Pilot Ep
David E. Milligan
And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the missing Gazebo and
other SH landmarks).
Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but I never realized it
would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
Emily's hair was --- different/odd.
Rory sitting next to Richard on the sofa looked to be about 13 even though AB was 19.
Richard said Rory was tall. I guess it had been a long long time since the last time he'd seen
her.
Still hate sitting through the commercials waiting for the next scene.
--
David
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LOGAN: Absolutely. Tell Paris you're going.
RORY: Whoa! Oops!
LOGAN: What?
RORY: They made up. Either that or
Krav Maga is way kinkier than I thought it was.
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<davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
Me thinks they aren't running the last season yet.
> Still hate sitting through the commercials waiting for the next scene.
There is a solution. Record it on your DVR/VCR and fast forward
through the commercials.
Or get the dvds.
My dual tuner dvr records two channels at once and allows me to
fast forward through commercials.
Anybody
Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
> And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the
> missing Gazebo and
> other SH landmarks).
> Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but
> I never realized it
> would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
> Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
> Emily's hair was --- different/odd.
> Rory sitting next to Richard on the sofa looked to be about 13 even
> though AB was 19.
> Richard said Rory was tall. I guess it had been a long long time since
> the last time he'd seen her.
I can't recall exactly, but either they hadn't seen Rory since she was
a baby or they had never met her before.
Cory
any...@anywhere-anytime.com says...
> In article <%AoXj.34993$7a.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David E.
> Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
> > And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the
> > missing Gazebo and other SH landmarks).
> > Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but
> > I never realized it would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
> > Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
I noticed that, too. I'm on season three right now (just finished TAKE
THE DEVILED EGGS) and I'm trying to figure out how old she is during
this season. IIRC, there's a reference or two during season three to
her age that doesn't match up to season one.
> > Emily's hair was --- different/odd.
Kelly Bishop just looked odd, period, in the pilot. They definitely did
SOMETHING to change her look later on, but damn if I can figure out
what!
> > Rory sitting next to Richard on the sofa looked to be about 13 even
> > though AB was 19.
AB looks younger a lot of times than she really was, but there is NO way
that she didn't have help in that department from either wardrobe or
make-up, which did a FABULOUS job of making AB look younger than she
really is. What I mean to say is that AB didn't look nearly as young
in, say, the final season, as they had her look at Chilton, so she had
to have had help in that area from makeup or wardrobe, because in the
final season, she pretty much looked her senior-ish in college age.
> > Richard said Rory was tall. I guess it had been a long long time since
> > the last time he'd seen her.
>
> I can't recall exactly, but either they hadn't seen Rory since she was
> a baby or they had never met her before.
There was a line in there somewhere, I'm almost certain, about the fact
that Lor and Ror only go to Richard and Emily's at Christmas, so it had
been since the previous Christmas, and teens can go through growth
spurts in months. I've seen that happen with my own two eyes.
--- Cory
Rob Jensen
<davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
> And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the missing Gazebo and
>other SH landmarks).
> Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but I never realized it
>would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
> Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
Dude, one month away from her 16th birthday -- they were freakin'
rounding! Rounding, rounding, rounding!
> Emily's hair was --- different/odd.
A LOT was different in the pilot because they shot it in Vancouver (or
Toronto?) something like 6-7 months before the pilot actually aired
and, well, around 3-4 months (at shortest) before they started even
*filming* episode 2. In between, the show was moved to the Warner
Studio in Burbank and pretty much every location changed
substantially. Even the sitting room in the mansion (with the
fireplace) is much more full in the second episode. They used a local
house in the pilot and recreated the interior and added a *lot* of
decor.
> Rory sitting next to Richard on the sofa looked to be about 13 even though AB was 19.
> Richard said Rory was tall. I guess it had been a long long time since the last time he'd seen
>her.
> Still hate sitting through the commercials waiting for the next scene.
That's what the VCR's fast-forward button and the DVR's skip button
are for.
Actually, better yet, watch them on DVD as ABC Family makes some very
questionable cuts in dialogue in almost every episode. Some scenes
(particularly in seasons 2 and 4) are so hacked up that they don't
make any sense.
--
LORELAI: I am so done with plans. I am never, ever making one again.
It never works. I spend the day obsessing over why it didn't work
and what I could've done differently. I'm analyzing all my shortcomings
when all I really need to be doing is vowing to never, ever make a plan
ever again, which I'm doing now, having once again been the innocent
victim of my own stupid plans. God, I need some coffee.
David E. Milligan
"Rob Jensen" <Shut...@aol.com> wrote in message
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I have the DVDs, but when GG is on, I can't help myself, some eps I just have to watch (or
parts of them anyway). 'Those are Strings Pinocchio' is another I have to watch.
Abby Lockhart
wrote:
>> Still hate sitting through the commercials waiting for the next scene.
>
>That's what the VCR's fast-forward button and the DVR's skip button
>are for.
button (four speeds) but no skip button.
(Comcast)
Rob Jensen
Oy! That's making me appreciate my Media Center PC's DVR even more
with its 30-second-skip-forward/5-second-skip-backward function.
-- Rob
Rob Jensen
wrote:
>In article <170520081820239888%any...@anywhere-anytime.com>,
>any...@anywhere-anytime.com says...
>> In article <%AoXj.34993$7a.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David E.
>> Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
>> > And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the
>> > missing Gazebo and other SH landmarks).
>> > Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but
>> > I never realized it would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
>> > Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
>
>I noticed that, too. I'm on season three right now (just finished TAKE
>THE DEVILED EGGS) and I'm trying to figure out how old she is during
>this season. IIRC, there's a reference or two during season three to
>her age that doesn't match up to season one.
Rory's birthday is in early-to-mid-October (they're consistent with
that from s1 all the way through the series). Thus, in the few
episodes before Rory's Two Birthdays, any reference to her being 16 is
rounding, which isn't the least bit implausible.
One very probable explanation (especially within Richard's social
circle):
A person (whether Richard or Rory) rounds up when they don't want the
other person to know when Rory's birthday is so that the third person
doesn't try to get him/herself invited to Rory's birthday party when
s/he's not wanted.
One more shot at it: The episode could have been shot and meant to
air *after* Rory's Birthday Paries. Once Rory's birthday was
established as being in early-to-mid-October, they might have realized
that late-October/early-November was probably too orange/brown to be
as green as depicted in the episode, so they switched the episode
order to have the golf episode air earlier. Unders such a scenario,
the line couldn't be fixed in post as it was delivered onscreen and it
would also be quite possible due to reordering the episodes that the
golf episode could have been finished so close to air time that there
was no time (or budget) to reshoot the scene. In which case, the
rounding explanation still becomes implicit canon as due to the
obvious motivating factor of Rory's Birthday episode *had* to have
meant they would be worried about the dialogue glitch.
-- Rob
Anne
| Kelly Bishop just looked odd, period, in the pilot. They definitely did
| SOMETHING to change her look later on, but damn if I can figure out
| what!
It's something around the chin/cheek area. The chin was weaker, the cheeks
less full. So perhaps a face lift or implants of some kind ?
Richard, on the other hand, seemed much younger in the pilot.
Paige Matthews
wrote:
Maybe he looks younger because he was two years younger?
Rob Jensen
wrote:
>[snip]
>
>| Kelly Bishop just looked odd, period, in the pilot. They definitely did
>| SOMETHING to change her look later on, but damn if I can figure out
>| what!
>
>It's something around the chin/cheek area. The chin was weaker, the cheeks
>less full. So perhaps a face lift or implants of some kind ?
Emily's hair and makeup radically changed between the pilot and
episode 2. A lot can be done with *just* makeup (even natural,
non-prosthetic makeup for TV) to make a person look younger, older,
harsher, to emphasize jawlines to make the person look thinner or more
filled out in the face.
Or ASP may have made a creative decision in conjunction with KB to
have her put on a few pounds to make Emily look waaaay less severe,
taking her out of the Cruella de Ville look in order to make Emily
look more sympathetic and bring in what was supposed to be there all
along: the possibility that Emily could change her attitude toward
Lorelai in tiny steps throughout the course of the series.
David E. Milligan
> On Sat, 17 May 2008 02:07:40 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>In article <170520081820239888%any...@anywhere-anytime.com>,
>>any...@anywhere-anytime.com says...
>>> In article <%AoXj.34993$7a.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David E.
>>> Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
>>> > And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the
>>> > missing Gazebo and other SH landmarks).
>>> > Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but
>>> > I never realized it would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
>>> > Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
[...]
>>
> Rory's birthday is in early-to-mid-October (they're consistent with
> that from s1 all the way through the series). Thus, in the few
> episodes before Rory's Two Birthdays, any reference to her being 16 is
> rounding, which isn't the least bit implausible.
>
> One very probable explanation (especially within Richard's social
> circle):
>
Lorelai was trying to emphasize to Joey that Rory was WAAY too young for him. Rounding up would
not be the way to do that. Saying she was fifteen would make more of an impact about her youth than
sixteen would.
> A person (whether Richard or Rory) rounds up when they don't want the
> other person to know when Rory's birthday is so that the third person
> doesn't try to get him/herself invited to Rory's birthday party when
> s/he's not wanted.
>
> One more shot at it: The episode could have been shot and meant to
> air *after* Rory's Birthday Paries.
Since it was the Pilot ep, why would it be shown later? I thought that was the idea of a pilot
ep -- to start things out introducing the settings, the people, and their relationships.
I don't think the Birthday episode had been written yet. And when it was, and since she
couldn't be seventeen, they probably hoped no one would notice.
Rob Jensen
<davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I see what you're getting at, but the subject of Rory's age
pre-Birthday Party was brought up one more time than the pilot. It
was brought up in the third episode, Kill Me Now:
RICHARD: (waiting impatiently for Rory) It's after 8:00. She should be
here already.
EMILY: She'll be here.
RICHARD: You're supposed to tee off at your designated time.
EMILY: You pay good money to that place. You'll tee off when you tee
off. Is that what you're wearing?
RICHARD: Yes.
EMILY: Hmm.
RICHARD: What's wrong with what I'm wearing?
EMILY: Nothing. It's fine.
RICHARD: This whole thing is absurd.
EMILY: She's your granddaughter.
RICHARD: She's a sixteen year old who would rather be at the mall.
I'm sure if I went around through eps 2, 4 and 5 I could find a couple
more references than just the pilot to the topic of rounding Rory's
age up to 16 when she was just a month-month-and-a-half shy of her
birthday. And it's really not too hard in this case to understand why
anybody and everybody who knows Lorelai and Rory would consciously or
subconsciously be rounding Rory's age up. Because Lorelai had Rory
when she was sixteen. Heck, you don't even have to backtrack from the
topic of Lorelai's birthday being mid-March-ish to do the math on
Rory's birthday (early October) to realize that Lorelai was 15 and ***
NOT *** 16 when Rory was conceived.
This would be entirely speculative without any sort of a reunion movie
as of yet providing any additional canonical information, but I would
think that Lorelai probably subconsciously started putting a little
bit more pressure on Rory regarding sex when Rory turned fifteen. Or,
alternately, that entire year, Lorelai freaked out and just didn't
date anybody -- not even the occasional two-months-and-she's-out guys.
And, most importantly, we have to take into consideration Rory
herself. We know from too many throughout the course of the series up
'til s4 that she was definitely feeling the pressure to, like, not
have a kid while she was still in high school. And she had to have
been feeling it from a bunch of differnt directions -- anyone rounding
her age up (whether in front of her or not).
But this is really one of those times where I put my dramaturge's hat
on to state the following:
The episodes exist in the order that they exist and therefore,
interpretation is a bit of an archaeological expedition of words. The
details specified were set in stone as soon as the given episode was
finished. So it's a proven fact that Rory is referred to as being
sixteen in at *least* two scripts (if not more, I'm not going to skim
through any more of the first six right now) as being sixteen weeks
before she actually does turn sixteen. Fact of the matter is, this
*seeming* error isn't actually an error *because* it's repeated and it
doesn't defy the laws of physics because it's just an idiomatic,
slanguistic way that age can be and is often referenced in our society
in an informal matter.
And that's waaaaay beyond us fans retconning Sean Gunn's first
character on the show "Mick," the DSL installer as just being Kirk
going through his Rolling Stones phase. That's really just a case of
Amy so liking to write for the actor that she created a specific new
character for him.
So, okay, sure, they all could have added the modifier "almost" to
Rory's age in those early episodes.
Whereas in the script for Kill Me Now, Richard says: "She's a sixteen
year old who would rather be at the mall."
You can't really have the dialogue be "She's an almost-sixteen-
year-old who would rather be at the mall" because, well, ugh,
unwieldly. And while it's technically correct, they clearly didn't
want to have Richard say, "She's a fifteen-year-old who would rather
be at the mall" because, well, the younger age suggests someone that
is less independent a teenager, less formed a personality than even a
sixteen-year-old would be.
He could have said, "She's almost sixteen years old; she'd rather be
at a mall."
Technically, the example I've provided is more correct -- but the
syntax change IMO alters the subtext so greatly that it might just
have spun Edward Herrmann off into a different interpretation of
Richard througout the scene. The example I provided has Richard being
a bit more introverted and self-pitying (the subtext being "she'd
rather be at the mall *than with me.* ) Whereas in the script as
written Richard is using the words as knives to transfer to Emily his
discomfort at not having to wait for his granddaughter but to have so
much time on his hands that he's fussing and fretting and trying to
look his best for her.
Also keep in mind that words are at a premium when you as a show
creator are contractually obligated to have a show that clocks in at
approximately 43 minutes and 12 seconds, plus or minus. That
timespan normally gets rounded up to 44 minutes for the sake of
brevity and informality and/or familiarity. Similarly, 15-going-on-16
gets rounded up to 16 for the sake of familiarity, informality and/or
to reinforce whatever the creator is wanting the subtext to be. In
that context, with so little time on hand to explain *everything* --
after all, they can't really put an asterisk on-screen during the show
with a footnote at the bottom of the screen that says, "he's rounding"
every time someone called Rory sixteen before she turned sixteen.
Okay, sure, a couple of the DVD season sets *did* have pop-up video
things that allowed for that, but somehow, I think it's just one of
those things that even the pop-up video tracks wouldn't point out
because it's just plain obvious: they're all rounding and they've
been rounding every since Rory got within spitting distance of turning
sixteen. The repetition of the fact that they're calling her sixteen
even when she isn't is important in and of itself, it's information in
and of itself revealing how different characters regard Rory.
And I'm just going to say this again for emphasis as a dramaturge:
when any kind of diagogue is repeated, it's not a mistake. Doesn't
matter if it's not repeated until a later episode -- repetition of an
idea (such as rounding up an age) is *always* significant. It
*always* means something.
And in this case, it seems to me like basically someone who's started
watching the show straight through from the pilot to Rory's Birthday
Parties, one who notices the obvious statements of Rory being sixteen,
would, while watching Rory's Birthday Parties, realize, "Holy Shit! I
thought she was *already* sixteen!" and then look back at all the
previous references in, after all, are a very small handful of
episodes and think not, "Geez, these writers don't know math," they'll
be saying, "So many of these characters are rounding Rory's age up to
the age that Lorelai was when she gave birth to Rory -- wow, her
pressure-cooker Sweet Sixteen year started, like, three months early."
Or something like that. ASP and her staff of writers know that we're
not idiots. We'll pick up on everything because they know that we
like to and they know that we'll trying to find transcripts or
freeze-frame a picture while the closed-captions are on to pour over a
single word, much less a single sentence.
Yes, there've been a couple of continuity (timeline) mistakes -- Kirk
being depicted as new to the town while arguing with Miss Patty at the
market in another early episode being one example of a clear
continuity mistake, but the presence of a continuity mistake does not
mean that everything that appears to be a mistake *is* a mistake. It's
actually the other way around -- everything is presumed intentional
(innocent) until proven a mistake (guilty). That's how interpretation
of a script *always* works, whether you're writing a new one or you're
datamining an old one.
So, anyway, they were rounding. Clearly, she isn't sixteen until she
turns sixteen, so when they refer to her as sixteen before she turns
sixteen then by definition, they're rounding. QED.
Cory
Shut...@aol.com says...
> On Mon, 19 May 2008 12:36:05 GMT, "Anne" <AnneW...@tpsrept.edu>
> wrote:
>
> >[snip]
> >
> >| Kelly Bishop just looked odd, period, in the pilot. They definitely did
> >| SOMETHING to change her look later on, but damn if I can figure out
> >| what!
> >
> >It's something around the chin/cheek area. The chin was weaker, the cheeks
> >less full. So perhaps a face lift or implants of some kind ?
>
> Emily's hair and makeup radically changed between the pilot and
> episode 2.
The more I think about this, the more I become convinced that KB was
wearing a wig in the pilot, or in the series as a whole AFTER the pilot.
Either way, I've become convinced that she wore a wig at SOME point
during GG.
--- Cory
Rob Jensen
Cory
Shut...@aol.com says...
> On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:59:32 -0500, Cory <my_whe...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
<snip...>
> >The more I think about this, the more I become convinced that KB was
> >wearing a wig in the pilot, or in the series as a whole AFTER the pilot.
> >Either way, I've become convinced that she wore a wig at SOME point
> >during GG.
>
> Just one?
>
> -- Rob
You know what I mean, wiseacre!!!
;-)
--- Cory
Cory
Aw, man, this reminds me of when Rory met Straub and Francine in
"Christopher Returns":
Lorelai: Did you just curtsy?
Rory: Shut up!
Lorelai: Sorry, milady.
http://www.tv.com/gilmore-girls/christopher-
returns/episode/8961/trivia.html or http://snurl.com/34ekr
--- Cory
--
"Life without liberty is like a body without spirit." --- Kahlil Gibran
David E. Milligan
"Cory" <my_whe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <170520081820239888%any...@anywhere-anytime.com>,
> any...@anywhere-anytime.com says...
>> In article <%AoXj.34993$7a.2...@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David E.
>> Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>> > ABC Family started back with the pilot ep today.
>> > And again I see why I was hooked from the very first scene (despite the
>> > missing Gazebo and
>> > other SH landmarks).
>> > Knew from the start Lor & Luke were going to be the couple to watch (but
>> > I never realized it
>> > would take so long for them to consummate their "couple-ness").
>> > Lor said Ror was 16, but she wasn't.
>> > Emily's hair was --- different/odd.
>> > Rory sitting next to Richard on the sofa looked to be about 13 even
>> > though AB was 19.
>> > Richard said Rory was tall. I guess it had been a long long time since
>> > the last time he'd seen her.
>>
>> I can't recall exactly, but either they hadn't seen Rory since she was
>> a baby or they had never met her before.
>
> Aw, man, this reminds me of when Rory met Straub and Francine in
> "Christopher Returns":
>
> Lorelai: Did you just curtsy?
>
> Rory: Shut up!
>
> Lorelai: Sorry, milady.
>
Some clever and amazing and hilarious dialog, no doubt. <sigh> Still miss seeing new eps.
Anybody
Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
NCIS has some nice dialog too - not as often as Gilmore Girls, but
usually there's a a few in each episode. :-)
David E. Milligan
"Anybody" <any...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
news:280720080941436734%any...@anywhere-anytime.com...
Never watched NCIS until a few months ago and now am hooked. Luckily there are NCIS
marathons all the time, so I think I am caught up. Hated it when Agent Kate bought it, but Ziva's
a good replacement. Calling M.E. Mallard "Ducky" doesn't seem to fit his background and education
for some reason. I wouldn't think he would allow it. Not too crazy about DiNozzo. If he were in
the real world, with his sexist attitude, he'd be out on his ass in a heartbeat.
David
Anybody
Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> "Anybody" <any...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote in message
> news:280720080941436734%any...@anywhere-anytime.com...
> > In article <EbCik.6923$dP6....@bignews1.bellsouth.net>, "David E.
> > Milligan" <davi...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Cory" <my_whe...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:MPG.22f294476...@news.motzarella.org...
> >> >
> >> > Aw, man, this reminds me of when Rory met Straub and Francine in
> >> > "Christopher Returns":
> >> >
> >> > Lorelai: Did you just curtsy?
> >> >
> >> > Rory: Shut up!
> >> >
> >> > Lorelai: Sorry, milady.
> >>
> >> Some clever and amazing and hilarious dialog, no doubt. <sigh> Still miss
> >> seeing new eps.
> >
> > NCIS has some nice dialog too - not as often as Gilmore Girls, but
> > usually there's a a few in each episode. :-)
>
> Never watched NCIS until a few months ago and now am hooked. Luckily
> there are NCIS marathons all the time, so I think I am caught up. Hated it
> when Agent Kate bought it, but Ziva's a good replacement. Calling M.E.
> Mallard "Ducky" doesn't seem to fit his background and education for some
> reason. I wouldn't think he would allow it. Not too crazy about DiNozzo.
> If he were in the real world, with his sexist attitude, he'd be out on his
> ass in a heartbeat.
>
> David
Jethro would also be fired for always hitting DiNozzo on the back of
the head. :-)
David E. Milligan
If anyone had the testicular fortitude, or a death wish.
Anybody
<any...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
Another show with some great lines is Psych.
Rob Jensen
<any...@anywhere-anytime.com> wrote:
Some?! I'm pretty much laughing my head off the entire hour of most
episodes. "Lights . . . Cameras . . . Homocidio" (the telenovela one
from last season) was especially hilarious, right down to the Spanish
version of the Psych theme song over the opening credits.