I really hope that isn't true.
autum...@my-dejanews.com
iconoclast <kine...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <HTML>
> <I>"KF TOS does not have the fan base that TLC has."</I>
>
> <P>That hurts, because TLC is just an atrocity of bandwidth. I remember
> getting all excited when I first heard of it, but then I made the mistake
> of watching some episodes. I bet TOS has a greater fan base then
> has been realized, but they could not get counted because it airs at irregular
> times, in the middle of the night, sometimes. I am only 20, and most everyone
> I know my age, and my parents and their friends, all would watch it if
> they did not have to go through such extremes.
> <BR> </HTML>
Excuse me? Excuse me????? Atrocity of band width??? I think not.:) I LOVE
that show,but mainly for the characters,not the plot actually,I hate cop
stuff.But the same goes for TOS,I loved it when I was able to watch it,but I
hate westerns,except for a few choice ones,Carradines good in westerns.
Anyway,I agree with everything else,it is on at a horrid time and most
everyone I know would watch it too,even those of us way past the flowers of
youth,hehe,I'm 34,my mothers 60-something,(she won't tell even me),and she
likes TOS,if it were on during the day or evening.
Please don't insult something just because you don't like it,a lot of people
do and it's not our fault TOS is on at a bad time. Besides,I'd hate to see a
huge flame war begin because people feel insulted by comments like that,as
you would if I called TOS "just an atrocity of bandwidth",which it isn't,but
some people do feel that way and would be rude enough to say so.(not me of
course,I miss it)
The last time I was here,this group was for discussing both shows,if me and
my adoration for TLC aren't wanted anymore,then......I'll.....(choked sob)...
feel right at home again,hehe.:)
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Esmollin
That hurts, because TLC is just an atrocity of bandwidth.
I can't believe you haven't been flamed out of this newsgroup by now!
Anyway, there's no accounting for taste. I feel most of the shows on
the major networks could be described that way.
Not TLC. If you prefer TOS, fine. I find both to be enjoyable for
different reasons. They both stand on their own as quality shows. If you're
looking for a flamewar, you've come to the wrong place.
E.
CAS412
THE FEW SHOWS on TV worth sitting and watching without insulting your
intelligence. There were many lessons I've learned through watching this
series. It changed my view of myself and the world through the various Buddist
Teachings that were applied in many of the episodes. As a result of this show ,
I did quite a bit of research into the Buddist Religion and really found it
quite interesting. I would have never done countless hours of research on the
Buddist Religion if it wasn't for the KFTLC shows to spark an interest. This
is a show that I have taped and watched over and over again and never get tired
of . How many shows that you have seen on TV have this kind of Chrisma that
KFTLC has. Personally, I can count the shows on one hand. I do Love the Show.
Ravensilver
I have to agree with the others - TLC is a fine show and certainly at
the same level as TOS.I grew up with TOS and loved watching it. I guess
it sparked my interest in things chinese, in asian philosophy and in
marital arts.
Now, since TOS is not running here - and hasn't, for a very long time -
I can watch TLC. And guess what: every time I watch an ep of that show,
I get re-confirmed in my choice of profession, I get advice for aspects
of my life, I even get the urge to go out and do some sports again ;).
It's a different show - just like ST:NG wasn't ST:TOS - but that's the
idea, isn't it? To do something new and different?
I'm always openminded where new series are concerned. And TLC has turned
out to be a jewel amongst the trash.
Ravensilver
(getting off my speaker's box now...)
iconoclast
the only redeeming feature is when it refers back to the original
series. I say that last bit in spite of having had to hear my man David
Carradine say, "That is what your great grandfather thought." Not to
mention that they actually used Mantis and White Crane style on the
original, but on TLC they just fake it. I am glad that CAS412 was able
to find religion through television, but he must know that TOS devoted a
great deal more time to TAOIST teachings. Come on people, please renew
my faith in the viewers of Kung Fu, and tell me you were kidding.
PQ Rada
important collection of some of the best shows ever to appear on TV..I too feel
it was superior to TLC BUT I love the expanded cast on TLC. Just let it
continues to be played and I am happy.
Ruth
of BOTH series! And that view spans three generations in
my family. My parents and I watched TOS when I was a
young girl, and when my own son was small I said one day
that I wished they still had Kung Fu on so that he could
see good shows on television. Lo and behold two months
later, Kung Fu: the Legend Continues came to TV. All four
of us (my parents, my son and myself) watched and loved
that series. Since then my dad has passed away and my
son has grown to a young man (17 years old), and I have
been buying the set of TOS videos from Columbia House.
The three of us who remain now enjoy watching those
videos, and KF-TLC which we taped from TV.
Peace! Ruth in Ontario, Canada
(aka David Carradine's best fan)
http://members.xoom.com/planetgemini/
(something new each month)
*especially on the Bulletins page*
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iconoclast <kine...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
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Strider
cheesy sometimes, but that is half of the fun of the show! So you don't
like it. That's you! Don't make ripples where they are not needed. Every
one is entitled to their own opinion, and when quality TV is hard to come
by.....don't knock it.
There is a lot of stuff out there that I like that other people don't like.
My friend Kev likes Bab 5, just like me, but he doesn't like Caine. That
is his opinion.
Jeanette
smar...@hotmail.com
iconoclast wrote in message <3655B865...@hotmail.com>...
Mike
TOS is better than TLC...
TLC is ok, but TOS is in a different league. In many ways.
And insults are never given... only taken...
-Mikael
Esmollin skrev i meddelandet
<19981119183222...@ng138.aol.com>...
CAS412
appreciate being slammed on this newsgroup, and I didn't "find religion" in
Buddhism, I just wanted to know more about the religion as KFTLC had alot of
reference to the religion. Being an "intelligent" viewer, I wanted to know some
of their customs that were shown in the series.
With what the major networks are currently offering to the TV viewing audience
in programming, KFTLC series is coming out smelling like a Rose in a proverbial
garbage heap.
I don't watch that much TV as I'm a student in college, but what I do
occasionally watch I make sure its worth sitting and watching and not wasting
my time nor insulting my "intelligence" and KFTLC fits that criteria. Also,
MR. KNOW IT ALL, I'm not a He but a She.Do you have a problem with that? You
must be a Male Chauvinist by the way your post was written. Earmarks of one
anyway. If you want fight, You've Got One With Me.
spi...@biosys.net
iconoclast <kine...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Are you guys joking? The premise is a reach, the plots are tired, and
> the only redeeming feature is when it refers back to the original
> series. I say that last bit in spite of having had to hear my man David
> Carradine say, "That is what your great grandfather thought." Not to
> mention that they actually used Mantis and White Crane style on the
> original, but on TLC they just fake it. I am glad that CAS412 was able
> to find religion through television, but he must know that TOS devoted a
> great deal more time to TAOIST teachings. Come on people, please renew
> my faith in the viewers of Kung Fu, and tell me you were kidding.
>
>
Umm,somehow I'm just not getting thru to you,am I? The concept of respecting
other people is one of maturity,something you clearly lack. Well,maybe when
you mature a little you'll be come to understand the concept. But,then
again,my 15 year old daughter shows far more respect for others than you
do,heck,even my 11 year old has shown more more maturity than that.
Your opinion of the show is yours,do not mock people that feel
differently,how arrogent.
Whether you like it or not,some people just aren't going to fall to their
knees in awe of your "expertise" on the subject.
Personally,I have no interest in martial arts,Toaism or anything like that,I
have my own beliefs that are just as dear,just as old and just as wise,it's
the compassion and mercy that I like that *both* shows display for people
less fortunate,of differing races,etc..,too deep for you,eh?
And as for your really childish insult towards CAS412,how disgusting of you
to go so low as to mock something as personal as somebodies faith or how they
came about finding it. Wisdom is wherever a person finds it and, like the
air we breath,we are entitled to it wherever it's found,no one owns
it,especially not you,she is entitled to her own personal Truth.
Anyway,CAS412 never said she "found religion" on T.V,she said it showed her
enough to gain an interest,how dare you mock such a thing,how people choose
their particular religion is their business,doesn't YOUR religion teach that?
Mine sure does. You have no business judging peoples choice of faith,there
are a lot of people who say you should be following only the religion you
were born into,I was born into mine,were you? Do I now have the right to mock
anyone not practicing their own ancestral beliefs or choosing them in a
different manner than I did??? No,of course not,and neither do you. The
mature thing to do would be to apologize for your insults,but somehow I
seriously doubt that you will,it would be nice if you'd prove me wrong
though,and at least apologize to CAS412 for such a disgusting insult,to mock
something as Sacred as a persons beliefs or even how they come by them is
considered the worst form of insult,but I was raised to RESPECT until
DISRESPECTED,what about you?
It's actually sad that a show as unjudgemental and kind as KungFu can draw
such snobbish,self centered pompishness behavoir as what you displayed.
Lady Wohali
--
PQ Rada
philosophy Caine teaches us, do you?
CAS412
Hey thanks for coming to my defense when iconoclast put his/her egotistical
post on this newsgroup. I have to go along though with PQ Rada philosophy that
belligerence does not make for a peaceful resolution to a PROBLEM. I should
have waited until morning to reply to iconoclast juvenile post with a thought
provoking message , but at 1:30am Central while taking a break in working on my
Term Paper due next Tuesday and seeing iconoclast post , it was the icing on
the cake, sorta speak, as I had a pretty rough week this past week. Maybe if we
ignore this BOZO, it will go away. Once again thanks for backing me up. I
really appreciate it and I'll work on being kind and gentler to my fellow man
which will take a lifetime to accomplish.in my case..
Sky
I've missed you guys a lot lately. Seems every time the past couple of weeks I've
looked for messages on my server, it kept saying "No New Messages". Hmmmm. Well,
today I decided to see when the last message was sent and, low and behold! I'd
missed a truckload of new messages marked as "read". Hmmmm. (Mind you, I'm the
only one who uses this computer, so it has to be my server or Netscape doing this
dastardly deed!)
I've caught up best I can (those that haven't expired) and have to say that this is
the FRIENDLIEST flame war I've ever read! (For an example of the other type, read
anything from alt. philosophy.taoism.)
Personally, I like both show, but honestlt prefer TOS (just love seeing my Kam do
his stuff when Blind Master Po had to fight). Little bit of trivia: The reason
Kam didn't work on TLC is Warner offered him the same position on TLC at (get this)
the same salary he made 20 something years earlier on TOS! <G>. It was an offer
too good to accept.
Little update on the Amazing Randi thing, Randi said Kam lost, even though 3 of the
4 people Kam treated said On Camera that they were feeling better than they had in
years. Sigh. I tried to warn him that there was no way Randi would ever allow him
to win. What I am hoping for now is that, with the coverage on Extra! (to be seen
later this month, BTW), we can work to pull not-so-Amazing Randi down a few pegs -
let the public know that he is pulling an even bigger scam than anyone he has
"debunked".
Did I mention that Randi was so entralled with what Kam does that he actually asked
him how he did it and wanted to learn more about it? Sigh. Well, a million is a
million, after all.
Well, Kam returned from Hong Kong yesterday and I'm back as busy as I can be (not
to mention I have a date with a lucious young man tomorrow night <G>), and Kam's
new book is almost ready for the printers and all. Sigh. Well, I'd better get
back off to work again.
Love to you all!
Cindra
Lady W
draw
>>such snobbish,self centered pompishness behavoir as what you displayed.
>>
>>Lady Wohali
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>
>Hey thanks for coming to my defense when iconoclast put his/her egotistical
>post on this newsgroup. I have to go along though with PQ Rada philosophy
that
>belligerence does not make for a peaceful resolution to a PROBLEM. I should
>have waited until morning to reply to iconoclast juvenile post with a
thought
>provoking message , but at 1:30am Central while taking a break in working
on my
>Term Paper due next Tuesday and seeing iconoclast post , it was the icing
on
>the cake, sorta speak, as I had a pretty rough week this past week. Maybe
if we
>ignore this BOZO, it will go away. Once again thanks for backing me up. I
>really appreciate it and I'll work on being kind and gentler to my fellow
man
>which will take a lifetime to accomplish.in my case..
Well,I'm clearly wrong for this group obviously,since I have no intention
to put up with insults,and would end up kill-filed because of it anyway,so
it's best that I go,I personally don't regret my post,but I respect your and
others feelings on the matter completely,you all would rather ignore
it,that's fine,I respect that,so rather than continue,which I would do if he
got nasty again,I'll move on.
I'm too "belligerant" for this group because I was taught to stand up and
fight back,clearly against everyones beliefs or culture here so I'll stick
to groups where I can fit in better,I am sorry for bothering you all,but I
will never back down to insults and don't come from the prefered type
culture apparently,but I do respect other cultures even if I don't agree
with them.
You all have fun and take care,including you,iconclast,just try to see that
you've hurt some feelings here and maybe try not to again,but,nobody will
confront you anymore so you'll have to decide to do that out of the goodness
of your heart.
Bye all.
Lady W
Lady W
actually allowed myself to feel horrid for being "myself",A weak moment
obviously.;)
But,I will end this post ,and hopefully this thread,on a positive note,with
the words of an old Chief ....
*******
" Whatever is in our hearts is in our sight. To love something or someone
makes us see the beauty of it, not the wrong. It is to our advantage to be
gentle in our observations,to see and cultivate the best in who we are and
in those around us. We love quiet, we suffer the mouse to play,when the
woods are rustled by the wind, we fear not."
*******
dodadagohvi,
Lady Wohali
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Lady W wrote in message ...
> Well,I'm clearly wrong for this group obviously,since I have no intention
>to put up with insults,and would end up kill-filed because of it anyway,so
>it's best that I go,I personally don't regret my post,but I respect your
and
>others feelings on the matter completely,you all would rather ignore
>it,that's fine,I respect that,so rather than continue,which I would do if
he
>got nasty again,I'll move on.
>
>Bye all.
>
>Lady W
Mike
Strider wrote:
>Every
>one is entitled to their own opinion, and when quality TV is >hard to come
>by.....don't knock it.
And so does this guy. Go after him/her, and tell what you all think. But
dont get upset because Iconoclast doesnt like TLC...
And to iconoclast: Attacking the show is ok (as long as we stand for what we
say), but do not attack individuals, it is just stupid. You will not collect
the most-likely-to-succed-in-a-kungfunewsgroup award...
Peace :) But in a flaming way... We must have discussions about something...
Mike
> Well,I'm clearly wrong for this group obviously,since I have no intention
>to put up with insults,and would end up kill-filed because of it anyway,so
>it's best that I go,I personally don't regret my post,but I respect your
and
>others feelings on the matter completely,you all would rather ignore
>it,that's fine,I respect that,so rather than continue,which I would do if
he
>got nasty again,I'll move on.
>
>fight back,clearly against everyones beliefs or culture here so I'll stick
>to groups where I can fit in better,I am sorry for bothering you all,but I
>will never back down to insults and don't come from the prefered type
>culture apparently,but I do respect other cultures even if I don't agree
>with them.
> You all have fun and take care,including you,iconclast,just try to see
that
>you've hurt some feelings here and maybe try not to again,but,nobody will
>confront you anymore so you'll have to decide to do that out of the
goodness
>of your heart.
>
>Bye all.
>
>Lady W
>
>
Please Lady W, do not leave us :) You are not bothering us with your
messages. I think all of your answers have made sence, and that is the most
important thing.
The instigator in this case is Iconoclast. And he is saying TLC sucks... So
far a healthy discussion. But then Iconoclast said something unthoughtful
about someones private life. And religion is very much private. So it is
only good you wrote back. And I think Iconoclast learned lost from your
message.
It is like the Kung Fu show.. It contains action, so must this newsgroup..
If attacked, we have the permit to defend us. and that was what you did. And
I dont think it was against Caines teachings in any way :)
Stay with us lady :)
-Mikael
HILLERY HANBY
I am so glad you are still here Lady W! We all have differing points of
view, and we should all feel free to express those views here. Of-course one
might invite a flame war by doing so, but hey, we do throw some of the
friendliest flame wars on Usenet! (and fun too.. like Tabasco sauce in your
morning breakfast of scrambled eggs - can really wake you up. We sorta need
that in this NG from time to time...)
Lady W, I do not think for a moment that your post was belligerent; you did
a wonderful job of bringing out the Truth of the matter, as you have always
had a great knack for doing! Iconoclast, you should be grateful that someone
cares enough to point
out to you your faults. If you have enough maturity to listen, this can
truly
help you through out the rest of your life.
We all are, after all, fans of Kung Fu (which ever one you like), and thus -
in the tradition of the shows - hopefully we can learn something about our
own mistakes, gain a little introspection, and come out of any bad situation
a little better off than when we entered.
Love to All,
Lotus
CAS412
Lady W
HILLERY HANBY wrote in message <739d3l$7...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
>
> I am so glad you are still here Lady W! We all have differing points of
>view, and we should all feel free to express those views here. Of-course
one
>might invite a flame war by doing so, but hey, we do throw some of the
>friendliest flame wars on Usenet! (and fun too.. like Tabasco sauce in your
>morning breakfast of scrambled eggs - can really wake you up. We sorta need
>that in this NG from time to time...)
I love the way you put that,hehe. People clash,that happens I agree,a good
spat and we move on,is quite invigorating,and makes a good "welcome back to
the 'net" for me.;)
You always were so well-balanced and wise,not to mention upbeat,I admire
that,and something we all need to try to find,a breath of fresh air and a
warm ray of sun light.:)
Lady Wohali
luth...@my-dejanews.com
iconoclast <kine...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Are you guys joking? The premise is a reach, the plots are tired, and
> the only redeeming feature is when it refers back to the original
> series. I say that last bit in spite of having had to hear my man David
> Carradine say, "That is what your great grandfather thought." Not to
> mention that they actually used Mantis and White Crane style on the
> original, but on TLC they just fake it. I am glad that CAS412 was able
> to find religion through television, but he must know that TOS devoted a
> great deal more time to TAOIST teachings. Come on people, please renew
> my faith in the viewers of Kung Fu, and tell me you were kidding.
I'll have to agree with you there: the original series IS the best
and the whole thing has unfortunately been run to the ground. I NEVER
cared for the Legend Continues from day one. So what if it was produced
in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad. Sure it has a following,
but it's a small following. The modern series does not compare to the
original series. The fact it is merely a chop-socky father and son
cop show is exactly what I hated about it. Dad is a modern day Shaolin
monk and sonny boy prefers to use his piece rather than do kung fu, but
the kung fu in TLC is awful. As a person who has studied kung fu,
I can easily tell you that the modern show is liked by a minority and
I don't care how large or small it is. Even the Chinese laugh at this show,
it's such a travesty.
The original Kung Fu Rules!
Michael Anderson
you feel better? In
Kungfu studies, we learn to build "chi", and a positive attitude, not
waste it!
www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2965
Michael Anderson
reason why DC should have to live up to that! He's been there, done
that. Everything being relative, TLC certainly is every bit as good as
the other "Martial" tv shows that are out there now. These shows may be
more popular, but so was Disco!
www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Villa/2965
Esmollin
So what if it was produced
in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
What an enlightened asttitiude!Sure it has a following,
but it's a small following. The modern series does not compare to the
original series. The fact it is merely a chop-socky father and son
cop show is exactly what I hated about it. Dad is a modern day Shaolin
monk and sonny boy prefers to use his piece rather than do kung fu, but
the kung fu in TLC is awful.
As a person who has studied kung fu,
I can easily tell you that the modern show is liked by a minority and
I don't care how large or small it is. Even the Chinese laugh at this show,
Who CARES? Maybe they should laugh more often, then they wouldn't have
time to exploit their factory workers and political prisoners .
Bottom line- the show is fun. You can see that the cast really enjoyed
doing it and we enjoy watching it.
E.
Lady W
>
>So what if it was produced
> in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
> What an enlightened asttitiude!Sure it has a following,
>
>but it's a small following. The modern series does not compare to the
> original series. The fact it is merely a chop-socky father and son
> cop show is exactly what I hated about it. Dad is a modern day Shaolin
> monk and sonny boy prefers to use his piece rather than do kung fu, but
> the kung fu in TLC is awful.
> As a person who has studied kung fu,
> I can easily tell you that the modern show is liked by a minority and
> I don't care how large or small it is. Even the Chinese laugh at this
show,
Personally,I don't care for TOS,I tried to watch it last week and it didn't
speak to me.
But note that I won't criticize it,nor will I throw an entire race into
anyones face to make a point about something that *has* no point,individual
tastes and opinions are of no profound value outside of us and our own
world,at least they shouldn't,we need to stand on our own two feet.
Only a fool sees the opinion of *One* as the fact of *All*,or even the
*Majority* opinion as the fact of *All*,just one Chinese person that likes
it proves you wrong,and I know three personally.
But,regardless of the so-called multitudes of people that you profess agree
with you,you can only lay claim to your own opinion,and frankly,I
disagree,from what I've seen,the following of TLC is bigger than TOS,but
many TLC fans enjoy TOS too,so that boost the numbers,not in this group I
fear,I've met several TLC fans erroneously afraid to post here,they fear
that they'll be ridiculed and mocked for prefering TLC,which is wrong of
course,heck,most of this group wants me to disapear again,but are too polite
to say it outloud,a nice group.
I'm not a mindless cow,content to follow a crowd anyway so the numbers and
opinions are meaningless.If the entire world hated it,means nothing to
me,I'd still love it the same,"water off a ducks back." so to speak.
Stereo-types are for those who are too afraid to face individuals of other
races lest they be forced to face themselves.
P.S... TLC was a hit,it never sank,it aged like anything else and it's
ratings began to wane,like anything else,the people began to move on,that's
life,it ran for five full years and is still running in reruns at a decent
time,I think you're bitter about that and that TOS isn't getting the time
slot that it deserves and trash TLC for that reason.
Get it an audience that actively watches it and that will change,"money
talks,b**llsh** walks", in all industries,including the entertainment
industry,if they think they can make money off of fans you can be sure it'll
be given a better slot,there's no underground conspiracy to keep TOS
down,it's just business.
I'm bored now,nothing of any value was gained here,so if you want an
argument over this you won't get it from me,I have no problem with your
*opinion* of the show,just a big one with the way you used the Chinese race
as a "thing" to somehow prove your opinion,but I don't bother trying to
debate such things,smacks too much of racism.
Good Bye,
Lady W
Mike
I can not understand how a person that do like TLC can not like TOS.
It would be like liking the new starwars movies but not liking the old ones.
And that seems odd to me, but still very cool, and I have no problem with
it, haha :)
And if we go the other way around, liking TOS and not liking TLC, would be a
little more understanding... cuz the plot changes but some ppl dont :)
If we we use Star wars.. there might be a few ppl that will say
"I hate these new movies, no real spirit in them..."
and this is maybe what some think about TLC... including me (but I am the TV
generation so I like TLC anyways, haha)
Again to Star wars... this comment will be heard more seldom:
"The new movies are better than the old ones"
They will be I am sure, and I am also sure that TLC is a better show than
TOS, but what are we really talking about when we favorize one of these
two...
This is my opinion of why TOS is the better one:
- The spirit
- It is not as unreal as TLC
- More fun environments, and peaceful (even if many might be sets, haha)
- More temple scenes
- Harrison Ford guessed stared... (just kidding, relax...)
- Much to learn from every episode, especially from Taoism (or whatever)
I could make the list longer, but it would be more trivial things.
Make up your own lists of reasons why TLC is better than TOS... I am sure we
can agree that TOS is the better of the two when we are talking about KUNG
FU :) hehe
Merry Christmas everybody!
-Mikael
luth...@my-dejanews.com
"Mike" <tek...@hem2.passagen.se> wrote:
> > Personally,I don't care for TOS,I tried to watch it last week and it
> didn't
> >speak to me.
> > I'm not a mindless cow,content to follow a crowd anyway so the numbers and
> >opinions are meaningless.If the entire world hated it,means nothing to
> >me,I'd still love it the same,"water off a ducks back." so to speak.
Mike, you're quite right. Just because the majority likes something doesn't
mean it's good for them. TOS was 100 times better, which is why the majority
might like the new show better. TOS is above their heads, the show being more
cerebral than TLC. No, I won't condemn anyone's addiction to TLC as they
don't know any better, they're only mice following a pied piper. That's fine,
shows you the way things are today. The majority followed Bill Clinton, look
what it got them. I'd rather watch a Seagal or Chan or Van Damme film than
watch any episode of TLC. But that's only my opinion. You're not alone, Mike.
> This is my opinion of why TOS is the better one:
>
> - The spirit
> - It is not as unreal as TLC
> - More fun environments, and peaceful (even if many might be sets, haha)
> - More temple scenes
> - Harrison Ford guessed stared... (just kidding, relax...)
> - Much to learn from every episode, especially from Taoism (or whatever)
>
> I could make the list longer, but it would be more trivial things.
>
> Make up your own lists of reasons why TLC is better than TOS... I am sure we
> can agree that TOS is the better of the two when we are talking about KUNG
> FU :) hehe
>
> Merry Christmas everybody!
Same to you, Mike
Luther
luth...@my-dejanews.com
"Lady W" <NOSPAM...@geocities.net> wrote:
> >Luther wrote:
> >
> >So what if it was produced
> > in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
> > What an enlightened asttitiude!Sure it has a following,
> >
> >but it's a small following. The modern series does not compare to the
> > original series. The fact it is merely a chop-socky father and son
> > cop show is exactly what I hated about it. Dad is a modern day Shaolin
> > monk and sonny boy prefers to use his piece rather than do kung fu, but
> > the kung fu in TLC is awful.
> > As a person who has studied kung fu,
> > I can easily tell you that the modern show is liked by a minority and
> > I don't care how large or small it is. Even the Chinese laugh at this
> show,
>
> speak to me.
> anyones face to make a point about something that *has* no point,individual
> tastes and opinions are of no profound value outside of us and our own
> world,at least they shouldn't,we need to stand on our own two feet.
> Only a fool sees the opinion of *One* as the fact of *All*,or even the
> *Majority* opinion as the fact of *All*,just one Chinese person that likes
> it proves you wrong,and I know three personally.
> But,regardless of the so-called multitudes of people that you profess agree
> with you,you can only lay claim to your own opinion,and frankly,I
> disagree,from what I've seen,the following of TLC is bigger than TOS,but
> many TLC fans enjoy TOS too,so that boost the numbers,not in this group I
> fear,I've met several TLC fans erroneously afraid to post here,they fear
> that they'll be ridiculed and mocked for prefering TLC,which is wrong of
> course,heck,most of this group wants me to disapear again,but are too polite
> to say it outloud,a nice group.
> opinions are meaningless.If the entire world hated it,means nothing to
> me,I'd still love it the same,"water off a ducks back." so to speak.
>
> races lest they be forced to face themselves.
>
> P.S... TLC was a hit,it never sank,it aged like anything else and it's
> ratings began to wane,like anything else,the people began to move on,that's
> life,it ran for five full years and is still running in reruns at a decent
> time,I think you're bitter about that and that TOS isn't getting the time
> slot that it deserves and trash TLC for that reason.
> Get it an audience that actively watches it and that will change,"money
> talks,b**llsh** walks", in all industries,including the entertainment
> industry,if they think they can make money off of fans you can be sure it'll
> be given a better slot,there's no underground conspiracy to keep TOS
> down,it's just business.
>
> I'm bored now,nothing of any value was gained here,so if you want an
> argument over this you won't get it from me,I have no problem with your
> *opinion* of the show,just a big one with the way you used the Chinese race
> as a "thing" to somehow prove your opinion,but I don't bother trying to
> debate such things,smacks too much of racism.
People today jump the gun more easily than ever before. So Caine was a
coolie in TOS, that's what made him cool, a hero. I took classes of three
different martial arts, two of which were Kung Fu styles and one Filipino.
I had a Filipino friend back in '79-'80, met a Malaysian in college who
knew karate and even met a Vietnamese family in '83, who treated me to
homemade Vietnamese rice cake. Even today I go to a suburban Chinese buffet
which features crab rangoon (thai) and sushi along with its Chinese menu.
No, I don't mean to show any racism towards Chinese with my dislike of
TLC nor do I mean the same with Canadians. Actually it's the American
crew's fault for leaving the States to make TLC in Canada. It could have been
filmed in California instead, in San Francisco's Chinatown. But that's my
opinion. Save money, save money. Anyway, I probably wouldn't have liked TLC
any better had it been made in California, it's too modern and impractical.
Maybe that's why everyone else likes it. TLC was comical, a fan of it told
me, a satire not meant to take seriously.
I doubt that TLC had the same impact as TOS when it first aired, though.
It's not unique as TOS was; BTW, Kung Fu was a western. By today's standards,
maybe people today don't like westerns the way they were liked years ago.
But IMHO Walker Texas Ranger is better than TLC, sorry. It's just that I'm a
western lover at heart, modern or old, the way TLC fans are not.
That's okay. Even Bruce Lee movies were better than TLC.
But that's one man's opinion.
luth...@my-dejanews.com
Chig...@webtv.net (Michael Anderson) wrote:
> btw, I would agree that TOS was a great show, but, I don't see any
> reason why DC should have to live up to that! He's been there, done
> that. Everything being relative, TLC certainly is every bit as good as
> the other "Martial" tv shows that are out there now. These shows may be
> more popular, but so was Disco!
Disco was a fad. Even "Martial Law" is IMHO better than TLC. We're
comparing modern shows here. TLC was syndicated, remember? No major network
had it. TNT picked it in reruns the way Nick at Nite picked up the old
Superman series several years ago. ("Superman" was never a network show)
Ruth
<74mqn5$qni$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <3655B865...@hotmail.com>,
> So what if it was produced in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
FYI ... Kung Fu: the Legend Continues may have been
produced in Canada (Ontario to be exact), but it was
produced by Warner Bros Ltd who are an American
company.
I take offense to the comment "Maybe that's why it
stunk so bad" because it was produced in Canada.
There are a great many movies & television shows
filmed and produced in Canada for American for
American companies. Partly because of the lower
cost, but also because of the atmosphere. I am the
first one to admit that a lot of Canadian made movies
are crap that I wouldn't give two cents to go and see.
However, when you get throwing jabs at my country
because YOU don't like a series, I get pissed.
If you'd care to take your head out of your ass and
look at the series with an open mind... you would
see that the essence of the show is still the same
whether it be the old series or the new one. David
Carradine did a wonderful job of playing BOTH Kwai
Chang Caine in the old series, and his grandfather
in the new one....and Caine was Caine regardless
which generation he was.
When TLC first came on, I wasn't sure how I would
feel, because I had so dearly loved the original show.
Seeing David, more mature and moving slower made
me wonder if the series would last at all. But after
watching the opening show; I decided that Caine
was still the kind, caring, patient and tolerant man
that I had loved about him in the original series.
Although I do not practice any martial art at all, is
*that* not the true essence of Kung Fu? Or had I
been fooling myself all those years ago that the
lessons of the show were to teach people to be
accepting of each other regardless what be the
color of their skin, their religion, or what country
they happen to be from? From what I (along with
my family) have seen... *both* series do that!
luth...@my-dejanews.com
"Ruth " <ruma...@xcelco.on.ca> wrote:
>
> > So what if it was produced in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
I'm so sorry you take offense. I said maybe, didn't I? Then
I said it was the American Company's fault for producing it in
Canada, not the Canadians. I hope to live near Canada so close
in fact, I can walk there. It's a beautiful country.
It produces many fine programs geared for Canadians. It
also produces fine films, which you think it doesn't.
I think Canadians should be proud of the films they produce
in Canada for their countrymen. Likewise, Americans should
not have to travel to Canada to film American TV shows.
Keep business in the States; it hurts American business.
> However, when you get throwing jabs at my country
> because YOU don't like a series, I get pissed.
Get pissed, be my guest, but I said American companies
should not HAVE to go to Canada to make series which
could and should be made in the States. That goes for
Mexico, the Caribbean, Europe, Asia, Africa...
Feeling better?
>
> If you'd care to take your head out of your ass and
> look at the series with an open mind... you would
> see that the essence of the show is still the same
> whether it be the old series or the new one.
The two series are UNRELATED, especially to ME.
One's a western and the other is a modern glorified cop
show. You can keep yours in your ass, thank you. I'll
never like TLC, so don't bother asking. I HATE IT.
You don't see the difference because you practice no
martial art, fine.
> Although I do not practice any martial art at all, is
> *that* not the true essence of Kung Fu? Or had I
> been fooling myself all those years ago that the
> lessons of the show were to teach people to be
> accepting of each other regardless what be the
> color of their skin, their religion, or what country
> they happen to be from? From what I (along with
> my family) have seen... *both* series do that!
That's your prerogative, I won't argue about it.
I'm from NY. You are welcome to call me a Yankee
bastard if you wish, I promise I won't get angry.
I love your country, but not some lousy update of
an old show I loved and still do.
I like DC not TLC.
You feel better, EH?
Esmollin
You obviously don't realize how prejudiced your words were and still are
in your reply to Ruth. "EH?" Give me a break.
Anyway, there's no accounting for boorishness.
As for Canadian programs, I will only hold up Due South as a brilliant
example of American and Canadian collaboration. Yes, TLC was made in Canada,
apparently the budget wouldn't allow for it to be made in the US.
If TLC offends your delicate sensibilities, don't watch it.
There IS a world of difference between TOS and TLC. They are two
different shows produced by different people at very different times. They
reflect that. But rather than tear down one, why not enjoy BOTH for what they
are?
Ellen
Michael Anderson
That part about opinions are like.......
That did cross my mind at one point!(LOL).
I must have been having a weak moment when I respoded
to, and dignified these comments.
Well done!
Michael
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Ruth
Canadians do not say "EH?". In fact (Luther) that is
one expression that I have never used. Except in jest,
while telling someone who obviously looks down on us,
"Yes of *course* it always snows here. We all live in
igloos, drive dogsleds and I personally have a pet polar
bear too, eh?" (rolling my eyes upward in disbelief) Of
course I have some very good American friends who
think that response is hilarious. They (he) are also the
ones who find it extremely amusing in the IRC when
someone ticks me off and I tell them "If it wasn't for
the fact that I'm particular who does it, I would tell you
to kiss my Royal Canadian ass!". Right, Glen? LOL
Peace! Ruth in Ontario, Canada
(aka David Carradine's best fan)
(something new each month)
*especially on the Bulletins page*
New Christmas page this month with a true story
about my family's Christmas traditions. :o)
Esmollin <esmo...@aol.com> wrote in article
<19981216100225...@ng-cd1.aol.com>...
Glen G.
Ruth wrote:
> I personally have a pet polar bear too, eh?"
You never told me about the Polar Bear Ruth!, Cool!
> They (he) are also the
> ones who find it extremely amusing in the IRC when
> someone ticks me off and I tell them "If it wasn't for
> the fact that I'm particular who does it, I would tell you
> to kiss my Royal Canadian ass!". Right, Glen? LOL
heheheh, yes I do get a kick out of that one :). For the
unititiated....a "royal Canadian ass" is distinguished with a large
maple leaf on the right cheek <G>.
-Glenster
(Ruth Holland's Royal Canadian Ass's best fan)
Ruth
>
> You never told me about the Polar Bear Ruth!, Cool!
Ah well you see I live in town so he has to pretend to
be a bearskin rug when the RCMPs come calling! ;o)
> For the unititiated....a "royal Canadian ass" is distinguished
> with a large maple leaf on the right cheek <G>.
ROTFL You've been peeking!
> -Glenster
> (Ruth Holland's Royal Canadian Ass's best fan)
Jeesh, now my ass has it's own fan too! Can anyone
*else* say that??? hehehe
Ruth - Gemini
(sitting proudly on my maple leaf tatoo) ( _x_*)
tri...@hotmail.com
luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <iChc2.196$x5.33...@news1.i1.net>,
> "Lady W" <NOSPAM...@geocities.net> wrote:
> > >Luther wrote:
> > >
> > >So what if it was produced
> > > in Canada? Maybe that's why it stunk so bad.
> > > What an enlightened asttitiude!Sure it has a following,
> > >
> > >but it's a small following. The modern series does not compare to the
> > > original series. The fact it is merely a chop-socky father and son
> > > cop show is exactly what I hated about it. Dad is a modern day Shaolin
> > > monk and sonny boy prefers to use his piece rather than do kung fu, but
> > > the kung fu in TLC is awful.
> > > As a person who has studied kung fu,
> > > I can easily tell you that the modern show is liked by a minority and
> > > I don't care how large or small it is. Even the Chinese laugh at this
> > show,
Uhhh, I know I'm coming in a little late on this, but I know of 3 Chinese
people who like the show. (It hasn't come up in conversation elsewhere so I
may know a few more) Those three happen to be women, and in general in
discussions, the thing that makes this show so viewable to women is the
relationship between father & son.
I think where the studio went "wrong" was in missing the boat on figuring out
who the key audience was. (from a quick on line survey it seems that 80% or
more of the regular viewers of TOS are women with families and NOT adolescent
males...)
I would have appreciated a little more accuracy but have addressed that
previously and don't care to again. Given the choice between the two I also
preferred TOS, but once in a while I did catch something beautiful and
unexpected on TLC (in particular the one where the Anchient wins the
Lottery....)
> > Only a fool sees the opinion of *One* as the fact of *All*,or even the
> > *Majority* opinion as the fact of *All*,just one Chinese person that likes
> > it proves you wrong,and I know three personally.
When you say "Even the Chinese laugh at it" that's where people are likely to
read in "Every single one of em..." and perhaps that's just miscommunication.
> > But,regardless of the so-called multitudes of people that you profess agree
> > with you,you can only lay claim to your own opinion,and frankly,I
> > disagree,from what I've seen,the following of TLC is bigger than TOS,but
> > many TLC fans enjoy TOS too,so that boost the numbers,not in this group I
> > fear,I've met several TLC fans erroneously afraid to post here
There's a TLC email list or two that are quite active. But also it seems that
most TLC viewers will also enjoy TOS, where the reverse doesn't seem to occur
nearly as often. The average TLC viewer is attracted to it by the
relationships between the characters, and sometimes DO laugh at some plot
devices. (in a few shows they poked fun at themselves) rather than the
accuracy of the philosophy or the fighting. It's not necessarily the same
audience that TOS was shooting for.
> > I'm not a mindless cow,content to follow a crowd anyway so the numbers and
> > opinions are meaningless.If the entire world hated it,means nothing to
> > me,I'd still love it the same,"water off a ducks back." so to speak.
No need to find excuses for loving something... =)
> > P.S... TLC was a hit,it never sank,it aged like anything else and it's
> > ratings began to wane,like anything else,the people began to move on,that's
locally the showing time kept jumping about... so it was hard to know exactly
when it would be on without hunting through the t.v. guide.
That pretty much kills ratings.
y,if they think they can make money off of fans you can be sure it'll
> > be given a better slot,there's no underground conspiracy to keep TOS
> > down,it's just business.
TLC viewers may also be more likely to write letters thanking the cable
network for showing it...
luth...@my-dejanews.com
tri...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > In article <iChc2.196$x5.33...@news1.i1.net>,
> > "Lady W" <NOSPAM...@geocities.net> wrote:
> Uhhh, I know I'm coming in a little late on this, but I know of 3 Chinese
> people who like the show. (It hasn't come up in conversation elsewhere so I
> may know a few more) Those three happen to be women, and in general in
> discussions, the thing that makes this show so viewable to women is the
> relationship between father & son.
3? Big sum. Women? Figures. (No sexism intended)
>
> I think where the studio went "wrong" was in missing the boat on figuring out
> who the key audience was. (from a quick on line survey it seems that 80% or
> more of the regular viewers of TOS are women with families and NOT adolescent
> males...)
TOS is an older show; figures.
>
> I would have appreciated a little more accuracy but have addressed that
> previously and don't care to again. Given the choice between the two I also
> preferred TOS, but once in a while I did catch something beautiful and
> unexpected on TLC (in particular the one where the Anchient wins the
> Lottery....)
Too modern.
>
> > > Only a fool sees the opinion of *One* as the fact of *All*,or even the
> > > *Majority* opinion as the fact of *All*,just one Chinese person that likes
> > > it proves you wrong,and I know three personally.
Three is a minority, no?
>
> When you say "Even the Chinese laugh at it" that's where people are likely to
> read in "Every single one of em..." and perhaps that's just miscommunication.
Just a comment. <snicker>
> > > with you,you can only lay claim to your own opinion,and frankly,I
> > > disagree,from what I've seen,the following of TLC is bigger than TOS,but
> > > many TLC fans enjoy TOS too,so that boost the numbers,not in this group I
> > > fear,I've met several TLC fans erroneously afraid to post here
Bigger following than TOS? That's awful. TLC lacks TOS' quality.
> There's a TLC email list or two that are quite active. But also it seems that
> most TLC viewers will also enjoy TOS, where the reverse doesn't seem to occur
> nearly as often. The average TLC viewer is attracted to it by the
> relationships between the characters, and sometimes DO laugh at some plot
> devices. (in a few shows they poked fun at themselves) rather than the
> accuracy of the philosophy or the fighting. It's not necessarily the same
> audience that TOS was shooting for.
"Martial Law" is better than TLC.
>
> > > P.S... TLC was a hit,it never sank,it aged like anything else and it's
> > > ratings began to wane,like anything else,the people began to move
on,that's
>
Hit only in syndication which means zilch.
>
> TLC viewers may also be more likely to write letters thanking the cable
> network for showing it...
TNT shows WARNER shows. Figures. That's only why.
Sky
Well, forget what was written. I've been trying not to get involved in this
particular thread, because I'm really against put flames in NG's (that's why I left
alt.philosophy.taoism). But on this one item I have to make a comment.
I am involved in both the Chinese and martial arts communities out here. Have I
ever heard ANYONE laugh at either TOS or TLC? No. What I hear is how wonderful it
it that oriental actors are finally able to find work on television and in the
movies. Is the Kung Fu shown not authentic? Some is, some isn't. But it does
either way it does help get new students for the kwoons and dojos and, um, (hold
your ears) IT'S A TELEVISION SHOW!!!. Are all of the followers middle-aged women?
Really don't think so. Most of the people I know who watch the show (with the
exception of those on this NG) are male and many are young. Chang (a very good
friend of mine) watches it with his father. Both are martial artists.
Are the supernatural things completely "out there"? No. What they are are a
graphic representation of what Shaolin can and do do. Most of the "supernatural"
side of it cannot be shown truthfully, because it would be impossible for it to
translate to a purely visible medium. Don't understand what I mean? Try describing
the taste of chocolate to someone who's never tasted it before, or the color red to
someone who cannot see. Considering the medium they had to work with, personally I
think they did a wonderful job of it.
Which series do I prefer? TOS. Why? I have my own personal reasons for that, but
I do still enjoy TLC. Those who say that they are "martial artists" and that the
supernatural side is completely fantasy have not gotten that far into the martial
arts. Wait about 20 years, truely get into it and study with the grand masters and
rokodans (sorry about the spelling on that one), have patience and an open mind and
then make your decision.
One thing about a closed mind - nothing new can ever get into it.
Also, in reply to Trinlay's comment about meditation, most Buddists believe that
whatever you see during meditation is not real. That is because they believe that
there is only the here/now. Tibetian Buddists and Toaists believe that these
visions have meaning. It's different between religions and cultures. It is up to
the individual to make their own decision on that.
Cindra
tri...@hotmail.com
luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <7665al$1c2$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> tri...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > discussions, the thing that makes this show so viewable to women is the
> > relationship between father & son.
>
> 3? Big sum. Women? Figures. (No sexism intended)
>
I think it's partly the Chris Potter Effect... =)
but women DO look for different things in shows than men generally do.
Why? I dunno!
>
> Too modern.
If the setting is modern it's not TOO modern, but if the preference is a
period piece, then there's no way TLC works for you.
> Three is a minority, no?
I'm currently not in contact with very many Chinese people on a regular basis,
and when I am, usually the conversation is not on the topic of TV or kung fu.
> >
> > When you say "Even the Chinese laugh at it" that's where people are likely to
> > read in "Every single one of em..." and perhaps that's just miscommunication.
>
> Just a comment. <snicker>
once in a while comments get misinterpreted, it happens.
>
> Bigger following than TOS? That's awful. TLC lacks TOS' quality.
IMHO it's not a more or less but rather a "different".
(in a few shows they poked fun at themselves) rather than the
> > accuracy of the philosophy or the fighting. It's not necessarily the same
> > audience that TOS was shooting for.
>
> "Martial Law" is better than TLC.
Ohhhh now I like that show very much... especially the idea of a middle aged
pudgy guy still well able to do the action stuff... =)
> Hit only in syndication which means zilch.
geesh, you're a rough one aina hey? don't happen to run a network do ya?
> > TLC viewers may also be more likely to write letters thanking the cable
> > network for showing it...
>
> TNT shows WARNER shows. Figures. That's only why.
But not necessarily all of em!
PQ Rada
children.
There was so much there,even now when I run my collection or those I copied I
find much to admire. I loved the characters in TLC because it expanded the
universe of Caine. The precinct folk became important to me. And his
increasing development as a sage,and his obvious attachment to Scalani. I do
not know how David is able to convey so much loving care to a woman just by his
eyes and smile but he does. God bless him. Thanks Cindra of the Sky.
tri...@hotmail.com
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> luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> Which series do I prefer? TOS. Why? I have my own personal reasons for that, but
> I do still enjoy TLC. Those who say that they are "martial artists" and that the
> supernatural side is completely fantasy have not gotten that far into the martial
> arts. Wait about 20 years, truely get into it and study with the grand masters and
> rokodans (sorry about the spelling on that one), have patience and an open mind and
> then make your decision.
But being TV the show has indeed gotten silly on occasion.
(My big question with a particular ep is just how the HECK did the kidnappers
get past the Dalai Lama's security?! zeesh! ;)
>
> One thing about a closed mind - nothing new can ever get into it.
>
> Also, in reply to Trinlay's comment about meditation, most Buddists believe that
> whatever you see during meditation is not real. That is because they believe that
> there is only the here/now. Tibetian Buddists and Toaists believe that these
> visions have meaning.
Excuse me, I'm a Tibetan Buddhist, and that's not quite right... it is both
that here and now is what counts... (don't have any control over the past or
the future but right now you can do something with...) MOST importantly
though visions or dreams that occur during meditations are 1) symptoms of
distractions from the meditative practice. 2) the ego playing sometimes very
nasty tricks on a person. (the visions are very often things that cater to
Ego desires, things that may make a meditator think that they are somehow
someone *special*, or cater to desires which distract from the purpose of
their practice.)
...and everyone gets them...even Buddha had a doozy with "Mara's
Daughters"... =)
With other traditions than Buddhism, mileage may vary.
It's different between religions and cultures. It is up to
> the individual to make their own decision on that.
tri...@hotmail.com
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> the individual to make their own decision on that.
>
yet...
In the context of Tibetan Buddhism:
... Now while visions/dreams that arise during meditation are illusions and
misleading. Visualizations are constructed by the meditator and are
something quite different than a 'vision'. <I like to use the term "role
modeling" to describe what is happening in visualizations.> Likewise, a
seer, or oracle, or other sort of mental-divination process is something
different than what is usually referred to as meditation in the Buddhist
context. What most folks think of as meditation, is Vipassina/Zazen/Shineh
which is a very good meditation process, and all the other meditation
practices build on it.
luth...@my-dejanews.com
> Which series do I prefer? TOS. Why? I have my own personal reasons for
that, but
> I do still enjoy TLC. Those who say that they are "martial artists" and that
the
> supernatural side is completely fantasy have not gotten that far into the
martial
> arts. Wait about 20 years, truely get into it and study with the grand
masters and
> rokodans (sorry about the spelling on that one), have patience and an open
mind and
> then make your decision.
>
> One thing about a closed mind - nothing new can ever get into it.
>
> Also, in reply to Trinlay's comment about meditation, most Buddists believe
that
> whatever you see during meditation is not real. That is because they believe
that
> there is only the here/now. Tibetian Buddists and Toaists believe that these
> visions have meaning. It's different between religions and cultures. It is
up to
> the individual to make their own decision on that.
>
> Cindra
You didn't mention what "martial arts" you have been affiliating yourself
with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna) and
Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight scenes).
Chow appeared in the KF pilot film and Yuen appeared in the series later on.
TOS is a true classic whereas TLC is not.
As a matter of fact, I have a background in martial arts dating back
twenty years. I know what I am saying when I say TOS is a classic and great,
and TLC is the opposite of that. That TLC would inspire anyone to take
a martial art is unclear, because it is mainly a police show (thanks to Chris
Potter and Robert Lansing) with a modern-day Shaolin monk added in to distin-
guish it from other police series.
I follow Steven Seagal, Jean Claude Van Damme and Jackie Chan films; years
ago I followed Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris films. Bruce Lee at one time
wanted the role of Caine but instead David Carradine (at the time an actor
and ballet dancer) received the role because Lee was Chinese and at the time
American TV was not ready for a Chinese actor as the main character of a TV
show (Lee had been a sidekick (Kato)to "The Green Hornet" in 1966-67).
TLC seems to be not a continuation of the TOS saga but instead a TV
offering in the age of Seagal-Van Damme films.
One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to understand
this.
Sky
> luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
> <76m0k0$9er$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > You didn't mention what "martial arts" you have been affiliating
> yourself
> > with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna)
> and
> > Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight
> scenes).
> > Chow appeared in the KF pilot film and Yuen appeared in the series later
> on.
> > TOS is a true classic whereas TLC is not.
>
> Cindra works as a personal assistant to Kam Yuen!
>
Hey Ruth! Gotta tell you, Kam and I were sitting here reading Luther's post
together a few minutes ago. Kam's comment was something about that the very
same things that were said this time about TLC were also said about TOS.
Nothing new under the sun.
> > Bruce Lee at one time wanted the role of Caine but instead David
> Carradine
> > (at the time an actor and ballet dancer) received the role
> > Luther
>
> David Carradine was into tap-dancing (because he had for so long admired
> Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly), he had wanted lessons and his father told
> him "no son of mine will earn a living with his feet" <--- that was taken
> from
> David's book Endless Highway.
>
Don't forget the part that Bruce's advisors told him not to do the show.
You didn't mention what "martial arts" you have been affiliating
yourself
with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna) and
Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight
scenes).
Chow appeared in the KF pilot film and Yuen appeared in the series later
on.
TOS is a true classic whereas TLC is not.
I am Shaolin Tai Mantis from ShaolinWest International and, as Ruth mentioned
before, have been Kam's personal assistant for more than a year. And, for your
sole information, I asked Sifu about this comment of yours and he strongly
disagrees with this statement. If you want to ask him yourself, e-mail him.
I've posted his e-male address several times on this NG as well as his home
page (which for the moment is linked to mine). As far as how DC himself sees
the shows compared to each other, I'll ask him next time I see him.
As a matter of fact, I have a background in martial arts dating back
twenty years. I know what I am saying when I say TOS is a classic and
great,
and TLC is the opposite of that. That TLC would inspire anyone to take
a martial art is unclear, because it is mainly a police show (thanks to
Chris
Potter and Robert Lansing) with a modern-day Shaolin monk added in to
distin-
guish it from other police series.
What you have said is a matter of opinion - not a matter of fact. Kam, whose
martial arts history goes back more than 50 years and is 35th generation
shaolin, has strongly disagreed with this. Opinion and fact are not the same
thing.
I follow Steven Seagal, Jean Claude Van Damme and Jackie Chan films;
years
ago
Why? This is supposed to impress? None of these are known as Martial Arts
Masters in the Chinese community. They are known as actors - bad actores at
that - who can do things like the horizontal splits.
I followed Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris films.
Did you know Kam used to teach Chuck Norris, also? Just a little note.
Bruce Lee at one time
wanted the role of Caine but instead David Carradine (at the time an actor
and ballet dancer) received the role because Lee was Chinese and at the
time
American TV was not ready for a Chinese actor as the main character of a
TV
show (Lee had been a sidekick (Kato)to "The Green Hornet" in 1966-67).
Bruce Lee was mainly an actor, son of an actor, also, I believe, and has never
been looked with any reverence upon by most of the Chinese martial arts
community. He was thought of as someone trying to make money with a "sacred"
secret and that he wasn't that good at it anyway. Everything you have said
about TLC was, basically said first about BL.
TLC seems to be not a continuation of the TOS saga but instead a TV
offering in the age of Seagal-Van Damme films.
No, it is a totally different show, a different age, a different generation.
It was never meant to be a "continuation" as you have put it. It was not meant
to be a re-hashing of the old show. Like it or hate it, it was meant to be a
totally different kind of show.
One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to
understand
this.
Then, stop screaming. And, please, do not put opinion forward as fact any
more. You should know that most of us know a lot more about MA than you might
expect. You know we have a - 9th level? - Rokodan on the list, as well as a
grand master, and many of us know a lot more than we ever let on. Modesty and
humility are good qualities, too.
In spirit,
Cindra
Sky
> Ruth wrote:
>
> > luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
> > <76m0k0$9er$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> > > You didn't mention what "martial arts" you have been affiliating
> > yourself
> > > with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna)
> > and
> > > Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight
> > scenes).
Kam never double for DC in any fight scenes. He did, however, double for Blind
Master Po...
BTW, last time I saw David Chow (at Kam's second anniversary party), he was also
content with TLC.
In case you have any doubts about my validity, I can always supply pictures, or
just ask Dr. Yuen himself.
Ruth
<76m0k0$9er$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> You didn't mention what "martial arts" you have been affiliating
yourself
> with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna)
and
> Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight
scenes).
on.
> TOS is a true classic whereas TLC is not.
Cindra works as a personal assistant to Kam Yuen!
> Bruce Lee at one time wanted the role of Caine but instead David
Carradine
> (at the time an actor and ballet dancer) received the role
> Luther
David Carradine was into tap-dancing (because he had for so long admired
Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly), he had wanted lessons and his father told
him "no son of mine will earn a living with his feet" <--- that was taken
from
David's book Endless Highway.
Ruth in Ontario, Canada
tri...@hotmail.com
luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <368A9731...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna) and
> Kam Yuen (who personally taught DC and doubled for him in TOS fight scenes)
ROTFLET...
If I recall correctly Ms. Sky is a student of Mr. Yuen...
That TLC would inspire anyone to take
> a martial art is unclear, because it is mainly a police show (thanks to Chris
> Potter and Robert Lansing) with a modern-day Shaolin monk added in to distin-
> guish it from other police series.
If you don't like it, that's fine, but it's really no valid reason to put down
someonelse's liking it.
< I've just been observing, and occasionally adding comments to a long
running discussion between scholars in regards to the Pali cannon so if I
sound like I'm in that kind of discussion, that's where I've been.>
>
> I follow Steven Seagal, Jean Claude Van Damme and Jackie Chan films; years
> ago I followed Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris films.
Kung fu FILMS are resource material ?!
I think that any of the above would be somewhat disturbed to hear that you
follow them based on the film material. Mr.Segal has often commented that
one has to make the movies that the studios want to make, and not necessarily
the movies that the artist would like to make. (He was the topic of a rather
heated discussion on alt.religion.buddhism.tibetan in the last year or so,
I'm withholding any commentary on the question until I've gotten to see him
face to face. I wouldn't be able to make a determination otherwise.)
Bruce Lee at one time
> wanted the role of Caine but instead David Carradine (at the time an actor
> and ballet dancer) received the role because Lee was Chinese and at the time
> American TV was not ready for a Chinese actor as the main character of a TV
> show (Lee had been a sidekick (Kato)to "The Green Hornet" in 1966-67).
Which I've also heard. But how does this make a commentary supporting TOS?
> TLC seems to be not a continuation of the TOS saga but instead a TV
> offering in the age of Seagal-Van Damme films.
If this is supposed to be an anti-TLC commentary, why do you refer to
Van Damme and Seagal as people whose films you follow?
>
> One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to understand
> this.
>
wow! now there's a wierd and criptic statement.
Likewise, one COULD argue that TOS is merely a western with a Shaolin
thrown in to liven things up.
tri...@hotmail.com
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> Hey Ruth! Gotta tell you, Kam and I were sitting here reading Luther's post
> together a few minutes ago. Kam's comment was something about that the very
> same things that were said this time about TLC were also said about TOS.
> Nothing new under the sun.
(waving to Cindra & Kam)
=) Including Confucious, though It's good to see him on the net. =)
> > David Carradine was into tap-dancing (because he had for so long admired
> > Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly), he had wanted lessons and his father told
> > him "no son of mine will earn a living with his feet" <--- that was taken
> > from
> > David's book Endless Highway.
IMHO, wouldn't want to get kicked by a dancer....ever seen the muscles in a
dancer's legs. (and dancers, from any style, seem to pick up Wu-shu
wonderfully fast. though I kinda think the "Ballet dancer" bit was a way of
suggesting sissy-ness which seems out of place from a supposed fan of TOS.)
Trinlay Khadro
(who enjoys both series in different ways.)
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tri...@hotmail.com wrote:
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> luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> > In article <368A9731...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> > cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
yourself
> > with. TOS featured the talents of David Chow (who did Shaolin Chinna) and
>
> ROTFLET...
>
> If I recall correctly Ms. Sky is a student of Mr. Yuen...
Good for her.
> Kung fu FILMS are resource material ?!
Why not? "Five Fingers of Death," "The Chinese Professionals",
"The Five Deadly Venoms," "Seven Blows of the Dragon," "Master
of the Flying Guillotine" and "Iron Monkey" are just several of many fine
Kung-Fu film classics put out by Hong Kong. Some were fantasies
while others told stories featuring authentic Chinese boxing.
> I think that any of the above would be somewhat disturbed to hear that you
> follow them based on the film material. Mr.Segal has often comm ented
that
> one has to make the movies that the studios want to make, and not necessarily
> the movies that the artist would like to make.
Maybe so but two films inspired by Bruce Lee (Lee Jun Fan)
saw the silver screen after his death..."The Silent Flute" became
"Circle of Iron" (originally, it was conceived by Bruce Lee,
James Coburn and Sterling Silliphant) and "The Game of Death,"
the latter featuring real foortage shot with Bruce's student-partner,
Dan Inosanto, himself a master of the Filipino martial arts.
> Which I've also heard. But how does this make a commentary supporting TOS?
Well, had Bruce made "The Warrior" instead of DC, it would have turned out
quite differently. Maybe Chow and Yuen would not have the ones to do thethe
fight scenes. Bruce was quite adept in his own right; he was already a star
in the Orient with his films. He also wrote "The Tao of Jeet Kune Do" which
is revered by martial artists.
> If this is supposed to be an anti-TLC commentary, why do you refer to
> Van Damme and Seagal as people whose films you follow?
Why not? Then let's use Jackie Chan and
Samo Hung.
> > One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to understand
> > this.
> wow! now there's a wierd and criptic statement.
A statement playing on philosophy.
> Likewise, one COULD argue that TOS is merely a western with a Shaolin
> thrown in to liven things up.
Coming from someone who doesn't like Westerns? Have you ever seen
"The Stranger and the Gunfighter" with Lee Van Cleef and Lo Lieh ("Five
Fingers of Death")?
;-)
luth...@my-dejanews.com
> >
> > David Carradine was into tap-dancing (because he had for so long admired
> > Fred Astaire and Gene Kelly), he had wanted lessons and his father told
> > him "no son of mine will earn a living with his feet" <--- that was taken
> > from
> > David's book Endless Highway.
I read that book.
> Don't forget the part that Bruce's advisors told him not to do the show.
Bruce was already a star in the Orient.
> I am Shaolin Tai Mantis from ShaolinWest International and, as Ruth mentioned
> before, have been Kam's personal assistant for more than a year. And, for
your
> sole information, I asked Sifu about this comment of yours and he strongly
> disagrees with this statement. If you want to ask him yourself, e-mail him.
> I've posted his e-male address several times on this NG as well as his home
> page (which for the moment is linked to mine). As far as how DC himself sees
> the shows compared to each other, I'll ask him next time I see him.
My background is in Hung Gar, Tai Chi Chuan and Arnis.
> What you have said is a matter of opinion - not a matter of fact. Kam, whose
> martial arts history goes back more than 50 years and is 35th generation
> shaolin, has strongly disagreed with this. Opinion and fact are not the same
> thing.
Kung fu came from India. Did you know this?
> Why? This is supposed to impress? None of these are known as Martial Arts
> Masters in the Chinese community. They are known as actors - bad actores at
> that - who can do things like the horizontal splits.
So what? They do a great job on the silver screen.
> I followed Bruce Lee and Chuck Norris films.
> Did you know Kam used to teach Chuck Norris, also?
Fine. The same way Bruce taught Jim Coburn and Steve McQueen.
> Bruce Lee at one time
Fine. Bruce learned as well from Yip Man. But Bruce was
open-minded and many traditional Chinese artists hated him
for it. They were also jealous of the immense fame he
garnered. -
r as the ma
> Bruce Lee was mainly an actor, son of an actor, also, I believe, and has never
> been looked with any reverence upon by most of the Chinese martial arts
> community. He was thought of as someone trying to make money with a "sacred"
> secret and that he wasn't that good at it anyway. Everything you have said
> about TLC was, basically said first about BL.
Wasn't good? The man was a philosopher and a finely honed
martial artist.
> TLC seems to be not a continuation of the TOS saga but instead a TV
> offering in the age of Seagal-Van Damme films.
>
> No, it is a totally different show, a different age, a different generation.
> It was never meant to be a "continuation" as you have put it. It was not
meant
> to be a re-hashing of the old show. Like it or hate it, it was meant to be a
> totally different kind of show.
What about "Kung Fu: The Movie" with DC and Brandon Lee?
That was fine.
> One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to
> understand
> this.
>
> Then, stop screaming. And, please, do not put opinion forward as fact any
> more. You should know that most of us know a lot more about MA than you might
> expect. You know we have a - 9th level? - Rokodan on the list, as well as a
> grand master, and many of us know a lot more than we ever let on. Modesty and
> humility are good qualities, too.
>
> In spirit,
> Cindra
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luth...@my-dejanews.com
cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> > > What you have said is a matter of opinion - not a matter of fact. Kam,
whose
> > > martial arts history goes back more than 50 years and is 35th generation
> > > shaolin, has strongly disagreed with this. Opinion and fact are not the
same
> > > thing.
> > Kung fu came from India. Did you know this?
It's a fact, not an opinion.
> > > Why? This is supposed to impress? None of these are known as Martial
Arts
> > > Masters in the Chinese community. They are known as actors - bad actores
at
> > > that - who can do things like the horizontal splits.
> >
> > So what? They do a great job on the silver screen.
You want to separate Chinese actors from American actors? Fine.
Samo Hung and Jackie Chan are masters. Fact, not opinion.
> And DC has done a great job in BOTH series.
According to you.
> > > Bruce Lee was mainly an actor, son of an actor, also, I believe, and has
never
> > > been looked with any reverence upon by most of the Chinese martial arts
> > > community. He was thought of as someone trying to make money with a
"sacred"
> > > secret and that he wasn't that good at it anyway.
Shame on you. He was Chinese, full-blooded.
> >
> > Wasn't good? The man was a philosopher and a finely honed
> > martial artist.
> >
>
> But that is not the point. The point is that this is what others have said
about
> him - their opinions - just like all you have said is also opinion.
> >
> > What about "Kung Fu: The Movie" with DC and Brandon Lee?
> > That was fine.
> >
>
> Why? Because it was a re-hashing of the old series?
Yes, maybe because it was. Not quite a rehasing but a continuation on the
same wavelength it began with. Not the sweep into the next century into
a different time period, way after the turn of the century.
Is it that you are very
afraid
> of change?
The way Bruce changed kung fu to adjust it to modern times?
Or is it simply because you like to trash TV shows?
Poor TV shows, yes. Masybe I'm a classical man when it comes to
TV. Don't get off the wavelength.
Which is what most of these awful alt.tv groups do. They to be
eliminated.
sodb...@my-dejanews.com
cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
> > luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
> > <76m0k0$9er$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> What you have said is a matter of opinion - not a matter of fact. Kam, whose
> martial arts history goes back more than 50 years and is 35th generation
> shaolin, has strongly disagreed with this. Opinion and fact are not the same
> thing.
>
> Bruce Lee was mainly an actor, son of an actor, also, I believe, and has never
> been looked with any reverence upon by most of the Chinese martial arts
> community. He was thought of as someone trying to make money with a "sacred"
> secret and that he wasn't that good at it anyway. Everything you have said
> about TLC was, basically said first about BL.
> One doesn't have to kneel and wait to hear the ants scream to
> understand
> this.
>
> Then, stop screaming. And, please, do not put opinion forward as fact any
> more. You should know that most of us know a lot more about MA than you might
> expect. You know we have a - 9th level? - Rokodan on the list, as well as a
> grand master, and many of us know a lot more than we ever let on. Modesty and
> humility are good qualities, too.
Well, so much for an opinion from a traditionalist.
Bruce Lee, sometimes fondly referred to as "The Little Dragon," was born
in San Francisco in the Year of the Dragon, 1940. He was of Chinese heritage
but an American by birth. A man who reached the zenith of his martial arts
career in far less time than it takes most martial artists (even kung fu
men). His never-ending desire to practice, experiment, practice, experiment.
He deserves respect for his contribution to the Chinese community though
they shunned him due to his electic nature and making kung fu (gung-fu if
you please) available to Westerners, since there was a closed-door policy on
the teaching of Gung-Fu to Westerners. He was the man who broke the race
barrier when it came to action movies worldwide, a Chinese Clint Eastwood.
Chinese actors and actresses today are accepted readily into the American
film industry, with far more respect than they were before Bruce's mark.
Never mind that Nancy Kwan had been an accomplished actress before Bruce was
known. So he was not revered by his own people? He didn't care and even
defended his position when challenged by a traditional kung fu man who he
defeated. It was almost as if he knew his days were numbered and his destiny
was the rise to fame which would be cut short. He married an American
Caucasian wife who bore him two children; a boy, Brandon, and a girl,
Shannon. Both children went on to practice kung fu.
Some fine Bruce Lee sites (if you wish to enjoy):
http://isis.infinet.com/rinpoche/brucelee.htm
http://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~chej/brucelee/bruce_links.html
Sky
> In article <368EE622...@postoffice.pacbell.net>,
> cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
>
> > > luth...@my-dejanews.com wrote in article
> > > <76m0k0$9er$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>
>
> Well, so much for an opinion from a traditionalist.
>
I am going to take the chance that you are not just Luther in another guise here and
answer you - but only once. I can tell you have not read this thread completely or
you would have known that what I was responding to is the fact that this "Luther"
joker had said that "Everyone in the Chinese community laughes at Kung Fu and DC" or
something along those lines, then comes in talking about western and eastern martial
artists as though they have been his masters. He also mentioned my master, who was
sitting here reading the post with me at that time, and incorrectly identified him
as DC's stand-in. It made my master a bit angry. All I had said was that all the
things he was saying about TLC had first been said about TOS and before that, about
BL.
Because Luther does not like TLC - or, if you read his other posts to
alt.tv.the.man.from.uncle, just about anything, he likes to flame on until someone
will finally respond to him. He expresses opinion as fact and then treats us as
though we are idiots. EVERYONE on this NG knows that the original teachings of Kung
Fu came from India. In fact, if he had bothered to look at Sifu Yuen's web page at
all, he would see that Sifu put that down as part of his history of Shaolin.
This Luther is putting himself up as some kind of Martial Artist with 20 years
training when it is clear from reading his posts that it would be hard to imagine
that he is even 20 years old, does not have the discipline of his tongue that a
first year MA student learns, and has probably gotten all of his "training" by
watching MA movies and TV shows.
Further, he has tried to make it sound as though I am prejudiced against Chinese and
other races - a very laughable statement indeed. Unfortunately, he is not
colorblind as I was raised to be and as I raised my son to be.
If, at any time, this Luther HAS taken MA classes, I would venture to say that all
but a few moves have eluded him. He seems not to have picked up any of the
philosophy, tolerance, outlooks, humility, or self-control that is the hallmark of a
true martial artist.
So, before you come to any rash decisions regarding any post, please be responsible
enough to read ALL of the thread and not depend upon the few chosen lines and
responses of one who is trying nothing more than to cause dissention and feel as
though he has the "power" of facelessness.
And to everyone else at the NG, I hope your New Year continues to be bright and
promising. As you can tell, I have made a New Year's resolution not to put up with
any more drivel and not to be the peacemaker any longer. The warrior has returned
with a vengence.
In spirit,
Cindra
tri...@hotmail.com
> > > What you have said is a matter of opinion - not a matter of fact. Kam, whose
> > > martial arts history goes back more than 50 years and is 35th generation
> > > shaolin, has strongly disagreed with this. Opinion and fact are not the same
> > > thing.
Opinions, are subjective (arise from the viewer) rather that objective
(inherent in the item viewed).
Slamming one show as a "failure that nobody watched" is attempting to
portray an opinion as a fact. It's probably much more effective to say
something like "IMHO, the show sucked and didn't measure up to the other
one." Or "IMHO, coming to the show, with expectations based on the other one,
led to my being dissapointed."
> >
> > Kung fu came from India. Did you know this?
and the point is? (by the way, to compare the "warrior yoga" that MIGHT have
come with Bodhidharma, with Wu Shu as it existed in the centuries after that
is comparing apples and oranges. The one might have arisen out of the other,
but each developed over time on their own. )
Documentation on the earliest origins of Wu Shu are vague at best, and
historians can debate them all day... there's not enough documentation to
prove or disprove the theories.
> > So what? They do a great job on the silver screen.
I'm kinda confused here too... wasn't he on the one hand listing them as
his resource material and on the other hand slamming them?
> > Wasn't good? The man was a philosopher and a finely honed
> > martial artist.
A subjective opinion and not necessarily supportable when viewed as a part
of a broader context.
> > What about "Kung Fu: The Movie" with DC and Brandon Lee?
> > That was fine.
> >
>
> Why? Because it was a re-hashing of the old series? Is it that you are very
I actually kinda liked the idea of a new series coming out of that movie.
(sort of Kung Fu the next Generation)... We got to see a specific time in
history covered surprisingly well in KF1, and if that had been a series we
would have continued to see American history unfolding... KF TOS, was "the
settlement of the west" (and attendant conflicts, issues etc often handled
with sensitivity)... Brandon Lee's character could have been a POV to observe
the development of the far west.... While TLC is pretty much in the same
terrain, but with it already developed and with it's own sort of culture
established.
afraid
> of change? Or is it simply because you like to trash TV shows? IMHO, we
Lots of beings fear change, change means risk (in the case of TV risk of
dissapointment) ....
It took awhile for me to learn what to expect from TLC, judging it by it's
own merits and failings rather than holding it up to TOS's ruler. (the
Format's are very different,besides the time difference...but they do
overlap.)
> the same thing they did to you at alt.tv.man-from-uncle - simply ignore you. I
tsk! Cindra... he can build a new history on this newsgroup without that
following him I should hope, but if he's building on the same kind of
behavior and attitudes he may see similar results.
<I've got a very different life on other newsgroups, and would find it Odd
indeed to see conversations/debates from one of the others following me
here.>
Michael Anderson
their e-mail?
Kind of a hostile gesture methinks!
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luth...@my-dejanews.com
tri...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Opinions, are subjective (arise from the viewer) rather that objective
> (inherent in the item viewed).
Well put.
> Slamming one show as a "failure that nobody watched" is attempting to
> portray an opinion as a fact. It's probably much more effective to say
> something like "IMHO, the show sucked and didn't measure up to the other
> one." Or "IMHO, coming to the show, with expectations based on the other one,
> led to my being dissapointed."
IMHO, TLC was not up to par with TOS.
DC knows more today about kung fu (praying mantis) and tai chi than he did
at the time of TOS (he was just beginning); why he's put out videos about
kung fu and tai chi. I'm not slamming that. I still respect him for who he
is, not who he played on TLC (IMHO it wasn't the same Caine).
I'll have you know I watched far more than just one or two episodes-I must
have seen at least one or two seasons if not more, but was still
disappointed that this was not the same show only a decade or two later. It
was sadly a century later. And it's not due to any fear of change. TLC was
playing on the "The Next Generation" approach as done with a certain popular
space series, and IMHO it didn't live up to the expectations I had, even
though I did watch TLC. I never looked forward to seeing the episodes again
in reruns as I did with TOS when it was on ABC-TV in the 70s.
> > > Kung fu came from India. Did you know this?
> and the point is? (by the way, to compare the "warrior yoga" that MIGHT have
> come with Bodhidharma, with Wu Shu as it existed in the centuries after that
> is comparing apples and oranges. The one might have arisen out of the other,
> but each developed over time on their own. )
> Documentation on the earliest origins of Wu Shu are vague at best, and
> historians can debate them all day... there's not enough documentation to
> prove or disprove the theories.
Wu Shu means warrior art while kung fu means hard work or time spent.
Kung Fu became a bastardized term when used in the Western world. But Wu Shu
is an art in itself, displayed at tournaments.
The martial art in India is kalari-payit, but kung fu was born in India,
when a monk was sent to India to find exercises for Temple Monks in China
who fell asleep while meditating. "The Eighteen Hands of Lohan" are to
have developed from these exercises.
> > > So what? They do a great job on the silver screen.
>
> I'm kinda confused here too... wasn't he on the one hand listing them as
> his resource material and on the other hand slamming them?
Two separate meanings were accidentally linked together and taken as such.
Steven Seagal and J.C. Van Damme are non-kung fu martial art action adventure
films begun as of 1988. The Chinese martial arts film classics of the 70's
featured films produced by Run Run Shaw (Shaw Bros)as well as Golden
Harvest (Lo Wei), the outfit which produced Master Lee's films. But these I
watched for entertainment purposes, not to supposedly learn kung-fu from.
Although you ask any young person who viewed these action thrillers in
those days would leave the theatre feeling pretty bad (macho), due to the
effect those films could have on viewers who were addicted to them.
> > > Wasn't good? The man was a philosopher and a finely honed
> > > martial artist.
> A subjective opinion and not necessarily supportable when viewed as a part
> of a broader context.
"Wasn't good" is also a subjective opinion. But his knowledge can be
seen in the manuscripts he left behind as a legacy. The man has been dead
since 7/73, he is not alive to prove that statement wrong.
> > > What about "Kung Fu: The Movie" with DC and Brandon Lee?
> > > That was fine.
> I actually kinda liked the idea of a new series coming out of that movie.
> (sort of Kung Fu the next Generation)... We got to see a specific time in
> history covered surprisingly well in KF1, and if that had been a series we
> would have continued to see American history unfolding... KF TOS, was "the
> settlement of the west" (and attendant conflicts, issues etc often handled
> with sensitivity)... Brandon Lee's character could have been a POV to observe
> the development of the far west.... While TLC is pretty much in the same
> terrain, but with it already developed and with it's own sort of culture
> established.
It is this "it's own sort of culture established" which divides those
who are loyal to TOS and those who are partial to TLC.
>
> afraid
> > of change? Or is it simply because you like to trash TV shows? IMHO, we
>
> Lots of beings fear change, change means risk (in the case of TV risk of
> dissapointment) ....
Well spoken; yes, change can bring about much disappointment. For this
reason, people may prefer theatrical features to the small screen. It's
"bigger."
> It took awhile for me to learn what to expect from TLC, judging it by it's
> own merits and failings rather than holding it up to TOS's ruler. (the
> Format's are very different,besides the time difference...but they do
> overlap.)
IMHO some flashbacks, but not the same.
>
> > the same thing they did to you at alt.tv.man-from-uncle - simply ignore you.
I
We are concerned with THIS group, not alt.tv.so-and-so-or-else.
> tsk! Cindra... he can build a new history on this newsgroup without that
> following him I should hope, but if he's building on the same kind of
> behavior and attitudes he may see similar results.
Judging a person on mere behavior and attitudes is a quick approach, yes?
> <I've got a very different life on other newsgroups, and would find it Odd
> indeed to see conversations/debates from one of the others following me
> here.>
Why should someone have to follow someone else to another group to
harass that individual?
Different life? The Internet is not the "real world." One person can
have many lives on the Internet, but don't let it allow for you to
lose reality in the real world.
L
luth...@my-dejanews.com
cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
n that what I was responding to is the fact that this
"Luther"
> joker had said that "Everyone in the Chinese community laughes at Kung Fu and
DC" or
> something along those lines, then comes in talking about western and eastern
martial
> artists as though they have been his masters.
Kung Fu films were the Orient's counterpart of American and Italian
cowboy western films. Robin Hood-like sagas filled with adventure.
Kam Yuen was only referred to as being a vital part of TOS. There was no
negative reference made to him in any manner. Although I have not seen his
webpage, I am aware he is a master. Don't put words in my mouth. There
was no mention of him being a stand-in; only that he doubled at times in
the latter part of TOS in the more difficult fight sequences? Correct me
if I am wrong. I believe he appeared in "Blood of the Dragon."
It made my master a bit angry. Sorry to hear that; no offense was
deliberately intended.
>
> Because Luther does not like TLC - or, if you read his other posts to
> alt.tv.the.man.from.uncle, just about anything, he likes to flame on until
someone
> will finally respond to him. He expresses opinion as fact and then treats us
as
> though we are idiots. EVERYONE on this NG knows that the original teachings
of Kung
> Fu came from India. In fact, if he had bothered to look at Sifu Yuen's web
page at
> all, he would see that Sifu put that down as part of his history of Shaolin.
Should I have looked at the webpage at the spur of the moment?
> This Luther is putting himself up as some kind of Martial Artist with 20 years
> training when it is clear from reading his posts that it would be hard to
imagine
> that he is even 20 years old, does not have the discipline of his tongue that
a
> first year MA student learns, and has probably gotten all of his "training" by
> watching MA movies and TV shows.
Ah, but I am proud to say I received instruction from a disciple of
Master Frank Yee (Chee Wai Yee) of the Tang Fung Hung Gar system. I even took
a special seminar from Sifu Yee along with this.
>
> Further, he has tried to make it sound as though I am prejudiced against
Chinese and
> other races - a very laughable statement indeed. Unfortunately, he is not
> colorblind as I was raised to be and as I raised my son to be.
An impression you unfortunately received. I am not without any bias, I
I will admit. We are all allowed to have our biases. But when I originally
mentioned the word "minority," it was not as "a race of people," but a
"low number of people," in this case, supposed viewers, without any bearing
whatsoever on race or skin tone. But not, I am not always 100% colorblind,
and Chinese are the least I could ever be prejudiced against. I have had the
pleasure of meeting various people, if sometimes for only a brief period of
time...Chinese, Filipino, Vietnamese...even once acquainted myself with a
person of a mixed heritage-Chinese-Mexican, who looked Chinese but considered
himself more Mexican.
> If, at any time, this Luther HAS taken MA classes, I would venture to say that
all
> but a few moves have eluded him. He seems not to have picked up any of the
> philosophy, tolerance, outlooks, humility, or self-control that is the
hallmark of a
> true martial artist.
And you get this impression so quickly and suddenly?
>
> So, before you come to any rash decisions regarding any post, please be
responsible
> enough to read ALL of the thread and not depend upon the few chosen lines and
> responses of one who is trying nothing more than to cause dissention and feel
as
> though he has the "power" of facelessness.
And what if a person at times has no time to read the entire thread?
> And to everyone else at the NG, I hope your New Year continues to be bright
and
> promising. As you can tell, I have made a New Year's resolution not to put up
with
> any more drivel and not to be the peacemaker any longer. The warrior has
returned
> with a vengence.
Sounds very hostile, yes?
tri...@hotmail.com
Chig...@webtv.net (Michael Anderson) wrote:
> btw, Is it just me, or is everybody getting more of this drivel in
> their e-mail?
> Kind of a hostile gesture methinks!
Hey! no fair! I haven't gotten ANY email!
=)
luth...@my-dejanews.com
> Kam never double for DC in any fight scenes. He did, however, double for
Blind
> Master Po...
>
or
> just ask Dr. Yuen himself.
Ah so, Grasshopper. Mister Yuen did double...
I rather thought Keye Luke could do some moves...he was Kato at one time?
Sorry, no time.
"No Time"
~Guess Who (Canadian rock band), 1969-70
Lu
sodb...@my-dejanews.com
> > Then, stop screaming. And, please, do not put opinion forward as fact any
> > more. You should know that most of us know a lot more about MA than you might
> > expect. You know we have a - 9th level? - Rokodan on the list, as well as a
> > grand master, and many of us know a lot more than we ever let on. Modesty and
> > humility are good qualities, too.
As if yours truly did not know.
Ah, but true Gung-Fu has no rank, other than student, disciple and
teacher. Belts are from the Japanese, and sashes are only for supporting
your pants. Kung Fu does take a lifetime.
Ah so, Grasshopper
:-)
Robinvid
Robin <:0)
Zai Chien!
"it is like a finga pointing a way to da moon...DONT concentrate on the finga
or you will miss all that heavennlllly gloorrrry......"-Bruce was and is the
greatest martial artist who ever lived.....Bruce Lee, never forgotten.
Sky
> > > Then, stop screaming. And, please, do not put opinion forward as fact any
> > > more. You should know that most of us know a lot more about MA than you might
> > > expect. You know we have a - 9th level? - Rokodan on the list, as well as a
> > > grand master, and many of us know a lot more than we ever let on. Modesty and
> > > humility are good qualities, too.
>
> As if yours truly did not know.
>
> Ah, but true Gung-Fu has no rank, other than student, disciple and
> teacher. Belts are from the Japanese, and sashes are only for supporting
> your pants. Kung Fu does take a lifetime.
>
Thank you for the re-education. I'm afraid that this is not something I learned since
for all intents and purposes I live at a kwoon and I work every day with a grand
master. I really needed you to tell me these things. And yes, this is sarcasim.
Yes, the Rokudan does not study kung fu, he does study Japanese martial arts. The
Grand Master is Kam Yuen himself who is Shaolin.
Sky.
sodb...@my-dejanews.com
cin...@pacbell.net wrote:
> >
> > Ah, but true Gung-Fu has no rank, other than student, disciple and
> > teacher. Belts are from the Japanese, and sashes are only for supporting
> > your pants. Kung Fu does take a lifetime.
> >
>
> Thank you for the re-education. I'm afraid that this is not something I learned since
> for all intents and purposes I live at a kwoon and I work every day with a grand
> master. I really needed you to tell me these things. And yes, this is sarcasim.
> Yes, the Rokudan does not study kung fu, he does study Japanese martial arts. The
> Grand Master is Kam Yuen himself who is Shaolin.
You are welcome. No, a Rodokan does not exist in Gung-Fu. Yet you mentioned
it. I'm happy for your Shaolin Grand Master. Indeed my own sifu informed me
that sashes are for supporting your kidneys, a health reason. The rank bit
has been over commercialized for monetary purposes. <If your Master ranks
students, that is his sole choice>
Oh yes. Chan Poi is another fine Grand Master whose students may live in
his kwoon. There have been times where a sifu may allow students he knows
very well to stay at his home,
You should not allow anything to appear as sarcastic to you. This is mere
communication on a computer.
Shaolin is in the Mandarin; Sil Lum is in the Cantonese. You are northern
Shaolin. My sif once informed me there is sometimes a division between
northern and southern Shaolin people. The northerns think the southerns are
crazy and the southerns think the northerns are only intellectuals. Of
course, this does not always hold true, so please do not take this as
sarcasm.
Sod