Some questions..
KristinaDiane82
understand if they originally had all died in the plane crash and the
island was their "hell" so to speak, or if the island was
real and they all died later.
Also, where was Michael, Walt, and Vincent at the end when everyone
met at the church. And maybe I missed this but since I'm here
thinking about it, why were their polar bears on the island?
If anyone can shed some light for me :) Thanks!
Fred Ellis
No, they didn't die in the plane crash. The experiences that they had
on the island really happen to them. "What happened, happened." The
season six 'sideways story' was an epilogue that occurs after Jack dies
in the bamboo grove toward the end in the last episode. It was a 'plane
of existence' or a place where someone's soul, spirit or what ever you
what to call it goes to after they die but before they 'move on' to
'heaven'. It was a place where Jack and his friends, after they all
died, could meet, come to terms with what happen to them on the island
and share their friendship before they 'moved on'.
As to why Michael, Walt and Vincent weren't present at the church I
guess only the producers of the show can answer that one.
Fred Ellis
--
"Who do you serve.... And who do you trust?"
(To e-mail me, remove the X from my address)
tenworld
(KristinaDiane82) wrote:
> Can someone please explain to me the ending of Lost?, why were their polar bears on the island?
>
originally because Walt had a comic book with a polar bear (refer to
movie Forbidden Planet), and then because Dharma was experiementing
with genetically altering cold weather animals to live in a global
warmed earth. But then LOST became a show "about the characters" so
how one wound up in the future Saharan desert became on of the
mysteries.
> If anyone can shed some light for me :) Thanks!
if you go to that secret place on the island the Light will shine on
you, but dont ask what the source of the Light is.
Bob
> On Jun 1, 4:14 am, kristinadi...@yahoo-dot-com.no-spam.invalid(KristinaDiane82) wrote:
> > Can someone please explain to me the ending of Lost?, why were their polar bears on the island?
>
> originally because Walt had a comic book with a polar bear (refer to
> movie Forbidden Planet), and then because Dharma was experiementing
> with genetically altering cold weather animals to live in a global
> warmed earth. But then LOST became a show "about the characters" so
> how one wound up in the future Saharan desert became on of the
> mysteries.
I think they were trying to play off of "12 Monkeys".
Suzie-Q
Fred Ellis <fke...@sticx.net> wrote:
Michael wasn't there because is soul was trapped on the
island.
Let's assume (or pretend) that Walt took over after Hurley and
is now in charge of the island, so he's still alive. (Remember
Hurley told him they had a special job for him?)
As for Vincent, maybe the powers that be don't believe that
dogs go to heaven.
8^)~~~~~~ Sue (remove x to email)
~~~~~~~~~
Fred Ellis
First off let me correct a spelling error. I meant to use the word
'plain' not 'plane', as in 'plain of existence'.
Sue, you're right that Michael is trapped on the island for his 'crimes'.
As for Walt, the 'real world' reason he didn't appear at the church is
the actor that portrays him was by then a teenager and too old to play
the part of Walt as a young boy. But I like the idea you have that Walt
took over as 'guardian of the island'.
As for Vincent, maybe your right, that dogs just go to their 'own heaven'.
OscartheGrouch
You had it right. Plane of existence is correct. Plain of existence
doesn't make sense. Go back to math, there are points, there are lines,
there are planes. Not airplanes but 2 dimensional planes that stretch
out infinitely.
Robert Thomason
>>
>> First off let me correct a spelling error. I meant to use the word
>> 'plain' not 'plane', as in 'plain of existence'.
>>
>> Sue, you're right that Michael is trapped on the island for his 'crimes'.
>>
>> As for Walt, the 'real world' reason he didn't appear at the church is
>> the actor that portrays him was by then a teenager and too old to play
>> the part of Walt as a young boy. But I like the idea you have that Walt
>> took over as 'guardian of the island'.
>>
>> As for Vincent, maybe your right, that dogs just go to their 'own
>> heaven'.
>>
>>
>> Fred Ellis
>
> You had it right. Plane of existence is correct. Plain of existence
> doesn't make sense. Go back to math, there are points, there are lines,
> there are planes. Not airplanes but 2 dimensional planes that stretch
> out infinitely.
>
tenworld
>
"plane of existence" actually makes sense since from the first scene
to the last we did not know if the (air)plane existed or even crashed
on the island.
plain might be appropriate too for how an excellent show was turned
into a plain piece of crap by the ending.
Jim G.
> The
> season six 'sideways story' was an epilogue that occurs after Jack dies
> in the bamboo grove toward the end in the last episode.
No, no, no. You seem to be completely ignoring or misinterpreting all of
the "letting go" and "when you're ready" references throughout the final
season in the altverse. Even as late as his arrival at the chapel with
altKate, she told him that she'd be waiting for him inside--waiting for
him to come in and join her when he was "ready."
To put it another way, if you're right and Jack was already dead when
his friends in the altverse were taking turns telling him to "let go,"
then what, exactly, were they telling him to let go *of*, if not life as
we know it? And what was he supposed to be getting ready *for*, if not
death?
Furthermore, since the entirety of the altverse--every last second of
it--was shown to us *before* Jack closed his eyes for that final time,
why would you assume that it all took place *after* he died? And since
his final acceptance and "letting go" allowed him to close his eyes for
that final time, why would you assume that it was all about something
*other than* his own imminent death?
I'm directing these questions at you, but anyone who agrees with you on
the whole "the altverse takes place after Jack dies" bit should feel
free to explain his or her interpretation here.
--
Jim G.
Waukesha, WI
Bob
> Furthermore, since the entirety of the altverse--every last second of
> it--was shown to us *before* Jack closed his eyes for that final time,
> why would you assume that it all took place *after* he died? And since
> his final acceptance and "letting go" allowed him to close his eyes for
> that final time, why would you assume that it was all about something
> *other than* his own imminent death?
I wouldn't assume it, but wouldn't necessarily take it the time-
literal way either. "Lost" was very free when it came to mixing the
order of present'n. They even had that one episode of scenes with Sun
& Jin apparently to show us that they could interleave scenes from
different times and mislead viewers to think they were
contemporaneous.
Bobbo in the Bronxo
Bill Taylor
> originally because Walt had a comic book with a polar bear (refer to
> movie Forbidden Planet),
Thank Bog someone else has latched onto this! I've been pushing it
for years. My thought was that the hatch was planned to contain some
sort of meteor-borne Kryptonite that made people's thoughts come true,
Forbidden-Planet style. It had been sealed deep underground to
prevent mankind destroying itself by using it too freely.
Because Walt was so psychically active (the crashed bird) he got
to activate it just by being slightly nearby.
But after the huge success of series one, they abandoned that
2-series-at-most plot, and came up with the whole Dharma nonsense.
Anyway; that's my story and I'm sticking to it!
> if you go to that secret place on the island the Light will shine on
> you, but dont ask what the source of the Light is.
The source of the light is up Lindelof's backside!
-- Violet-light Bill
Jim G.
> On Jun 2, 4:09 pm, "Jim G." <jimgy...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> > Furthermore, since the entirety of the altverse--every last second of
> > it--was shown to us *before* Jack closed his eyes for that final time,
> > why would you assume that it all took place *after* he died? And since
> > his final acceptance and "letting go" allowed him to close his eyes for
> > that final time, why would you assume that it was all about something
> > *other than* his own imminent death?
>
> I wouldn't assume it, but wouldn't necessarily take it the time-
> literal way either. "Lost" was very free when it came to mixing the
> order of present'n.
We also have volumes of comments from Darlton in which they told us that
Jack was the focal point, and that the final season would be largely
about Jack's path.
> They even had that one episode of scenes with Sun
> & Jin apparently to show us that they could interleave scenes from
> different times and mislead viewers to think they were
> contemporaneous.
Which was the only time that they did it, and which is why it worked so
successfully in that one instance.
Darren Delgado
>
> > The
> > season six 'sideways story' was an epilogue that occurs after Jack dies
> > in the bamboo grove toward the end in the last episode.
>
> No, no, no. You seem to be completely ignoring or misinterpreting all of
> the "letting go" and "when you're ready" references throughout the final
> season in the altverse. Even as late as his arrival at the chapel with
> altKate, she told him that she'd be waiting for him inside--waiting for
> him to come in and join her when he was "ready."
>
> To put it another way, if you're right and Jack was already dead when
> his friends in the altverse were taking turns telling him to "let go,"
> then what, exactly, were they telling him to let go *of*, if not life as
> we know it? And what was he supposed to be getting ready *for*, if not
> death?
>
> Furthermore, since the entirety of the altverse--every last second of
> it--was shown to us *before* Jack closed his eyes for that final time,
> why would you assume that it all took place *after* he died? And since
> his final acceptance and "letting go" allowed him to close his eyes for
> that final time, why would you assume that it was all about something
> *other than* his own imminent death?
To let go of the charade that was the "sideways". He died, he went to
the "sideways", like everyone else, and they all eventually woke up.
But he took the longest to accept it, for whatever reason. Maybe
because he was the slowest to accept the supernatural in his actual
life, too.
I think the show made it pretty clear that the "sideways" takes place
after each person died.
Jim G.
(PDT):
I couldn't disagree more. The way it all played out and the way that it
culminated in Jack closing his eyes for the last time immediately
*after* "letting go" and joining his friends in the chapel told me all
that I needed to know about the progression.
Bob
> culminated in Jack closing his eyes for the last time immediately
> *after* "letting go" and joining his friends in the chapel told me all
> that I needed to know about the progression.
> --
> Jim G.
If you're going to go by what things took place "immediately after"
other things IN THEIR ORDER OF PRESENT'N ON "LOST", that'd be a funny
chronology as applied to the entire show. That's like the interpret'n
some viewers were giving to the flashbacks -- that they were taking
place in the mind of particular characters at the times our frame cut
away from and back to those characters. Some audience members were
using that logic to infer that certain characters had to have been
alive at certain times to experience those flashbacks.
Bobbo in the Bronxo
Jim G.
>> The way it all played out and the way that it
>> culminated in Jack closing his eyes for the last time immediately
>> *after* "letting go" and joining his friends in the chapel told me all
>> that I needed to know about the progression.
>> --
>> Jim G.
>> Waukesha, WI- Hide quoted text -
>
> If you're going to go by what things took place "immediately after"
> other things IN THEIR ORDER OF PRESENT'N ON "LOST", that'd be a funny
> chronology as applied to the entire show.
It was emphasized again and again by the producers that the final
season's "flash-sideways" were going to be fundamentally different from
earlier flashbacks and -forwards. As such, you're wanting to compare
apples and oranges here.
> That's like the interpret'n
> some viewers were giving to the flashbacks -- that they were taking
> place in the mind of particular characters at the times our frame cut
> away from and back to those characters. Some audience members were
> using that logic to infer that certain characters had to have been
> alive at certain times to experience those flashbacks.
And they were wrong.
Darren Delgado
They had characters directly tell us that everyone went to the
afterlife *after they died*. Jack died passed out in the jungle, then
went to the afterlife.
The eye-closing thing was meant as a side-by-side metaphor for the
Island scenes. He "let go" in the Sideways and got to go to heaven;
and he "let go" in the real world and finally figured out what his
destiny was.
It was intended as two thematically intertwined stories; not two
chronological events.