3rd Season Heroes - Dying of the Light - 5 star poll - SPOILERS AHOY !
George Avalos
10-20-08 Heroes
5 stars (TOLD by God)
0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
-George
onuallae
jewahe
4.25.
The action slowed down a bit in this episode, but things still moved
along fairly nicely. A lot of surprises, and Doyle was extremely creepy.
--
JWH
DJensen
First decent episode of the season.
Hiro proves he's not a total twit by using his power to trick the
baddies in a way we all suspected he had last week. And the scenes
with the shovels were funny. Unfortunately he finally dropped his
arbitrary rule against going to the past to do the least important
thing he could do so far.
Good effect on the trache tube removal. Mr P can outright steal
powers, a variation on Peter and Sylar's powers. Sort of.
Was Doyle's power the same as (or a variant on) Parkman's? The
roulette scene was well done even if it was obvious that Claire would
be the one biting the bullet because she could survive it.
The Parkman/Daphne thing (how old is she supposed to be?) was forced,
but that was the idea. The turtle is the new Mr Muggles.
3.5; I'm feeling generous.
But I'm still not moved by this Pinecrest plot and the stuff with
Mohinder doesn't feel like it's advanced at all in three episodes,
just moved the furniture around.
And here's hoping Monroe stays dead and it's the start of the cast
culling this show desperately needs.
--
DJensen
Zombie Elvis
4.21865
brou...@aol.com
4
stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to call
hrg to finish up the job.
so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
touch someone to get their powers.
matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
some how i fail to believe that the african precog couldn't see a
future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
Penni
shawn
>On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "Dying of the Light"
>> 10-20-08 Heroes
>>
>> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
>>
>> -George
>
>4
>
>stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to call
>hrg to finish up the job.
She's learning.
>so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
>absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
>touch someone to get their powers.
He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
powers. My guess is that they have in mind one of two possibilities.
1) Papa Patrelli only absorbs powers for a short time. Perhaps days or
weeks. after that time the powers will disappear and go back to the
original source so Peter would regain his powers when Papa Patrelli
loses them. 2) When Papa Patrelli steals powers from someone that
person loses the ability to access them for a time. So in a few
hours/days Peter will regain his powers.
In either case Papa Patrelli is going to up without the powers or dead
before too many episodes go by because he's way too powerful
otherwise.
>matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
>some how i fail to believe that the african precog couldn't see a
>future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
He foresaw the future and what Hiro would do. He wanted Hiro to learn
to use more than his powers. Once Hiro started to use his brain and
not just his powers the African Precog was willing to talk with Hiro.
David Johnston
That's OK, he obviously could since he stopped Hiro from hitting him
by speaking to him and scolding him for over-reliance on powers.
Default User
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
> <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
> > so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> > absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> > touch someone to get their powers.
>
> He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
> powers.
I'm not sure why. It seemed pretty obvious from the Adam Monroe
demonstration that he absorbs and removes the power from the person.
Brian
--
If televison's a babysitter, the Internet is a drunk librarian who
won't shut up.
-- Dorothy Gambrell (http://catandgirl.com)
DJensen
> On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > "Dying of the Light"
> so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> touch someone to get their powers.
If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
being 3 feet away? It remains to be seen if Pa P can control how much
he absorbs, or if Monroe's disintegration had something to do with his
power and how it's stored/expressed by the body, or if Peter just
managed to pull away before it could be fatal (but then I'd have
expected his father's reaction to be different, not just gloaty).
> matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
She has to be at least 10 years his junior, practically a teenager...
--
DJensen
Giovachino De Medici
> future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
Of course he could see future Hiro, that's why he spoke up instead of
getting whacked on the head with his own shovel. As Hiro himself said
it was a test.
Default User
> On Oct 21, 3:00 pm, "broug...@aol.com" <broug...@aol.com> wrote:
> > On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com>
> > so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> > absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> > touch someone to get their powers.
>
> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> being 3 feet away? It remains to be seen if Pa P can control how much
> he absorbs, or if Monroe's disintegration had something to do with his
> power and how it's stored/expressed by the body, or if Peter just
> managed to pull away before it could be fatal (but then I'd have
> expected his father's reaction to be different, not just gloaty).
I interpreted the Adam thing to mean that his power was stripped, so
his "real" age caught up with him all at once.
Giovachino De Medici
> On Oct 21, 3:00 pm, "broug...@aol.com" <broug...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > "Dying of the Light"
> > so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> > absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> > touch someone to get their powers.
>
> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> being 3 feet away? It remains to be seen if Pa P can control how much
> he absorbs, or if Monroe's disintegration had something to do with his
> power and how it's stored/expressed by the body, or if Peter just
> managed to pull away before it could be fatal (but then I'd have
> expected his father's reaction to be different, not just gloaty).
>
>
> She has to be at least 10 years his junior, practically a teenager...
If Parkman and Daphne are anywhere close to the age of the actors that
portray them it's closer to 20 years. However, I wouldn't call 27
practically a teenager.
Ken Arromdee
But it's only a meaningful test if for Hiro to do this is smart. In order
for Hiro's action to be smart, it would have to be *genuinely* unpredictable,
not just "he predicts it but he likes Hiro doing that".
Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and just
attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro for doing it. Just
what is he praising Hiro for?
--
Ken Arromdee / arromdee_AT_rahul.net / http://www.rahul.net/arromdee
"In a superhero story, Superman jumps off buildings and flies. In a realistic
story, Superman doesn't jump off buildings and can't fly. Deconstruction is
writing a story where Superman can't fly but he still jumps off of buildings."
rap...@gmail.com
> I interpreted the Adam thing to mean that his power was stripped, so
> his "real" age caught up with him all at once.
Yeah, that is what I thought too ... Well, after seeing him absorb
Peter's powers.
Default User
Right. After I realized that "Dad's" power was to absorb.
So why does Nathan call them "Ma" and "Pa" and Peter "Mom" and "Dad"?
Davej
> "Dying of the Light"
> 10-20-08 Heroes
3.5
Vastly better than last weeks klunker and really one of the best
episodes this season.
M. Halbrook
news:gdll8c$m9g$1...@blue.rahul.net:
> Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and
> just attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was
> completely wrong; he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro
> for doing it. Just what is he praising Hiro for?
He was praising Hiro for not relying on his powers.
Davej
> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> being 3 feet away?
Not if his father has a greater ability to hold onto them. It also
remains to be seen whether Peter still has his original power.
Ian Galbraith
Even if they do you can be sure he'll get it back. The character is
useless otherwise.
--
"I'm not sad. I'm complicated. Chicks dig that." - House
Gisele
news:qIWdndKgPejS3GDV...@supernews.com:
3.9
Good ep.
Gisele
Giovachino De Medici
> In article <c7120280-ed19-4a06-9bed-3241712ff...@l62g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Giovachino De Medici <Giovachino.of.dun.tra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 21, 3:00 pm, "broug...@aol.com" <broug...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> some how i fail to believe that the african precog couldn't see a
> >> future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
> >Of course he could see future Hiro, that's why he spoke up instead of
> >getting whacked on the head with his own shovel. As Hiro himself said
> >it was a test.
>
> But it's only a meaningful test if for Hiro to do this is smart. In order
> for Hiro's action to be smart, it would have to be *genuinely* unpredictable,
> not just "he predicts it but he likes Hiro doing that".
>
> Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and just
> attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
> he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro for doing it. Just
> what is he praising Hiro for?
For using something other than his powers, which was more the point
than doing something smart. If he can't freeze it, fast forward past
it, or go back and fix it Hiro hasn't known what to do about it in the
past.
Giovachino De Medici
So, you're saying his fathers power sucks?
Martin Phipps
4.99
The obvious question is "Why can't Hiro go back and time and talk to
himself so he can know the future and change it?" It's not like the
world will end: he actually did talk to himself (I forget why) when he
was a child. And he also went five years into the future in season 1
and met himself. And Future Peter even went back in time and spoke to
Present Peter and told him that he had to change the future.
The best fan wank I can think of is that Hiro and Peter have each seen
the world destroyed enough times already that they know going back and
changing things actually makes things worse every time. That,
presumably, is why Future Peter told Present Peter to take Sylar's
powers because Sylar's power is to understand how things work and
presumably that will enable Peter to see the solution to this
dilemma. Of course, this makes things worse because now Papa Petrelli
has Sylar's power so he's going to want to take off everybody's heads
- which won't make sense because he apparently can steal powers just
by touching people. Thus Hiro won't go back in time to tell him not
to do stupid things, even though this woukld seem like an obvious
thing to do.
Oh and I think I understand why Adam Monroe turned to dust: Papa
Petrelli not only steals powers but also renders people powerless:
Adam is over 400 years old and would be dust if not for his power to
heal.
Martin
Martin Phipps
> In article <c7120280-ed19-4a06-9bed-3241712ff...@l62g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >On Oct 21, 3:00 pm, "broug...@aol.com" <broug...@aol.com> wrote:
> >> some how i fail to believe that the african precog couldn't see a
> >> future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
> >Of course he could see future Hiro, that's why he spoke up instead of
> >getting whacked on the head with his own shovel. As Hiro himself said
> >it was a test.
>
> But it's only a meaningful test if for Hiro to do this is smart. In order
> for Hiro's action to be smart, it would have to be *genuinely* unpredictable,
> not just "he predicts it but he likes Hiro doing that".
>
> Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and just
> attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
> he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro for doing it. Just
> what is he praising Hiro for?
1) He was a teacher giving an A for effort.
2) The grade was inflated.
Martin
Victor Velazquez
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
> <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>> matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
>
> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
Huh? I see "mismatched" couples all the time, although usually one of them
has money. :-)
I just like the Tortoise and the Hare thing they have going.
Ken Arromdee
>> attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
>> he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro for doing it. Just
>> what is he praising Hiro for?
>For using something other than his powers, which was more the point
>than doing something smart.
If the idea was just that Hiro does something other than use his powers, and
it doesn't matter if what he does is smart or if it works, then Hiro could
just have easily said "I'll go to the store and buy a box of Crackerjacks.
I'll see if the prize is a clue about how to find this guy" and Hiro would
have passed the test. I find this unlikely.
The writers were obviously trying to say "not using his powers is a better
plan", and then they contradicted themselves by having the guy give himself
up without the "better" plan actually working.
brou...@aol.com
> raph...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 10:11 pm, "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I interpreted the Adam thing to mean that his power was stripped, so
> > > his "real" age caught up with him all at once.
>
> > Yeah, that is what I thought too ... Well, after seeing him absorb
> > Peter's powers.
>
> Right. After I realized that "Dad's" power was to absorb.
>
> So why does Nathan call them "Ma" and "Pa" and Peter "Mom" and "Dad"?
probably the same reason my son calls me mom and my daughter will
still call me mama, different personalities. oh and my kids are 24 and
18.
Penni
DJensen
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Davej wrote:
> > On Oct 21, 3:46 pm, DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> >> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> >> being 3 feet away?
>
> > Not if his father has a greater ability to hold onto them. It also
> > remains to be seen whether Peter still has his original power.
>
> Even if they do you can be sure he'll get it back. The character is
> useless otherwise.
You can be sure the process of getting his powers back will be full of
emo angst and frowning.
--
DJensen
Jim Gysin
George Avalos sent the following on 10/20/2008 9:41 PM:
> "Dying of the Light"
> 10-20-08 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>
> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
4.0. It would have only been a 3.5, but it gets a half-point bump for
getting Matt out of Africa. And I still prefer Sylar as an unrepentant,
bona fide baddie.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Remysun
> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> being 3 feet away? It remains to be seen if Pa P can control how much
> he absorbs, or if Monroe's disintegration had something to do with his
> power and how it's stored/expressed by the body, or if Peter just
> managed to pull away before it could be fatal (but then I'd have
> expected his father's reaction to be different, not just gloaty).
I expect that Papa Petrelli can now absorb powers through proximity,
and remove them through contact. Of course, Peter should have had a
better idea of what was up with his precognitive ability and the power
history from Sylar.
Pete B
nanof...@gmail.com says...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
> <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> "Dying of the Light"
> >> 10-20-08 Heroes
> >>
> >> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
> >>
> >> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
> >>
> >> -George
> >
> >4
> >
> >stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to call
> >hrg to finish up the job.
>
> She's learning.
> >so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> >absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> >touch someone to get their powers.
>
> He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
> powers. My guess is that they have in mind one of two possibilities.
> 1) Papa Patrelli only absorbs powers for a short time. Perhaps days or
> weeks. after that time the powers will disappear and go back to the
> original source so Peter would regain his powers when Papa Patrelli
> loses them. 2) When Papa Patrelli steals powers from someone that
> person loses the ability to access them for a time. So in a few
> hours/days Peter will regain his powers.
Or 3. Peter loses them forever! Yay.
> In either case Papa Patrelli is going to up without the powers or dead
> before too many episodes go by because he's way too powerful
> otherwise.
Thankfully he is less of a freak than the two others, but the problem
goes for all of them, some are too powerfull and writers do not wish to
explore that.
>
>
> >matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
>
> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
Why? Because she's hot and he's not?
> >some how i fail to believe that the african precog couldn't see a
> >future hiro because hiro didn't use his powers.
>
> He foresaw the future and what Hiro would do. He wanted Hiro to learn
> to use more than his powers. Once Hiro started to use his brain and
> not just his powers the African Precog was willing to talk with Hiro.
Except that wasn't using your brain, that was just being stupid - if the
guy can see the future, what difference would it make to teleport there
or to wait there... none.
Pete B
says...
> shawn wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
> > <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
> > > absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
> > > touch someone to get their powers.
> >
> > He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
> > powers.
>
> I'm not sure why. It seemed pretty obvious from the Adam Monroe
> demonstration that he absorbs and removes the power from the person.
>
I hope he comes back somehow, I shall be annoyed if this is it - of
course that may just be what happened, the lost the power to live
forever and like doran gray he reverted to looking at the stars - from
the gutter.
Pete B
says...
> rap...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 10:11 pm, "Default User" <defaultuse...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I interpreted the Adam thing to mean that his power was stripped, so
> > > his "real" age caught up with him all at once.
> >
> > Yeah, that is what I thought too ... Well, after seeing him absorb
> > Peter's powers.
>
> Right. After I realized that "Dad's" power was to absorb.
>
> So why does Nathan call them "Ma" and "Pa" and Peter "Mom" and "Dad"?
>
They moved around a lot.
Pete B
m...@privacy.net says...
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Davej wrote:
>
> > On Oct 21, 3:46 pm, DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> >> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> >> being 3 feet away?
> >
> > Not if his father has a greater ability to hold onto them. It also
> > remains to be seen whether Peter still has his original power.
>
> Even if they do you can be sure he'll get it back. The character is
> useless otherwise.
He's still useless but the girls seem to like him.
DJensen
> nanoflo...@gmail.com says...
> > He foresaw the future and what Hiro would do. He wanted Hiro to learn
> > to use more than his powers. Once Hiro started to use his brain and
> > not just his powers the African Precog was willing to talk with Hiro.
>
> Except that wasn't using your brain, that was just being stupid - if the
> guy can see the future, what difference would it make to teleport there
> or to wait there... none.
It just occurred to me there is a huge problem with how all of that
went down. It was funny though. How does Isaac 2 know *when* exactly
Hiro is supposed to appear? I thought the prophetic painting power
meant you saw the future, but you didn't get the context or the exact
time. It could be argued that his control of the power is quite
refined (I think he said he'd been painting the future since he was a
child) and he knows the exact time and place, but that's not what
we've been given on screen. And if he does get the context and/or
timing, why not write it down?
--
DJensen
Default User
> I expect that Papa Petrelli can now absorb powers through proximity,
> and remove them through contact. Of course, Peter should have had a
> better idea of what was up with his precognitive ability
If he'd taken time to paint, yeah. I'd use that power a lot like the
African guy, ALL THE FREAKING TIME! Going to invade BadGuyInc? Paint a
picture first.
> and the power history from Sylar.
Sylar had "object history". You have to touch the object, and then it's
too late.
jewahe
To use the precognitive ability, Peter must stop and grab a paintbrush.
He was all fired up to rush in to Pinehearst and save the day.
Just because he absorbs a power doesn't mean that he knows how to use it
automatically (i.e., he didn't know how to unlock Sylar's base ability
until the events of _I Am Become Death_, even though he's had this power
since S1's _Homecoming_). In this case, Peter doesn't even know that
Sylar has the power of Clairenstience, so he simply can't use it.
--
JWH
M. Halbrook
@nntp.usenetserver.com:
>> I'm not sure why. It seemed pretty obvious from the Adam Monroe
>> demonstration that he absorbs and removes the power from the person.
>>
>
> I hope he comes back somehow, I shall be annoyed if this is it - of
> course that may just be what happened, the lost the power to live
> forever and like doran gray he reverted to looking at the stars - from
> the gutter.
Most people, at least vocal people, would be annoyed if he did come back..
I suspect we'll see him in historical episodes.
Default User
> In article <6m75o2F...@mid.individual.net>,
> defaul...@yahoo.com says...
> > So why does Nathan call them "Ma" and "Pa" and Peter "Mom" and
> > "Dad"?
> >
>
> They moved around a lot.
That sort of thing is usually internal to a family. The parents teach
the developing youngster to call them something or the other. Of
course, in the great lexicon of "odd things about Heroes", that's purty
far down the list.
William December Starr
"brou...@aol.com" <brou...@aol.com> said:
> stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to
> call hrg to finish up the job.
After hitting the puppetmaster on the head exactly *once* and then
assuming that he'd stay unconscious, rather than following up by
kicking his head at least thwenty-nine times just be sure, mind
you.
(Meanwhile, on the other side of the continent Daphne gets no points
at all for not speeding out of Mohinder's lair the instant she
discovered the semi-tranquilized Tracy strapped down in the web
room.)
-- wds
rap...@gmail.com
I think the point is that, if they are going to fight a guy who can
strip powers, they need a plan that doesn't rely on them.
Not very well put though.
Ken Arromdee
<rap...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and just
>> > attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
>> > he could foresee it. However, he then praises Hiro for doing it. Just
>> > what is he praising Hiro for?
>> 1) He was a teacher giving an A for effort.
>I think the point is that, if they are going to fight a guy who can
>strip powers, they need a plan that doesn't rely on them.
But that's wrong. They need a plan that doesn't rely on them when used
against the guy who can stop them. A plan that doesn't rely on them, used
in a completely different context where not relying on them is no help at
all, is pointless.
David Johnston
>>> > Or to put it another way, Hiro thought "If I don't use my power and just
>>> > attack him, he can't foresee it". Hiro's conclusion was completely wrong;
Well actually if Hiro doesn't use his power to jump back and forth in
time or freeze things Ando can watch his back. One of us and one of
them after all.
clau...@webtv.net
collapsable sword? She wasn't frozen completely when Hiro stopped time
during their first encounter.
M. Halbrook
3111.bay.webtv.net:
> Why was Daphne frozen when Hiro stopped time to jump and get the
> collapsable sword? She wasn't frozen completely when Hiro stopped time
> during their first encounter.
>
>
She wasn't already moving when Hiro stopped time to go get the sword. He
also teleported fairly instantly and returned to the time he left, so she
probably wouldn't have noticed the very short time slowdown.
Ian Galbraith
Yes I noticed that. Hiro does appaer to be able to stop time completely
after all.
--
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure, and the
intelligent are full of doubt." - Bertrand Russell
Ian Galbraith
OK I've seen the episode now and there's no doubt in my mind that Peter
lost his power absorbing ability as well. But yes he will get it back.
--
"I'm not sad. I'm complicated. Chicks dig that." - House
Ian Galbraith
> "Dying of the Light"
> 10-20-08 Heroes
>
> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>
> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
3.5
Treading water a bit but the pace is still good. Hiro was better this
week and Claire was a mixture of stupidity and smarts.
I like the way they killed of Adam in such an offhanded way, although it
has to be said that this is another example of the way this show under
utilises its good actors and over utilises its poor actors.
Boy Arthur really is a bastard, its a wonder Peter grew up so empathic
with such poor parents. As I said elsewhere there is no question that
Arthur took all his powers including his power absorbing ability.
--
"I'd rather have a show that a hundred people need to see than a thousand
people like to see." - Joss Whedon
Dan Lanciani
| Oh and I think I understand why Adam Monroe turned to dust: Papa
| Petrelli not only steals powers but also renders people powerless:
| Adam is over 400 years old and would be dust if not for his power to
| heal.
This raises some interesting questions. Peter would have been dead
were it not for his power but he did not die when Dad took his powers.
(I'm assuming Dad took the healing power, of course. Maybe he didn't
as he already had a copy.) At what point does one become dependent on
the healing power? Does the power repair injuries such that the result
is a normal body that can function without the power but at the same time
merely simulate a youthful body in the face of extreme age?
Possibly the expert system that runs the Heroes universe (a system similar
to the one that runs the Lost Room's universe I suspect) is familiar with
the immortality genre and likes the "age catches up with you" cliche. I
do wonder why it allowed Hiro to freeze time without Daphne's noticing.
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
Martin Phipps
He didn't just freeze time: he left and came back in the same instant
that he left. (Mind you this requires more precise control over his
powers than he's shown previously but this IS season 3 and he's been
using his powers for a while now.)
Martin
Martin Phipps
> In article <e31c1f96-2377-445d-9f4b-0d6c43c72...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, martinphip...@yahoo.com (Martin Phipps) writes:
>
> | Oh and I think I understand why Adam Monroe turned to dust: Papa
> | Petrelli not only steals powers but also renders people powerless:
> | Adam is over 400 years old and would be dust if not for his power to
> | heal.
>
> This raises some interesting questions. Peter would have been dead
> were it not for his power but he did not die when Dad took his powers.
You got me there. I'm not the only one who thought "Adam died when he
lost his powers because he was 400 years old and should have been dead
already." and I'm sure we all thought it was very clever. Hmm. It
seems to me that even if Adam's power is turned of then he should
still heal because he still has his blood and that can be used to heal
other people (such as Nathan) so what happened doesn't really make
sense if we use the he's-400-years old explanation.
Oh well. It was still a good episode.
Martin
Pete B
says...
> Pete B wrote:
>
> > In article <6m75o2F...@mid.individual.net>,
> > defaul...@yahoo.com says...
>
> > > So why does Nathan call them "Ma" and "Pa" and Peter "Mom" and
> > > "Dad"?
> > >
> >
> > They moved around a lot.
>
> That sort of thing is usually internal to a family. The parents teach
> the developing youngster to call them something or the other. Of
> course, in the great lexicon of "odd things about Heroes", that's purty
> far down the list.
>
No kidding :)
ravenlynne
> George Avalos sent the following on 10/20/2008 9:41 PM:
>> "Dying of the Light"
>> 10-20-08 Heroes
>>
>> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>>
>> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
>
> getting Matt out of Africa. And I still prefer Sylar as an unrepentant,
> bona fide baddie.
>
I want him and the "puppetmaster" (my nickname, nothing official) to
team up. That guy is awesome.
--
I can see the moon from my house...does that qualify me to be an astronaut?
ravenlynne
> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
> <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 20, 10:41 pm, "George Avalos" <georgeaval...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> "Dying of the Light"
>>> 10-20-08 Heroes
>>>
>>> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>>>
>>> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
>>>
>> 4
>>
>> stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to call
>> hrg to finish up the job.
>
>> so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
>> absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
>> touch someone to get their powers.
>
> He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
> powers.
I disagree with that because I think that his ability to absorb powers
*is* his power. If his power has been removed, that main one is gone as
well. Time will tell.
ravenlynne
> In article <6m6qmcF...@mid.individual.net>, defaul...@yahoo.com
> says...
>> shawn wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:00:29 -0700 (PDT), "brou...@aol.com"
>>> <brou...@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> so peter has lost his powers. does that mean he's lost the power to
>>>> absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
>>>> touch someone to get their powers.
>>> He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
>>> powers.
>> demonstration that he absorbs and removes the power from the person.
>>
>
> I hope he comes back somehow, I shall be annoyed if this is it - of
> course that may just be what happened, the lost the power to live
> forever and like doran gray he reverted to looking at the stars - from
> the gutter.
Well, we've been warned that the show is killing off several characters,
including regulars...so I think Monroe is GONE.
ravenlynne
> In article <35csf4tp0nhh1thqr...@4ax.com>,
> nanof...@gmail.com says...
>>>> "Dying of the Light"
>>>> 10-20-08 Heroes
>>>>
>>>> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>>>>
>>>> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
>>>>
>>>> -George
>>> 4
>>>
>>> stupid claire strikes again. fortunately she had the brains to call
>>> hrg to finish up the job.
>> She's learning.
>>> absorb powers too? and it looks like papa patrelli has to at least
>>> touch someone to get their powers.
>> He's lost his powers but I doubt he's lost the ability to absorb
>> 1) Papa Patrelli only absorbs powers for a short time. Perhaps days or
>> weeks. after that time the powers will disappear and go back to the
>> original source so Peter would regain his powers when Papa Patrelli
>> loses them. 2) When Papa Patrelli steals powers from someone that
>> person loses the ability to access them for a time. So in a few
>> hours/days Peter will regain his powers.
>
> Or 3. Peter loses them forever! Yay.
It's the only outcome that would make sense. IMO the only thing that
will fix it is Hiro doing some time warp thingy and changing history so
that Peter's powers are never taken.
Jim Gysin
ravenlynne sent the following on 10/24/2008 2:12 AM:
> Jim Gysin wrote:
>> George Avalos sent the following on 10/20/2008 9:41 PM:
>>> "Dying of the Light"
>>> 10-20-08 Heroes
>>>
>>> 5 stars (TOLD by God)
>>>
>>> 0-1 stars (written by DOLT)
>> 4.0. It would have only been a 3.5, but it gets a half-point bump for
>> getting Matt out of Africa. And I still prefer Sylar as an unrepentant,
>> bona fide baddie.
>>
>
> I want him and the "puppetmaster" (my nickname, nothing official) to
> team up. That guy is awesome.
Puppetmaster was very good, wasn't he? Assuming that he was only there
initially for a short story arc, I wouldn't be surprised to see him get
a revival based on his brief performance, sort of along the lines of
Benjamin Linus on Lost.
--
Jim Gysin
Waukesha, WI
Jim Gysin
ravenlynne sent the following on 10/24/2008 4:50 AM:
The question that relates to anyone's power(s) is whether the source of
the power is absorbed/taken away along with its manifestation. I'm
guessing that it's just the manifestation, and that the source is left
intact, which would mean that the Peters and Sylars of the world can and
will regenerate those powers somehow.
ravenlynne
He's got lots of potential, definitely.
ravenlynne
The only way that makes sense (in my head anyway) for Peter to get his
powers back is for Hiro to do some time warpy thing that gets rid of Pa
Petrelli so that he never takes Peter's powers in the first place.
Another thing to think about, though, and this makes my head
hurt....future Peter came back with that wicked scar...which tells me
that in the future, after he recieves the scar, he gets his powers back,
not before. Thus blowing my above theory out of the water.
Back to the drawing board.
Dragonlady
"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.236995d1e...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
>> >matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
>>
>> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
>
> Why? Because she's hot and he's not?
>
Who says he's not?
Dragonlady
> In article <1luq7k05s3c7o$.1sd44mh9g736q$.d...@40tude.net>,
> m...@privacy.net says...
>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Davej wrote:
>>
>> > On Oct 21, 3:46 pm, DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> >> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
>> >> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
>> >> being 3 feet away?
>> >
>> > Not if his father has a greater ability to hold onto them. It also
>> > remains to be seen whether Peter still has his original power.
>>
>> Even if they do you can be sure he'll get it back. The character is
>> useless otherwise.
>
It's his looks.
Zombie Elvis
Irrelevant since Matt's mental power includes some limited mind
control. If a girl doesn't like him, Matt can still seduce her with
mind roofies.
--
"I recall a time not long ago when a bullet in the chest meant a
sucking chest wound, not a quick bandage job and a climactic
final confrontation with a criminal mastermind atop an unfinished
skyscraper."
- Seen on The Onion
Roberto Castillo
roberto...@ameritech.net
http://mind-grapes.blogspot.com/
http://zombie-gulch.myminicity.com/
Jim Gysin
ravenlynne sent the following on 10/27/2008 1:23 PM:
Yeah, that's why sci-fi shows should always be *very* careful about the
powers and abilities that they start tossing about. They can't just
pretend that those things no longer exist, and the ability to travel in
time is the ultimate solution to a whole lot of problems.
Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give just one
non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the Federation didn't
have routine cloaking capabilities over a century after Kirk and company
stole and successfully implemented the Romulan invention, for starters.
> Another thing to think about, though, and this makes my head
> hurt....future Peter came back with that wicked scar...which tells me
> that in the future, after he recieves the scar, he gets his powers back,
> not before. Thus blowing my above theory out of the water.
>
> Back to the drawing board.
That scar business continues to be extremely annoying to me.
Jim Gysin
ravenlynne sent the following on 10/27/2008 1:17 PM:
He was definitely giving an acting clinic to everyone sharing the "spin
the revolver" scene with him.
David Johnston
wrote:
>Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
>discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give just one
>non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the Federation didn't
>have routine cloaking capabilities over a century after Kirk and company
>stole and successfully implemented the Romulan invention, for starters.
Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost on
Mintaka for example and they could be invisibly in orbit around
planets that had spaceflight.
>
>> Another thing to think about, though, and this makes my head
>> hurt....future Peter came back with that wicked scar...which tells me
>> that in the future, after he recieves the scar, he gets his powers back,
>> not before. Thus blowing my above theory out of the water.
>>
>> Back to the drawing board.
>
>That scar business continues to be extremely annoying to me.
Well Peter is currently in a position where he could get a lasting
scar on his face. What's the problem?
Dragonlady
"Zombie Elvis" <DELETEMETOREPLY...@ameritech.net> wrote in
message news:9762h4dc4r56ruf2p...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008 19:57:40 -0700, "Dragonlady"
> <dragon...@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.236995d1e...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
>>> In article <35csf4tp0nhh1thqr...@4ax.com>,
>>> nanof...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>>> >matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
>>>>
>>>> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
>>>
>>> Why? Because she's hot and he's not?
>>>
>>Who says he's not?
>
> Irrelevant since Matt's mental power includes some limited mind
> control. If a girl doesn't like him, Matt can still seduce her with
> mind roofies.
Why would he bother?
Jim Gysin
David Johnston sent the following on 11/5/2008 2:39 PM:
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:37:26 GMT, Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
>> discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give just one
>> non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the Federation didn't
>> have routine cloaking capabilities over a century after Kirk and company
>> stole and successfully implemented the Romulan invention, for starters.
>
> Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost on
> Mintaka for example and they could be invisibly in orbit around
> planets that had spaceflight.
I'm drawing a Star Trek blank where Mintaka is concerned. But as
recently as the movie _First Contact_, the Enterprise herself had to
hide from the Vulcans by using Earth as a shield of sorts. And there
were countless other times when, if such cloaking technology were
readily available at a moment's notice, it should have been put to
advantage--and when not doing so would have arguably been dereliction of
duty on the part of the captain who didn't use it to protect his vessel
and his crew.
But again, the whole forgotten technology thing goes far beyond Star
Trek and Kirk's stolen cloaking device. The bottom line is that
sometimes a show *must* ignore such technologies from one episode to the
next or else the narrative will stall because the obvious technological
solution is too easy and would kill the story before it got its legs.
>>> Another thing to think about, though, and this makes my head
>>> hurt....future Peter came back with that wicked scar...which tells me
>>> that in the future, after he recieves the scar, he gets his powers back,
>>> not before. Thus blowing my above theory out of the water.
>>>
>>> Back to the drawing board.
>> That scar business continues to be extremely annoying to me.
>
> Well Peter is currently in a position where he could get a lasting
> scar on his face. What's the problem?
He could always mask it once he gets his powers back. My guess is that
the writers initially underestimated the intelligence of the viewers and
assumed that they needed something blatantly obvious to distinguish
Future Peter from his present self. At least I hope that they
underestimated the intelligence of the viewers, because if viewers
really are that dense, or if the writers couldn't figure out that they
could simply dress the two Peters differently...
David Johnston
wrote:
>>>> Another thing to think about, though, and this makes my head
>>>> hurt....future Peter came back with that wicked scar...which tells me
>>>> that in the future, after he recieves the scar, he gets his powers back,
>>>> not before. Thus blowing my above theory out of the water.
>>>>
>>>> Back to the drawing board.
>>> That scar business continues to be extremely annoying to me.
>>
>> Well Peter is currently in a position where he could get a lasting
>> scar on his face. What's the problem?
>
>He could always mask it once he gets his powers back.
He could and does. But there does seem to be a limit to how many
power uses he can juggle at a time.
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
I just did.
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
>
Mind you that doesn't mean i think she's hot.
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
He looks like he has good genes, eh?
Pete B
jimg...@geemail.com says...
They chose not to.
Pete B
jimg...@geemail.com says...
The production reason was they didn't think it would be cool to have
spaceship people couldn't see. The story reason is that they signed a
treaty where they promised not to use cloaking devices (see late TNG for
further details)
Pete B
says...
> Scríobh Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com>:
> >
> >David Johnston sent the following on 11/5/2008 2:39 PM:
> >> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 18:37:26 GMT, Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
> >>> discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give just one
> >>> non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the Federation didn't
> >>> have routine cloaking capabilities over a century after Kirk and company
> >>> stole and successfully implemented the Romulan invention, for starters.
> >>
> >> Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost on
> >> Mintaka for example and they could be invisibly in orbit around
> >> planets that had spaceflight.
> >
> >I'm drawing a Star Trek blank where Mintaka is concerned. But as
> >recently as the movie _First Contact_, the Enterprise herself had to
> >hide from the Vulcans by using Earth as a shield of sorts. And there
> >were countless other times when, if such cloaking technology were
> >readily available at a moment's notice, it should have been put to
> >advantage--and when not doing so would have arguably been dereliction of
> >duty on the part of the captain who didn't use it to protect his vessel
> >and his crew.
> >
> >But again, the whole forgotten technology thing goes far beyond Star
> >Trek and Kirk's stolen cloaking device. The bottom line is that
> >sometimes a show *must* ignore such technologies from one episode to the
> >next or else the narrative will stall because the obvious technological
> >solution is too easy and would kill the story before it got its legs.
>
> Starfleet was that the Federation had signed a treaty with the Romulan
> and Klingons agreeing not to use the technology. Why anyone would
> agree to such a dumb handicap is not clear.
It's called peace.
David Johnston
wrote:
It's called folly. The Federation's diplomats have to been sucking
bowling balls through garden hoses to agree to that provision of the
treaty.
William December Starr
David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
> Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
>> discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give
>> just one non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the
>> Federation didn't have routine cloaking capabilities over a
>> century after Kirk and company stole and successfully implemented
>> the Romulan invention, for starters.
>
> Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost
> on Mintaka for example
I couldn't tell whether that observation post on the cliff face was
actually invisible -- cloaked -- or just fronted by a holographic
projection of the rockface behind it.
(For those who don't get the reference, that was the TNG episode in
which the Federation had anthropologists secretly observing a
bow-and-arrow culture of "proto-Vulcanoids" or somesuch -- that is,
they looked like Vulcans or Romulans -- and when the technology that
was hiding the observation outpost failed things got a screwed up
vis-a-vis the Prime Directive and Picard et al had to fix it up.
The main point of the episode as I recall it was that Marina Sirtis
made for a hot Romulan.)
> and they could be invisibly in orbit around planets that had
> spaceflight.
This raises the issue of the difference between "stealthy" and
"cloaked." In Star Trek the latter, I think, means "invisible to
the very best sensor systems of a civilization whose technology
level is pretty much the same as ours," as opposed to "able to avoid
detection by sensor technology that's decades or centuries behind
ours." By way of contemporary example, a present-day U.S. B-2
bomber would be utterly undetectable by Cold War-era radar, but that
doesn't mean that we'd describe one as "cloaked" when it was flying
over the Soviet Union in 1957.
-- wds
Dragonlady
Ah, but you're a heterosexual male. You don't count for purposes of
determining if he's hot.
Dragonlady
*lol* Maybe not, but apparently a lot of other guys do.
Dragonlady
No. He looks good *in* jeans.
Pete B
says...
No it was called peace. There was peace, in peace time you don't need to
sneak over the border
David Johnston
wrote:
>> >> The in-story explanation for the lack of cloaking technology in
>> >> Starfleet was that the Federation had signed a treaty with the Romulan
>> >> and Klingons agreeing not to use the technology. Why anyone would
>> >> agree to such a dumb handicap is not clear.
>> >
>> >It's called peace.
>>
>> It's called folly.
>
>No it was called peace. There was peace, in peace time you don't need to
>sneak over the border
Sure you do. The Romulans do it all the time.
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
>
> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.237ed5775...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <ger236$4o6$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, dragonlady60
> > @wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
> >>
> >> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.236995d1e...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> >> > In article <35csf4tp0nhh1thqr...@4ax.com>,
> >> > nanof...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> >> >matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
> >> >>
> >> >> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
> >> >
> >> > Why? Because she's hot and he's not?
> >> >
> >> Who says he's not?
> >
> > I just did.
>
> Ah, but you're a heterosexual male. You don't count for purposes of
> determining if he's hot.
Sure I do - is a complex formula ;)
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
>
> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.237ed590d...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <ger236$4o6$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, dragonlady60
> > @wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
> >>
> >> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.236995d1e...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> >> > In article <35csf4tp0nhh1thqr...@4ax.com>,
> >> > nanof...@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> >> >matt and daphne, the most unlikely of couples.
> >> >>
> >> >> Agree. One that would never happen in the real world.
> >> >
> >> > Why? Because she's hot and he's not?
> >> >
> >> Who says he's not?
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Mind you that doesn't mean i think she's hot.
>
> *lol* Maybe not, but apparently a lot of other guys do.
Heh, I don't doubt it. A lot in here seems to feel everybody is hot
*puzzled look*
Pete B
@wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
>
> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.237ed5aec...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> > In article <ger23u$4u9$1...@registered.motzarella.org>, dragonlady60
> > @wouldntyouspammersliketoknow.net says...
> >>
> >> "Pete B" <xxxh@_xsomeething.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.23699737e...@nntp.usenetserver.com...
> >> > In article <1luq7k05s3c7o$.1sd44mh9g736q$.d...@40tude.net>,
> >> > m...@privacy.net says...
> >> >> On Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:33:56 -0700 (PDT), Davej wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Oct 21, 3:46 pm, DJensen <i_m...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> >> >> If he retained his ability to absorb powers wouldn't he immediately
> >> >> >> get them back from Pa Petrelli (plus his vampire power too) just by
> >> >> >> being 3 feet away?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not if his father has a greater ability to hold onto them. It also
> >> >> > remains to be seen whether Peter still has his original power.
> >> >>
> >> >> Even if they do you can be sure he'll get it back. The character is
> >> >> useless otherwise.
> >> >
> >> > He's still useless but the girls seem to like him.
> >>
> >> It's his looks.
> >
> > He looks like he has good genes, eh?
>
> No. He looks good *in* jeans.
Same difference :)
Pete B
says...
We (the federation) are not romulans. Besides, there will always be the
odd border skirmish. But since we can detect them, what do we care - and
why would we add a cloaking device in the first place since it can be
detected :)
peachy ashie passion
I think nearly everyone has a piece of beauty in them. If you look
for it then you appreciate it.
Others appear to start with an ideal of perfection, and any perceived
flaw makes them less attractive.
Anim8rFSK
wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
> In article <6014h4ld2rq7ruq17...@4ax.com>,
> David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
>
> > Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
> >> discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give
> >> just one non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the
> >> Federation didn't have routine cloaking capabilities over a
> >> century after Kirk and company stole and successfully implemented
> >> the Romulan invention, for starters.
> >
> > Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost
> > on Mintaka for example
>
> I couldn't tell whether that observation post on the cliff face was
> actually invisible -- cloaked -- or just fronted by a holographic
> projection of the rockface behind it.
I thought the latter, but then I wonder how stupid the people were that
they didn't notice the big cave was gone one day. Don't get me started
on Insurrection.
>
> (For those who don't get the reference, that was the TNG episode in
> which the Federation had anthropologists secretly observing a
> bow-and-arrow culture of "proto-Vulcanoids" or somesuch -- that is,
> they looked like Vulcans or Romulans -- and when the technology that
> was hiding the observation outpost failed things got a screwed up
> vis-a-vis the Prime Directive and Picard et al had to fix it up.
> The main point of the episode as I recall it was that Marina Sirtis
> made for a hot Romulan.)
>
> > and they could be invisibly in orbit around planets that had
> > spaceflight.
>
> This raises the issue of the difference between "stealthy" and
> "cloaked." In Star Trek the latter, I think, means "invisible to
> the very best sensor systems of a civilization whose technology
> level is pretty much the same as ours," as opposed to "able to avoid
> detection by sensor technology that's decades or centuries behind
> ours." By way of contemporary example, a present-day U.S. B-2
> bomber would be utterly undetectable by Cold War-era radar, but that
> doesn't mean that we'd describe one as "cloaked" when it was flying
> over the Soviet Union in 1957.
>
> -- wds
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Crap Trek 2009: "No Shat, No Show"
Dan Lanciani
| In article <gf2lee$q8p$1...@panix3.panix.com>,
| wds...@panix.com (William December Starr) wrote:
|
| > In article <6014h4ld2rq7ruq17...@4ax.com>,
| > David Johnston <da...@block.net> said:
| >
| > > Jim Gysin <jimg...@geemail.com> wrote:
| > >
| > >> Along the same lines, Star Trek was loaded with abilities and
| > >> discoveries that were quickly abandoned and forgotten, to give
| > >> just one non-Heroes example, and I'm still annoyed that the
| > >> Federation didn't have routine cloaking capabilities over a
| > >> century after Kirk and company stole and successfully implemented
| > >> the Romulan invention, for starters.
| > >
| > > Well they did. They had that visually invisible espionage outpost
| > > on Mintaka for example
| >
| > I couldn't tell whether that observation post on the cliff face was
| > actually invisible -- cloaked -- or just fronted by a holographic
| > projection of the rockface behind it.
|
| I thought the latter, but then I wonder how stupid the people were that
| they didn't notice the big cave was gone one day.
I thought they excavated the cave and then projected a hologram of what
the cliff face looked like before they excavated. The whole project
seemed unnecessarily invasive and risky, though.
Dan Lanciani
ddl@danlan.*com
Dragonlady
a heterosexual male after all.....
Dragonlady
*ROTFL* Well, I wouldn't say a lot, but there are definitely some who do!
Pete B
exquisi...@hotmail.com says...
That's what Sylar thinks, he then looks inside to appreciate it ;)
Dragonlady
*chuckle* You'd think so, but not necessarily. I've seen plenty of hot
guys I wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole, and certainly wouldn't want my
daughter to marry.