Re: Google's archives - No M*A*S*H* "Goes to" in archives?
Will Dockery
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=en
had to say about these two, and all I could get was:
Your search - "M*A*S*H" "Goes to Texas" - did not match any
documents.
Suggestions:
- Make sure all words are spelled correctly.
- Try different keywords.
- Try more general keywords.
- Try fewer keywords.
- Try your search on all Google Groups.
- Try your search on Google Web Search.
Which I know isn't right because I myself have written some on the
M*A*S*H sequels.
Anyway... hope they are still working with it, and haven't begun
congratulating themselves already.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
George Dance
Using the search string,
mash goes to
to search within the group brings up 6,570 hits (a lot of which aren't
about the books), while the string
"mash goes to"
brings up none (which probably still is a bug). The best result is
using
mash "goes to"
which brings up 1,600 or so; most of (the first couple of pages of)
which do look to be all about the novel series, including posts of
yours.
HTH
George Dance
I naturally had to go over to ATM and check all that out for myself. I
noticed you'd posted the same query there, so I wrote a reply to it
there as well.
George Dance
Using the search string,
mash goes to
brings up 6,570 hits (a lot of which aren't about the books), while
the string
"mash goes to"
brings up none (which probably still is a bug). The best result is
using
mash "goes to"
which brings up 1,600 or so; most of (the first couple of pages of)
which do look to be all about the novel series.
Will Dockery
Thanks, I just hit the "Search This Group' button and got nothing,
although it used to work like a charm.
George Dance
There still are a lot of bugs in the system. For instance, if you go
into an author's profile and click on the posts for a month, the
chance are you'll get nothing. (That's the bug that fooled me into
thinking Gwyneth's one post in three years was no longer in the
archives, BTW.) But things are a lot better than they've been in a
long time. And the important thing is, google now has people assigned
to keeping the usenet search engines maintained, whereas before they
were being completely neglected.
Two years ago, just after Dale Houstman wrote AUKtard Daedalus asking
fpr someone to take 'punitive action' against me, the search for my
name developed a strange bug; if I typed in ["george dance"] and hit
the Search Groups button, I couldn't find any posts. A few days later
they were back, but with the threads on my Kook Award nomination and
my Clueless Newbie nomination pinned to the top of the search, where
they've stayed. That's finally been fixed, and a Search Groups for
["george dance"] now brings up poetry first. I'm quite happy about
that.
i can only imagine imagine how many petty instances of hacking and
f*ing with the search engines like that must have gone on over the
past 10 years, and how much that had to do with their corruption.
Stormin Mormon
books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
to look, some day.
--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
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"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Oct 24, 1:08 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
wrote:
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not
really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that
is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in
Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop
series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New
Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the
archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=en
Which I know isn't right because I myself have written some
Will Dockery
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> to look, some day.
>
Christopher, when you find them hang on to them, since they're getting
pretty rare... after all, they've been oop for going on 40 years.
Well, I did find a mighty fine website that wasn't around the last
time I looked for info on the M*A*S*H novels... reviews of the entire
series. Here's excerpts on one of the two I found in Atlanta a couple
of days ago:
http://www.rah96.com/bestrah/mashnovl.php
"...Rather less well known is the fact that Richard Hooker, who did
not participate in the production of either the movie or the TV
series, went on to write several sequels to the original novel. I
found some of them in used book stores starting in the late 1970s. It
should be noted that these books continue the characters as developed
in the original novel, on which the movie was based, and have nothing
whatever to do with the TV series. This means that if your only
exposure to M*A*S*H has been through the sitcom, you really need to
read the original M*A*S*H novel and M*A*S*H Goes To Maine before
starting any of the others. As a single example of the
inconsistencies, the TV Hawkeye was an only child whose father was a
physician. Hawkeye as presented in these novels is from a large
family, the brood of a Maine lobsterman..."
[...]
"...The rest of these novels were cowritten by Richard Hooker and
William E. Butterworth. They were published as paperbacks by Pocket
Books. They all have advertising language on their covers relating
them to the M*A*S*H TV series, although (as mentioned) they having
nothing to do with that show. The sitcom *was* one of the most popular
shows on the air when these novels were published, which explains
everything.
M*A*S*H Goes To New Orleans
M*A*S*H Goes To New Orleans was released in January 1975. In this
story, Hawkeye is drugged by his loving wife and spirited to New
Orleans by Trapper John. The idea is to get Hawkeye well out of the
way while his fourth child is born, since he was driving everyone
nuts. While in New Orleans, our heroes try desperately to avoid
attending any convention sessions of the American Tonsil, Adenoid and
Vas Deferens Society (Francis Burns, M.D. - Public Affairs Vice
President). By several extraordinary coincidences (read: plot
devices), a few other 4077 alumni are staying in the same hotel. These
include Hot Lips, Father (now Archbishop) John Mulcahy, and Jean-
Pierre "Horsey" de la Chevaux, a former infantry sergeant whose leg
was once saved at the 4077th MASH. Horsey, now a petroleum
millionaire, is a regular inhabitant of these novels. He's usually
accompanied by his comrades, the drunken members of the Bayou Perdu
Council, Knights of Columbus..."
[..]
"...These novels are not, in general, great literature. They make good
light entertainment, though. If you like parodies of politicians, the
medical profession, Hollywood, opera, and religion (which is
redundant, given the other items on the list) you should enjoy these
novels. The above list of M*A*S*H novels is not complete. These are
the ones I own so far. I'm still combing used book stores for the
records of the M*A*S*H gang's journeys to: Hollywood, Miami, Texas,
Montreal, Morocco, and San Francisco..."
"...Dave Bealer is a forty-something mainframe systems programmer who
works with CICS, MVS and all manner of nasty acronyms at one of the
largest heavy metal shops on the East Coast. He shares a waterfront
townhome in Pasadena, MD. with a cat who annoys him endlessly as he
assiduously avoids writing for and publishing Random Access Humor..."
Not much online about the Texas volume, but I did find this synopsis:
http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9780722146415-MASH+Goes+to+Texas
M*A*S*H Goes to Texas
"...Everyone's having a ball... The big Saints versus Cowboys football
bonanza in Dallas, Texas is promising to be one helluva game! To start
with, Nurse Esther Flanagan has made the big mistake of letting those
two manic medics, Hawkeye and Trapper John, chaperone her to the game.
And they, in turn, are joined by the Reverend Mother Emeritus Hot
Lips, with Horsey de ka Chevaux in tow. And when the mob from M*A*S*H
meet up with Chief Sitting Buffalo and his cowboy pal - who are being
pursued by Lance and Brucie, a pair of extremely happy photographers
out to capture the flavour of the real ole Wild West... You can bet
your last dollar it's going to be a SM*A*S*HHeroo of a ball game..."
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
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Jack Johnson
MASH novels. In fact, in another thread, someone mentioned a movie,
called "WALTER". I was unaware of that TV movie aswell. I'd like to
learn more about all of the auxiliary MASH related items out there. Far
more than I was aware of.
Will Dockery
>
> Well, I'm a great fan of the film, and TV series, but I was not aware of
> MASH novels. In fact, in another thread, someone mentioned a movie,
> called "WALTER". I was unaware of that TV movie aswell. I'd like to
I know very little about the Radar movie, myself... any info on these
subjects I'd love to see commited to the Usenet archives, where it can
always be found in future generations.
> learn more about all of the auxiliary MASH related items out there. Far
> more than I was aware of.
Hello, Jack... while searching around on the M*A*S*H novels, which I
found a nice page of character descriptions which reflect some of the
differences in Hawkeye, Trapper, et al from the television series just
now, btw:
http://www.bestcareanywhere.net/books.htm
I was reminded of the play by Tim Kelly, which I've yet to actually
see a copy of, anywhere:
http://www.saac-arts.org/content/index.php?page=m-a-s-h
"...This spring, the South Arkansas Arts Center presents a slice of
American pop-culture that is more truth than fiction. M*A*S*H, the
satirical comedy play by Tim Kelly, is derived from the 1968 novel
MASH: A novel about three army doctors by H. Richard Hornberger,
written under the penname Richard Hooker. The novel is based on his
own experiences while serving as a surgeon at the 8055th MASH unit in
South Korea, during the war..."
"...the pileup of comic adventures that pyramid right before the eyes
of your astonished and hysterical audience! Hawkeye has a scene with a
woman psychiatrist who believes he's been trying to lobster-trap
mermaids in a rice paddy! There's a jolly encounter with the baby-
talking Bonwit sisters, the worst tap-dancing act the U.S.O. ever sent
overseas. A sergeant is selling dumb GIs fishing rights in the Bay of
Phum. Radar O'Reilly, a soldier with incredible hearing, anticipates
things before they happen. The proprietor of a painless dental clinic
is cured of dark moods by the recreation of an old monster movie�and a
monster! It's all here, including a little romance mixed in with
dramatic moments and a genuine love of life. Oh, yes-the Korean boy
does get his education in the United States!"
Some stills from this adaptation of M*A*S*H are on the YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mv1RrKHnINE
I'll continue my Googling to see what else new is out there on the
novels, and the even more elusive play... I haven't looked on the net
in a couple of years on these two favorite subjects of mine, so I look
forward to locating some grand stuff, which I'll report back here on,
of course.
Will Dockery
>
> > Well, I'm a great fan of the film, and TV series, but I was not aware of
> > MASH novels. In fact, in another thread, someone mentioned a movie,
> > called "WALTER". I was unaware of that TV movie aswell. I'd like to
>
> I know very little about the Radar movie, myself... any info on these
> subjects I'd love to see commited to the Usenet archives, where it can
> always be found in future generations.
>
> > learn more about all of the auxiliary MASH related items out there. Far
> > more than I was aware of.
Here's a good place to get an idea of what Wikipedia calls the
"M*A*S*H Franchise":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H
"...M*A*S*H is a media franchise. Owned in its film and television
incarnations by 20th Century Fox, the series concerns a group of
fictional characters who served at the fictional 4077th Mobile Army
Surgical Hospital during the Korean War, loosely based on M*A*S*H
8055th. The original incarnations of the series are set during the war
and feature Hawkeye Pierce as the main character. Later spin-offs
involve characters who appeared in the series, but take place after
the end of the war. However, almost all versions of the series fit
into the genre of black comedy and involve medicine in a prominent
role due to most of the main characters being doctors.
The franchise effectively ended with the conclusion of Trapper John,
M.D. on September 4, 1986. As of 2009[update], there has been no
attempt to reprise the series since then. However, a fanbase for the
series still exists and 20th Century Fox has had notable success
selling the film and seasons of the original TV series on DVD.
The M*A*S*H franchise began with the novel, MASH: A Novel About Three
Army Doctors written by Richard Hooker based on his own experience
serving as a surgeon at M*A*S*H unit 8055. The novel was originally
published in 1968 and was followed by several sequels..."
> Hello, Jack... while searching around on the M*A*S*H novels, which I
> found a nice page of character descriptions which reflect some of the
> differences in Hawkeye, Trapper, et al from the television series just
> now, btw:
>
> http://www.bestcareanywhere.net/books.htm
>
> I was reminded of the play by Tim Kelly, which I've yet to actually
> see a copy of, anywhere:
Yes, the internet has caught up with the M*A*S*H spinoffs better than
I expected, over the past couple of years... here's a nice overview,
including a synopsis, of Tim Kelly's adaptation of M*A*S*H:
http://www.ltnonline.org/Education/Education/assets/MashGuide.pdf
And, thanks to Google Books, we now have the complete script of Tim
Kelly's M*A*S*H:
http://books.google.com/books?id=HzcyhCUk6y8C&lpg=PP1&pg=PP1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
A fascinating subject, for a classic of Americana.
Wiseguy
@baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com:
"WALTER" was only 30 minutes (with commercials), not a TV movie.
Will Dockery
I suppose those of us who missed it may be led to believe it was more
than that because of all the hoopla that was put into it, supposedly,
when it aired:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H
"W*A*L*T*E*R was the pilot for a television series that was not picked
up. It would have featured Gary Burghoff reprising the role of Walter
O'Reilly, who is no longer referred to as "Radar." The pilot was shown
as a "CBS Special Presentation" on July 17, 1984..."
Jack Johnson
'Walter', of Wiseguy.
I don't even remember this.
Jack Johnson
Wiseguy, what network was "WALTER" on ? I don't even remember it.
Wiseguy
@baytvnwsxa002.msntv.msn.com:
> Thanks to all for your links, and response.
>
>
> Wiseguy, what network was "WALTER" on ? I don't even remember it.
>
>
CBS, same as MASH, AfterMASH and Trapper John, MD.
I don't remember much about it but I remember thinking there was too much
plot in just a half hour. It probably could have been stretched to an hour
(or a 2-part pilot) without much difficulty.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
> I got nothing,
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hc199p$fdb$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> to look, some day.
"M*A*S*H* goes to Texas" is about as stupid and campy as the Harlem
Globetrotters rescuing the castaways from Gilligan's Island. It's almost
what I might expect from a straight-to-DVD these days with Hollywood so
pathetically out of ideas. At any rate, if M*A*S*H went to Texas, then what
the fuck would be the point? They wanted to be in America ANYWAY, and
they're SUPPOSED to be in Korea...putting them in Texas would either make
every single member AWOL or just be plain stupid!
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
AfterMASH did with the television version:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AfterMASH
"...AfterMASH is an American situation comedy that aired on CBS from
September 26, 1983 to May 31, 1985. A spin-off of the long-running hit
series M*A*S*H (the name is a pun on aftermath), the show took place
immediately following the end of the Korean War and chronicled the
adventures of three characters from the original series: Colonel
Potter (played by Harry Morgan), Klinger (played by Jamie Farr) and
Father Mulcahy (played by William Christopher). Morgan, Farr, and
Christopher had voted in the minority when the cast of M*A*S*H elected
not to continue the original series..."
[...]
"...The only other main character from the original series to appear
on AfterMASH was Radar (played by Gary Burghoff), who appeared in a
first season two-part episode. As Potter, Klinger, and Mulcahy prepare
to head to Iowa for Radar's wedding, Radar shows up in a panic at
Potter's house in Missouri, believing his intended fiancée has cheated
on him in "It Had To Be You". The Radar character later appeared in a
pilot called W*A*L*T*E*R, in which Radar moved from Iowa to St. Louis
and became a police officer..."
Anyway, I'm surprised you didn't figure that out on your own, already.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
On Oct 26, 9:51 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:hc199p$fdb$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
>
> > Many years ago, I used to have a couple of the "goes to"
> > books. I was disappointed that the authors filled a lot of
> > pages by spelling out things, repeatedly. I do remember
> > enjoying the books. I wonder if I still have the books. Have
> > to look, some day.
>
> "M*A*S*H* goes to Texas" is about as stupid and campy as the Harlem
> Globetrotters rescuing the castaways from Gilligan's Island. It's almost
> what I might expect from a straight-to-DVD these days with Hollywood so
> pathetically out of ideas. At any rate, if M*A*S*H went to Texas, then
> what
> the fuck would be the point? They wanted to be in America ANYWAY, and
> they're SUPPOSED to be in Korea...putting them in Texas would either make
> every single member AWOL or just be plain stupid!
The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
AfterMASH did with the television version:
= snip =
I don't care. It's a stupid concept and campy as all hell.
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
So, why bother to even read or post, then?
Jack Johnson
likely a troll, looking or an argument.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
So, why bother [SMACK]
Because, Duckery. Just because. Now fuck off.
Will Dockery
>
> I think it's probably safe to say, that "Orson Wells" is more than
> likely a troll, looking or an argument.
Yes, snipping off the other newsgroups will hopefully ditch him.
Anyway, some interesting (to me, anyway) thoughts worth discussing is
the "AfterMASH" concept in general, as in what happened to the people
of 4077 after the war, and some of the more far out details of the
novels /and/ television aside (Radar as a cop? Almost as odd as what
the novels turned him into, or odder, in a way), we have a timeline of
sorts for almost all the M*A*S*H charactrs all the way up to, what,
1986 in the case of Trapper John.
Perhaps the biggest difference between the novels (which were approved
by the creator of M*A*S*H since he had his name on the books as co-
writer, although now it seems a given that he didn't write but three
of the, what, 17 books) and the television version is that Blake
didn't die, and continues to appear in some of the novels... and it
was, I think, actually stated in the books that Richard Hooker didn't
approve of killing off Blake. Stranger things happen in soap operas
all the time, and I'll throw this out for discussion to the group;
couldn't we say that Blake /did/ somehow survive, and television being
what it always has been, and pop culture in general (for example, look
at how many times Superman & Captain America, to name just two, have
"died", only to return miraculously or through some ruse) it doesn't
seem that far-fetched, and doesn't deminish the drama of Blake's exit
from the series, either, since the cast truly did think he'd died.
And wasn't the character of Blake sort of "killed off" out of spite to
Stevenson, anyway, I've read somewhere, before?
Anyway, let's have a look at the two immediate sequels to M*A*S*H, the
television AfterMASH and the novel M*A*S*H Goes To Maine:
http://www.finest-kind.net/articles/aftermash.php
First thing I notice of great interest is the only two characters
remaining as main characters in this spinoff/sequel from the original
novel are Father Mulcahy and Radar O'Reily:
"...The key facts: it would be set after the war at a stateside
veteran’s hospital and would star Harry Morgan, Jamie Farr and William
Christopher as Sherman Potter, Maxwell Klinger and Father Mulcahy,
respectively. According to a TV Guide article from November of 1983,
when the cast of M*A*S*H got together to decide if they wanted to
continue for an eleventh season in 1982, Morgan, Farr and Christopher
were the three most in favor of continuing..."
[...]
"...Rosalind Chao, who played Klinger’s Korean wife Soon-Lee in the
final episodes of M*A*S*H, was already set to return in AfterMASH.
Several new characters, including Colonel Potter’s oft-mentioned but
never seen wife, Mildred, were also created. Barbara Townsend was cast
as Mildred Potter and John Chappell, Brandis Kemp and Jay O. Sanders
were cast as hospital administrator Michael D’Angelo, his secretary
Alma Cox and doctor Gene Pfeiffer, respectively [...] The premiere saw
Sherman Potter, Maxwell Klinger and Father Mulcahy (no longer deaf
thanks to an operation) together again at General Pershing Veterans
Administration Hospital (more commonly known as General-General) in
River Bend, Missouri in September of 1953."
[...]
"...In January of 1984, having survived the first half of its freshman
season, AfterMASH experienced some growing pains. The character of Dr.
Pfeiffer, played by Jay O. Sanders, was phased out “because the
character just wasn’t working,” according to TV Guide. A new
character, Dr. Boyer, played by David Ackroyd, was introduced in the
same episode, which also had a cameo from actor Gary Burghoff as
Walter “Radar” O’Reilly. Burghoff had left M*A*S*H at the start of its
eighth season.Burghoff would guest star in the following week’s
episode, which dealt with Radar’s upcoming marriage. As Potter,
Mulcahy and Klinger prepare to head to Iowa for the wedding, Radar
shows up at Potter’s house in Missouri, pre-wedding jitters having
gotten the best of him. Rumors about Burghoff’s appearance foretelling
yet another M*A*S*H spin-off were not exactly true: his guest role on
AfterMASH may have “tested” the waters some but it did not serve as a
pilot for a potential series (that would have to wait for W*A*L*T*E*R
later that year)..."
Meanwhile, back in the early 1970s, not long before the television
version of M*A*S*H began, Richard Hooker wrote the sequel, giving his
idea of AfterMASH. Of course, since the characters of Potter and
Klinger didn't even exist yet, they weren't involved in that story (of
course neither are other great contributions to the M*A*S*H mythos,
either, such as Winchester & BJ) and, notably, Duke Forest, who was
cut from the tv series, plays a major part in the "Goes to Maine"
story:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M*A*S*H_Goes_to_Maine
"...Hawkeye Pierce returns to live in Crabapple Cove, Maine near the
town of Spruce Harbor. Having left the Army, Hawkeye is established to
be working for the Veterans Administration. In May 1954 he is laid
off. At this point, Hawkeye doesn’t have much money in the bank, is 31
years old, and has three children: Billy, Stephen and Karen.
The day he’s released, Trapper John McIntyre comes to visit and sets
Hawkeye’s future in motion. Trapper John, a Lieutenant in the medical
organization of Maxie Neville in New York City, arranges for further
thoracic training for Hawkeye, first in the East Orange VA Hospital in
New Jersey, then at St Lombard’s in Manhattan from July 1954. After
two years Hawkeye breezes through the Thoracic Boards. At the end of
his training in June 1956, two Spruce Harbor locals, Jocko Allcock
(the man who was responsible for Hawkeye being fired by the VA) and
“Wooden Leg” Willcox (the local fish magnate) come to visit Hawkeye to
set him up in practice—by betting favorably on the outcome of his
operations.
The first operation with Trapper John’s assistance (upon Pasquale
Merlino) is a success, and thanks to his superior training Hawkeye
becomes the local surgeon. As time goes by, Hawkeye is given more
patients by the local general practitioner of note, “Doggy” Moore;
goes into private practice with ex-Spitfire pilot Tony Holcombe and
plots the eventual reuniting of the Swamp Gang. By 1959 Hawkeye has
lured Trapper John, Duke Forrest, and Spearchucker Jones into his net,
and thanks to the proceeds of the “Allcock-Willcox” syndicate, a new
“Finestkind Fishmarket and Clinic” is set up along with the new Spruce
Harbor General Hospital.
Duke returns to Georgia from Korea, and takes a course in urology.
Hawkeye Pierce then invites him up to Spruce Harbor, Maine to join him
and a new friend, Tony Holcombe in private practice. Duke immediately
turns up in Maine with his bloodhound, Little Eva, and joins Hawkeye
in persuading Spearchucker to become the local neurosurgeon. Duke and
his family move into Crabapple Cove next to Hawkeye and Mary
Pierce..."
"...M*A*S*H Goes to Maine is a novel written by Richard Hooker and
originally published in 1972. A sequel to 1968's M*A*S*H: A Novel
About Three Army Doctors, it features several of that novel's
characters in rural Maine. An attempt to adapt M*A*S*H Goes to Maine
as a feature film was unsuccessful..."
I'm seeing some details on the aborted M*A*S*H film sequel in Google
Search, which may yield some interesting facts, and of course, the
final (so far) installment in the M*A*S*H epic, or mythos, to put in
place is the Trapper John, MD series... bringing the story up to
around 1986, I think it is, at least the story of one remaining member
of the 4077, since as far as I know, none of the other M*A*S*H
characters appear in that, and are only slightly mentioned a couple of
times.
Interesting stuff, and interesting to imagine how all this might
somehow fit together in some surreal continuity.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
On Oct 25, 3:18 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Thanks, I just hit the "Search This Group' button and got nothing,
> > although it used to work like a charm.
>
> There still are a lot of bugs in the system. For instance, if you go
> into an author's profile and click on the posts for a month, the
> chance are you'll get nothing. (That's the bug that fooled me into
> thinking Gwyneth's one post in three years was no longer in the
> archives, BTW.) But things are a lot better than they've been in a
> long time. And the important thing is, google now has people assigned
> to keeping the usenet search engines maintained, whereas before they
> were being completely neglected.
>
> Two years ago, just after Dale Houstman wrote AUKtard Daedalus asking
> fpr someone to take 'punitive action' against me, the search for my
> name developed a strange bug; if I typed in ["george dance"] and hit
> the Search Groups button, I couldn't find any posts. A few days later
> they were back, but with the threads on my Kook Award nomination and
> my Clueless Newbie nomination pinned to the top of the search, where
> they've stayed. That's finally been fixed, and a Search Groups for
> ["george dance"] now brings up poetry first. I'm quite happy about
> that.
>
> i can only imagine imagine how many petty instances of hacking and
> f*ing with the search engines like that must have gone on over the
> past 10 years, and how much that had to do with their corruption.
Yes, there are still problems with searching,
= snippage the stupidage =
Are there really problems or are you just a moron who can't figure out how
to use the search function properly?
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> to use the search function properly?
Go back to the start of the thread:
On Oct 24, 1:08=A0pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
<snipped, and update, below>
I notice that the Google Groups archives are still not really fixed,
since on some of the lesser-used groups (don't know if that is a
factor) it won't allow me to search within a group. While in Atlanta
yesterday, I found a couple of copies of the rare, oop series of
M*A*S*H* novels from the 1970s, "M*A*S*H* Goes to New Orleans" &
"M*A*S*H* Goes to Texas" so I wanted to read what the archives of the
M*A*S*H* newsgroup
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.mash/topics?hl=3Den
Don Del Grande
>The M*A*S*H "Goes to" series of novels take place after the Korean
>War, and all the characters have come home, the same concept as
>AfterMASH did with the television version
Didn't one of the books come up with an explanation about Henry Blake
surviving his plane being shot down (to explain how he appears in the
earliest books)?
-- Don
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
Go back to [SMACK]
Answer the question, twerp.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Don Del Grande" <del_gra...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:d45fe5daa74qpdssk...@4ax.com...
No, you're thinking of the Carol Burnett show, who had "Henry" in a life
raft in the middle of the ocean the day or so after that episode aired.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
flapped his arms really fast as he fell toward the ocean?
Wiseguy
9abb-d60...@g22g2000prf.googlegroups.com:
>
> Anyway, some interesting (to me, anyway) thoughts worth discussing is
> the "AfterMASH" concept in general, as in what happened to the people
> of 4077 after the war, and some of the more far out details of the
> novels /and/ television aside (Radar as a cop? Almost as odd as what
> the novels turned him into, or odder, in a way), we have a timeline of
> sorts for almost all the M*A*S*H charactrs all the way up to, what,
> 1986 in the case of Trapper John.
>
> Perhaps the biggest difference between the novels (which were approved
> by the creator of M*A*S*H since he had his name on the books as co-
> writer, although now it seems a given that he didn't write but three
> of the, what, 17 books) and the television version is that Blake
> didn't die, and continues to appear in some of the novels... and it
> was, I think, actually stated in the books that Richard Hooker didn't
> approve of killing off Blake. Stranger things happen in soap operas
> all the time, and I'll throw this out for discussion to the group;
> couldn't we say that Blake /did/ somehow survive, and television being
> what it always has been, and pop culture in general (for example, look
> at how many times Superman & Captain America, to name just two, have
> "died", only to return miraculously or through some ruse) it doesn't
> seem that far-fetched, and doesn't deminish the drama of Blake's exit
> from the series, either, since the cast truly did think he'd died.
>
I prefer to think of the novels/movie and the series as sort of parallel
universes, mostly the same people but different events/histories.
Henry Blake died in one universe but not the other,
Another parallel universe is The Odd Couple.
In the play/movie Oscar had kids, Felix' ex-wife was Frances and his son
was older than his daughter.
In the TV series Oscar had no kids, Felix' ex-wife was Gloria and his
daughter was older than his son.
Both Odd Couple universes had sequels: Odd Couple II Movie in 1998, and
the TV-Movie Odd Couple: Together Again in 1993. Neither was very good.
Both Odd Couple universes had remakes: a female Odd Couple on stage and
a black Odd Couple on TV.
Wiseguy
I think one of the novels had a footnote (those authors loved footnotes
especially ones that directed you to buy the other novels) which said that
like Mark Twain the rumors of his death were highly exaggerated or
something like that.
Will Dockery
wrote:
Yes, I see another poster here in this thread going into some detail
on that. I hit on some great stuff in a book archived at Google Books,
Larry Gelbart himself is interviewed pretty extensively, and here's
what he had to say about Hornberger and his keeping Henry Blake alive
in the M*A*S*H novels:
"He was also mad as Hell that we had killed Henry Blake. He had a
M*A*S*H book industry going... with a collaborator, he was doin
M*A*S*H Goes to Paris, M*A*S*H Goes to Las Vegas. He was doing M*A*S*H
Goes here, M*A*S*H Goes there. So, he was making a tidy living with
Henry Blake very much alive and kicking --- and we had him very much
dead and buried! Or drowned. So, I
Will Dockery
> On Oct 27, 10:58 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Here's more of my research on M*A*S*H, in case anyone might have an
> > interest... only Matt had any earlier this year, and he's apparently
> > gone, but in case you're out there lurking, here you go, pal, and come
> > on back, btw:
>
> Unfortunately, M*A*S*H means nothing to me; I didn't have a TV when
> the series first came out, and never picked up on it later. I do
> remember seeing the movie, though not much of that itself. I saw it
> when it first came out (70?); my uncle and aunt took my sister and me,
> expecting something like a typical John Wayne-style war movie. They
> drove us home in shock. I thought the movie was pretty weird, and
> didn't understand everything that happened. One part I actually
> disliked was the constant pranks on Burns and Hotlips; it seemed like
> bullying to me. I know the idea was that the majors were bullying the
> doctors as superior officers, but it didn't look that way since the
> doctors never followed the orders anyway. It just looked like two
> people being picked on because their stereotypes (the Nerd and the
> Hall Monitor) were the right sort of targets.
Yes, I can see how that must have been an uncomfortable moviegoing
experience for you... down here, there was already a buzz going on for
M*A*S*H among the cool outsider kids... who, back then were picked on
here in the South for /being/ cool... this was a time when changes
were not appreciated, and the Hall Monitors & straight, right-thinking
(Young Republicans, I recall, were big among this type) Nerds (anti
desegrigation & pro Nam) joined with the football jocks & cheerleaders
to where there was an overall authority of the teachers, and the
lower, "on the street" (or hallways) authority... ah, this will take
too much time to get into a coherent statement.
I'll just say that many of us indentified with Trapper John & Hawkeye
of the movie version when it first appeared, although in real life in
a Junior High School (I think Stuart told me once not to put that in
caps in this context) such antics would tend to get smacked down right
fact by fellow students in the Hot-Lips/Burns mold.
High school soon came and things changed fast... the old order had
changed a lot, desgregation had set in and the inmates ruled the
asylum. By graduation time many of us had become mellowed &
enlightened, much like Hawkeye did under Alan Alda's interpretation.
> > Anyway, some interesting (to me, anyway) thoughts worth discussing is
> > the "AfterMASH" concept in general, as in what happened to the people
> > of 4077 after the war, and some of the more far out details of the
> > novels /and/ television aside (Radar as a cop? Almost as odd as what
> > the novels turned him into, or odder, in a way), we have a timeline of
> > sorts for almost all the M*A*S*H charactrs all the way up to, what,
> > 1986 in the case of Trapper John.
>
> > Perhaps the biggest difference between the novels (which were approved
> > by the creator of M*A*S*H since he had his name on the books as co-
> > writer, although now it seems a given that he didn't write but three
> > of the, what, 17 books) and the television version is that Blake
> > didn't die, and continues to appear in some of the novels... and it
> > was, I think, actually stated in the books that Richard Hooker didn't
> > approve of killing off Blake. Stranger things happen in soap operas
> > all the time, and I'll throw this out for discussion to the group;
> > couldn't we say that Blake /did/ somehow survive, and television being
> > what it always has been, and pop culture in general (for example, look
> > at how many times Superman & Captain America, to name just two, have
> > "died", only to return miraculously or through some ruse) it doesn't
> > seem that far-fetched, and doesn't deminish the drama of Blake's exit
> > from the series, either, since the cast truly did think he'd died.
>
> Now, this is intriguing. One way to reconcile the different histories
> is through the science-fiction concept of parallel worlds. It's based
> on the philosophical idea of possible worlds; since any truth could
> possibly be false and vice versa, for every time something happens one
> way gives rise to a possible world where it did not happen. The sci fi
> element comes in with the idea that each of these possible worlds
> exists in its own space-time continuum. The theory is that there's an
> infinite number of possible worlds, so you'd never run out of them. So
> there'd be at least one world where Blake was alive, and one where he
> was dead.
>
> Star Trek was another show that had problems with the alternate
> futures in its movies and the official novels (hundreds of them) that
> were made, and that would have been an ideal way to reconcile the
> differences in them. Alas, it didn't; the consensus view was that the
> movies were "reality," and the novels (plus the fanfic) were just a
> fiction based on it.
>
> I think Star Trek did have an episode, "Visit to a Weird Planet," that
> explored the idea of parallel worlds. In that one, the Enterprise crew
> ended up in a TV studio where Star Trek was being taped.
Yes, this sure seems the way it is (007 is another case of this sort
of string theory, there's the Fleming novels, the Connery Bond, the
Moore, and so on), and M*A*S*H can seem to easily be explained as
having three distinct realities:
1) The Hornberger novels
2) The Altman film
3) The television series
When i get more time I'd like to return to your specific points, but
for now... there is none, really.
More later, I hope.
> Anyway, it's just a thought; and I thought i should say something,
> since I have little or nothing to say about MASH.
--
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
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....posted something copyrighted to Usenet years later without permission?
Dipwad.
Will Dockery
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Thanks for posting, Orson.
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
On Oct 28, 2:33 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"> news:ee3709a1-e946-4893...@r5g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
why not sober up and c[SMACK]
Duckery, if I thought you had even the slightest chance in Hell of being
able to openly practice reading comprehension, I'd grab you by your tail
feathers and nail you to a chalkboard. But alas, you remain ignorant and
stupid, and pathetically inobservant of that which eventually makes you look
even more moronic than usual...
Paul Gadzikowski
<noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> Are there really problems or are you just a moron who can't figure out how
> to use the search function properly?
There are really problems. I've been noticing it for some time, say at
least a year. Test searches for posts I know exist because I have them
archived on my hard drive fail to appear in searches on strings from
their contents or subjects.
Paul Gadzikowski, scar...@iglou.com
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Will Dockery
> On Oct 27, 4:07 pm, "Orson Wells as CitizenCain"
>
> <noem...@here.invalidd> wrote:
> > Are there really problems or are you just a moron who can't figure out how
> > to use the search function properly?
>
> There are really problems. I've been noticing it for some time, say at
> least a year. Test searches for posts I know exist because I have them
> archived on my hard drive fail to appear in searches on strings from
> their contents or subjects.
It has gotten smoewhat better, perhaps they'll stick with getting it
straight this time around.
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