The Myth of Sisyphus
thinbluemime
get the latest ABC Official Podcast
After Hurly interview part 2
Listen to what lead in announcer says :)
I said to myself ...OHChit..tdciago is onto sumpin and the others are
listening LOL
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
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tdciago
thinbluemime wrote:
> tdciago
> get the latest ABC Official Podcast
> After Hurly interview part 2
> Listen to what lead in announcer says :)
> I said to myself ...OHChit..tdciago is onto sumpin and the others are
> listening LOL
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
Well, if they're using a Sisyphus analogy, they can just keep resetting
the characters over and over again, because they'll never get that
boulder up the hill permanently.
:)
How would I go about getting the podcast? Or you could just give me
the gist of their comments if you like. Sure wish these Podcasts were
transcribed. I much prefer text.
thinbluemime
Through-out podcast the term "mythology" was mentioned by Cuse and
Lindelof.
The Sisyphus reference was not mentioned by Lindelof or Cuse. Instead the
podcast announcer (Name unknown to me)about 5 min 55 sec into podcast
after Horge Garcia interview.
Hurley had been doing interview, recounting difficulty shooting airport
elevator scene over and over, to get it right.
Paraphrased:
"Just a note if lost truely were pergatory, Horge would still be on that
staircase and his character would be named Sisyphus. Look that one up."
BTW, I wish podcast was transcribed also...so much easier to do
research...but I knew this one would be of interest to you, and my gut
tells me, they are listening to us here in alt.tv.lost :)
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tdciago
thinbluemime wrote:
> Paraphrased:
> "Just a note if lost truely were pergatory, Horge would still be on that
> staircase and his character would be named Sisyphus. Look that one up."
LOL. And he'd be crying out to the gods, "Don't tell me what I can't
do!"
(Damn gods. If they're not punishing us, they're conning us. Or
getting us pregnant.)
> BTW, I wish podcast was transcribed also...so much easier to do
> research...but I knew this one would be of interest to you, and my gut
> tells me, they are listening to us here in alt.tv.lost :)
They must think it's very funny that people think I'm a loon.
Two more things occurred to me about the show, related to mythology:
Sun says, "I swear to you, Jin, I have never been with another man.
That is the truth."
That doesn't rule out being with a god, now, does it? I think hottie
English tutor is either Ares or Adonis (Aphrodite had affairs with both
of them), so Sun could be telling the whole truth and still have been
unfaithful.
Also, that weird Hannibal Lecter voice that came out of Sayid may be a
reference to eating a man's liver. "Ethon, party of one, your table is
ready. We've prepared your usual: Pate de Prometheus."
thinbluemime
Excellent! Let us know when you get that web page with the myth
compilation completed :)
In mean time, I have ripped the podcast segment down, if you want tohear
it, it is very small, and I will leave it on web for a couple days. Here's
link:
http://h1.ripway.com/thinbluemime/Lostpodcast_12_abc(Trimmed)(Trimmed).mp3
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Ryan Robbins
"tdciago" <tdc...@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
> Sun says, "I swear to you, Jin, I have never been with another man.
> That is the truth."
>
> That doesn't rule out being with a god, now, does it? I think hottie
> English tutor is either Ares or Adonis (Aphrodite had affairs with both
> of them), so Sun could be telling the whole truth and still have been
> unfaithful.
Do you have any idea how absurd that sounds? It just blows my mind how lost
some people get themselves while trying to "solve" the show.
Ryan Robbins
<kis...@myass.com> wrote in message
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> correcting and criticizing them. Talk about obsessed. Where are your
> logical theories?
I don't follow people around and I don't necessarily criticize people.
There's a difference between criticizing a theory and criticizing the person
who made the idea.
As for where my theories are, I prefer not to jump to conclusions and throw
everything at the dart board. "Lost" is more of a thrill ride than a
whodunit. So while others are coming up with silly theories that don't have
any supporting evidence, I prefer to enjoy the ride. Every now and then I
will comment on what I think a scene meant. Look in the archives.
> Too bad your mind isn't blown enough to shut you up. tdiciago's aren't
> any more bizarre than many of the theories here and at least it's
> interesting reading about the myths rather than your hateful and
> condescending dribble.
Any hate you must be feeling would be coming from your end, not mine. Yes, I
challenge people to support their ideas. That doesn't mean I hate them. And
if I question a theory and the person who posed it can't provide answers,
the frustration that person feels should not be directed at me.
Melroseman
Ryan Robbins wrote:
> Every now and then I
> will comment on what I think a scene meant. Look in the archives.
Looking for one of your few worthwhile comments in the archives is like
looking for a needle in a haystack of insults. You really ought to try
and turn that ratio around.
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Melroseman
tdciago wrote:
> thinbluemime wrote:
> > tdciago
> > get the latest ABC Official Podcast
> > After Hurly interview part 2
> > Listen to what lead in announcer says :)
> > I said to myself ...OHChit..tdciago is onto sumpin and the others are
> > listening LOL
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myth_of_Sisyphus
>
> Well, if they're using a Sisyphus analogy, they can just keep resetting
> the characters over and over again, because they'll never get that
> boulder up the hill permanently.
Sisyphus' myth would also fit the endless button pushing cycle. Too bad
the comment isn't from an officlal mouth.
WG...@webtv.net
] redbi...@verizon.net (Ryan Robbins)
]I don't follow people around and I don't
] necessarily criticize people. There's a
] difference between criticizing a theory and
] criticizing the person who made the idea.
You have to be kidding us with that statement. That is all you do
here----"criticize people"! If not their ideas, then surely their
spelling. You attack people left, and rightt, and now you have the nerve
to say that you do not really Criticize People here. What a "laugh" that
is!
}Yes, I challenge people to support their ideas.
] That doesn't mean I hate them. And if I
] question a theory and the person who posed it
] can't provide answers, the frustration that
] person feels should not be directed at me.
It's time to confess, you really do hate everyone don't you? And that is
why you attack, and criticize just about everyone here. Just go back in
the Archives, and look it up, if you do not believe me. And then let us
know if you think that you "do not" criticize people here. Just look at
your answers to my posts!
Ryan Robbins
"Melroseman" <melro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Ryan Robbins wrote:
>
>> Every now and then I
>> will comment on what I think a scene meant. Look in the archives.
>
> Looking for one of your few worthwhile comments in the archives is like
> looking for a needle in a haystack of insults. You really ought to try
> and turn that ratio around.
Well, the same could be said about looking for "worthwhile comments" from
others. Just about all of the theories are pure garbage, and there's no
getting around it.
Ryan Robbins
<WG...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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]I don't follow people around and I don't
] necessarily criticize people. There's a
] difference between criticizing a theory and
] criticizing the person who made the idea.
>You have to be kidding us with that statement. That is all you do
>here----"criticize people"! If not their ideas, then surely their
>spelling. You attack people left, and rightt, and now you have the nerve
>to say that you do not really Criticize People here. What a "laugh" that
>is!
The only person I admit to criticizing is you because you're so childish.
Pointing out chronic misspellings is not a criticism of the person making
that missppelling. But I guess in your coddled world it is, which is sad. I
suppose you cry to your mother every night when you bring home a writing
assignment from school laced with red marks from the teacher. Oh, wait. Some
teachers these days are actually giving up the red pen because the red ink
hurts their students' feelings.
}Yes, I challenge people to support their ideas.
] That doesn't mean I hate them. And if I
] question a theory and the person who posed it
] can't provide answers, the frustration that
] person feels should not be directed at me.
>It's time to confess, you really do hate everyone don't you?
The world is not as simple as you would like it to be. When Roger Ebert
tears apart a film, he is not saying the filmmaker is a bad person. But
using your facile logic, Ebert is indeed saying that.
tdciago
thinbluemime wrote:
> Paraphrased:
> "Just a note if lost truely were pergatory, Horge would still be on that
> staircase and his character would be named Sisyphus. Look that one up."
I did as I was instructed. :) Looks like this *was* a clue. Ready
for an intricate tale? No, I didn't think so, but I'll put this one on
the record just for myself.
I've suspected for a couple of weeks now that Desmond represents the
mythological figure Atlas, holding up the world. Now I'm convinced of
it. He tells Jack he was almost a doctor once. This is a reference to
being a chiropractor. Google "Atlas chiropractic" or "Atlas
chiropractor." They are concerned with the upper cervical area, the
first vertebrae, called the Atlas. This name is obviously derived from
the story of Atlas holding up the world. Desmond tells Jack to "lift
it up," and we see a similar phrase ("Lift up your hearts") in Latin on
the map on the blast door. Desmond says he is training for a solo race
around the world. Atlas has to hold up the entire world, solo.
Desmond says he and Kelvin were saving the world together for a while.
Look up the story of Atlas and Hercules, and how Herc took over the job
for a time, only to have Atlas try to leave him to it permanently.
Hercules was able to trick Atlas into taking the world back, then Herc
left him.
>From http://www.lucistrust.org/hercules/poetry/Allen.html :
"The sphere that Atlas holds is both celestial and terrestrial and it
is also the globe of the human head. The atlas bone is the uppermost of
the seven cervical vertebrae in the neck, the seven steps to heaven,
known to the Chinese as 'the Heavenly Staircase'. In European
languages, words like 'cerebral' refer both to the brain and to the
heavens and the head abounds with imagery from various spiritual
traditions."
Atlas had 7 daughters, known as the Pleiades, or Seven Sisters, who
lived on the island of Chios. Orion went there and fell in love with
one of the sisters, named Merope. He pursued her (or all of the
sisters) for seven years. Merope means "honey-faced" or "eloquent," and
is also associated with the word "mortal." I've wondered if Helen is
Locke's Merope. She has a way with words, and in last night's episode,
we learned that she has a habit of reading the obituaries, which is
certainly a reference to mortality. She also said she liked bald men.
This may be a reference to Ionesco's "The Bald Soprano," another
Theater of the Absurd play, like "The Myth of Sisyphus." "Many suggest
that it expresses the futility of meaningful communication in modern
society. The script is charged with non sequiturs that give the
impression that the characters are not even listening to each other in
their frantic efforts to make their own voices heard." (
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bald_Soprano )
Orion wanted to marry Merope, but her father insisted that he rid the
island of dangerous beasts first, which Orion did. Merope's father got
Orion drunk every night, and finally Orion grew impatient and raped
Merope. Later, as he slept, Merope's father gouged out Orion's eyes
and threw him off the island.
I think the map on the blast door represents the Pleiades, which is a
star cluster in the constellation Taurus. The constellation Orion is
said to be always chasing them. Although there are seven sisters, one
of them is hidden. That star is just dim enough to be difficult to
make out with the naked eye. But in mythology, there are a couple of
explanations for the hidden star. One is that it is the sister
Celæno, who was struck by a thunderbolt. Another version says that
Merope hides in shame because, unlike her sisters, she married a
mortal. On the map, one of the seven stations is completely crossed
out (Celæno?), and another (Merope?) is bypassed by the lines that are
drawn. Anthony Cooper had seven hundrerd thousand in the safety
deposit box, and said Locke could have two hundred thousand, so we have
7 minus 2 again.
The stars in Pleiades are blue. The lighting in the hatch was bluish
when Locke saw the map. It was ultraviolet, or black light.
Astronomers use ultraviolet photometry to study the Pleiades. "A
reflection nebula is a nebula that glows as the dust in it reflects the
light of nearby stars. These nebulae are frequently bluish in color
because blue light is more efficiently reflected than red light. A
reflection nebula surrounds the Pleiades Cluster." (
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/stars/nebulae.shtml
)
I mentioned that Merope had ended up marrying a mortal. He was ...
Sisyphus. :)
More on him here: http://myth.typepad.com/breakfast/2005/04/index.html
"Sisyphus was a trickster. He was rumored to be the real father of
Odysseus, another big trickster, and he was famous for cheating death.
Alcaeus, an early poet, says that he was almost too clever to die.
When Zeus, so the tale goes, was trying to keep secret one of his many
affairs, Sisyphus told on Zeus to the girl's father. Zeus, angry, sends
the god Death (Thanatos) to carry Sis away to Hades, but Sis binds
Thanatos (we don't know how) so that no one for a time can die. Ares,
god of war, finally overpowers the trickster, and sends him to the
underworld.
But Sisyphus has another trick up his sleeve. Before dying, he
instructs his wife Merope not to perform funeral rites. He gets Hades
to send him back (as a real person, not as a ghost) to the earth to
advise Merope to do the rites. But like a tourist overstaying his visa,
Sisyphus never returns to Hades, and after many years dies of old age."
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In "Lockdown," we see Anthony Cooper faking his own death. I also
suspect there is a bit of "The Odyssey" being played out here, with
Locke's "Welcome Home" inspection service and Helen having previously
said she wasted twenty years of her life: "I wasted 20 years of my life
being angry. I told myself I would get over it, but I... I couldn't do
it alone." Odysseus' wife, Penelope, waited twenty years for him to
come home from the Trojan War.
Oh, and despite Helen's name, I think the real Helen of Troy (the face
that launched a thousand ships) is someone else on the show. Someone
that Theseus (aka Sayid) kidnapped when she was a child, with the
intention of marrying her later. Someone we were introduced to as a
*face* in a photograph, one that even survived the destruction of
Danielle's bunker:
That Helen is Nadia. They're layering myth on top of myth.
Melroseman
> "Melroseman" <melro...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
>>Ryan Robbins wrote:
>>
>>> Every now and then I
>>>will comment on what I think a scene meant. Look in the archives.
>>
>>Looking for one of your few worthwhile comments in the archives is like
>>looking for a needle in a haystack of insults. You really ought to try
>>and turn that ratio around.
>
> Well, the same could be said about looking for "worthwhile comments" from
> others. Just about all of the theories are pure garbage, and there's no
> getting around it.
The difference being, theories are what this show induces and what this
group and all other Lost forums are all about. Your snippy comments
belong in alt.spelling&grammar and perhaps alt.judgejudy. If you have
nothing Lostcentric to add to a conversation, then once again, I suggest
you resist the urge.