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Bill Taylor

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Jul 29, 2012, 7:13:22 AM7/29/12
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...that someone mocked the last series of Lost again?
Especially the ending?

But then I guess that's a bit like stealing old ladies' handbags...

-- bill

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Aug 1, 2012, 7:10:57 PM8/1/12
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I'm still trying to figure anything the clues from "Tales of Terror and Mystery" could be pointing to, other than a Big Mouth solution as per "The Lost Special". There seems no other way to resolve it, and they were continuing to point that way in the final series. I just hope we don't have to wait until 2016.

Still seems to me "The Lost Special" is the key, and that the allusions to other stories in this Doyle collection were a way of saying that if you found them, you knew you were on the right track, heh. At least it explains what Kate meant when she told Aaron that if Mr. Choo-Choo went in that tunnel, he'd never come out, and why they featured the cover of Mystery Tales #40 among the items presented to the supposed young John Locke.

So the basic plot of "Lost" is that someone had a BIG HONKIN' SECRET, and that an intricate plot was devised to make that person disappear without inviting investig'n. So a substitute was put in that person's place, but to do the switch, that person had to temporarily be made to disappear by "accident", and then to make an amazing "reappearance" -- and to make it look good, several others of the disappeared had to be made to "reappear" as well. Along the way, those responsible for this hocus-pocus experimented with the alternative method of rewriting people's memories electromagnetically rather than putting doubles in their place.

Bobbo in the Bronxo

Jim G.

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Aug 3, 2012, 3:47:47 PM8/3/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:10:57 -0700
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> So the basic plot of "Lost" is that someone had a BIG HONKIN' SECRET,

No, the basic plot of LOST was that a group of people had challenges and
needed a group hug in an it-takes-a-village sort of way so that they
could then meet up in a chapel, sing "Kumbaya" and walk into the light.

THE END

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI
"You will create an evil of your own making." -- Knights Templar Grandmaster Data

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Aug 3, 2012, 11:04:32 PM8/3/12
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On Friday, August 3, 2012 3:47:47 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:

> rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:10:57 -0700
>
> (PDT):
>
> > So the basic plot of "Lost" is that someone had a BIG HONKIN' SECRET,
>
>
>
> No, the basic plot of LOST was that a group of people had challenges and
> needed a group hug in an it-takes-a-village sort of way so that they
> could then meet up in a chapel, sing "Kumbaya" and walk into the light.
>
> THE END
> --
Who would make a TV show that bad? Let alone air it?

Did you ever notice that Christian told this guy the things that happened to him on the island were real, but never told him that anything that happened to him BEFORE that was real? Such an omission would be appropriate if, as we were told, they're not the survivors. They're NOT the survivors. THEY'RE NOT THE SURVIVORS. They thought they were.

Bobbo in the Bronxo

Jim G.

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Aug 7, 2012, 5:01:45 PM8/7/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Fri, 3 Aug 2012 20:04:32 -0700
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> On Friday, August 3, 2012 3:47:47 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
>
> > rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Wed, 1 Aug 2012 16:10:57 -0700
> >
> > (PDT):
> >
> > > So the basic plot of "Lost" is that someone had a BIG HONKIN' SECRET,
> >
> >
> >
> > No, the basic plot of LOST was that a group of people had challenges and
> > needed a group hug in an it-takes-a-village sort of way so that they
> > could then meet up in a chapel, sing "Kumbaya" and walk into the light.
> >
> > THE END
> >
> Who would make a TV show that bad? Let alone air it?

Are you new here? Welcome to alt.tv.lost! Things are pretty quiet around
here now that the show has ended, but you're welcome to stay for as long
as you like.

doc...@gmail.com

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Aug 7, 2012, 10:24:18 PM8/7/12
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On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:01:45 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:

> > > No, the basic plot of LOST was that a group of people had challenges and
> > > needed a group hug in an it-takes-a-village sort of way so that they
> > > could then meet up in a chapel, sing "Kumbaya" and walk into the light.
>
> > > THE END
>
> > Who would make a TV show that bad? Let alone air it?
>
> Are you new here? Welcome to alt.tv.lost! Things are pretty quiet around
> here now that the show has ended, but you're welcome to stay for as long
> as you like.

Lost your sense of irony, Jim?

What I'm saying is that an apparent blunder as bad as the ostensible conclusion of "Lost" points to something else. I'm confident now that this was deliberate.

The funny thing is that when I bring up "Lost" to new acquaintances, they say, approximately, "Oh, yeah, the show with that dumb ending where it turned out they were all dead." This was the interpret'n which was explicitly disclaimed by the makers of the show -- and yet, in a way, I now think it was correct. Not correct in the way the people who say it think, however. What I think is that there was a flight 815, but that those on board it did die in it, and that the people we saw on the island were their doubles, very much alive. Some of those doubles had been subjected to mind control so that they actually thought they were survivors of a crash. That's what the Faraday experiments were about; meanwhile others were working on deprogramming (or some competing technology) as shown in Room 23.

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tenworld

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Aug 8, 2012, 7:19:08 PM8/8/12
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On Aug 7, 7:24 pm, "robg...@bestweb.net" <docs...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> What I'm saying is that an apparent blunder as bad as the ostensible conclusion of "Lost" points to something else.  I'm confident now that this was deliberate.
>
> The funny thing is that when I bring up "Lost" to new acquaintances, they say, approximately, "Oh, yeah, the show with that dumb ending where it turned out they were all dead."  This was the interpret'n which was explicitly disclaimed by the makers of the show -- and yet, in a way, I now think it was correct.  Not correct in the way the people who say it think, however.  What I think is that there was a flight 815, but that those on board it did die in it, and that the people we saw on the island were their doubles, very much alive.  Some of those doubles had been subjected to mind control so that they actually thought they were survivors of a crash.  That's what the Faraday experiments were about; meanwhile others were working on deprogramming (or some competing technology) as shown in Room 23.
>
so who were the people in the chapel, the dead people or the doubles?
And what was the point of brainwashing them to think they survived? To
prove that the Faraday technique worked? But then there should have
been some scary scene at the end where we see the technique about to
be used on congress or the miltary or somewhere. Now that would have
been an ending to write home about.

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Aug 8, 2012, 10:14:13 PM8/8/12
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On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 7:19:08 PM UTC-4, tenworld wrote:

> so who were the people in the chapel, the dead people or the doubles?

Doubles. The dead people didn't neeed talking to.

> And what was the point of brainwashing them to think they survived? To
> prove that the Faraday technique worked?

No, it was all about keeping a secret. Kill the person who knows, substitute a double who doesn't.

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Jim G.

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Aug 9, 2012, 3:21:29 PM8/9/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Tue, 7 Aug 2012 19:24:18 -0700
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> On Tuesday, August 7, 2012 5:01:45 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
>
> > > > No, the basic plot of LOST was that a group of people had challenges and
> > > > needed a group hug in an it-takes-a-village sort of way so that they
> > > > could then meet up in a chapel, sing "Kumbaya" and walk into the light.
> >
> > > > THE END
> >
> > > Who would make a TV show that bad? Let alone air it?
> >
> > Are you new here? Welcome to alt.tv.lost! Things are pretty quiet around
> > here now that the show has ended, but you're welcome to stay for as long
> > as you like.
>
> Lost your sense of irony, Jim?

Not at all.

> What I'm saying is that an apparent blunder as bad as the ostensible conclusion of "Lost" points to something else.

Yes. Bad writing by a bunch of liars.

> I'm confident now that this was deliberate.

Well, the lying was certainly deliberate, but I'm not sure if any of
them *asked* to be given little actual talent.

> The funny thing is that when I bring up "Lost" to new acquaintances, they say, approximately, "Oh, yeah, the show with that dumb ending where it turned out they were all dead." This was the interpret'n which was explicitly disclaimed by the makers of the show -- and yet, in a way, I now think it was correct. Not correct in the way the people who say it think, however. What I think is that there was a flight 815, but that those on board it did die in it, and that the people we saw on the island were their doubles, very much alive.

Of course you think that. And of course you're wrong. Again. Still.
Whatever. :)

> Some of those doubles had been subjected to mind control so that they actually thought they were survivors of a crash. That's what the Faraday experiments were about; meanwhile others were working on deprogramming (or some competing technology) as shown in Room 23.

Look, I'll admit that I'd take your interpretation over what the writers
intended, but your insistence on insisting (heh) that the writers
essentially didn't know what they were talking about is what has put you
in "batshit crazy" territory on a regular basis in the past.

doc...@gmail.com

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Aug 10, 2012, 12:53:27 AM8/10/12
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> Look, I'll admit that I'd take your interpretation over what the writers
> intended, but your insistence on insisting (heh) that the writers
> essentially didn't know what they were talking about is what has put you
> in "batshit crazy" territory on a regular basis in the past.
> --
> Jim G. | Waukesha, WI

If it wasn't what they intended, then why, from the beginning, did they have the ostensible plane crash occur on Sept. 22, and to flight 815? It's inconceivable that so many cx to "Tales of Terror and Mystery" and especially "The Lost Special", including its historic antecedent, would be there unintentionally.

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Jim G.

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Aug 10, 2012, 3:35:12 PM8/10/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Wed, 8 Aug 2012 19:14:13 -0700
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You're nothing if not consistent. I'll grant you that much. :)

Jim G.

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Aug 11, 2012, 2:49:50 PM8/11/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:53:27 -0700
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Because they intended the whole thing to be limbo from the very start
and didn't realize that their viewers weren't complete morons. So once
their oh-so-original-and-clever plans were dashed, they punted. And
shanked it big time.

--
Jim G. | Waukesha, WI

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Aug 12, 2012, 2:21:07 AM8/12/12
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On Saturday, August 11, 2012 2:49:50 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
> rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Thu, 9 Aug 2012 21:53:27 -0700
>
> (PDT):
>
> > > Look, I'll admit that I'd take your interpretation over what the writers
> > > intended, but your insistence on insisting (heh) that the writers
> > > essentially didn't know what they were talking about is what has put you
> > > in "batshit crazy" territory on a regular basis in the past.
> > > --
>
> > If it wasn't what they intended, then why, from the beginning, did they have the ostensible plane crash occur on Sept. 22, and to flight 815? It's inconceivable that so many cx to "Tales of Terror and Mystery" and especially "The Lost Special", including its historic antecedent, would be there unintentionally.
>
> Because they intended the whole thing to be limbo from the very start
> and didn't realize that their viewers weren't complete morons. So once
> their oh-so-original-and-clever plans were dashed, they punted. And
> shanked it big time.
> --
How do the A.C. Doyle references point to limbo? Why did they say they picked the date 9/22 to mean something, when it would seem no date particularly has to do with limbo? Why did they perseverate, season after season, on the theme of substitution and/or usurpation, which doesn't have anything to do with limbo?

Bobbo in the Bronxo

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Aug 12, 2012, 2:59:34 PM8/12/12
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If you think I'm straining to see resemblances, here's one that's unmistakable: The blast door said, "Stated goal, repatriation, accelerated de-territorialization of Ursus maritimus through gene therapy and extreme climate change." One of the Tales of Terror said, "It seems that the acclimatization of foreign creatures was one of his hobbies...." In Doyle's story it was a large and deadly Brazilian cat with black fur from a tropical climate, while on "Lost" it was large and deadly polar bears with white fur from a polar climate. If that wasn't the makers of "Lost" telling us that we're looking in the right place if we find that Doyle collection, what was their purpose?

In each case, the animal was let loose on a character who wound up surviving the encounter. Since in "The Brazilian Cat" it was an attempt by an heir to kill a competing heir and make it look like an accident, I'd expect the motiv'n on "Lost" was similar. In "The Brazilian Cat", we find out at the end that it was the culmination of a project that involved the acquisition of a large location and a bunch of exotic animals, all ostensibly for another purpose over a long period of time, but all to set up this particular "accident" at a crucial time, and that's basically how I've always understood the plot of "Lost", i.e. that it was a very involved and long term setup made to look like something else entirely in the service of an attempted (probably successful) usurpation of some sort -- a big house grift.

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Jim G.

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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Sun, 12 Aug 2012 11:59:34
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> If you think I'm straining to see resemblances, here's one that's unmistakable: The blast door said, "Stated goal, repatriation, accelerated de-territorialization of Ursus maritimus through gene therapy and extreme climate change." One of the Tales of Terror said, "It seems that the acclimatization of foreign creatures was one of his hobbies...." In Doyle's story it was a large and deadly Brazilian cat with black fur from a tropical climate, while on "Lost" it was large and deadly polar bears with white fur from a polar climate. If that wasn't the makers of "Lost" telling us that we're looking in the right place if we find that Doyle collection, what was their purpose?

Seriously? You still don't get it? Those were all just Wouldn't It Be
Cool? moments. None of them mattered in the end. It was just crap thrown
against the wall that ultimately had no meaning or relevance, because
the writers and producers didn't put a tenth of the effort into their
own creation as the fans did.

> In each case, the animal was let loose on a character who wound up surviving the encounter. Since in "The Brazilian Cat" it was an attempt by an heir to kill a competing heir and make it look like an accident, I'd expect the motiv'n on "Lost" was similar. In "The Brazilian Cat", we find out at the end that it was the culmination of a project that involved the acquisition of a large location and a bunch of exotic animals, all ostensibly for another purpose over a long period of time, but all to set up this particular "accident" at a crucial time, and that's basically how I've always understood the plot of "Lost", i.e. that it was a very involved and long term setup made to look like something else entirely in the service of an attempted (probably successful) usurpation of some sort -- a big house grift.

And you've always understood incorrectly. But like the person who is
convinced that we never really landed on the moon, you're proving to be
remarkably resistant to reality in this regard.

doc...@gmail.com

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Aug 14, 2012, 9:12:50 PM8/14/12
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On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 3:02:52 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:

> > If you think I'm straining to see resemblances, here's one that's unmistakable: The blast door said, "Stated goal, repatriation, accelerated de-territorialization of Ursus maritimus through gene therapy and extreme climate change." One of the Tales of Terror said, "It seems that the acclimatization of foreign creatures was one of his hobbies...." In Doyle's story it was a large and deadly Brazilian cat with black fur from a tropical climate, while on "Lost" it was large and deadly polar bears with white fur from a polar climate. If that wasn't the makers of "Lost" telling us that we're looking in the right place if we find that Doyle collection, what was their purpose?

> Seriously? You still don't get it? Those were all just Wouldn't It Be
> Cool? moments.

You mean as in, "Wouldn't it be cool to get some people in the audience, or maybe just one of my and my father's smart friends, to think the story is modeled after `The Lost Special', by giving them all these false clues?"

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Jim G.

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Aug 16, 2012, 2:01:48 PM8/16/12
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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Tue, 14 Aug 2012 18:12:50
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Yes, that's exactly the sort of thing that I'm talking about.

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Then at least it's fun figuring out what it wasn't about that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking it was about.

Jim G.

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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Thu, 16 Aug 2012 16:41:37
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> Then at least it's fun figuring out what it wasn't about that we were supposed to be fooled into thinking it was about.

As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."

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Aug 19, 2012, 6:29:03 PM8/19/12
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On Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:59:30 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:

> As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
> nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."
> --
No, I think it WAS about x, but that they decided to annul it. Like if "The Thin Man" had ended by Nick saying, "Now that I'm feeling better, I've decided to forget about this whole thing." And then the young lady who brought the matter to his att'n got eaten by a wolf.

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Bill Taylor

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On Aug 20, 10:29 am, "robg...@bestweb.net" <docs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
> > nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."
>
> No, I think it WAS about x, but that they decided to annul it.

Yes, but you fellows keep forgetting what x really was.
I told you before.

They moved season 1 toward a "Forbidden Planet" scenario.
This is so obvious that I can't see why you fellows are objecting.

-- Brainstorming Bill

Jim G.

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Aug 21, 2012, 3:24:35 PM8/21/12
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Bill Taylor sent the following on Sun, 19 Aug 2012 21:23:47 -0700 (PDT):
As I just pointed out to Rob and as you point out here, we're talking
about the *first season* here. The same arguments and beliefs about
season one simply can't be applied to the rest of the series.

Jim G.

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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:29:03
-0700 (PDT):
> On Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:59:30 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
>
> > As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
> > nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."
> > --
> No, I think it WAS about x, but that they decided to annul it.

And you're right. But that annulment took place in the *first season*,
so that doesn't explain or justify anything that took place in the
subsequent five.

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On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:24:35 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:

> rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:29:03
>
> -0700 (PDT):
>
> > On Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:59:30 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
>
> > > nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."
>
> > > --
>
> > No, I think it WAS about x, but that they decided to annul it.
>
>
>
> And you're right. But that annulment took place in the *first season*,
>
> so that doesn't explain or justify anything that took place in the
>
> subsequent five.
>
>
>
> --
If the annulment took place then, it was a very dishonest one, because seasons 5 & 6 still alluded to "The Lost Special". See "Kate convinced me."

sdf

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on 66th Independence day gives a tribute to the Soldiers of India.

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Jim G.

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rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Tue, 21 Aug 2012 21:20:42
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> On Tuesday, August 21, 2012 3:24:35 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
>
> > rob...@bestweb.net sent the following on Sun, 19 Aug 2012 15:29:03
> >
> > -0700 (PDT):
> >
> > > On Saturday, August 18, 2012 2:59:30 PM UTC-4, Jim G. wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > > As long as "we" understand the difference between "it would have been
> >
> > > > nice if this had been about x" versus "it was about x."
> >
> > > > --
> >
> > > No, I think it WAS about x, but that they decided to annul it.
> >
> >
> >
> > And you're right. But that annulment took place in the *first season*,
> >
> > so that doesn't explain or justify anything that took place in the
> >
> > subsequent five.
> >
> >
> If the annulment took place then, it was a very dishonest one,

You're *finally* catching on.
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