Change Day - Y113
Xcalibur
Last night, my wife and I got out the MASH DVDs and watched a
few episodes. Among them was Change Day from Season 6. After
watching the episode, my wife admitted that she didn't
understand the exchange of scrip at the end with Winchester.
To some degree, I don't quite understand what they did either.
Obviously, they gave Winchester back $40, which was .10 cents
on the dollar for the $400 that Hawkeye needed to repay the
MP. However, they gave back the entire bag of blue script to
Winchester because it was going to be worthless.
Given that we have seen many acts of charity from Hawkeye in
terms of money, I wonder why Hawkeye wouldn't have kept the
scrip, exchanged it, and then donated it back to the
villagers. It's not that Hawkeye or BJ didn't know where the
money was stolen from.
Just curious...
Cheers!
- Xcalibur
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man who knows has gone to the Great Stage in the Sky).
It would seem in character for Hawkeye to return the new
money to the village. But how to know who gets money and
such? It's not like Winchster will remember the people and
faces.
Wasn't the money going to Sister Theresa's orphanage, after
all? Do I remember that Hawkeye gave the money to Father
Mulcahy to give to Sister Theresa?
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"Xcalibur" <Xcal...@usenet.newsgroup> wrote in message
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Andre
<cayoung61**spambloc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Good question. I don't have any inside information (and the
> man who knows has gone to the Great Stage in the Sky).
>
> It would seem in character for Hawkeye to return the new
> money to the village. But how to know who gets money and
> such? It's not like Winchster will remember the people and
> faces.
>
> Wasn't the money going to Sister Theresa's orphanage, after
> all? Do I remember that Hawkeye gave the money to Father
> Mulcahy to give to Sister Theresa?
>
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I found the actual problem was that Winchester got his hands on the
new script at all ! It was kept under armed guard until H Hour
(16:00 ?) and then the camp was locked down; no one in or out.
Andre
Xcalibur
> I found the actual problem was that Winchester got his
> hands on the new script at all ! It was kept under armed
> guard until H Hour (16:00 ?) and then the camp was locked
> down; no one in or out.
I don't believe he did. I thought that he gave the villagers US
currency as they were not supposed to have military scrip in the
first place.
Cheers!
-- Xcalibur
Eddie
"Stormin Mormon" <cayoung61**spamblock##@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Good question. I don't have any inside information (and the
> man who knows has gone to the Great Stage in the Sky).
If you mean LG, this ep was after his time on the show.
Chris05161967
The reason for giving it back to Winchester, was because he was
'profiteering' on the local villagers.
At one point, instead of paying Mr. Kim, the tailor, he tells Mr. Kim
"Mr. Kim, I have a proposition. Tomorrow, The Army is changing all
military script. I will change all the old script for your people".
Mr. Kim says 'What's in it, for me?". Winchester says, "ten cents on
the dollar". Mr. Kim says "Ah, 90% profit for you."
Mr. Kim tells Hawkeye n' BJ "He no add to my pocket, he only give
compliment."
When the gate closes, Winchester doesn't make it in time. Hawkeye n'
BJ are at the gate, waiting for him. Winchester says "Hawkeye will
you exchange this for me? It is $400 in $40 increments." Hawkeye
gives $40 of the old script back to him and says "Boone gets his and,
you get yours. $40 for $400." BJ says, "Keep this with our
compliments." Winchester responds "This is highway robbery!!!".
Hawkeye says "Oh shore patrol, this man would like to report a crime"
where Klinger says "What seems to be your problem, Sir?".
By giving Winchester back his old worthless script, they turned his
profiteering on him by giving him old script.
Jack Johnson
lol.
Stormin Mormon
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Stormin Mormon
Marks Directed by Don Weis Guest Stars: Phillip Ahn, Noel
Toy, Glenn Ash, Richard Lee Sung Charles plots a scheme to
get rich when he discovers that blue scrip is going to be
exchanged for red scrip. Hawkeye and B.J. outsmart him, and
he is left holding the worthless scrip
That's the extent of my findings, so far.
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"Andre" <dak...@alcor.concordia.ca> wrote in message
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Brian Christiansen
> Given that we have seen many acts of charity from Hawkeye in
> terms of money, I wonder why Hawkeye wouldn't have kept the
> scrip, exchanged it, and then donated it back to the
> villagers. It's not that Hawkeye or BJ didn't know where the
> money was stolen from.
>
I still don't think CEW did any thing wrong in this episode, or "steal"
anything from anyone.
The villagers had a commodity, the script, that presumably had value to
them, but would not after the exchange. It would, however, have value
to CEW, therefore he made an offer to buy it. The villagers could do
several things with that offer:
1) Refuse CEW's offer on some sort of "principle". I have no idea what
they would do with the script, though.
2) Refuse CEW' offer and hope to find another buyer that would offer
more money for the script. I get the impression, though, that CEW could
actually offer the most money for the script than pretty much anyone
else in the camp.
3) Refuse CEW's offer in hopes that he might make a better offer.
4) Accept CEW's offer.
It might be "wrong" or "immoral" that CEW only offered 10 cents on the
dollar, but what amount would be "right" or "moral"?
Brian Christiansen
Eddie
> 2) Refuse CEW' offer and hope to find another buyer >that would offer
> more money for the script. I get the >impression, though, that CEW could
> actually offer the >most money for the script than pretty much anyone else
> in the camp.
Had Hawkeye & BJ been the ones to offer the exchange, they wouldn't have
done it out of greed, but rather they'd have exchaged it dollar for dollar
and not just 10 cents on the dollar.
CEW's offer was purely business in which one spends the least to make the
most.
Brian Christiansen
> Had Hawkeye & BJ been the ones to offer the exchange, they wouldn't have
> done it out of greed, but rather they'd have exchaged it dollar for dollar
> and not just 10 cents on the dollar.
> CEW's offer was purely business in which one spends the least to make the
> most.
>
>
If hawkeye's motives are so "pure," why did he take only the money he
needed to repay the MP. Why didn't he exchange all of it and give it
back to the village, even if he did not know who specifically who sold
how much to CEW, or perhaps donate it all to Sister Teresa's orphanage,
or even give it to "everyone."
Brian Christiansen
Eddie
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Hawkeye was responsible for the MP's money. Since it was stolen under his
watch, his first responsibility was to repay that money.
Brian Christiansen
> Hawkeye was responsible for the MP's money. Since it was stolen under his
> watch, his first responsibility was to repay that money.
>
>
But it is still "greed" in the sense that he considered his needs
(repaying the MP) before he considered the needs of the community who
had supposedly been "conned" (I still don't think they were, an offer
was made and accepted for the script) out of quite a bit of money.
Hawkeye obviously though this deal that winchester had made was somehow
"wrong," otherwise he would have simply exchanged to money for CEW,
perhaps after subtracting the 400 he owed the MP.
However, he obviously did not think it was "wrong enough" to exchange
the money and get all, or at least most (after subtracting 400 for the
MP. dtc.), of it back to the village that probably needed all the money
they could get very badly. He obviously thought that "punishing
Winchester" was more important than getting the money to where it was
needed, because that is what he did.
Brian Christiansen
Eddie
>But it is still "greed" in the sense that he considered his >needs
>(repaying the MP) before he considered the >needs of the community who had
>supposedly been >"conned" (I still don't think they were,
I agree. They weren't conned, but they were taken advantage of by CEW. As
for Hawkeye being greedy, I don't see it that way at all. Hawkeye saw an
opportunity to repay money he was soley responsible for. That opportunuty
was presented by the one person who would not suffer by losing $10.00. I
don't recall offhand, but did CEW get his original investment back?
> Hawkeye obviously though this deal that winchester >had made was somehow
> "wrong,"
It depends on your perspective. On one hand, before the old scrip was
invalid, it was worth $100 to a village that had a total of, well, $100.
Since these villagers were not what one could call, "well off," that was a
lot of money to them, and it was needed to live on. CEW neatly turned it
into $10.00 and *that's* greed.
> the money and get all, or at least most (after subtracting >400 for the
> MP. dtc.), of it back to the village that >probably needed all the money
> hey could get very >badly.
Since it was not unusual for villagers to get food and medical assistance
from the 4077th, plus any other help they could offer, it would seem Hawkeye
needed the money more than they did at that time. I'm sure the physical
threat of being put on his back by an MP helped Hawkeye make his decision.
>He obviously thought that "punishing Winchester" was more important than
>getting the money >to where it was needed, because that is what he did.
Hawkeye needed it more and afterwards, the original money that was stolen
was returned. Wasn't that given to Mulcahy?
Brian Christiansen
> "Brian Christiansen" <brian_ch...@hotmail.com> >
>
>> But it is still "greed" in the sense that he considered his >needs
>> (repaying the MP) before he considered the >needs of the community who had
>> supposedly been >"conned" (I still don't think they were,
>
> I agree. They weren't conned, but they were taken advantage of by CEW. As
> for Hawkeye being greedy, I don't see it that way at all. Hawkeye saw an
> opportunity to repay money he was soley responsible for. That opportunuty
> was presented by the one person who would not suffer by losing $10.00. I
> don't recall offhand, but did CEW get his original investment back?
Wasn't even close. CEW bought a huge bag of money, and Hawkeye only
bought back (at 10 cents on the dollar) a very small portion of that money).
Also. the offer was made to get all (or at least most) of the money back
to the village by the one person who could afford to lose $10 (or
whatever amount it was), but Hawkeye only took the money that he needed.
>> the money and get all, or at least most (after subtracting >400 for
the
>> MP. dtc.), of it back to the village that >probably needed all the money
>> hey could get very >badly.
>
> Since it was not unusual for villagers to get food and medical assistance
> from the 4077th, plus any other help they could offer, it would seem Hawkeye
> needed the money more than they did at that time. I'm sure the physical
> threat of being put on his back by an MP helped Hawkeye make his decision.
>
Perhaps, but those supplies were given to the locals by the army(?), the
4077th(?), or whoever, not personally bought and paid for by Hawkeye.
He also got his room, board, and medical care for free.
>> He obviously thought that "punishing Winchester" was more important than
>> getting the money >to where it was needed, because that is what he did.
>
> Hawkeye needed it more and afterwards, the original money that was stolen
> was returned. Wasn't that given to Mulcahy?
>
The 400 that was stolen was returned, so Hawkeye gave the 400 that he
got from winchester to the Father, so either the villagers or Winchester
donated it, depending on how you look at it, not Hawkeye.
Brian Christiansen
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"Brian Christiansen" <brian_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Eddie wrote:
>
> If hawkeye's motives are so "pure," why did he take only the money he
> needed to repay the MP. Why didn't he exchange all of it and give it back
> to the village, even if he did not know who specifically who sold how much
> to CEW, or perhaps donate it all to Sister Teresa's orphanage, or even
> give it to "everyone."
>
> Brian Christiansen
Because the money came from the Black Marketers, so it was tainted.
Visaman
Brian Christiansen
> Because the money came from the Black Marketers, so it was tainted.
>
Black Marketers? Who involved was black marketers? Perhaps CEW took
advantage of the villagers, but his transaction was not "black market."
Are you saying the villagers were black marketeers?
And why did hawkeye take some of the money with plans of giving it to
the MP? Why did he end up giving some of it to Father Mulcahy?
Brian Christiansen
Albert Giesbrecht
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> Albert Giesbrecht wrote:
>
>> Because the money came from the Black Marketers, so it was tainted.
>>
> Black Marketers? Who involved was black marketers? ?
>
> Brian Christiansen
I recognized some of the actors from other episodes where they portrayed
black marketers.
;-)
Visaman
Stormin Mormon
episode. I've likely mispelled his name, sorry about that.
I'm so useless with names.
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Eddie
Whatever.