Yeah, I'm bored, playing Mario is only interesting for so long....
--
you know... there isn't a part of that
sentence that I don't need explained?!
http://fear.mybigmouth.com
I guess Chloe has a loose interpretation of dancing? ;)
> Yeah, I'm bored, playing Mario is only interesting for so long....
And this group is so dead lately. So, do you think Chandler ought to pay
Phoebe $7000? Because at the end of TOW the Thumb, she says, "I'll give you
$7000 if you never smoke again." Not "if you quit." And he *has* smoked
since then. OTOH, she didn't say, "or else you have to give it back to me."
--
Belphoebe
She just wanted to get him to dance, and she saw it was easy, when he said
"I like this song" or sth like that. Saying "you're practically dancing
already" was enough to convince him, as he was hardly thinking about
anything at the time. ;)
--
whiteleaf
"If you ever need holding, call my name, and I'll be there
If you ever need holding and no holding back, I'll see you through
Sky Blue And Black" [jb]
>> Yeah, I'm bored, playing Mario is only interesting for so long....
>
> And this group is so dead lately. So, do you think Chandler ought to
> pay Phoebe $7000?
Yes I do. But there can't be much debate about that, huh?
Another thing, since I'm obviously in the middle of re-watching S3:
How come Rachel never admitted that Ross was right about Mark after all?
We never saw him after TOW the tiny T-Shirt, where Rachel told him that
it wasn't gonna happen. If he were "just a friend" as Rachel always
insisted, he would have stuck around, wouldn't he?
He wasn't right about him! While R&R were a couple there was nothing
going on with Rachel & Mark. Maybe Mark wanted more but Rachel
didn't.
Rachel never appologised or really addressed the issue of giving her
phone number to the guy in the bar or kissing the guy on the balcony
while Ross was looking after 'their' baby.
> He wasn't right about him! While R&R were a couple there was nothing
> going on with Rachel & Mark. Maybe Mark wanted more but Rachel
> didn't.
Ross never said Rachel wanted more from Mark, he only said he was
uncomfortable with him being around her since he was obviously
interested in her.
Chandler would try, though. :)
I'll bet Phoebe could really use that $7000 for her wedding now--and she
seems to have gotten over her issues with tainted money.
> Another thing, since I'm obviously in the middle of re-watching S3:
> How come Rachel never admitted that Ross was right about Mark after
> all? We never saw him after TOW the tiny T-Shirt, where Rachel told
> him that it wasn't gonna happen. If he were "just a friend" as Rachel
> always insisted, he would have stuck around, wouldn't he?
Rachel admitting that Ross was right about something during that whole ugly
time? Wasn't happening. The leitmotif was all how wrong Ross was, no?
Just saw 1.19 TOW the Monkey Gets Away again yesterday, and noticed a little
parallel with TOW the Rumor (8.09):
Ross: Oh, no no no. Nono, this is just vintage Rachel. I mean, things just
sort of happen around you. I mean, you're off in Rachel-land, doing your
Rachel-thing, totally oblivious to people's monkeys, or to people's
feelings... (1.09)
Will: I said it was typical. Typical of you, Rachel Green, Queen Rachel does
whatever she wants in little Rachel land. (Does a fake hair flip.) (8.09)
This must have been one of their topics of discussion at the "I Hate Rachel"
Club. It seems to me Ross even did a quick little fake hair flip, after
"Rachel land," but maybe I imagined it (too lazy to check right now!).
--
Belphoebe
OT.
I loved that so much.
(But hardly anyone didn't, right?)
>>> And this group is so dead lately. So, do you think Chandler
>>> ought to pay Phoebe $7000?
>>
>> Yes I do. But there can't be much debate about that, huh?
>
> Chandler would try, though. :)
>
> I'll bet Phoebe could really use that $7000 for her wedding now--and
> she seems to have gotten over her issues with tainted money.
So much has changed in this show. The worst part of it, it spoils
watching the old stuff for me, as I can't seem to stop thinking about
what all these great episodes eventually lead to :(
>> Another thing, since I'm obviously in the middle of re-watching S3:
>> How come Rachel never admitted that Ross was right about Mark
>> after all? We never saw him after TOW the tiny T-Shirt, where
>> Rachel told him that it wasn't gonna happen. If he were "just a
>> friend" as Rachel always insisted, he would have stuck around,
>> wouldn't he?
>
> Rachel admitting that Ross was right about something during that
> whole ugly time? Wasn't happening. The leitmotif was all how wrong
> Ross was, no?
That's one of the things that could have been done in S5 or S6, when the
focus was on M+C. Instead of pulling cheap stunts like a Vegas wedding
or a flirtatious sister, some of this old stuff could have been brought
up. They still could have done their sweeps routine, in that one of them
finally freaks out and blows the other one off - this way people would
be fonder (more fond?) of an reunion, if there's going to be one.
(because they got to see these two are willing to work on their
problems...) oh well.
> Just saw 1.19 TOW the Monkey Gets Away again yesterday, and noticed a
> little parallel with TOW the Rumor (8.09):
(...)
> This must have been one of their topics of discussion at the "I Hate
> Rachel" Club. It seems to me Ross even did a quick little fake hair
> flip, after "Rachel land," but maybe I imagined it (too lazy to check
> right now!).
I think he did the hair flip as well. It's been ages since I watched
that ep though. Hey, let's make this the official reminiscing thread ;)
Can you think of anything else worth mentioning?
André
Well, what about Phoebe meeting her brother in 206? He accidentally gave
her a condom and then wanted it back.
--
whiteleaf
"Was it love, or was it the idea of being in love?
Or was it the hand of fate, that seemed to fit just like a glove?" [pf]
Women never will admit that their man was right. They tell us that we are
being unreasonably jealous
instead of considering that we *might* actually understand another man
better than they, a woman, do.
But do I sound bitter? Noooooo.....
> Women never will admit that their man was right. They tell us that
> we are being unreasonably jealous instead of considering that we
> *might* actually understand another man better than they, a woman,
> do. But do I sound bitter? Noooooo.....
*lol* I'm with you my friend ;)
--
My wallet's too small for my fifties
and my diamond shoes are too tight
http://fear.mybigmouth.com
>> I'll bet Phoebe could really use that $7000 for her wedding now--and
>> she seems to have gotten over her issues with tainted money.
>
> So much has changed in this show. The worst part of it, it spoils
> watching the old stuff for me, as I can't seem to stop thinking about
> what all these great episodes eventually lead to :(
I know what you mean. I know I keep bringing this up, but here I go again:
Phoebe used to be a person who never lied (and she made the best
oatmeal-raisin cookies in the world!). Since then, she's become conniving,
and she lies without giving it a second thought. :(
>> Rachel admitting that Ross was right about something during that
>> whole ugly time? Wasn't happening. The leitmotif was all how wrong
>> Ross was, no?
>
> That's one of the things that could have been done in S5 or S6, when
> the focus was on M+C. Instead of pulling cheap stunts like a Vegas
> wedding or a flirtatious sister, some of this old stuff could have
> been brought up. They still could have done their sweeps routine, in
> that one of them finally freaks out and blows the other one off -
> this way people would be fonder (more fond?) of an reunion, if
> there's going to be one. (because they got to see these two are
> willing to work on their problems...) oh well.
This would have been so much better, I agree. I guess the writers found it
much easier to shovel in a boatload of "WE WERE ON A BREAK!" followed by
withering stares.
>> Just saw 1.19 TOW the Monkey Gets Away again yesterday, and noticed a
>> little parallel with TOW the Rumor (8.09):
> (...)
>> This must have been one of their topics of discussion at the "I Hate
>> Rachel" Club. It seems to me Ross even did a quick little fake hair
>> flip, after "Rachel land," but maybe I imagined it (too lazy to check
>> right now!).
>
> I think he did the hair flip as well. It's been ages since I watched
> that ep though. Hey, let's make this the official reminiscing thread
> ;) Can you think of anything else worth mentioning?
I was thinking of something a couple of days ago, but now I forget what it
was--I hate when it happens. I'm sure I'll think of something else, though.
--
Belphoebe
>> I think he did the hair flip as well. It's been ages since I watched
>> that ep though. Hey, let's make this the official reminiscing thread ;)
>> Can you think of anything else worth mentioning?
>
> Well, what about Phoebe meeting her brother in 206? He accidentally gave
> her a condom and then wanted it back.
The producers mention that in their commentary for TOW the embryos.
Apparently they cast Ribisi without really having a role for him to
play, so he made that one appearance as the random guy in the street and
when the idea of Phoebe's brother came up they contacted him, telling
him that they finally found a role for him
André
>> So much has changed in this show. The worst part of it, it spoils
>> watching the old stuff for me, as I can't seem to stop thinking
>> about what all these great episodes eventually lead to :(
>
> I know what you mean. I know I keep bringing this up, but here I go
> again: Phoebe used to be a person who never lied (and she made the
> best oatmeal-raisin cookies in the world!). Since then, she's become
> conniving, and she lies without giving it a second thought. :(
Just think of last year's Thanksgiving episode when she instructs Joey
on how to lie.
> I guess the writers found it much easier to shovel in a boatload of
> "WE WERE ON A BREAK!" followed by withering stares.
Listening to the commentary on the S3 DVDs was quite interesting, as
David Crane said one of the outstanding things about Friends is that
they go through with these storylines, they are daring enough to break
up the couple that was pretty much the focus of the first three years
etc. But on the other hand, he didn't seem to like seeing "his"
characters suffer like that. Martha Kauffman really annoyed me with her
"they're so much better when they fight" - especially since it was like
every other sentence
> I was thinking of something a couple of days ago, but now I forget
> what it was--I hate when it happens. I'm sure I'll think of
> something else, though.
Haven't we been here before?
<3fc4c325$0$20246$9b4e...@newsread2.arcor-online.net> :)
Exactly. She's even giving lessons to others. (Not that Joey really needed
the assistance--it's not as if he'd never lied in past episodes.)
>> I guess the writers found it much easier to shovel in a boatload of
>> "WE WERE ON A BREAK!" followed by withering stares.
>
> Listening to the commentary on the S3 DVDs was quite interesting, as
> David Crane said one of the outstanding things about Friends is that
> they go through with these storylines, they are daring enough to break
> up the couple that was pretty much the focus of the first three years
> etc. But on the other hand, he didn't seem to like seeing "his"
> characters suffer like that. Martha Kauffman really annoyed me with
> her "they're so much better when they fight" - especially since it
> was like every other sentence
Ugh, MK needs a reality check--they are so NOT better when they fight! I've
with DC on this one!
>> I was thinking of something a couple of days ago, but now I forget
>> what it was--I hate when it happens. I'm sure I'll think of
>> something else, though.
>
> Haven't we been here before?
> <3fc4c325$0$20246$9b4e...@newsread2.arcor-online.net> :)
Heh. Yup, but since the writers have been repeating themselves, I guess
it's okay for us to, as well. :)
--
Belphoebe
>> Just think of last year's Thanksgiving episode when she instructs
>> Joey on how to lie.
>
> Exactly. She's even giving lessons to others. (Not that Joey really
> needed the assistance--it's not as if he'd never lied in past
> episodes.)
He was too dumb to lie in that episode though
>> Listening to the commentary on the S3 DVDs was quite interesting,
>> as David Crane said one of the outstanding things about Friends is
>> that they go through with these storylines, they are daring enough
>> to break up the couple that was pretty much the focus of the first
>> three years etc. But on the other hand, he didn't seem to like
>> seeing "his" characters suffer like that. Martha Kauffman really
>> annoyed me with her "they're so much better when they fight" -
>> especially since it was like every other sentence
>
> Ugh, MK needs a reality check--they are so NOT better when they
> fight!
Since I read the first interview with Marta Kauffman I didn't like her.
She was the one to say "these fans of the show should get real friends"
or something to that affect when asked about the hardcore fans. Also she
took her private matters onto the show, she insisted on the scene where
Phoebe makes Ross apologize to the cat in 402 even though nearly
everybody else was against it (her mother had just died).
> I've with DC on this one!
Yeah, I don't really understand why people liked their "big" fight in S9
which caused Rachel to move out. The storyline around it was really
stupid and it seemed poorly acted, at least compared with the infamous
TOT morning after. But it is a general observation of mine that Marta
Kauffman brings hardly any value to the audio commentaries in general,
she seems to be talking about herself most of the time (on the S2 DVDs
she goes on about how the OJ trial affected her to an extent she
couldn't concentrate on the shoot at hand...), whereas Kevin S. Bright
and David Crane do share some interesting anecdotes/insights - Kevin S.
Bright even causes the first *bleep* in Friends history :)
> Heh. Yup, but since the writers have been repeating themselves, I
> guess it's okay for us to, as well. :)
Meanwhile, I came across something. Monica asking Rachel if she'd be a
surrogate is kind of weird in retrospect, huh? I mean, not only did
Rachel get pregnant but also Monica can't seem to get pregnant and is
now looking into adoption. What are the odds? :)
>> Exactly. She's even giving lessons to others. (Not that Joey really
>> needed the assistance--it's not as if he'd never lied in past
>> episodes.)
>
> He was too dumb to lie in that episode though
Oh, right--it's the brain damage that comes and goes. ;)
>> Ugh, MK needs a reality check--they are so NOT better when they
>> fight!
>
> Since I read the first interview with Marta Kauffman I didn't like
> her. She was the one to say "these fans of the show should get real
> friends" or something to that affect when asked about the hardcore
> fans.
Wow--what a nasty attitude. :(
> Also she took her private matters onto the show, she insisted
> on the scene where Phoebe makes Ross apologize to the cat in 402 even
> though nearly everybody else was against it (her mother had just
> died).
Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Argh. She was so, so wrong about that!
>> I've with DC on this one!
>
> Yeah, I don't really understand why people liked their "big" fight in
> S9 which caused Rachel to move out. The storyline around it was really
> stupid and it seemed poorly acted, at least compared with the infamous
> TOT morning after.
The fight was ridiculous, I agree. It was a "we need an excuse for her to
move out" fight.
> But it is a general observation of mine that Marta
> Kauffman brings hardly any value to the audio commentaries in general,
> she seems to be talking about herself most of the time (on the S2 DVDs
> she goes on about how the OJ trial affected her to an extent she
> couldn't concentrate on the shoot at hand...),
She should have gone home and let the other two take over!
> whereas Kevin S. Bright
> and David Crane do share some interesting anecdotes/insights - Kevin
> S. Bright even causes the first *bleep* in Friends history :)
Oh, how did he do that!
>> Heh. Yup, but since the writers have been repeating themselves, I
>> guess it's okay for us to, as well. :)
>
> Meanwhile, I came across something. Monica asking Rachel if she'd be a
> surrogate is kind of weird in retrospect, huh? I mean, not only did
> Rachel get pregnant but also Monica can't seem to get pregnant and is
> now looking into adoption. What are the odds? :)
Ah, good point. Now Rachel has to announce her engagement, so Monica can
discover she's pregnant (and steal her thunder). ;)
--
Belphoebe
>> Since I read the first interview with Marta Kauffman I didn't like
>> her. She was the one to say "these fans of the show should get real
>> friends" or something to that affect when asked about the hardcore
>> fans.
>
> Wow--what a nasty attitude. :(
People around here weren't too happy when that interview came out (I
think it was between S8 and S9)
>> Also she took her private matters onto the show, she insisted on
>> the scene where Phoebe makes Ross apologize to the cat in 402 even
>> though nearly everybody else was against it (her mother had just
>> died).
>
> Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Argh. She was so, so wrong about
> that!
The only part about it that bothered me was how Phoebe and Rachel forced
Ross to apologize to the cat, Phoebe even giving this speech about
losing a parent and then she goes with what Ross has said all along,
that the cat needs to be given back. *humph*
>> Yeah, I don't really understand why people liked their "big" fight
>> in S9 which caused Rachel to move out. The storyline around it was
>> really stupid and it seemed poorly acted, at least compared with
>> the infamous TOT morning after.
>
> The fight was ridiculous, I agree. It was a "we need an excuse for
> her to move out" fight.
IMO, it was an "we can't think of anything else and have 1.5 more
seasons to kill, so we'll rekindle the J+R thing and for that we have to
move her back over to Joey" fight ;)
>> whereas Kevin S. Bright and David Crane do share some interesting
>> anecdotes/insights - Kevin S. Bright even causes the first *bleep*
>> in Friends history :)
>
> Oh, how did he do that!
He explained how Ross' way of giving the finger came about, saying they
needed a way to say "*bleep* you" and getting it past the censors :)
> Ah, good point. Now Rachel has to announce her engagement, so Monica
> can discover she's pregnant (and steal her thunder). ;)
I'm out of ideas now, except I propose S4 be called "The Ernie & Bert
show", because Chandler and Joey are just like them in that season :)
When Phoebe gets married, I wonder if she'll stick to their Maid of
Honour arrangements. Hopefully Monica would drive Phoebe nuts with all
her wedding suggestions, enough to make her dump Mike and runs off to
find David. :)
Priya
>>> Also she took her private matters onto the show, she insisted on
>>> the scene where Phoebe makes Ross apologize to the cat in 402 even
>>> though nearly everybody else was against it (her mother had just
>>> died).
>>
>> Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Argh. She was so, so wrong about
>> that!
>
> The only part about it that bothered me was how Phoebe and Rachel
> forced Ross to apologize to the cat, Phoebe even giving this speech
> about losing a parent and then she goes with what Ross has said all
> along, that the cat needs to be given back. *humph*
Yup, because he was right. Grrrr. :)
>> The fight was ridiculous, I agree. It was a "we need an excuse for
>> her to move out" fight.
>
> IMO, it was an "we can't think of anything else and have 1.5 more
> seasons to kill, so we'll rekindle the J+R thing and for that we have
> to move her back over to Joey" fight ;)
Yes, that, too!
>>> whereas Kevin S. Bright and David Crane do share some interesting
>>> anecdotes/insights - Kevin S. Bright even causes the first *bleep*
>>> in Friends history :)
>>
>> Oh, how did he do that!
>
> He explained how Ross' way of giving the finger came about, saying
> they needed a way to say "*bleep* you" and getting it past the
> censors :)
Oh, I get it. I thought you meant he caused someone to actually say
something that they had to bleep out. . . .
Hmm, I wonder if MK cried the night KB came up with that. ;)
> I'm out of ideas now, except I propose S4 be called "The Ernie & Bert
> show", because Chandler and Joey are just like them in that season :)
Is Joey Ernie?
While watching TOW Phoebe's Dad, I thought of what you'd written regarding
knowing how things change in future eps. That whole bit with the
grandmother saying P's dad is the guy who knocked up her mom and stole her
Gremlin is ruined by the whole Teri Garr thing in S3/4. :(
--
Belphoebe
> When Phoebe gets married, I wonder if she'll stick to their Maid of
> Honour arrangements. Hopefully Monica would drive Phoebe nuts with all
> her wedding suggestions, enough to make her dump Mike and runs off to
> find David. :)
It would be fun to see Monica driving Phoebe nuts as her MOH, though I doubt
she'd end up leaving Mike for David. ;)
I have a feeling Monica will be too preoccupied with other things to do her
usual Monica approach to being a MOH.
--
Belphoebe
> Oh, I get it. I thought you meant he caused someone to actually say
> something that they had to bleep out. . . .
Don't I remember someone daring Lisa Kudrow to swear in her scene alone
with the triplets? I think it was Matthew Perry
> Hmm, I wonder if MK cried the night KB came up with that. ;)
muahaha... :)
>> I'm out of ideas now, except I propose S4 be called "The Ernie &
>> Bert show", because Chandler and Joey are just like them in that
>> season :)
>
> Is Joey Ernie?
I dunno, but Chandler seems more like a Bert kind of guy, doesn't he? So
yeah, Joey is Ernie then
> While watching TOW Phoebe's Dad, I thought of what you'd written
> regarding knowing how things change in future eps. That whole bit
> with the grandmother saying P's dad is the guy who knocked up her mom
> and stole her Gremlin is ruined by the whole Teri Garr thing in S3/4.
> :(
How do you mean?
Meanwhile, I watched the episode that is completely ruined to me because
of the above, TOW Ross's wedding. Up until then, everything was cool,
but all of a sudden there seems to be nothing but tension between Ross
and Emily, and Chandler and Monica get together, which was the first
step in removing the best buds idea from the show :(
I can't say I fully enjoyed any season since then, even though many
people rate S5 so highly.
Another thing I did notice was in the "morning's here" episode is, that
Chandler's bed room can't be where we see it since there's a wall there,
the wall we see in Joey's room when we look into it from the living room
doesn't seem to exist and I wonder if the "morning's here" guy has
moved, else Rachel should hear him now as well, don't you think?
That sounds like something he'd do. :)
>> Hmm, I wonder if MK cried the night KB came up with that. ;)
>
> muahaha... :)
:)
>> Is Joey Ernie?
>
> I dunno, but Chandler seems more like a Bert kind of guy, doesn't he?
> So yeah, Joey is Ernie then
My son loves _Sesame Street_, so I've been watching again. In some ways
they're both kind of Ernie-ish--Bert doesn't have that great a sense of
humor. Plus he reads books about oatmeal and stares at paperclips. But
Chandler's more responsible, so he's more Bert-like in that respect.
>> While watching TOW Phoebe's Dad, I thought of what you'd written
>> regarding knowing how things change in future eps. That whole bit
>> with the grandmother saying P's dad is the guy who knocked up her mom
>> and stole her Gremlin is ruined by the whole Teri Garr thing in S3/4.
>> :(
>
> How do you mean?
The TG episodes took motherhood away from Lily--and made it so she'd never
been "knocked up." Are we supposed to think the grandmother was lying about
that, or that Lily lied to her mother? Grrrr. I wish they'd never done
that. :(
> Meanwhile, I watched the episode that is completely ruined to me
> because of the above, TOW Ross's wedding. Up until then, everything
> was cool, but all of a sudden there seems to be nothing but tension
> between Ross and Emily, and Chandler and Monica get together, which
> was the first step in removing the best buds idea from the show :(
> I can't say I fully enjoyed any season since then, even though many
> people rate S5 so highly.
Yes, IKWYM about the London eps. :(
> Another thing I did notice was in the "morning's here" episode is,
> that Chandler's bed room can't be where we see it since there's a
> wall there, the wall we see in Joey's room when we look into it from
> the living room doesn't seem to exist and I wonder if the "morning's
> here" guy has moved, else Rachel should hear him now as well, don't
> you think?
Yes, there are definitely problems with the layout of the building, in that
ep and others. I've also wondered about the "morning's here" guy. Also, in
that episode, Rachel thought the apartment was horrible, but apparently it's
just fine with her now. And remember how mean Rachel was to Joey in that
episode?
--
Belphoebe
>> Don't I remember someone daring Lisa Kudrow to swear in her scene
>> alone with the triplets? I think it was Matthew Perry
>
> That sounds like something he'd do. :)
This won't leave me alone until I find out where I got that from, which
means I'll have to go through all my Friends stuff, which is way too
much anyway. I have a suspicion it's from 715a though
>>> Is Joey Ernie?
>>
>> I dunno, but Chandler seems more like a Bert kind of guy, doesn't
>> he? So yeah, Joey is Ernie then
>
> My son loves _Sesame Street_, so I've been watching again. In some
> ways they're both kind of Ernie-ish--Bert doesn't have that great a
> sense of humor. Plus he reads books about oatmeal and stares at
> paperclips. But Chandler's more responsible, so he's more Bert-like
> in that respect.
Yeah, and also Bert sometimes has this disapproving quality about him,
doesn't he? Ernie just seems more easygoing in general
> The TG episodes took motherhood away from Lily--and made it so she'd
> never been "knocked up." Are we supposed to think the grandmother
> was lying about that, or that Lily lied to her mother? Grrrr. I
> wish they'd never done that. :(
Ah, I see. The whole story arc about Phoebe and her parents is
disgraceful IMHO. It only ever came up in the middle of a season and was
never given the importance it deserved. The way her father was revealed
was shameful, if you think about how many episodes these people can
waste on Ross not being okay with Joey dating Rachel for example, which
everybody knew anyway. This is quite an important part of the character
and even when this arc was explored she was second fiddle to the others...
> Yes, IKWYM about the London eps. :(
Many people I've spoken to seem to have stopped watching Friends around
then, especially from my English friends.
> Yes, there are definitely problems with the layout of the building,
> in that ep and others. I've also wondered about the "morning's here"
> guy. Also, in that episode, Rachel thought the apartment was
> horrible, but apparently it's just fine with her now. And remember
> how mean Rachel was to Joey in that episode?
Good point about Rachel bitching about the apartment. But since it's her
you could probably explain this away with laziness, at least this way
she doesn't have to go looking for a place of her own and she can drop
Emma off at Monica's or Ross's without having to go all that far. Not
saying she would, because she seems very strongly attached to Emma, but
the possibility is there.
Happy new year to everyone btw!
André