Black Hole Sun
thinbluemime
Watch the shadows
http://lostdude.com/lostpics/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose.htm
You only need the thumbnails for this one. Stand back, look at the
thumbnail sequence
and....WATCH THE SHADOWS.....hahahahahahaha (evil maniacial laughter)
Just before Hurley begins to fill the grave with sand
Sawyer sprinkles the diamonds into the pit
Then we get the flashback scene where the dynamic duo
(Nikki & Paulo) Get spider bites
Continuing with covering the bodies with sand
Everyone walks away, leaving Huley and Sawyer to finish the burial
Now dammit... can't you see the problem with the shadows and the sun?
This back filling a pit is not a 12 hour job. What did Hurley and Sawyer
Do all day, play ping-pong?
LOL..."Guys, Where Are We!?"
-=Black Hole Sun=-
In my eyes
Indisposed
In disguise
As no one knows
Hides the face
Lies the snake
The sun
In my disgrace
Boiling heat
Summer stanch
'Neath the black
The sky looks dead
Call my name
Through the cream
And I'll hear you
Scream again
(Chorus)
Black hole sun
Won't you come
And wash away the rain
Black hole sun
Won't you come
Won't you come
Won't you come
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thinbluemime
wrote:
> "Expose'" Lost s03 e14
>
> Watch the shadows
> http://lostdude.com/lostpics/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose.htm
>
http://lostdude.com/lostflash/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose.htm
1 min 40 sec of burial scene MINUS the spider flashback to show burial
scene continuity.
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alooo
"thinbluemime" <thinbl...@tbn.com> wrote
>Watch the shadows
>http://lostdude.com/lostpics/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose/Sunrise.Sunset.Expose.htm
>You only need the thumbnails for this one. Stand back, look at the
>thumbnail sequence
>and....WATCH THE SHADOWS.....hahahahahahaha (evil maniacial laughter)
>This back filling a pit is not a 12 hour job. What did Hurley and Sawyer
>Do all day, play ping-pong?
Sometimes I think you need to slow down when you post because you have a
tendency to get excited and include a bunch of information in your posts
without making a clear point.
What I gather you meant is that when they start throwing sand on Nikki and
Paulo, it appears to be an afternoon sun (shadows go from the top of the
screen to the bottom) but when they finish it appears to be a morning sun
(shadows go from bottom to top). The producers probably figured it wasn't
worth the cost of pushing filming back 8 hours to satisfy the three people
who noticed that.
thinbluemime
> What I gather you meant is that when they start throwing sand on Nikki
> and
> Paulo, it appears to be an afternoon sun (shadows go from the top of the
> screen to the bottom) but when they finish it appears to be a morning sun
> (shadows go from bottom to top). The producers probably figured it wasn't
> worth the cost of pushing filming back 8 hours to satisfy the three
> people
> who noticed that.
This is the third time recently that the sun has either sat on the wrong
horizon, or moved quickly across the Lost sky.
(see earlier posts; "Little Miss Aint No Sunshine" for most recent)
TIME & and the movement of the Earth's sun are integrated so tightly in
the real world, that to alter one, is to alter the other.
Anyone that has ever done any photography will know, even on a point and
shoot level, that LIGHT is the essence of photography and film work.
The Lost crew live and die by the sunlight...so a production error of this
nature is not even conceivable, especially with the Lost fans dissecting
the episodes with a frame by frame type analysis.
This scene, and the others mentioned, are not production oversights or
errors, they are CLUES, to the nature of the Lost environment and the
predicament the Losties are in.
As I mentioned before at the blog, this WRONG Earth-Sun movement occurred
in the very first episode of Lost (The Pilot)
and continues into "Expose'" 'The Pilot-Revisited'
(related thread- the newspaper Paulo was reading...TIME and the SUN are
intimately intertwined)
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Kevin Reilly
>This scene, and the others mentioned, are not production oversights or
>errors, they are CLUES, to the nature of the Lost environment and the
>predicament the Losties are in.
If you're right (and with this show it's difficult to outright dismiss
ANYTHING) then the real issue I would have is not with any SF or fantasy
elements necessary for the whole 'random time' thing, but with the
Losties' complete lack of interest in, or comment on, the resultant
phenomena.
I know that credibility is already stretched thin with the whole general
lack of communication between the characters, but if you're right then
the fact that not one of them has come up and said, "You know, the
isolation and the mysterious monster and the restless natives and the
weird hatches and the glowing sky I can just about handle, but if that
sun doesn't stop whizzing around the sky like a demented searchlight
beam I think I'm going to go loopy," would be one disbelief suspension
too far.
I don't doubt for a minute that temporal non-linearity plays a huge part
in the structure of this show. From Desmond in London to Room 23 to LOST
TIME anagrams and beyond, the clues are there. I just find it REALLY
difficult to believe that between an experienced yachtsman, a high
school science teacher, an extremely well-read box factory alumni and a
member of a research vessel crew -- among others -- not one character
has ever talked about the sun moving around the sky MUCH faster than it
should.
This is most definitely not something anyone would keep to themselves,
assuming they'd noticed it. And suggesting that nobody has noticed it is
even more of a stretch.
LOST is filmed on a very tight schedule. Not all scenes can be shot
chronologically, or even in real time. There will be lighting issues
that can't be corrected with supplementary lighting or in post. In any
other show they wouldn't even be noticed. Not everything seen in LOST is
a clue, even though many of us would love it to be.
--
Kev
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such thing is please not to read notis." Sign in Tokyo hotel
thinbluemime
wrote:
> If you're right (and with this show it's difficult to outright dismiss
> ANYTHING) then the real issue I would have is not with any SF or fantasy
> elements necessary for the whole 'random time' thing, but with the
> Losties' complete lack of interest in, or comment on, the resultant
> phenomena.
> This is most definitely not something anyone would keep to themselves,
> assuming they'd noticed it. And suggesting that nobody has noticed it is
> even more of a stretch.
>
Now wait a minute. Think about the real earth to sun relationship. To some
degree:
1) Compass directions are determined
2) Time is determined
3) Navigation is possible
4) Celestial Bodies are identified
5) Human body cycles are regulated
Think back over the episodes, I won't delineate all the evidence in the
Lost episodes, but all these issues HAVE been talked about or noted by the
Losties.
If the Losties pointed out that the sun seems funky, then the fans would
say, "OH!, that maybe a clue".
If the sun is behaving in an unnatural way, common to earth for millinia,
what could prevent the Lost-a-ways from noticing it? What effect would an
abnormal day-night cycle have upon the Losties mental and reasoning
abilities? Would their sleep be affected? Could they have hallucinations?
Would fertility be altered or curtailed?
When living inside a box becomes natural to humans, thinking outside the
box becomes uncomfortable, thinking outside the box becomes unnatural.
Most Lost fans have not even observed the inconsistancies in the sun, why
should the Losties be any different?
BTW, Kevin, I appreciated your response, I am looking for Lost answers
also :)
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Kevin Reilly
>Most Lost fans have not even observed the inconsistancies in the sun,
>why should the Losties be any different?
Because the Losties' experiences of any inconsistencies aren't limited
to few-minutes-long scenes carefully framed in glorious anamorphic 16:9
and edited together into a non-linearly paced story played out over four
acts and a coda occasionally interrupted by folks trying to sell them
new automobiles, fast foods or pharmaceuticals.
If the sun crosses the sky from horizon to horizon in a couple of hours
on a TV show, viewers may not notice because they're being coerced by
the creators into concentrating on plot, or on surprise revelations, or
on the pretty close-up of the leading lady. Even if that show is LOST.
However if a bunch of people, for whatever reason, find themselves for
real in a place where one day the sun crosses the sky from horizon to
horizon in a couple of hours, and on other days does different weird
things, then they ARE going to notice.
--
Kev
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Women's magazine
thinbluemime
wrote:
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2007 thinbluemime wrote:
>
>> Most Lost fans have not even observed the inconsistancies in the sun,
>> why should the Losties be any different?
>
> Because the Losties' experiences of any inconsistencies aren't limited
> to few-minutes-long scenes carefully framed in glorious anamorphic 16:9
> and edited together into a non-linearly paced story played out over four
> acts and a coda occasionally interrupted by folks trying to sell them
> new automobiles, fast foods or pharmaceuticals.
>
LOL, THAT'S "The Box", I was referring to...
"Go Outside and Plant a Tree" - Lindelof
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Steven L.
Also, Lost only has a limited number of beaches and jungle locations on
which they can film scenes on location in Oahu. They play these in the
storyline of Lost Island as including the south beach (where the
Lostaways were), the northeast beach (where the tailees were), the
southeast jungle (where the Black Rock was), etc. But obviously those
may not correspond to the actual directions of beaches and jungles on
the island of Oahu.
Therefore, to get the sun angle right they would have to fix the shadows
and sunbeams on nearly every scene in post-production, which would be
frightfully costly. You might as well not bother and just shoot
everything in a giant sound stage where you can control ambient
conditions better.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
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Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.
kio...@aol.com
>
> You only need the thumbnails for this one. Stand back, look at the
> thumbnail sequence
> and....WATCH THE SHADOWS.....hahahahahahaha (evil maniacial laughter)
>
> Now dammit... can't you see the problem with the shadows and the sun?
> This back filling a pit is not a 12 hour job. What did Hurley and Sawyer
> Do all day, play ping-pong?
Could it be that the shadows were planned that way because written
into the script the Losties are
approaching the *winter Solstice* ~~~> meaning shorter days because
the sun is closer to the earth. This would affect the shadows.
I posted this before:
Equinox for 2004 was on ..SEPTEMPER 22, 2004 .. the day Oceanic 815
crashed
and the winter solstice for 2004 is on .....DECECEMBER 21, 2004 .....
90 days from day they crashed.
The dates are coincidental don't you think?
They've been on the Island ..80 days.. which makes their date Dec 11,
2004....which is fast approaching Dec 21 (the winter solstice) ..10
days away. In history this was always a significate date for past
civilizations and possibly the ones on lost island
Here's a chart through 2020
http://aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/EarthSeasons.html
I found this site also that may have a significance.
http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html
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gr8full2bhere
summer solstice?
<kio...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Being that they are supposedly south of the equator, wouldn't it be the
> summer solstice?
I had a problem with that too, but really the location of the lost
island and where they crashed
is still unknown.