What about the Foot?
Murielle L. Sey
I know this was discussed last time, but did anyone figure out the
significance of that dang foot on that woman's desk?
Murielle
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>significance of that dang foot on that woman's desk?
>
>
What foot on which woman's desk? I musta missed it.
Terri S.
"This is who we are."
Rich La Bonte
Murielle L. Sey wrote in message <6s8ntc$7...@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>...
>
> I know this was discussed last time, but did anyone figure out the
>significance of that dang foot on that woman's desk?
I think (as I remember from the original airing) we'll find out next week
that the Odessa has a lot of artworks stolen by the Nazis. The clue that
Frank flashed on and was researching later on the Internet - the painting
hanging on the wall in her office - was one of those. The foot looked rather
classical to me.
There is possibly a Biblical-Christ reference tie to the foot being in the
office of a character played by Ashlyn Gere, but I'll leave that to the
specialists among us..
sleepy...@nospam-2351.hotmail.com
>that the Odessa has a lot of artworks stolen by the Nazis. The clue that
>Frank flashed on and was researching later on the Internet - the painting
>hanging on the wall in her office - was one of those. The foot looked rather
>classical to me.
office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
of some small renown in his time.
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DB
wrote:
>>Murielle L. Sey wrote in message <6s8ntc$7...@ds2.acs.ucalgary.ca>...
>
>>I think (as I remember from the original airing) we'll find out next week
>>that the Odessa has a lot of artworks stolen by the Nazis. The clue that
>>Frank flashed on and was researching later on the Internet - the painting
>>hanging on the wall in her office - was one of those. The foot looked rather
>>classical to me.
>
>Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
>office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>of some small renown in his time.
And man did he suck...
Murielle L. Sey
> I think (as I remember from the original airing) we'll find out next week
> that the Odessa has a lot of artworks stolen by the Nazis. The clue that
> Frank flashed on and was researching later on the Internet - the painting
> hanging on the wall in her office - was one of those. The foot looked rather
> classical to me.
Ah! So "the foot" could be a replica of a classical piece? I
guess I'll have to hit my old art books to find out about that.
> There is possibly a Biblical-Christ reference tie to the foot being in the
> office of a character played by Ashlyn Gere, but I'll leave that to the
> specialists among us..
Oooow! Back to Mary Magdelane, huh?
Murielle L. Sey
I absolutely *hate* to admit this but I (argh! I *really* hate
to admit this!) quite liked the picture Frank kept flashing on.
I'm very fond of the works from the impressionist movement and it
reminded me of some of my favorite pieces . . . especially from the group
of seven. Mind you, I'm no expert, just appreciative.
Spudbud48
sleepy...@NoSPAM-2351.hotmail.com writes:
>Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
>office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>of some small renown in his time.
I thought the guys in Austria told him to quit -- because he "wouldn't amount
to anything". If only they knew.... I hate to trivialise WWII, but if you could
go back in time wouldn't you give Hitler a lucrative contract with an art
gallery...
-- Dan Owen
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- Peter 4:7
Jeanannd
>to anything". If only they knew.... I hate to trivialise WWII, but if you
>could
>go back in time wouldn't you give Hitler a lucrative contract with an art
>gallery...
>
>
>-- Dan Owen
>Milluminati Negotiator
>
>Visit "Millennium 2000"
>http://members.aol.com/spudbud48/main.htm
>
>"The end of all things is at hand."
> - Peter 4:7
>
Sure would...anything to prevent him going on to be what he became.
I thought I could organize freedom - Bjork - The Hunter
jeanad
BTS
Jeanannd <jean...@aol.com> wrote in article
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There is an old saying, from Eastern Europe IIRC, which roughly goes
"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't". While it's a rather
fatalistic attitude which I disagree with in many instances, I think that
it is applicable to your time travel question. WWII was, imo, an
inevitable result of WWI. Since I think that the 'good guys' won WWII,
athough at great cost, I wouldn't want to go back and risk such a globally
significant event as WWII. Better to leave history as is than risk a
dictator in Germany who starts a war later in history and is perhaps
capable of winning. I'm sure that many have discussed this ad nauseum and
there might even be a whole ng devoted to the topic. But the new season
isn't here and you did ask the question. Nuff rambling.
later...
b.t.s.
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LEEE242
>>office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>>of some small renown in his time.
>
>to anything". If only they knew....
Wasn't this one of the points of the episode A Room With No View? Maybe it was
Lucy who gave him the news and got him on the track he took.
Lee
Jeanannd
>"Better the devil you know than the devil you don't". While it's a rather
>fatalistic attitude which I disagree with in many instances, I think that
>it is applicable to your time travel question. WWII was, imo, an
>inevitable result of WWI. Since I think that the 'good guys' won WWII,
>athough at great cost, I wouldn't want to go back and risk such a globally
>significant event as WWII. Better to leave history as is than risk a
>dictator in Germany who starts a war later in history and is perhaps
>capable of winning. I'm sure that many have discussed this ad nauseum and
>there might even be a whole ng devoted to the topic. But the new season
>isn't here and you did ask the question. Nuff rambling.
>later...
>b.t.s.
>--
>delete the "zap" in order to e-mail a reply, if you really feel the need
>
>The problem with lawyer jokes is that lawyers don't
>think they're funny and nobody else thinks they're jokes
>
I'd make a horrible time traveler...I would interfere. If I went back to were
the Sumerians were being overtaken by the nasty sadistic, slaving Asyrians...I
would interfere, and how.
Same with not letting the slaving, sadistic babylonians conquer and destroy so
many major civilizations to build their parasitic one.
The Romans...forget it...I'd help the Nubian empire, the Egyptians, the Celts,
the Jewish people...no more sadistic Romans...and maybe I could do it before
they crucified Jesus..okay he still probably would have died for our sins but
in another way.
I'd have trouble watching civilizations I knew to be kinder, more intelligent,
and just being destroyed by ones that have even to this day, ruined us with
false presumptions.
DB
<ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
>
>> On 30 Aug 1998 21:08:48 GMT, sleepy...@NoSPAM-2351.hotmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
>> >office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>> >of some small renown in his time.
>>
>> And man did he suck...
>
> I absolutely *hate* to admit this but I (argh! I *really* hate
>to admit this!) quite liked the picture Frank kept flashing on.
>
> I'm very fond of the works from the impressionist movement and it
>reminded me of some of my favorite pieces . . . especially from the group
>of seven. Mind you, I'm no expert, just appreciative.
>
I loath impressionism.
Rich La Bonte
>Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
>office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>of some small renown in his time.
Yeah. He painted billboards before he decided to take over the world, didn't
he?
Murielle L. Sey
> There is an old saying, from Eastern Europe IIRC, which roughly goes
> "Better the devil you know than the devil you don't". While it's a rather
> fatalistic attitude which I disagree with in many instances, I think that
> it is applicable to your time travel question. WWII was, imo, an
> inevitable result of WWI. Since I think that the 'good guys' won WWII,
> athough at great cost, I wouldn't want to go back and risk such a globally
> significant event as WWII. Better to leave history as is than risk a
> dictator in Germany who starts a war later in history and is perhaps
> capable of winning. I'm sure that many have discussed this ad nauseum and
> there might even be a whole ng devoted to the topic. But the new season
> isn't here and you did ask the question. Nuff rambling.
> later...
> b.t.s.
> --
I rented a video recently (sorry cannot recall the title) about a
victorious Germany. Set in the '60's it revolves around the first
free-press junket orchastred after the war and centered on the first
presidential visit from the States. The plot concerns the unravelling of
the cover-up: No-one knows about the death-camps, there have been no
survivors, and only a handful of what remains of the inner-circle know
about it. One by one, these men are being killed off to prevent the world
knowing the truth.
It kills me that I can't even remember who starred in it! Does
this brief outline ring any bells for anyone?
DB
I thought he painted houses...
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TV listing for a very popular film from a Marin
County Newspaper:
"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl
kills the first woman she meets and then teams up
with three complete strangers to kill again."
Jeanannd
>victorious Germany. Set in the '60's it revolves around the first
>free-press junket orchastred after the war and centered on the first
>presidential visit from the States. The plot concerns the unravelling of
>the cover-up: No-one knows about the death-camps, there have been no
>survivors, and only a handful of what remains of the inner-circle know
>about it. One by one, these men are being killed off to prevent the world
>knowing the truth.
>
> It kills me that I can't even remember who starred in it! Does
>this brief outline ring any bells for anyone?
>
>
>
>Murielle
>Official Milluminati Recluse
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> Toni Morrison
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>
Rutger Hauger starred in it for one. Am unsure of the other stars...Just
barely remember the movie.
Doc Reeser
find a synopsis at
http://us.imdb.com/Title?Fatherland+(1994/I)+(TV)
a thoroughly enjoyable and thought provoking movie.
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Murielle L. Sey
> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:20:24 -0600, "Murielle L. Sey"
> <ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
> >
> >> On 30 Aug 1998 21:08:48 GMT, sleepy...@NoSPAM-2351.hotmail.com
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
> >> >office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
> >> >of some small renown in his time.
> >>
> >> And man did he suck...
> >
> > I absolutely *hate* to admit this but I (argh! I *really* hate
> >to admit this!) quite liked the picture Frank kept flashing on.
> >
> > I'm very fond of the works from the impressionist movement and it
> >reminded me of some of my favorite pieces . . . especially from the group
> >of seven. Mind you, I'm no expert, just appreciative.
> >
>
> I loath impressionism.
Really! Loathing is quite a passionate emotion. Interesting that
something I find so soothing excites you so much. :-)
Doc Reeser
about the mis-attribution.
Jeanannd wrote:
> you quoted two people not one. I was responding to the person who rented the
> video of Fatherland.
Jeanannd
sleepy...@nospam-2351.hotmail.com
>could
>go back in time wouldn't you give Hitler a lucrative contract with an art
>gallery...
major league baseball in the 1950's (the Dodgers or Yankees, I
think). Can you imagine him pitching alongside Sandy Koufax
instead of leading the revolution? ^_^
DB
<ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 03:20:24 -0600, "Murielle L. Sey"
>> <ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 30 Aug 1998 21:08:48 GMT, sleepy...@NoSPAM-2351.hotmail.com
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >Actually, the painting on the wall in the Aerotech manager's
>> >> >office was painted by Adolf Hitler himself. He was an artist
>> >> >of some small renown in his time.
>> >>
>> >> And man did he suck...
>> >
>> > I absolutely *hate* to admit this but I (argh! I *really* hate
>> >to admit this!) quite liked the picture Frank kept flashing on.
>> >
>> > I'm very fond of the works from the impressionist movement and it
>> >reminded me of some of my favorite pieces . . . especially from the group
>> >of seven. Mind you, I'm no expert, just appreciative.
>> >
>>
>> I loath impressionism.
>
> Really! Loathing is quite a passionate emotion. Interesting that
>something I find so soothing excites you so much. :-)
>
I was just exagerrating.
*************************************************
TV listing for a very popular film from a Marin
County Newspaper:
"Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl
kills the first woman she meets and then teams up
with three complete strangers to kill again."
***************************************************
Murielle L. Sey
> I thought he painted houses...
That's what my grandfather used to say. :-)
Murielle L. Sey
> -----
> Rutger Hauger starred in it for one. Am unsure of the other stars...Just
> barely remember the movie.
Yes! He did! Thank you. He was wonderful, too. Wasn't the
woman Natasha Richards? Can't remember that for sure, though.
Someone (I think it was Carl--I should be shot for how bad my
memory is!) wrote and told me the name of the film was "Fatherland". So,
that's two things we know for sure. :-)
>
> I thought I could organize freedom - Bjork - The Hunter
>
> jeanad
Thank you Jeanad!
Horace LaBadie
<ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998, DB wrote:
>
> > I thought he painted houses...
>
> That's what my grandfather used to say. :-)
>
>
> Murielle
Wall paper hanger was the Allied joke, references to which were popular in
the films of the day.
HWL
Murielle L. Sey
> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:55:29 -0600, "Murielle L. Sey"
> <ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>
> >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
> >
> >> I loath impressionism.
> >
> > Really! Loathing is quite a passionate emotion. Interesting that
> >something I find so soothing excites you so much. :-)
> >
>
> I was just exagerrating.
Ah! Ok.
I'll know never to ask you for measurements. ;-))
Murielle
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Rich La Bonte
>Wall paper hanger was the Allied joke, references to which were popular in
>the films of the day.
I definitely remember seeing a Hitler bio that had him as a sign painter in
Austria before he wrote his book. Not that there's anything wrong with being
a sign painter (as long as you aren't a megalomaniac who decides that
genocide is a viable "solution" at the same time.)
Wow! Has this thread drifted or what? I wonder if Odessa will reappear in
Season 3?
DB
<ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>On Wed, 2 Sep 1998, DB wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 1 Sep 1998 05:55:29 -0600, "Murielle L. Sey"
>> <ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>> >On Mon, 31 Aug 1998, DB wrote:
>> >
>> >> I loath impressionism.
>> >
>> > Really! Loathing is quite a passionate emotion. Interesting that
>> >something I find so soothing excites you so much. :-)
>> >
>>
>> I was just exagerrating.
>
> Ah! Ok.
>
> I'll know never to ask you for measurements. ;-))
Then there would be no need to exaggerate...:)
Snarky
<ml...@calcna.ab.ca> wrote:
What else do you want to know? I rented it last night, and I can post a
followup as soon as I watch it.
Snarkily sneaking sloe gin and Slice, I remain
Christopher Cole
Milluminati Librarian
KAYVEN
>office of a character played by Ashlyn Gere, but I'll leave that to the
>specialists among us..
Just a guess here, but might not this foot merely be a symbol of the prophetic
vision by King Nebuchadnezzar which was interpreted by Daniel in the Bible?
(Daniel 2: 29-34)
[29] As for thee, O king, thy thoughts came into thy mind upon thy bed, what
should come to pass hereafter: and he that revealeth secrets maketh known to
thee what shall come to pass.
[30] But as for me, this secret is not revealed to me for any wisdom that I
have more than any living, but for their sakes that shall make known the
interpretation to the king, and that thou mightest know the thoughts of thy
heart.
[31] Thou, O king, sawest, and behold a great image. This great image, whose
brightness was excellent, stood before thee; and the form thereof was terrible.
[32] This image's head was of fine gold, his breast and his arms of silver, his
belly and his thighs of brass,
[33] His legs of iron, his feet part of iron and part of clay.
[34] Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the
image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.
The feet of the statue represent the fact that the statue is only as strong as
the feet. If the basis of your statue (kingdom/reich) is weak, then the whole
thing is not likely to stand.
The vision told in the Bible is meant to refer to the future of the political
kingdoms in the Middle East. Babylonian (Gold), Median (Silver), Persian
(bronze), Hellenistic (iron), and the divided and weak post-Alexander
Hellenistic empire (clay). Thus the vision is similar to King
Nebuchadnezzar's other visions, all with the underlying theme that "this too
shall pass".
To place a Christian twist here, in Luke 20:17-18, Christ asserts that he is
the "stone that no man has hewn" and that his mere existence will result in the
tearing down of the Temple and reduce it to dust just as King Nebuchadnezzar's
statue was reduced to dust by a stone hewn from a mountain.
So now we just plug in the worldview of ODESSA and see what we come up with.
The statue becomes the Third Reich with Hitler (Gold), the SS (Silver), the
Nazi Party (Bronze), the German Army/People (Iron) and the degenerate racial
traits (clay). Hitler often claimed in his _Mein Kampf_ that Germany lost WWI
due to the Jews screwing things up at the homefront while the Germans were
fighting in the trenches. It would be hard to imagine that ODESSA would hold a
similar view toward WWII. Namely that the reason the Third Reich fell was
because of A) a worldwide Jewish conspiracy capable to drawing various
countries together into a allied force, as well as groups like the Millennium
Group using centuries old secrets and Christianized mysticism against them, and
B) the fact that the centuries had caused many of the Aryan racial traits in
the German people to become lost or spread so thin as to pollute the
bloodlines. (This was one of the reasons behind the SS's creation) So that the
German people were in a sense "not worthy" of bringing the Third Reich into
being. Thus to ODESSA, it is the Judeo-Christian tradition (embodied in
Zionism, the Millennium Group, Masons, etc) that become the stone that crushed
the Third Reich at its weakest point: its "feet of clay".
So to suggest an answer to the question, it could be that ODESSA have now
adopted the symbol of a foot to keep forever in their mind that the Fourth
Reich MUST be built on feet of better metal (mettle).
---- Steven Marc Harris
*wave* to Daniel Harms
_________________________
"(Conductor: Will there be any particular sounds or noises or...?) Wind.
It'll be almost like a deafening wind which nobody will know what it is for
they have not experienced it... for centuries. (Conductor: You mean people have
experienced this type of wind before?) Egypt. The night that moves. The Howler
in the Darkness. I am not permitted to say more. (Conductor: Not permitted?
What doesn't permit you?) My sanity." -- p. 4/11 from _Readings on Earth
Changes_ by Aron Abrahamsen, 1973, privately printed.
FLAtRich
Wow!
Well, maybe..
:o)