Lost--Spores
Ken from Chicago
accomplished by nanobots, and yet the producers have explicitly precluded
nanobots as The Explanation.
However there is another.
SPORES.
Single-celled (tho not always), bio-engineer lifeforms on the cellular level
could replicate many of the features of nanabots. They could manipulate
matter on a microscopic level:
--They could form black clouds or join to form solid objects or organisms.
--They could invade someone's brain, when breathed in, perhaps tap in
memories stored biologically in one's brain.
--Moreover shared memories might even be transmitted from one to another,
from Eko to Locke or from Jin to Hurley--in their dreams.
--Alteration of someone's brain might unlike hidden latent psychic
abilities, the "dead zone" of the brain that lies, seemingly, dormant from
conscious use.
--Many organisms are sensitive to electromagnetism and can generate
electricity (e.g., electric eels, electric fish, people ... tho very weakly
... it is enough to affect radio and tv reception--as many of us who ever
owned tvs with "rabbit ears" can attest to). Transmission of EM signals
could simulate telepathy.
Spores could be behind all the "phenomena" on the island and off.
Plus there's a bonus feature: SPORES would require SIMPLER technology to
manipulate. Thus Dharma or Hanso could have been researching this kind of
biological and genetic research in the 1960s and 1970s.
-- Ken from Chicago
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"Ken from Chicago" <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> One of the common threads about LOST is that all the "phenomena" is
> accomplished by nanobots, and yet the producers have explicitly precluded
> nanobots as The Explanation.
>
> However there is another.
>
> SPORES.
>
> Single-celled (tho not always), bio-engineer lifeforms on the cellular
level
> could replicate many of the features of nanabots. They could manipulate
> matter on a microscopic level:
> --They could form black clouds or join to form solid objects or organisms.
> --They could invade someone's brain, when breathed in, perhaps tap in
> memories stored biologically in one's brain.
> --Moreover shared memories might even be transmitted from one to another,
> from Eko to Locke or from Jin to Hurley--in their dreams.
> --Alteration of someone's brain might unlike hidden latent psychic
> abilities, the "dead zone" of the brain that lies, seemingly, dormant from
> conscious use.
> --Many organisms are sensitive to electromagnetism and can generate
> electricity (e.g., electric eels, electric fish, people ... tho very
weakly
> ... it is enough to affect radio and tv reception--as many of us who ever
> owned tvs with "rabbit ears" can attest to). Transmission of EM signals
> could simulate telepathy.
>
> Spores could be behind all the "phenomena" on the island and off.
Spores could be behind all the "phenomena" on the this earth as well.
its sounding somewhat like "invasion of the body ..." not through aliens or
UFO's
Steven L.
> One of the common threads about LOST is that all the "phenomena" is
> accomplished by nanobots, and yet the producers have explicitly precluded
> nanobots as The Explanation.
>
> However there is another.
>
> SPORES.
EXCELLENT theory, and I could kick myself for not having thought of it
myself.
> Single-celled (tho not always), bio-engineer lifeforms on the cellular level
> could replicate many of the features of nanabots. They could manipulate
> matter on a microscopic level:
> --They could form black clouds or join to form solid objects or organisms.
That is true. And for those who may not be familiar with real-world
examples, here is the famous cellular slime mold: In one form, it's a
just a lot of separate little mold spores. In another form, under the
right conditions, those spores aggregate to form a multicellular
creature that can move under its own power.
http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/protista/slimemolds.html
We're all familiar with mold and mildew growing on bathroom walls,
shower curtains, etc. But to see a patch of mold moving under its own
power is really something.
--
Steven D. Litvintchouk
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him...@animail.net
I was thinking more that it sounded like Sheri Tepper's Hobbs Land gods
(they appear in Raising the Stones) which are a fungal life form that
binds sentient creatures together in a telepathic sorta-peace...and
also induces in them an evangelical desire to spread the fungus.
Someone told me they thought Tepper based this on a real fungus that
grows in Wisconsin and is known to the locals as "the humungous fungus
amongue us."
It's an interesting idea.
himiko
Ken from Chicago
"Steven L." <sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote in message
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I didn't think of spores until I saw this from one of the giants, Will
Wright, in video / computer games (making games that a massively popular
WITHOUT killing, fighting, racing, sports, but are simulations):
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/spore/media.html?sid=6150235&mode=gameplay&autoplay=6150235
-- Ken from Chicago
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Could be, BUT I don't think ABC on Prime Time would create that DEEP "stuff"
(as Carl Sagan use to say)
If it were say, the Sci_fi channel, then something along that line could be
a possibility.
you never know though.....
Ken from Chicago
THIEF! Clearly they stole FUTURAMA's brain slug!
-- Ken from Chicago
John Schilling
says...
>
>One of the common threads about LOST is that all the "phenomena" is
>accomplished by nanobots, and yet the producers have explicitly precluded
>nanobots as The Explanation.
>However there is another.
>SPORES.
Oh, of course. This explains everything.
>Single-celled (tho not always), bio-engineer lifeforms on the cellular level
>could replicate many of the features of nanabots. They could manipulate
>matter on a microscopic level:
>--They could form black clouds or join to form solid objects or organisms.
>--They could invade someone's brain, when breathed in, perhaps tap in
>memories stored biologically in one's brain.
>--Moreover shared memories might even be transmitted from one to another,
>from Eko to Locke or from Jin to Hurley--in their dreams.
>--Alteration of someone's brain might unlike hidden latent psychic
>abilities, the "dead zone" of the brain that lies, seemingly, dormant from
>conscious use.
>--Many organisms are sensitive to electromagnetism and can generate
>electricity (e.g., electric eels, electric fish, people ... tho very weakly
>... it is enough to affect radio and tv reception--as many of us who ever
>owned tvs with "rabbit ears" can attest to). Transmission of EM signals
>could simulate telepathy.
>Spores could be behind all the "phenomena" on the island and off.
Is there some bit of sarcasm here that I'm missing, some inside joke that
I don't get? Because I've seen several people respond to this post, to
all appearances taking it seriously.
If this is a serious proposal, then do you people have a clue as to
what a "SPORE" is?
A spore is a seed for a plant that hasn't invented sex yet. Or, in
some cases, has given up on sex for a generation. But, a seed. That's
it. It does "rearrange matter on a microscopic level", in the very
specific sense that it grows up to be a mushroom or something. They
do not join together to form clouds or other objects, invade people's
brains, meddle with memories, unleash latent psychic talents, facilitate
telepathy, or any other such nonsense. They're seeds. They sit around
and wait until they can grow up to be mushrooms, and that's *it*.
And if someone had suggested that SEEDS! were the answer for all of the
mysteries of _Lost_, the ridiculous nature of the idea would be immediately
apparent. But we've got a different buzzword to play with, means "seed"
but in a kind of obscure way, and suddenly people think it makes sense.
It doesn't make sense. If you think it does make sense, try to explain
it using "seed" instead of "spore", and see if it's the really the idea,
or just the buzzword.
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Captain Infinity
Yes but what about the spores that Spock breathed in, in "This Side of
the Space Seed of Paradise Syndrome", that caused him to act goofy and
hang upside down in trees? Ah-HA! So you see there is some precedent
in genre television that would allow for the use of spores to mess with
people's minds. Maybe the spores on LOST are making the people think
they see floating clouds of, um, whatever it is. What were we talking
about?
By the way..."a plant that hasn't invented sex yet"? What are you,
high? Plants don't have sex, you nut! I should know, I've got a
massive porno collection that catalogs every type of sex act ever
created, and there are no plants in there except for an occasional slice
of kiwi or maybe a strawberry or two, and those are FRUITS!
**
Captain Infinity
Ken from Chicago
"John Schilling" <schi...@spock.usc.edu> wrote in message
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A microscopic, sometimes uni-cellular organism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore
> A spore is a seed for a plant that hasn't invented sex yet. Or, in
> some cases, has given up on sex for a generation. But, a seed. That's
A spore is a MEANS of sexual reproduction--just like semen and eggs are
means of reproduction.
> it. It does "rearrange matter on a microscopic level", in the very
> specific sense that it grows up to be a mushroom or something. They
Don't some spores ("zoospores") move around by use of one or more flagellum
(whip-like "tails", ala sperm)?
Don't some spores ("aplanospores") have the ability to grow flagella?
Thus could not some forms of spores move microscopic matter by simply
bumping into it?
> do not join together to form clouds or other objects, invade people's
> brains, meddle with memories, unleash latent psychic talents, facilitate
> telepathy, or any other such nonsense. They're seeds. They sit around
> and wait until they can grow up to be mushrooms, and that's *it*.
That's where the bioengineering part comes in. If they already did that then
there would be no need for scientists to tinker with it.
Besides there actually is a difference between a spore and a seed. A spore
has very little food stored and needs better conditions to germinate,
however it can withstand harsher conditions before germinating and requires
less energy to start mitosis.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spore#Parlance
> And if someone had suggested that SEEDS! were the answer for all of the
> mysteries of _Lost_, the ridiculous nature of the idea would be
> immediately
> apparent. But we've got a different buzzword to play with, means "seed"
> but in a kind of obscure way, and suddenly people think it makes sense.
>
> It doesn't make sense. If you think it does make sense, try to explain
> it using "seed" instead of "spore", and see if it's the really the idea,
> or just the buzzword.
Microscopic, single-celled seeds, capable of movement using whiplike tails,
bioengineered to
--rearrange matter by pushing or using one or several of its tails to grab
it and pull it
--move in formation to form clouds
--can mimic others by grabbing bits of matter on a microscopic level so that
at a macroscopic level the cracks in the disguise are invisible
--can be inhaled by organisms and infect their brains, growing into a brain
fungus that affects their minds, lowers their will, or makes them
susceptible to hypnotic suggestion
--can infest organisms externally by growing into a fungus or mold that acts
as an exoskeleton to increase their strength and endurance, say to be able
to "handle" two struggling people, say a drug-addicted rocker and a pregnant
mom, all by himself.
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>
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But if the term "spore" is dragging you down, what term would YOU give to
--a unicellular organism
--capable of movement with flagella,
--that can survive harsh environments without food,
--to grow, haploidally aka monoploidally (with one copy of a set of
chromosomes, like in fungi and plants), diploidally (with two copies of each
set of chromosomes, like humans), haplodiploidally (sometimes with one set
and sometimes with two sets of chromosomes, like in insects) to a
multicellular stage?
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. "You keep saying that word, but I don't think it means what you think
it means."--THE PRINCESS BRIDE.
ANIM8Rfsk
bran...@kittylittercomcast.net wrote on 5/13/06 9:55 PM:
> Captain Infinity <Infi...@captaininfinity.us> wrote in rec.arts.tv:
> Seeing the subject line made me think of that weird X-Files ep about
> the fungus that was holding them captive.
Fungus? I don't even KNOW Gus!
ANIM8Rfsk
Infi...@captaininfinity.us wrote on 5/13/06 9:26 PM:
ha!
that caused him to act goofy and
> hang upside down in trees? Ah-HA! So you see there is some precedent
> in genre television
unless you buy that LOST isn't genre.
that would allow for the use of spores to mess with
> people's minds. Maybe the spores on LOST are making the people think
> they see floating clouds of, um, whatever it is. What were we talking
> about?
>
> By the way..."a plant that hasn't invented sex yet"? What are you,
> high? Plants don't have sex, you nut!
Oh? Why do you THINK Triffids were chasing hot women?
I should know, I've got a
> massive porno collection that catalogs every type of sex act ever
> created, and there are no plants in there except for an occasional slice
> of kiwi or maybe a strawberry or two, and those are FRUITS!
We were helping a friend of mine pack and came upon his stash of fruit porn,
which explained why he kept turning down all those hot women, who of course
ended up being chased by Triffids.
Ken from Chicago
"ANIM8Rfsk" <ANIM...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> in article 3kbd6290thaie40dr...@4ax.com, Captain Infinity at
> Infi...@captaininfinity.us wrote on 5/13/06 9:26 PM:
>
>> Once Upon A Time John Schilling wrote:
<snip>
> that would allow for the use of spores to mess with
>> people's minds. Maybe the spores on LOST are making the people think
>> they see floating clouds of, um, whatever it is. What were we talking
>> about?
>>
>> By the way..."a plant that hasn't invented sex yet"? What are you,
>> high? Plants don't have sex, you nut!
>
> Oh? Why do you THINK Triffids were chasing hot women?
>
> I should know, I've got a
>> massive porno collection that catalogs every type of sex act ever
>> created, and there are no plants in there except for an occasional slice
>> of kiwi or maybe a strawberry or two, and those are FRUITS!
>
> We were helping a friend of mine pack and came upon his stash of fruit
> porn,
You perverts!
> which explained why he kept turning down all those hot women, who of
> course
> ended up being chased by Triffids.
>
> http://www.kymlicka.ca/stephen/triffid.jpg
-- Ken from Chicago (who's opposed to extramarital sex between fruits--and
even between vegetables--otherwise, what would we tell the seedlings?)
Melroseman
> I was thinking more that it sounded like Sheri Tepper's Hobbs Land gods
> (they appear in Raising the Stones) which are a fungal life form that
> binds sentient creatures together in a telepathic sorta-peace...and
> also induces in them an evangelical desire to spread the fungus.
> Someone told me they thought Tepper based this on a real fungus that
> grows in Wisconsin and is known to the locals as "the humungous fungus
> amongue us."
>
> It's an interesting idea.
LOL @ "the humungous fungus amongue us."
This is indeed an interesting idea. Perhaps the sickness causes these
Losties' braincells to fly out their ears and into their neighbours'. ;)
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"Melroseman" <melro...@yahooNOSPAM.com> wrote in message
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Brain slug.
http://www.gotfuturama.com/Information/Encyc-85-Brain_Slugs/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_planets_in_Futurama
-- Ken from Chicago
him...@animail.net
Melroseman wrote:
> LOL @ "the humungous fungus amongue us."
Wisconsin humor.
>
> This is indeed an interesting idea. Perhaps the sickness causes these
> Losties' braincells to fly out their ears and into their neighbours'. ;)
Fly out, yes. But I see no sign that the loss is being picked up by
anyone else.
himiko