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theget

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:25:36 AM12/17/09
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Ex-Lawmaker Convicted of Rape: Name Is Copyrighted

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/16/business/AP-US-Inmate-Name-Copyright.html?_r=3

"A former South Dakota lawmaker convicted of raping his two foster
daughters has sent news organizations what he claims is a copyright
notice that seeks to prevent the use of his name without his consent."

Without his consent? Somehow I'm reminded of song lyrics.

Isn't it Ironic? http://www.lyrics007.com/Alanis Morissette Lyrics/
Ironic Lyrics.html

I think the irony is so strong with this one that it could be RFTH
with a bit of a twist, and it would be ironic justice if the show
would use the guy's real name, Ted Alvin Klaudt. Oh. Oops.

Maybe not the usual mix of legal issues. I don't think we've ever seen
an ep that revolved around intellectual property. Maybe the recent
RFTH ep about Schuler's wrong way car accident and drugs would come
close.

I took some lyrics from the song Again and Again for the subject line.
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/t/the_bird_and_the_bee/again_and_again.html
I always liked the alternative music video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kxDxLAjkO8

There's a song in my heart today.

Theget

Ray O'Hara

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Dec 17, 2009, 11:46:36 AM12/17/09
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"theget" <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote in message
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I don't think copyright laws prevent a name being used in a news report.
but if it did it wopuld be a neat trick for criminals to help defray legal
costs.


D.F. Manno

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Dec 17, 2009, 6:19:59 PM12/17/09
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In article
<a7251981-5655-4d57...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

> Ex-Lawmaker Convicted of Rape: Name Is Copyrighted
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/16/business/AP-US-Inmate-Name-Copyright.html?_r=3
>
> "A former South Dakota lawmaker convicted of raping his two foster
> daughters has sent news organizations what he claims is a copyright
> notice that seeks to prevent the use of his name without his consent."

Two words for Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius at Law there: fair use.

You'll note that neither the AP nor the Times was intimidated by this
clown.

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David / Amicus

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Dec 17, 2009, 7:43:26 PM12/17/09
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I understand the song "Happy Birthday" is coprighted. Every time it's
played the holders are suppose to get money.

Regarding copyrighting a name. I think there was some fellow who
legally changed his to "Santa Claus". Now there's someone who should
try to get a copyright! ;-))))

But isn't there a time limit on copyrights? They expire sometime. Can
they be renewed?

I understand that there is only one perpetual copyright and that is for
the Christian Science textbook "Science and Health with Key to the
Scriptures" by Mary Baker Eddy. And that took a special act of
Congress!

theget

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:45:32 PM12/17/09
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On Dec 17, 7:43 pm, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus) wrote:

>
> But isn't there a time limit on copyrights?

Yes.

> They expire sometime. Can
> they be renewed?

Yes. I think there's a SCOTUS decision that says they can be renewed,
but I don't recall the case and I don't know all the details. IP law
seems even more confusing to me than criminal law. So I'm pretty
confused.


> I understand that there is only one perpetual copyright and that is for
> the Christian Science textbook "Science and Health with Key to the
> Scriptures" by Mary Baker Eddy.  And that took a special act of
> Congress!

If Congress actually granted someone a perpetual, ie no need to renew
ever, copyright, it would be, IMNSHO, unconstitutional. The CoUS uses
the phrase "limited time" for copyright, and so a perpetual one would
be beyond the powers of congress, assuming we have a constitutional
government of limited powers. However, no one has ever said what the
limit is and since AFAIK a copyright is renewable, although, IMO this
isn't constitutional either, it may be a somewhat moot point.

Theget

theget

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Dec 17, 2009, 8:51:04 PM12/17/09
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On Dec 17, 6:19 pm, "D.F. Manno" <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> In article
> <a7251981-5655-4d57-8556-7e0fa0a7f...@t12g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,

>
>  theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> > Ex-Lawmaker Convicted of Rape: Name Is Copyrighted
>
> >http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/16/business/AP-US-Inmate-Name...

>
> > "A former South Dakota lawmaker convicted of raping his two foster
> > daughters has sent news organizations what he claims is a copyright
> > notice that seeks to prevent the use of his name without his consent."
>
> Two words for Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius at Law there: fair use.

You made me LOL. Here are two more words for him: public record.

> You'll note that neither the AP nor the Times was intimidated by this
> clown.

Yeah, I can't quite figure out what he thinks he's doing. I can
imagine the reaction in the legal department at any major publication
when some editor calls them to ask if they can use his name.

Besides which, if they can't use his name, how does he expect them to
spread the word to other members of the staff?

Theget


David / Amicus

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:14:58 PM12/17/09
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From this article it seems that the courts have ruled that perpetual
copyright on the Christian Science textbook is unconstitutional.


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Address:


http://www.mbeinstitute.org/America/amerch13.html

David Johnston

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:26:08 PM12/17/09
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On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:43:26 -0800, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
wrote:

>I understand the song "Happy Birthday" is coprighted. Every time it's


>played the holders are suppose to get money.
>
>Regarding copyrighting a name. I think there was some fellow who
>legally changed his to "Santa Claus". Now there's someone who should
>try to get a copyright! ;-))))
>
>But isn't there a time limit on copyrights?

Yes. However it is extended every time it looks like Mickey Mouse
might go into the public domain.

D.F. Manno

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Dec 17, 2009, 9:51:57 PM12/17/09
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In article
<5f9818d6-d3b9-455c...@v7g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,
theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

> D.F. Manno <dfma...@mail.com> wrote:
> > theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Ex-Lawmaker Convicted of Rape: Name Is Copyrighted
> >
> > > http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/16/business/AP-US-Inmate-Name...
> >
> > > "A former South Dakota lawmaker convicted of raping his two foster
> > > daughters has sent news organizations what he claims is a copyright
> > > notice that seeks to prevent the use of his name without his consent."
> >
> > Two words for Wile E. Coyote, Super Genius at Law there: fair use.
>
> You made me LOL. Here are two more words for him: public record.

That'll work too.

> > You'll note that neither the AP nor the Times was intimidated by this
> > clown.
>
> Yeah, I can't quite figure out what he thinks he's doing.

Isn't it obvious? He thinks copyrighting his name will prevent the media
from reporting on his conviction, and will require them to remove
previous articles from their online archives, making it harder to search
for information about his conviction.

He's wrong in so many different ways, of course, but that's what he's
thinking, if you can call it that.

MrBuddwing

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:47:02 AM12/18/09
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On Dec 17, 9:25 am, theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> Ex-Lawmaker Convicted of Rape: Name Is Copyrighted
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2009/12/16/business/AP-US-Inmate-Name...

>
> "A former South Dakota lawmaker convicted of raping his two foster
> daughters has sent news organizations what he claims is a copyright
> notice that seeks to prevent the use of his name without his consent."
>
> Without his consent? Somehow I'm reminded of song lyrics.
>
> Isn't it Ironic?http://www.lyrics007.com/AlanisMorissette Lyrics/

> Ironic Lyrics.html
>
> I think the irony is so strong with this one that it could be RFTH
> with a bit of a twist, and it would be ironic justice if the show
> would use the guy's real name, Ted Alvin Klaudt. Oh. Oops.
>


Although I'm a layman, my understanding is, you cannot copyright a
title. And I think a person's name qualifies as that person's "title."

David / Amicus

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:26:51 PM12/18/09
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I would think that there is not a name so unique that more than one
person would not have it?

Vince

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Dec 18, 2009, 3:49:10 PM12/18/09
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David / Amicus wrote:
> I would think that there is not a name so unique that more than one
> person would not have it?
>


Hey I'm the only one with my name unless theres someone back in the old
country.

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David Johnston

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:21:59 PM12/18/09
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People often confuse "copyright" with "trademark", myself included.
You can trademark someone's name. Believe you me, Gucci could sue
someone for selling Gucci sneakers, even if that someone was also
named Gucci. However, the use of trademarked words in news stories
where applicable is of course fair use.

David Johnston

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Dec 18, 2009, 4:22:34 PM12/18/09
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On Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:26:51 -0800, Ami...@webtv.net (David / Amicus)
wrote:

>I would think that there is not a name so unique that more than one


>person would not have it?

Moon Unit Zappa begs to disagree.

Vince

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Dec 18, 2009, 7:46:10 PM12/18/09
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You know what a rich baby sounds like?


Gucci, Gucci Gu

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David / Amicus

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Dec 18, 2009, 8:24:03 PM12/18/09
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<<You know what a rich baby sounds like?

Gucci, Gucci Gu >>


Excellent!!! LOL!!!! Too funny!!! Thanks!!!

Vince

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Dec 18, 2009, 11:43:53 PM12/18/09
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Glad you like it made it up years ago.

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