>>>>>>>>>> Mr. G.  This is Z

>>>>>>>>>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.

>>>>>>>>>> burd44 aka Z
>>>>>>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a
>>>>>>>>> better word, that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that
>>>>>>>>> incredibly... well... weird.

>>>>>>>>> --- Cory
>>>>>>>> Maybe G-d was giving us a reason to celebrate a life taken by
>>>>>>>> means other than terrorism on this day.
>>>>>>> Yeah right and I'm running for mayor
>>>>>> Vince, I really hate to say this, but understand I am in no mood
>>>>>> for you.
>>>>>> YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!!
>>>>> You're in no mood?
>>>>> why because I disagree with your GOD remark?
>>>> No, Vince. It isn't that you disagree with me or anyone else. Your
>>>> way with words brings out the best in people.
>>>> Belittling people, or trying to, is not necessary when trying to
>>>> make a point. Just because *you* don't agree with, or believe in
>>>> something, doesn't mean you have to be arrogant about it to
>>>> someone who does.

>>> He has my vote.

>> Yeah well I guess I'm too truth full, I don't pull punches when
>> folks push faith  on others

> Well, I just started reading through this group, so I don't know
> anything about previous interactions or history...but it doesn't seem
> like he is pushing faith, just using it as a form of expression for
> the sorrow at the loss of a talented individual.  It is individual
> preference and he is free to express himself in that manner if that is
> his choice.

> I'm not one that believes in this stuff, like it being ominous that he
> died on 9/11.  I'm sure there are plenty of people that died on 9/11,
> and others that knew them may also feel as if were some sort of sign
> or prophecy, but it just isn't so.  No more a prophecy then those that
> died on 6/23 or 7/15 or 12/09 or any other day of the year.  It just a
> coincidence.

> >>> "sr" <shandar...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>>news:b4e05f5e-712a-4851-918c-fb8ecce0c677@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On Sep 11, 11:29 pm, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>>> Eddie wrote:
> >>>>> "Cory" <my_wheel_l...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> >>>>>news:htGdnQgxRvaAljbXnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>>>>> bur...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>>> May God be with you and thank you for all the time you spent here. I
> >>>>>>> just learned of your
> >>>>>>> passing.
> >>>>>>> Mr. G. This is Z
> >>>>>>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.
> >>>>>>> burd44 aka Z
> >>>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better
> >>>>>> word,
> >>>>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11?? I just find that incredibly... well...
> >>>>>> weird.
> >>>>>> --- Cory
> >>>>>> Maybe G-d was giving us a reason to celebrate a life taken by means
> >>>>>> other
> >>>>>> than terrorism on this day.
> >>>>> Yeah right and I'm running for mayor- Hide quoted text -
> >>>> - Show quoted text -
> >>>> What an awful thing to say. Eddie made a wonderful point, and you have
> >>>> to throw it in the gutter by a snide remark.
> >>>          Explanation: some people just have no decency, which explains a
> >>> lot of things wrong in the world.
> >>>          Thank God we were privileged to have Larry Simon Gelbart on
> >>> Earth for 81 1/2 years.

> >> Oh now "I'm" the bad guy?

> >> I have more decently then most people I don't go to service then
> >> stab my friends or fellow employees in the back the rest of the week as
> >> many goodies religious type do.
> >> I tell the truth.
> >> Tell me this:
> >> Was what that bastard Jerry Falwell said after 9/11 in the name of god
> >> a right thing?

> >> Falwell's Shocking Words Denounced
> >> As a guest on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" television show on Thursday,
> >> the Rev. Jerry Falwell, a Baptist minister, said that supporters of
> >> abortion rights,
> >> gays, lesbians, and liberal civil rights bear some of the responsibility
> >> for the terrorist
> >> attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. He said, "God continues to
> >> lift the curtain
> >> and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
> >> Later in the discussion,
> >> Falwell said, "The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this...I point
> >> the finger in their
> >>  face and say, 'You helped this happen.'" Robertson agreed with Falwell.
> >> Christian groups
> >>  and churches are denouncing these words of blame and hate. "I call on
> >> Jerry Falwell,
> >>  Pat Robertson, Flip Benham, and other religious extremists to put aside
> >> their
> >>  self-righteous hatred and vengeance and pray with us," said the Rev.
> >> Carlton W. Veazey,
> >> president, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. "They have gone
> >> too far!"
> >> The Right Reverend Jane Holmes Dixon, Episcopal Bishop of Washington and
> >> the officiant of
> >>  the national prayer service on Friday, said, "There is much that we do
> >> not yet know about
> >> how this violence was wrought, but this horror absolutely did not come
> >> from God."
> >> Bishop Dixon noted that to blame the attack on God's will flies in the
> >> face of Christian
> >>  theology. At this time of national mourning, she said "it is beyond
> >> shameful to seek to
> >> divide us by alleging that some of us are culpable because we hold beliefs
> >> different from
> >> those of Robertson and Falwell." --Cathryn Conroy

> > Vince, I'll try, again, even though it's pointless, to tell you that what I
> > said has nothing to do with this. I made no point about religion, pro or
> > con. I made a simple statement and your cheese slipped off your cracker.
> > Again. Anytime someone here tries to explain something in a rational way, it
> > never works. You always think your opinion is the only one that counts or
> > the only one that's correct. You have proven, time and time again that you
> > are not able to discuss, only belittle with major arrogance.

> > I have said this before that this will be my last response to you. I went
> > against my better judgement to try to have discussions, but alas...

> > However, I will never killfile you because I am amused by some of the things
> > you say. But like your spellchecker, neither of us think you're worth the
> > effort. If I want to deal with you, I'll open a day care center.

> FUCK OFF!
> I'm out of here- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -

> "Vince" <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote in message

> news:4aabfc42$0$4977$607ed4bc@cv.net...

> > sr wrote:
> >> On Sep 11, 11:29 pm, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>> Eddie wrote:
> >>>> "Cory" <my_wheel_l...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:htGdnQgxRvaAljbXnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
> >>>>> bur...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>>> May God be with you and thank you for all the time you spent here. I
> >>>>>> just learned of your
> >>>>>> passing.
> >>>>>> Mr. G.  This is Z
> >>>>>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.
> >>>>>> burd44 aka Z
> >>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better word,
> >>>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that incredibly... well...
> >>>>> weird.
> >>>>> --- Cory
> >>>> Maybe G-d was giving us a reason to celebrate a life taken by means
> >>>> other
> >>>> than terrorism on this day.
> >>> Yeah right and I'm running for mayor- Hide quoted text -

> >>> - Show quoted text -

> >> What an awful thing to say. Eddie made a wonderful point, and you have
> >> to throw it in the gutter by a snide remark.

> > Well thats too bad I'm fed up with how people have to bring their faith
> > into the thread

>            You may not see this post, Vince, since you later said you were
> outta here, but...
>            just because he mentioned 'G-d', that doesn't make it a deeply
> religious experience to get all huffy about
>            He just mentioned the Creator of the Universe, and even Thomas
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> - Show quoted text -

>>>> "sr" <shandar...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:b4e05f5e-712a-4851-918c-fb8ecce0c677@m38g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>>> On Sep 11, 11:29 pm, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>> Eddie wrote:
>>>>>> "Cory" <my_wheel_l...@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:htGdnQgxRvaAljbXnZ2dnUVZ_vqdnZ2d@earthlink.com...
>>>>>>> bur...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> May God be with you and thank you for all the time you spent here.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> just learned of your
>>>>>>>> passing.
>>>>>>>> Mr. G. This is Z
>>>>>>>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.
>>>>>>>> burd44 aka Z
>>>>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better
>>>>>>> word,
>>>>>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11?? I just find that incredibly... well...
>>>>>>> weird.
>>>>>>> --- Cory
>>>>>>> Maybe G-d was giving us a reason to celebrate a life taken by means
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> than terrorism on this day.
>>>>>> Yeah right and I'm running for mayor- Hide quoted text -
>>>>> - Show quoted text -
>>>>> What an awful thing to say. Eddie made a wonderful point, and you have
>>>>> to throw it in the gutter by a snide remark.
>>>>          Explanation: some people just have no decency, which explains
>>>> a
>>>> lot of things wrong in the world.
>>>>          Thank God we were privileged to have Larry Simon Gelbart on
>>>> Earth for 81 1/2 years.

>>> Oh now "I'm" the bad guy?

>>> I have more decently then most people I don't go to service then
>>> stab my friends or fellow employees in the back the rest of the week as
>>> many goodies religious type do.
>>> I tell the truth.
>>> Tell me this:
>>> Was what that bastard Jerry Falwell said after 9/11 in the name of god
>>> a right thing?

>>> Falwell's Shocking Words Denounced
>>> As a guest on Pat Robertson's "700 Club" television show on Thursday,
>>> the Rev. Jerry Falwell, a Baptist minister, said that supporters of
>>> abortion rights,
>>> gays, lesbians, and liberal civil rights bear some of the responsibility
>>> for the terrorist
>>> attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. He said, "God continues
>>> to lift the curtain
>>> and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve."
>>> Later in the discussion,
>>> Falwell said, "The ACLU's got to take a lot of blame for this...I point
>>> the finger in their
>>>  face and say, 'You helped this happen.'" Robertson agreed with Falwell.
>>> Christian groups
>>>  and churches are denouncing these words of blame and hate. "I call on
>>> Jerry Falwell,
>>>  Pat Robertson, Flip Benham, and other religious extremists to put aside
>>> their
>>>  self-righteous hatred and vengeance and pray with us," said the Rev.
>>> Carlton W. Veazey,
>>> president, Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice. "They have gone
>>> too far!"
>>> The Right Reverend Jane Holmes Dixon, Episcopal Bishop of Washington and
>>> the officiant of
>>>  the national prayer service on Friday, said, "There is much that we do
>>> not yet know about
>>> how this violence was wrought, but this horror absolutely did not come
>>> from God."
>>> Bishop Dixon noted that to blame the attack on God's will flies in the
>>> face of Christian
>>>  theology. At this time of national mourning, she said "it is beyond
>>> shameful to seek to
>>> divide us by alleging that some of us are culpable because we hold
>>> beliefs different from
>>> those of Robertson and Falwell." --Cathryn Conroy

>> Vince, I'll try, again, even though it's pointless, to tell you that what
>> I said has nothing to do with this. I made no point about religion, pro
>> or con. I made a simple statement and your cheese slipped off your
>> cracker. Again. Anytime someone here tries to explain something in a
>> rational way, it never works. You always think your opinion is the only
>> one that counts or the only one that's correct. You have proven, time and
>> time again that you are not able to discuss, only belittle with major
>> arrogance.

>> I have said this before that this will be my last response to you. I went
>> against my better judgement to try to have discussions, but alas...

>> However, I will never killfile you because I am amused by some of the
>> things you say. But like your spellchecker, neither of us think you're
>> worth the effort. If I want to deal with you, I'll open a day care
>> center.

> FUCK OFF!
> I'm out of here

> FUCK OFF!
> I'm out of here- Hide quoted text -

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> FUCK OFF!
> I'm out of here- Hide quoted text -

> - Show quoted text -
>I wonder what Father Mulcahy would say.
>The Other Brad

>> Mr. G.  This is Z

>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.

>> burd44 aka Z

> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better word,
> that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that incredibly... well... weird.

> --- Cory

>>>>>> Mr. G.  This is Z

>>>>>> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.

>>>>>> burd44 aka Z
>>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better word,
>>>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that incredibly... well...
>>>>> weird.

>>>>> --- Cory
>>>> Maybe G-d was giving us a reason to celebrate a life taken by means other
>>>> than terrorism on this day.
>>> Yeah right and I'm running for mayor

>> Vince, I really hate to say this, but understand I am in no mood for you.
>> YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE!!

> You're in no mood?
> why because I disagree with your GOD remark?

> Alan <nob...@junk.min.net> wrote in message
> news:4aad60c8$2$nqubsgap$mr2ice@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In <4aab1575$0$31259$607ed...@cv.net>, on 09/11/09
>>   at 11:28 PM, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> said:

>>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better
>>>> word,
>>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that incredibly...
>>>> well... weird.

>>>Also weird was a year after 9/11/01 the pick 3 number on the mid
>>>day
>>>9/11/02 drawing was 9/11 here in NY state.

>> Johnny Unitas died on 9/11/02.

>         Unitas was not quite in Mr. G's league for influencing and
> brightening the world, as good as he was in football or as a person.

> news:AI6dnUr2xdRb_DDXnZ2dnUVZ_s2dnZ2d@earthlink.com...

> > x-no-archive: yes

> > Alan <nob...@junk.min.net> wrote in message
> >news:4aad60c8$2$nqubsgap$mr2ice@news.eternal-september.org...
> >> In <4aab1575$0$31259$607ed...@cv.net>, on 09/11/09
> >>   at 11:28 PM, Vince <vpilu...@optonline.net> said:

> >>>> Does anyone else find it incredibly ironic, for lack of a better
> >>>> word,
> >>>> that Elsig left us on 9/11??  I just find that incredibly...
> >>>> well... weird.

> >>>Also weird was a year after 9/11/01 the pick 3 number on the mid
> >>>day
> >>>9/11/02 drawing was 9/11 here in NY state.

> >> Johnny Unitas died on 9/11/02.

> >         Unitas was not quite in Mr. G's league for influencing and
> > brightening the world, as good as he was in football or as a person.

> That is dependent on one's perspective.  Football fans probably
> outnumber MASH fans, and Johnny U was a HOF QB who's feats have
> reached "legendary" proportions. Not disagreeing with you, just
> pointing it out.

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>>>>Also weird was a year after 9/11/01 the pick 3 number on the mid
>>>>day
>>>>9/11/02 drawing was 9/11 here in NY state.

>>> Johnny Unitas died on 9/11/02.

>>         Unitas was not quite in Mr. G's league for influencing and
>> brightening the world, as good as he was in football or as a person.
>That is dependent on one's perspective.  Football fans probably
>outnumber MASH fans, and Johnny U was a HOF QB who's feats have  reached
>"legendary" proportions. Not disagreeing with you, just  pointing it out.

>Alan <nob...@junk.min.net> wrote in message
>news:4ab7b3d8$2$nqubsgap$mr2ice@news.eternal-september.org...
>> In <h8s9a6$t5...@news.eternal-september.org>, on 09/16/09
>>   at 11:09 PM, "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com>
>> said:

>>>So, God, what do you think? About this?

>> God is watching Unitas throw heavenly touchdown passes on Sundays, and
>> laughing at Larry's material Mondays through Fridays.  :)

>         God doesn't read (Larry's material) on Saturday?

>> God is watching Unitas throw heavenly touchdown passes on Sundays, and
>> laughing at Larry's material Mondays through Fridays.  :)
>         God doesn't read (Larry's material) on Saturday?

>> God is watching Unitas throw heavenly touchdown passes on
>> Sundays, and
>> laughing at Larry's material Mondays through Fridays.  :)
>         God doesn't read (Larry's material) on Saturday?

> Mr. G.  This is Z

> It rained all day today. Nine eleven. It rained today.

> burd44 aka Z