Forbidden Planet
thinbluemime
have been discussed since very early on, in the Lost series. I got a copy
of the old movie last week and watched it, and some very eeire Lost
connections are there for sure.
If you can, grab a copy and watch. I may post some screen shots later, but
the slamb dunk smoke monster, the electrified fence, Egyption writings,
and a vast undergound machine are all there in the Forbidden Planet.
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Steven L.
Yep, I had thought about Forbidden Planet's electrified fence when I saw
"Par Avion" last night, but for some reason I forgot to post about it here.
Forbidden Planet had a mind-reading incorporeal monster too. That
monster wasn't stopped by the electrified fence--it went right through
it. I'll bet Lost's Smoke Monster isn't stopped by The Others's sonic
fence either. Lost's Smoke Monster can fly through the air and it ought
to just fly right over those pylons.
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episode (the whatever it was that knocked down trees-- maybe Smokey)
sounded like the the Monster/Creature from the Id from "Forbidden
Planet" .
thinbluemime
And remember in the Forbidden Planet scenes when the doctor and pilot are
realizing that the killings are being done by the doctor's Id? When they
look out at the pool area,as the monster approaches, trees are up rooted.
Maybe the monster sounded familiar to Rose, because the monster is a
collective self conscious of the Losties. This might also explain why the
smoke monster could see into Eko's mind. Maybe it wasn't reading his mind,
maybe it was his mind's Id.
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OMFG!!! I just finished watching Forbidden Planet, you inspired me to rent
it, and I am speechless. I feel like I have just seen the ultimate spoiler
of Lost.
thinbluemime
> OMFG!!! I just finished watching Forbidden Planet, you inspired me to
> rent it, and I am speechless. I feel like I have just seen the ultimate
> spoiler of Lost.
LOL, it is frikkin eerie how close it appears to Lost, isnt it? At least
up to the present LOST time of s03 e 12 Par Avion.
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Digitalis
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:03:13 -0500, Digitalis <sw...@poison.net> wrote:
> OMFG!!! I just finished watching Forbidden Planet, you inspired me to
> rent it, and I am speechless. I feel like I have just seen the ultimate
> spoiler of Lost.
LOL, it is frikkin eerie how close it appears to Lost, isnt it? At least
up to the present LOST time of s03 e 12 Par Avion.
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There is no doubt *period* that the producers where heavily influenced by
this movie. I'm sure they changed things somewhat, but the elements are the
same.
Also, I kept waiting for Leslie Nielsen to do a funny. I just can't picture
him doing a serious movie after all the Airplane, etc. movies he's done.
*lol*
thinbluemime
> There is no doubt *period* that the producers where heavily influenced
> by this movie. I'm sure they changed things somewhat, but the elements
> are the same.
One more note, and I am sure this one is a coincidence. tdciago might
enjoy this connection too.
The star that portrayed Dr. Edward Morbius was
Walter Pidgeon
as in carrier pidgeon, LOL
details here if you are interested
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
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Steven L.
> "thinbluemime" <thinbl...@tbn.com> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:03:13 -0500, Digitalis <sw...@poison.net> wrote:
>
>> OMFG!!! I just finished watching Forbidden Planet, you inspired me to
>> rent it, and I am speechless. I feel like I have just seen the
>> ultimate spoiler of Lost.
>
> LOL, it is frikkin eerie how close it appears to Lost, isnt it? At least
> up to the present LOST time of s03 e 12 Par Avion.
In Forbidden Planet, the monster is fascinating because: It is *us*.
It's the manifestation of our own baser instincts--hate, jealousy, etc.
There is a very subtle implication (couldn't be said explicitly in the
1950's) that Dr. Morbius was actually jealous of Adams and Farman
hitting on his daughter Altaira, because Morbius actually had
subconscious *incestuous* feelings toward his own daughter. (Incestuous
feelings he couldn't admit to himself consciously.) That was the
"monstrous" thing that the Krell machine had unleashed from Morbius'
subconscious to kill Adams and Farman.
And, if you remember, we had a semi-incestuous relationship on Lost too:
Boone and Shannon. So there's enough "monstrous" stuff among our
Lostaways to keep our very own Smoke Monster pumped up and raring to go
for quite a while. :-)
tdciago
> One more note, and I am sure this one is a coincidence. tdciago might
> enjoy this connection too.
> The star that portrayed Dr. Edward Morbius was
> Walter Pidgeon
>
> as in carrier pidgeon, LOL
> details here if you are interestedhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
I would really like to see it, but I checked with my local video
stores and the library the last time we discussed the film, and they
don't have it. I started subscribing to TCM's program guide recently,
so I'll try to see if they have it scheduled any time soon.
thinbluemime
<sdli...@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
> There is a very subtle implication (couldn't be said explicitly in the
> 1950's) that Dr. Morbius was actually jealous of Adams and Farman
> hitting on his daughter Altaira, because Morbius actually had
> subconscious *incestuous* feelings toward his own daughter. (Incestuous
> feelings he couldn't admit to himself consciously.) That was the
> "monstrous" thing that the Krell machine had unleashed from Morbius'
> subconscious to kill Adams and Farman.
>
> And, if you remember, we had a semi-incestuous relationship on Lost too:
> Boone and Shannon. So there's enough "monstrous" stuff among our
> Lostaways to keep our very own Smoke Monster pumped up and raring to go
> for quite a while. :-)
Yes! Well said Steven.
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Phyllis Chamberlain
On Fri, 16 Mar 2007 20:35:45 -0500, Digitalis <sw...@poison.net> wrote:
> There is no doubt *period* that the producers where heavily influenced by
> this movie. I'm sure they changed things somewhat, but the elements are
> the same.
One more note, and I am sure this one is a coincidence. tdciago might
enjoy this connection too.
The star that portrayed Dr. Edward Morbius was
Walter Pidgeon
as in carrier pidgeon, LOL
details here if you are interested
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
I read every word of that Wikipedia entry on "Forbidden Planet." Thank you!
Incredible stuff. I'm sure this movie influenced the Lost
writers/producers, and I'm delighted to see that my intuition about
Shakespeare's "The Tempest" being the originating source confirmed.
However, knowing this frame takes nothing away from the cleverness and
originality of the writers in creating "lost souls" and working the
characters' redemption into the story of a mysterious island. Very rich
stuff.
Phyllis Chamberlain
thinbluemime
Argghh! I think you will like it tdciago. 1956 wasnt that long ago, was it?
Remember when we early on discussed Joseph Campbell? It took me nearly 6
months to get the "Power of Myth" DVD series from my local library.
I might youtube a couple segments of "Forbidden Planet", but it is unclear
though what youtube will allow now, with all the
copyright infringement lawsuits.
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Glassman@work
> have been discussed since very early on, in the Lost series. I got a copy
> of the old movie last week and watched it, and some very eeire Lost
> connections are there for sure.
>
Is it possible to make a sci-fi film that wasn't done before? Better
special effects today, but the story lines are constanly being repeated.
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thinbluemime
wrote:
>> Going back through old posts, Forbidden Planet and the Lost similarities
>> have been discussed since very early on, in the Lost series. I got a
>> copy
>> of the old movie last week and watched it, and some very eeire Lost
>> connections are there for sure.
>>
>
>
> Is it possible to make a sci-fi film that wasn't done before? Better
> special effects today, but the story lines are constanly being repeated.
>
I wonder if Abrams and Lindelof have ever asked that question? <wink>
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Dano
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Might be hard to believe now, but Nielsen was a dramatic lead for most of
his very long acting career. Check his IMDb resume. He's had an amazing
career. The comedy switch is like a second great career.
Steven L.
>> Going back through old posts, Forbidden Planet and the Lost similarities
>> have been discussed since very early on, in the Lost series. I got a copy
>> of the old movie last week and watched it, and some very eeire Lost
>> connections are there for sure.
>>
>
>
> Is it possible to make a sci-fi film that wasn't done before?
Sure. Just like there are original sci-fi novels published regularly.
The problem is making an original sci-fi film that *will be a hit*.
A major motion picture represents a considerable investment--actually a
gamble. Thus the producers and financial backers are more comfortable
producing a film in a proven genre (like space war) than in
experimenting with something unusual.
Finally, movies are primarily a visual medium, and not all sci-fi ideas
translate into visual spectacle. Many are more thoughtful than spectacular.
Many of the award-winning SF novels don't satisfy these criteria.
They're either too different or too intellectual to find backers to turn
into movies, or they're not visual enough.
thinbluemime
wrote:
> Going back through old posts, Forbidden Planet and the Lost similarities
> have been discussed since very early on, in the Lost series. I got a
> copy of the old movie last week and watched it, and some very eeire Lost
> connections are there for sure.
>
> If you can, grab a copy and watch. I may post some screen shots later,
> but the slamb dunk smoke monster, the electrified fence, Egyption
> writings, and a vast undergound machine are all there in the Forbidden
> Planet.
>
You may have to fiddle with your flash player controls to get these to
start, but here are 2 clips from Forbidden Planet.
The first is where Morbius explains how the "plastic-educator" works, to
train young Krell.
http://lostdude.com/lostflash/fpe1/fpe1.html
The second clip is of the monster. I love how this creature slam-dunks the
crew member like the smoke monster did Eko
http://lostdude.com/lostflash/fpm8/fpm8.html
If the clips do not play after clicking on the play button, slide the bar
at the bottom, as if you were trying to fast forward through the clip.
Slide the bar back to the start and press play.
Resources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forbidden_Planet
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4486840
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gossamer_(Looney_Tunes)
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