Wed episode, Dec 9 -- major spoilers included
Zane XY
my main pet peeves about the show is that he doesn't get enough screen
time.
And now for the verdict; what a total load of horseshit. I realize
that "racist guy" had to be found not guilty so the self-serving
defense attorney could whack him in the final scene.
But in what real universe does a 3-time child killer get let off the
hook? Basically the jury is saying that it was the "TV racist guy's"
fault because he was the one who poisoned his followers minds? Again,
what a load of horseshit.
Even at its age, the mothership is the better show this year.
Hunter
f3a689...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com>, zane_t...@yahoo.com
says...
I agree it was a big stretch even though it was based very loosely on
a real case. That of a racist named Tom Metzger. He ran a racist
skinhead group called "Eastside White Pride" (ESWP) and had a public
access cable show "Race and Reason" along with his newspapers that he
spewed his vile including veiled calls for the attack on immigrants.
In 1988 a Ethiopian immigrant named Mulugeta Seraw was beaten to
death by ESWP Racist Skinhead Ken Mieske and two others. In a civil
law suit Metzger was held responsible for instigating it through
his cable show and his publications even though he was no where near
the scene and had no prior knowledge of what the skinheads were going
to do. The family of Seraw won a 12.5 million dollar judgement. The
big difference between the show and this real life case of course is
that the actual do'ers including Mieske were actually found guilty in
the criminal case.
One thing about the episode I didn't like was how it painted Rush
Limbaugh and other conservative talk show host including Fox News
Bill O'Reily and Glenn Beck as advocating violence on immigrants like
the Garrison character. Glenn Beck has said stupid, idiotic things
like saying President Obama's health care proposals was supposed to
be reparations for slavery which could be said to be racist but that
isn't the same as advocating violence overtly or covertly. No matter
how much one may disagree with Rush and the rest and I often do Rush,
which I know about the most, do NOT advocate violence against illegal
immigrants in any way shape or form even if the talk show host could
be very dumb at times.
Laroquette's character Randall Carver was a veiled reference to
William Kunstler and was also over the top with his anti police
stance, but it was not nearly as severe as the implication of
Limbaugh calling for violence. I feel it was practically slanderous.
For the record the Garrison character was much more like Morton
Downey Jr. and his TV show from the mid to late 1980s than anything
today. He used to bash immigrants and had a horde of rowdy fans like
the fictional Garrison. His career ended ingloriously when he faked a
racist attack on himself by skinheads in 1989 in a airport bathroom
including writing fake swastika on himself and partly shaving his
head for publicity to shore up his show's falling ratings. His show
was cancelled anyway a few months later. He is credited for starting
the "Trash TV" format that would be followed by Jerry Springer, Jenny
Jones and such. He died in 2001. He is the model for Garrison not
Limbaugh.
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----->Hunter
"No man in the wrong can stand up against
a fellow that's in the right and keeps on acomin'."
-----William J. McDonald
Captain, Texas Rangers from 1891 to 1907
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>
> One thing about the episode I didn't like was how it painted Rush
> Limbaugh and other conservative talk show host including Fox News
> Bill O'Reily and Glenn Beck as advocating violence on immigrants like
> the Garrison character. Glenn Beck has said stupid, idiotic things
> like saying President Obama's health care proposals was supposed to
> be reparations for slavery which could be said to be racist but that
> isn't the same as advocating violence overtly or covertly. No matter
> how much one may disagree with Rush and the rest and I often do Rush,
> which I know about the most, do NOT advocate violence against illegal
> immigrants in any way shape or form even if the talk show host could
> be very dumb at times.
I didn't watch the ep, but I wonder if they said this if it would be
actionable. I think for libel you have to prove that your reputation
was damaged, and the rules are different for public figures. So
probably not.
I'm most familiar with BOR and I've never heard him say anything that
could be IMO even misconstrued as advocating violence. Application of
the law, yes, but not violence.
But as I say, I didn't watch the ep, so I don't know what was actually
said.
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David Johnston
wrote:
>Laroquette's character Randall Carver was a veiled reference to
>William Kunstler and was also over the top with his anti police
>stance, but it was not nearly as severe as the implication of
>Limbaugh calling for violence. I feel it was practically slanderous.
>
Limbaugh's been left behind. It's Beck now.
And let's not forget who turned out to be a murderer at the end.
Hunter
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I have been meaning to ask you this: Why all these control
characters?:
"begin:vcard
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etc.
Can't you get rid of them, or at least put some space between them
and the actual text you want to post?
Anyway to answer your question yes I vaguely remember it but it was
so long ago but I do remember before that Laroquette's character,
Joey Heric, was a serial killer or at least killed twice, both of
them his gay lovers. The first time the firm got him off, the second
time he used his super intelligence to get himself off this time
acting as his own lawyer even when he wasn't a licensed attorney. I
think he did have a second chair who was a lawyer with the firm that
got him off the first time. He got off at that time too and a few
years later he came back as a real licensed lawyer to everyone's
shock LOL!
His character on "the practice sequel" series, "Boston Legal" Carl
Sack was totally different, not a criminal at all, not half crazy
like Denny Crane just with the exception of Paul Lewiston he was the
only totally normal guy in the firm of Crane, Poole & Schmidt!
Strange thing is that no one saw the uncanny resemblance between Carl
Sack and that other lawyer Joey Heric even though Heric had been on
TV and Alan Shore had worked for the same firm in "the Practice"
before "Boston Legal" Although Heric and shore never met, I am sure
he would had heard stories and knew of Heric if only by reading the
paper. ;-D
I liked both shows. I miss them.
Michael Ejercito
What was it with Alexandra Cabot attacking Garrison on the stand
after his testimony already made her case?
Too bad Sam Waterston was not available to film a scene where Jack
mccoy rips her a new one for her foolishness.
Michael
Hunter
da...@block.net says...
You mean Carver who killed the guy who told him after he got him off
that he was going to kill more kids?
David Johnston
wrote:
>In article <ali6i5lg5fh7tkvs9...@4ax.com>,
>da...@block.net says...
>> On Fri, 11 Dec 2009 04:46:19 -0500, Hunter <buffh...@my-deja.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> >Laroquette's character Randall Carver was a veiled reference to
>> >William Kunstler and was also over the top with his anti police
>> >stance, but it was not nearly as severe as the implication of
>> >Limbaugh calling for violence. I feel it was practically slanderous.
>> >
>>
>> Limbaugh's been left behind. It's Beck now.
>>
>> And let's not forget who turned out to be a murderer at the end.
>---
>You mean Carver who killed the guy who told him after he got him off
>that he was going to kill more kids?
Yes I do. I'd say portraying him as first of all a defense attorney
when defense attorneys are the arch-villains of the series, and then
murderers is pretty extreme.
Hunter
da...@block.net says...
You are not gauging the audience right. He killed the man who he just
got off who bragged that he was going to kill more kids. The audience
was rooting for Carver to shoot him.
David Johnston
wrote:
I'm the audience...the liberal audience... and I saw Carver being
portrayed as an idiot who first got a killer off and then committed
murder. In the end he was his father's son.