used in classrooms. There were several designs for a long thin
balloon, something like a weather balloon, with lines and arrows indicating a
suggested height of 10km (33,000 feet). There was also a sketch of a jet
fighter flying towards the balloon alongside the words: “Your days are
limited! Bang.” This, like the documents, was written in English.
Since UTN was run by one of Pakistan's top scientists, a man with close links
to the Taliban and, it is said, close ideological affinities with Mr bin Laden,
the circumstantial evidence points to only one conclusion. Whoever fled this
house when the Taliban fell was working on a plan to build a helium-powered
balloon bomb carrying anthrax. Whether it was detonated with a timer or shot
down by a fighter, the result would have been the same: the showering of deadly
airborne anthrax spores over an area as wide as half of New York city or
Washington, DC.
After the September 11th attacks, it was generally agreed that western
intelligence agencies had failed through lack of “human intelligence”—men
on the ground, as opposed to spy satellites and computers monitoring phone
calls and e-mails. This failure was to be rectified. Yet since the fall of
Kabul on November 13th, journalists have been fanning out across the city. They
have stripped houses such as this one, and others directly connected to the
al-Qaeda network, of all sorts of documents and other valuable evidence. These
have included the names and addresses of al-Qaeda contacts in the West. For the
West's intelligence agencies, September 11th was Black Tuesday. There may be no
words with which to describe their failure in the week since the fall of Kabul.
TVsHenry
Friday, November 23, 2001
OXFORD, Conn. — The first letter tainted with anthrax outside the United
States was found in mail sent from Switzerland to Chile, the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention confirmed Thursday, amidst an ongoing federal
investigation of an elderly woman's death in Connecticut from inhalation
anthrax.
Dr. Antonio Banfi, a pediatrician at a children's hospital in Santiago, was the
recipient of the potentially deadly letter, which aroused his suspicion because
it was postmarked in Zurich but marked with a Florida return address, Chilean
officials said.
Banfi and 12 others who were nearby when he opened the letter tested negative
for exposure to anthrax spores but are taking antibiotics as a precaution, the
Chilean Health Ministry said.
U.S. authorities are still in Connecticut investigating the mysterious case of
Ottilie Lundgren's contraction of inhalation anthrax that killed the
94-year-old woman Wednesday. Retracing Lundgren's routine has not produced any
evidence of how she became infected with the bacteria.
Investigators are sorting through her trash and scrutinizing her mail as they
try to figure out how a woman who rarely ventured far from home contracted the
bacteria.
Law enforcement and health officials are speaking to friends to determine what
she did, where she went and who she saw before Nov. 16, when she was admitted
to a hospital with flu-like symptoms.
"We're not focused on any one thing, although the mail is certainly an obvious
issue," said FBI spokeswoman Lisa Bull. "But we're really trying to keep an
open mind about any possibility."
Agents wearing biohazard suits were planning to search "every square inch" of
Lundgren's property, state police spokesman J. Paul Vance said.
Nicole Coffin, a spokeswoman for the CDC, said testing so far has shown that
the strain of anthrax that killed Lundgren was similar to anthrax found in
other recent cases.
A post office in Seymour and a larger mail distribution center in Wallingford
— two Connecticut sites where mail to Oxford is processed — were tested for
anthrax Wednesday. Results were expected within two days.
About 50 postal workers at Seymour and more than 1,100 at Wallingford were
offered a 10-day regimen of the antibiotic Cipro. About three-fourths of the
workers have accepted the drug, postal officials said.
Erik Wexler, executive vice president of MidState Medical Center in Meriden,
said the antibiotic was being distributed as a precaution.
In Washington, the president of a major postal employees union said he will
advise members to refuse to work in buildings where any trace of anthrax
remains.
Two postal workers have died and others have been sickened by anthrax since
tainted letters addressed to the news media and members of Congress began
appearing. Postal facilities in New Jersey and Washington remain closed for
decontamination.
"It's a continuing concern that so much uncertainty continues to exist
regarding the source of these infections," said Bill Burrus, president of the
360,000-member American Postal Workers Union.
Nationwide, the U.S. Postal Service has tested 278 facilities for anthrax and
found some contamination at 21 of them. Nineteen have been decontaminated and
reopened.
Burrus said postal management and unions have been working together on ways to
deal with the anthrax threat, but disagree on how to respond when contamination
is found in a facility.
Because medical experts differ on how much anthrax is needed to cause an
infection, Burrus said, "I'm telling my members we will not work in
contaminated facilities."
Postal Service Vice President Azeezaly Jaffer said he believed talks were
continuing with the unions on how to respond in the event of future
contamination. He praised the union leaders for their cooperation.
There have been several reports worldwide of anthrax being found in mail, but
most have turned out to be false alarms. They included cases in Kenya and the
Bahamas in which authorities said they had found dangerous forms of anthrax in
mail, but later said further testing found no anthrax.
In Argentina, anthrax spores were discovered in mail, but tests determined that
they were a harmless strain of the bacteria.
The Associated Press contributed to this report.
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
"Intentional cross-contamination"? That doesn't really make sense, and even if it
did it would still be meaningless. There's no way anyone could possibly determine
what will be cross-contaminated. I think you just don't understand what
"cross-contamination" means.
I'm putting together a web page on the anthrax matter. It clearly shows that
there were only 5 letters (that have been found so far) and they were sent out in
two mailings, one on Tuesday September 18, 2001, to three media outlets, and the
other on October 9, 2001, to two Democratic senators.
The web page is here: http://extra.newsguy.com/~detect/anthrax.html
I'm going to try to put together in a meaningful way all I can find on the
subject. The page is still under construction, so it will be updated daily for
the next few days.
Maybe it will help you sort through all the extraneous details.
Ed
Ed Lake
Ralph,
That's mentioned in the article about it:
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20011106/wl/attack_russia_embassy_dc_1.html
Ed
Richard Staunton
the Kennedy assassination controversy:
http://www.geocities.com/zzzmail/palarma.htm
so why do we need homeland security if we can't solve anything?
ralph <124...@gernsback.net> wrote in message news:<3BFDF3...@gernsback.net>...
Ed Lake
I think you're illustrating that there's too much data and not enough real
information. Not everything that happens in this world is connected to everything
else.
Ed
Barry Gaudet
[...]
: I'm putting together a web page on the anthrax matter. It clearly shows that
: there were only 5 letters (that have been found so far) and they were
: sent out in two mailings, one on Tuesday September 18, 2001, to three
: media outlets, and the other on October 9, 2001, to two Democratic
: senators.
: The web page is here: http://extra.newsguy.com/~detect/anthrax.html
: I'm going to try to put together in a meaningful way all I can find on the
: subject. The page is still under construction, so it will be updated
: daily for the next few days.
You might want to pick up the Nov. 24 - Nov. 30 edition of the
Economist [regarding the Conneticut case specifically and Anthrax sources
generally]
Curiouser and curiouser
[...]
'Mr. Leahy, a Vermont Senator, is better known for backing liberal
causes, such as abortion rights, than for his views on Middle Eastern
politics. Add this to the fact that Mr. Daschle is in effect the
Democratic Party's leader, and the case is strengthened that the anthrax
attacks are the work of a home-grown right-wing nutcase, rather than
a global Islamic terrorist network. At least that is the theory until the
next victim appears.'
With that last sentence I'll stick to my gut instinct that it's aQ/ObL
behind it - pending further developments.
Another article, same issue:
In the House of Anthrax
[...]
'According to their neighbours the Pakistanis who lived and worked there
fled Kabul along with the Taliban, but the evidence they left behind
suggest they were working on a plan to build an anthrax bomb.'
TVsHenry
>Message-id: <3BFE8029...@newsguy.com>
When anthrax is as rare as it is, it's perfectly logical to believe that it is
connected.
hoo ha
<snip>Fri Nov 23 7:01 ET
OXFORD, Conn. (AP) - While federal investigators searched for clues to
how an elderly woman came in contact with the anthrax that killed her,
Chilean and U.S. officials confirmed the first reported case of a deadly
strain of the bacteria in mail outside the United States.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (news - web sites) in
Atlanta confirmed on Thursday that a letter sent from Switzerland to
Chile was tainted with anthrax. The letter had been sent to Dr. Antonio
Banfi, a pediatrician at a children's hospital in Santiago.
Banfi, who opened the envelope, and 12 others nearby have not tested
positive for exposure to anthrax spores but were being treated for the
disease as a precaution, according to the Chilean Health Ministry.
Banfi became suspicious because the letter was postmarked in Zurich but
marked with a Florida return address, Chilean officials said. No other
details were made available. <snip>
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
But you're not connecting CASES of anthrax. You're connecting rumors and stories
about and tales of. Your latest didn't even involve anthrax, only the fact that
some kind of white powder was seen by reporters in Kabul but ignored by
specialists. Maybe someone in Afganistan was thinking about "a plan to build a
helium-powered balloon bomb carrying anthrax", but what does some hairbrained
scheme in Afganistan have to do with the REAL cases of anthrax here is the U.S.?
Right now, anthrax hoaxes are FAR from rare.
Most of the rest of what you mentioned was just cross-contamination, which is
easily explained.
What you are doing has NOTHING to do with logic.
Ed
Ed Lake
I read that this morning. We need more information before that news becomes
meaningful. Is it the same strain of anthrax? Was it refined? Was the
writing on the envelope and the letter a match? When was the letter
mailed? What was the return address in Florida? Who is this doctor in
Chile? What does he have to do with anything? Does he do abortions? Yada
yada yada.
It could be a meaningful event and connected to the U.S. cases, but it could
also be a copycat with a private and totally separate agenda.
Ed
Ed Lake
Barry,
Thanks. I'll add it to the mix. I'm not sure, but this could be an old report
about how they found some printouts that were downloaded from the Internet. So,
the plans were "Internet plans", but nothing more.
I think that actual case of mailed anthax in Chile is more important.
Unfortunately, there isn't much known about it other than the anthrax was mailed to
a pediatrician in Chile from somewhere in Switzerland and the envelope had a
Florida return address. But it's the first confirmed case of anthrax outside of
the U.S.
Ed
ralph
I stand judiciously on the fence.
ralph
Well I await the explication of how the existence of a Chilean
pediatrician is even known to either rightwingers in America or
Talibanese, let alone the rationale for anthraxing him.
TVsHenry
>Message-id: <3BFECC98...@newsguy.com>
You're dismissing it on the assumption it is a hoax when it looks like nothing
of the sort.
Laurel
>
> Laurel <laur...@home.com> wrote:
> : hoo ha wrote:
> :>
> :> at age 34 , Senator Leahy was elected to the US Senate from Vermont in
> :> 1974 and is serving his Fifth term in the Senate....;
> :>
>
> :> yes, they both represent obscure states;
>
> : How dare you? Obscure, humph. Pblth.
>
> I was just waiting for someone from said 'obscure' states to speak up.
My niece is in town for a few days to visit me, we were out to dinner
last night and I told her this. "OBSCURE????" she nearly shouts, and
then falls into embarrassment when the whole place turned around and
looked. "Obscure????" she hisses, less volume and more emphasis,
looking outraged.
We decided Vermont would never be obscure because it was way at the top
of the map where you could see it well, and besides, it just *rules*.
Then we went to the hockey game, and one of the better players had been
at UVM (University of Vermont) a few years ago. We cheered him extra
for solidarity. I told her I would write "Vermont" across my chest in
lipstick and press it to the glass, she took me seriously and was
embarrassed, so I soothed her by saying that I didn't want to distract
his game. Young people embarrass easily. ;-)
Laurel
hoo ha
meaningful. Is it the same strain of anthrax? Was it refined? Was the
writing on the envelope and the letter a match? When was the letter
mailed? What was the return address in Florida? Who is this doctor in
Chile? What does he have to do with anything? Does he do abortions? Yada
as yes, " We" as you begin....;
_we_ all need to proceed with a healthy skepticism with any and all
reports ...measure/adjust/ measure/adjust...;
as I said I don't have a dog in this fight...I'm quite agnostic about
this anthrax thing and have a day job...;
read carefully, broadly and realize most of the 'information' is
derivitive...;
be carefull out there...;
//
Ed Lake
Ralph,
Me, too. But it's a confirmed use of anthrax in a letter. An actual use of anthrax in a
letter rings more of my bells then any number of plots, plans, rumors, hoaxes or
theories.
It's probably a copycat crime, but it adds an interesting element to the mix.
BTW, the anthrax that killed the elderly woman in Connecticut has now been proven to be
from the same strain as the media and Senate cases.
Ed
Ed Lake
TVsHenry,
I dismissed the "balloon bomb" as a hairbrained scheme someone was considering but
for which there is no evidence that the scheme went anywhere beyond the idea
pitching phase. And I'm dismissing it because there is NO reason to believe that
it has anything to do with the American anthrax cases.
I shouldn't have grouped it with hoaxes. It is in a group by itself: wild
unhatched plots.
Ed
Randy
wrote:
I told her I would write "Vermont" across my chest in
> lipstick and press it to the glass, she took me seriously and was
> embarrassed, so I soothed her by saying that I didn't want to distract
> his game. Young people embarrass easily. ;-)
>
> Laurel
I came three times.
ralph
In one of the taliban 'think tank' type places, they discovered plans
for some super advanced fighter plane, which was completely beyond
possibility. I posted some stuff on it before. For instance, ran on
ionized flux for propulsion, but in atmosphere you would require 10% of
all the electricity in the world. The kind of thing a dreamer high
school kid would think up.
ralph
Hmm Very Interesting as Artie Johnson said so well.
Victoria
>Young people embarrass easily. ;-)
>
I think it was Fran Lebovitz who wrote that sarcasm is wasted on pets and
children.
Victoria
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