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theget

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Jan 4, 2010, 3:43:58 PM1/4/10
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Two stories about drugs.

Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to
help the man in the street.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook-Not-A-Hit-80570847.html

Rinse, wash, repeat subject line here. I think the judge treated the
law with contempt.
http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/01/04/23297.htm

David Johnston

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Jan 4, 2010, 4:30:41 PM1/4/10
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Remember that judge who had a street coffee vendor pulled into his
court and cited for contempt for making bad coffee?

theget

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Jan 4, 2010, 7:09:33 PM1/4/10
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On Jan 4, 4:30 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:43:58 -0800 (PST), theget
>
> <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> >Two stories about drugs.
>
> >Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to
> >help the man in the street.
> >http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook...

>
> >Rinse, wash, repeat subject line here. I think the judge treated the
> >law with contempt.
> >http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/01/04/23297.htm
>
> Remember that judge who had a street coffee vendor pulled into his
> court and cited for contempt for making bad coffee?  

Do you mean Zarcone v. Perry? http://openjurist.org/572/f2d/52/zarcone-v-m-perry-j
Please tell me that's the one, because I would hate to think that
there was more than one case about this. Like good coffee that was
tough to find.

Looking for that I also found this little gem, Stump v. Sparkman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stump_v._Sparkman

I think this might be the time to ask what people mean when they
discuss "personal responsibility"... Ah, I get it: "personal
responsibility for you, not for me." Ok, so that's clear.

I also came across this recently,
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2009/12/public_defender_mistreated_in.html

I hope all those judges don't get off. The way this guy did:
http://todayintheusa.com/2008/09/24/masturbating-judge-disbarred/ Heh
heh. Now there's a sex offender who got to return to the scene of the
crime.


Theget

David Johnston

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Jan 5, 2010, 10:46:46 PM1/5/10
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On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:09:33 -0800 (PST), theget
<the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

>On Jan 4, 4:30�pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:43:58 -0800 (PST), theget
>>
>> <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
>> >Two stories about drugs.
>>
>> >Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to
>> >help the man in the street.
>> >http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook...
>>
>> >Rinse, wash, repeat subject line here. I think the judge treated the
>> >law with contempt.
>> >http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/01/04/23297.htm
>>
>> Remember that judge who had a street coffee vendor pulled into his
>> court and cited for contempt for making bad coffee? �
>
>Do you mean Zarcone v. Perry? http://openjurist.org/572/f2d/52/zarcone-v-m-perry-j
>Please tell me that's the one, because I would hate to think that
>there was more than one case about this. Like good coffee that was
>tough to find.

Yeah, that's the guy.

>
>Looking for that I also found this little gem, Stump v. Sparkman
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stump_v._Sparkman
>
>I think this might be the time to ask what people mean when they
>discuss "personal responsibility"... Ah, I get it: "personal
>responsibility for you, not for me." Ok, so that's clear.

Ah, but that was professional irresponsibility, not personal.

D.F. Manno

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Jan 6, 2010, 12:08:36 AM1/6/10
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<76be397b-8da5-472e...@3g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

> Rinse, wash, repeat subject line here. I think the judge treated the
> law with contempt.
> http://www.courthousenews.com/2010/01/04/23297.htm

I would have provided the urine sample. I would not have used a specimen
cup, however.

--
D.F. Manno | dfm...@mail.com
And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would
have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His
existence. (Bertrand Russell)

theget

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Jan 6, 2010, 12:51:20 AM1/6/10
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On Jan 5, 10:46 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 4 Jan 2010 16:09:33 -0800 (PST), theget

> >Looking for that I also found this little gem, Stump v. Sparkman


> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stump_v._Sparkman
>
> >I think this might be the time to ask what people mean when they
> >discuss "personal responsibility"... Ah, I get it: "personal
> >responsibility for you, not for me."  Ok, so that's clear.
>
> Ah, but that was professional irresponsibility, not personal.

So that's ok then.

I don't know her, so I can only surmise, that the events in Stump v.
Sparkman were intensely personal for Mrs. Sparkman.

So yes, that's personal responsibility for you and me, but not for
those who can hide behind a rule that gives them immunity without
regard for the damage they've caused. The rule may or may not be a
good one, and it may speak to professional responsibility, but it is
still an escape from personal responsibility. The judge personally did
what he did. No one else did it. He did it. Personally. But heavens,
we don't want him to take personal responsibility for what he did if
it was professionally irresponsible. And if he's a <wink> judge.

Speaking about avoiding responsibility, this group has had occasional
discussions about LEOs being convicted for illegal searches but
allowing the evidence in. This case reminded me of that since the guy
got off:

http://laist.com/2007/02/10/oc_cop_gets_off_in_court_after_masturbating_on_stripper_during_questionable_traffic_stop.php

Jack would probably prosecute the stripper for giving an illegal hand
job.

I went looking to see what became of His Honor Judge Harold D. Stump.
I didn't find out, but I did run across this.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/35203 I didn't read
the whole thing, but it looks interesting.

Theget.

theget

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Jan 6, 2010, 10:19:11 AM1/6/10
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On Jan 4, 3:43 pm, theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

> Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to

> help the man in the street.http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook...

Replying to my own post again.

I was thinking about this story some more and wondering if it doesn't
have RFTH potential.


http://www.wcbs880.com/NYC-Defends-Heroin-Injection-Handbook/6024583

A link to the handbook.
http://imgsrv.wcbs880.com/image/wcbs/UserFiles/File/drug_use_take_care.pdf


Suppose someone reads the book and says to someone, hey I wasn't going
to do that, but the city tells me how to do it safely so what the
helk. I'll shoot up. Fun. And then he dies.

Can Jack prosecute the people who published the booklet for some kind
of reckless indifference or something?

I think the news media are immune on First Amendment grounds, since
they are reporting on the issue, but what about the people in the
government? Will the disclaimers to try to stop using help them?

Theget

David Johnston

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Jan 6, 2010, 2:30:42 PM1/6/10
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On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:19:11 -0800 (PST), theget
<the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:

>On Jan 4, 3:43�pm, theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
>
>> Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to
>> help the man in the street.http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook...
>
>Replying to my own post again.
>
>I was thinking about this story some more and wondering if it doesn't
>have RFTH potential.
>
>
>http://www.wcbs880.com/NYC-Defends-Heroin-Injection-Handbook/6024583
>
>A link to the handbook.
>http://imgsrv.wcbs880.com/image/wcbs/UserFiles/File/drug_use_take_care.pdf
>
>
>Suppose someone reads the book and says to someone, hey I wasn't going
>to do that, but the city tells me how to do it safely so what the
>helk. I'll shoot up. Fun. And then he dies.

That would be really hard to believe.

theget

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Jan 6, 2010, 4:08:48 PM1/6/10
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On Jan 6, 2:30 pm, David Johnston <da...@block.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 6 Jan 2010 07:19:11 -0800 (PST), theget
>
>
>
> <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
> >On Jan 4, 3:43 pm, theget <the...@bigmailbox.net> wrote:
>
> >> Repeat subject line here. Finally the government does something to
> >> help the man in the street.http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-beat/NYCs-Heroin-How-To-Handbook...
>
> >Replying to my own post again.
>
> >I was thinking about this story some more and wondering if it doesn't
> >have RFTH potential.
>
> >http://www.wcbs880.com/NYC-Defends-Heroin-Injection-Handbook/6024583
>
> >A link to the handbook.
> >http://imgsrv.wcbs880.com/image/wcbs/UserFiles/File/drug_use_take_car...

>
> >Suppose someone reads the book and says to someone, hey I wasn't going
> >to do that, but the city tells me how to do it safely so what the
> >helk. I'll shoot up. Fun. And then he dies.
>
> That would be really hard to believe.  

I'm gullible.

Theget

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