What If We Could Bring Firefly Back? Plot Ideas?
Crazy About TV
new plot lines might be interesting?
I think another war would be an absolute must. Another thing I'd like
to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
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Ken from Chicago
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FIREFLY: POSSE
"Are you out of your gorram mind?!!"
"I assure you, Captain Reynolds, I am quite sane. Think of this as an offer
you shouldn't refuse."
"What in blue blazes would make you think I'd sign up to be some Alliance
marshall? More like some lackey."
"For your sake, and the sake of the frontier worlds. Because you're a decent
man, and despite whatever differences you have with the Alliance, you want
what's best for the people. You want freedom, elbow room, independence."
"Wow, general, are you sure, you waint secretly a Browncoat?"
"Let me be blunt, then, you *want* to be the special investigations marshall
for two simple reasons: One, despite the Independence Faction's claims for
freedom, and wanting to live and let live, you've lived too long out here on
the frontier and have seen what *really* happens when a people are ... too
... free. Anarchy, chaos, the strong preying on the weak. You don't merely
want freedom, you also want fairness, a fair play, for yourself, your crew,
and for the people."
"Well, I'm no saint."
"True, but you are decent, and decency can be a mighty scarce commodity out
in the wilderness. And it's that scarceness that leads to two, if you don't
take the job, I have to give it to someone else. A ... purplebelly ... who
would use the power to bully the people, antagonize them further? a
browncoat who'd turn a blind eye to every bit of lawlessness in the
frontier? and indie who'd simply be some merc or hunter, chasing down
bounties for the thrill, not caring who got caught in the crossfire? No, you
don't want that, and frankly I've got enough datawork without have to deal
with that kind of nonsense. Well?"
"I have conditions of my own. I get to choose my own deputies."
"I assume you mean your crew."
"And my ship."
"We hoped you'd keep your ship. It would maintain your cover, tho we weren't
sure whether or not it being on the edge of breaking down was a good or bad
thing, but felt that was the best part of maintaining your cover."
"Well ... um, . fine then, and if I quit, I quit with no harm to me or my
crew or my ship."
"Fine. Anything else?"
"Uh, no, I'm out of dema-"
"Good, here's your badge, Special Marshall Reynolds. Like I said, you can
continue plying your trade as before, handling problems that arise as you
see fit. We'll notify you of special cases needing attention and, oh, and we
will need quarterly reports of your progress."
"Hold on, here, no one said anything about reports. I'm no datajockey."
"It's not hard, just state who asked for help, what was the problem, when
you were notified, why you accepted the case and how you resolved it. Who
what, when why and how. If anonymity is needed just let me know. See, that
couldn't be easier. Plus your crew would have a guaranteed stipend during
the rough times."
"Well ... okay."
"Besides, think how many purplebellies you can tick off when you flash your
SIM badge."
"When you put it that way, it's a deal."
* * *
"Okay, everyone, I've got an announcement to make, you're all deputies."
* * *
"This is the General to Central Control, ... Phase III has commenced."
"Central Control, here, message received, all monitors are installed. Notify
us when Deputy River Tam is activated."
"It won't be long now."
-- Ken from Chicago
Rick
Hmmm....That one has possibilities.
--
Rick
P.S. If you need to email me, you know what to do with the 'spamtrap'.
___________________________
Buzzard, beginning a dive:
"Patience my Tail Feathers!
'I Aim To Misbehave!'
I'm going to kill something."
Al Gore
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> FIREFLY: POSSE
>
> "Are you out of your gorram mind?!!"
>
> "I assure you, Captain Reynolds, I am quite sane. Think of this as an offer
> you shouldn't refuse."
>
> "What in blue blazes would make you think I'd sign up to be some Alliance
> marshall? More like some lackey."
>
> "For your sake, and the sake of the frontier worlds. Because you're a decent
> man, and despite whatever differences you have with the Alliance, you want
> what's best for the people. You want freedom, elbow room, independence."
I can see Jayne being resistant to the idea until the first time his
badge got him layed. Or free drinks...
As for Zoe: "...Whatever you say, sir..."
And Kaylee: "For you, Captain, and Serenity. But I ain't wearin' no
gorram badge!"
--
Al
///////
Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and
those who matter don't mind.
-- Dr. Seuss
Xenobuzz
> I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
> new plot lines might be interesting?
>
> I think another war would be an absolute must.
That would make sense given how most would react to finding out that
the Alliance made the Reavers. The Alliance would likely be
politically forced to eradicate them, which would most likely involve
most or all of their forces. This would create a weakness in their
ability to control the inner planets, and make it difficult to recruit
new soldiers. All perks should the Browncoats decide to take advantage
of the situation. They wouldn't have trouble recruiting, I would
imagine!
> Another thing I'd like to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
I'd like to see the remainder of the crew dealing with the loss of Book
and Wash for a little while before new characters are brought aboard.
Mal could be tempted to flirt with the idea of finally finding
spiritual solace in Inara's arms. His issues with commitment and
"truthsome"-ness could always complicate things, making Inara
reconsider her notion to stay on the ship.
Kaylee and Simon could be the new happy couple (or not, Simon's
difficulty talking to girls dropping the occasional conversational
bomb) However, Zoe would probably be more than a little irritated at
them since it would remind her of Wash. Remember her and Wash makin'
baby talk in "Heart of Gold?" She could be pregnant.
Speakin' of baby-makin', now that River's head is on more or less
straight, her eyes might start to wander to the boys after spying on
her brother and Kaylee. That would probably irk Mal since he'd likely
demand that his new pilot to focus on only one kind of joystick.
Jayne, well, Jayne's Jayne. He can't change.
Dave S.
Kisses To You
serious, I don't care if he's a cyborg,a computer or if they use
magic to restore my favorite flyboy.That would be amazing..
Another idea perhaps we could bring back that wild
unpredictable Mrs.Reynolds for a few more episodes and ofcourse it
would be nice to see Simon and Kaylee get cozy together and
Finally more Mal and Inara hot heated confrontation just what ya
need to watch the sparks fly between the two...
But6 lets get back to Wash for a minute okay a few
minutes.......mmmmmm Wash
lol
Swyck
You) wrote:
> New plot ideas for Firefly ???Here's one to bring Wash back,yes I'm
>serious, I don't care if he's a cyborg,a computer or if they use
One way to bring Wash back is to fill in the months between the end of
the series and start of the movie.
Swyck
Kisses To You
C.O.Jones
Xenobuzz <xeno...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Crazy About TV wrote:
> > I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
> > new plot lines might be interesting?
> >
> > I think another war would be an absolute must.
>
> That would make sense given how most would react to finding out that
> the Alliance made the Reavers. The Alliance would likely be
> politically forced to eradicate them, which would most likely involve
> most or all of their forces. This would create a weakness in their
> ability to control the inner planets, and make it difficult to recruit
> new soldiers. All perks should the Browncoats decide to take advantage
> of the situation. They wouldn't have trouble recruiting, I would
> imagine!
As idealistic as that sounds, and even though the South, er,
Independents Shall Rise Again, I don't see that happening. The
Independents were whipped. They weren't just stopped, and then "Let's
Still Be Friends" like some Warnations are nowdays. I don't think that
they (the Independents) have much left, outside of a IRA terrorist war.
>
> > Another thing I'd like to see would be a few new characters to mix things
> > up a bit.
>
> I'd like to see the remainder of the crew dealing with the loss of Book
> and Wash for a little while before new characters are brought aboard.
I don't know. I can see a new guy accidentially saying the wrong thing
and getting decked by (pick ANY ONE of the crew). Sort of like the way
Zoe was with the body of Tracy.
> Mal could be tempted to flirt with the idea of finally finding
> spiritual solace in Inara's arms. His issues with commitment and
> "truthsome"-ness could always complicate things, making Inara
> reconsider her notion to stay on the ship.
We all want those two crazy kids get back together, don't we?!
>
> Kaylee and Simon could be the new happy couple (or not, Simon's
> difficulty talking to girls dropping the occasional conversational
> bomb) However, Zoe would probably be more than a little irritated at
> them since it would remind her of Wash. Remember her and Wash makin'
> baby talk in "Heart of Gold?" She could be pregnant.
Zoe being pregnant is a popular theory, and one that would really help
her get "over" Wash.
>
> Speakin' of baby-makin', now that River's head is on more or less
> straight, her eyes might start to wander to the boys after spying on
> her brother and Kaylee. That would probably irk Mal since he'd likely
> demand that his new pilot to focus on only one kind of joystick.
>
> Jayne, well, Jayne's Jayne. He can't change.
<Are you thinking what I'm thinking, Pinky?> "I-I think so, Brain. But
River and Jayne? What would you name the kids?"
--
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The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity.
-- Harlan Ellison
Ken from Chicago
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> Or we could just go with you know ,android ....
Oh come on, who'd believe Wash as a robot?!
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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Instead we find out he's that spear had revear blood on it and it infected
him, turning him into a hybrid reaver, with enhanced strength, endurance and
healing, but with powerful rages that he struggles to contain. The irony
being just as River is stabilizing emotionally, the doc has a new patient to
help out.
While I've suggest it as SERENITY 2: INTO THE BLACK, it could be done as a
series, where The Search For Wash, is an ongoing arc for the first season.
Meanwhile they are dealing with their new crewmember Book, Former Operative
Daniel Book. It's him who brings definitive evidence of Wash's
whereabouts--and that, plus Zoe, that keeps Mal from shooting Daniel on
sight.
That and that ex-Op Book is Shepard Book's estranged son.
-- Ken from Chicago
Al Gore
To You <BuffyS...@webtv.net> wrote:
I remember way back when we were fantizing about what the BDM could be
about, and someone had this great opening scene.
It opened on "The Girls of Serenity" skinnydipping in a creek on an
isolated planet, and it zooming back to show Jayne watching them
through the sites on Vera....
Kisses To You
for me ...
:-)
Ken from Chicago
> Wash as a more evolved reaver?Yes sure ,I'll go for that, that works
> for me ...
> :-)
The debut ep, has the Mal telling the Alliance general "Are you out of your
gorram mind?" then flashing back to their last caper, with everyone on edge:
--Mal on the edge of his wit's end (due to dodging the Alliance for
broadcasting Miranda and irate criminals who've been caught in the
crossfire),
--Zoe being on edge emotionally (being alone for the first time in a long
time),
--Inara on the edge of losing her license (due to revealing clients'
secrets, a technical violation of Companion law, some of her Companion
rivals are using since some of her clients had been involved in the
"Miranda" project)
--River being on the edge of insanity (as opposed to "full-tilt woo-woo", as
Jayne would put it),
--Simon on the edge of confusion (having to deal with a mostly sane sister
... who thinks she no longer needs her brother's "guidance", as he would
put, "smothering" as she would),
--Kaylee being on the edge of bliss (having finally bagged a doctor),
--Serenity on the edge of breakdown (cuz a certain mechanic has been
"distracted from her duties", as a certain captain would be put it)
--Jayne is Jayne ("ever the rock", as Jayne would put, "always on edge" as
everyone else would put it)
--and the group on the edge financially (due to fewer jobs due to Alliance
heat)
After Mal makes the big reveal, which everyone is thrilled about--except
Inara since clients are less likely to seek out a Companion who's in law
enforcement (but she hides her concerns due to the joy of the group).
After a celebratory outing (having found out the Alliance had given them a
significant "signing bonus") and getting fresh supplies, and Mal giving
assurances to his most loyal clients that the heat is off, they get packed
up for lift-off. That's when ex-operative, Daniel Book shows up--with 2 guns
... in his face, one from Mal and a shotgun from Zoe. Dan puts up his hands
when Zoe hears someone calling her by name: Wash. Zoe lowers her gun--to
Dan's gut, "Oh, you're gonna die slow for that."
Dan asks "If I may?". Upon receiving Mal's approval and only a glare from
Zoe--Dan activates the video portion of his holowatch to go with the audio
that was set to start when he raised his hands. The hologram shows Wash
rummaging around in some ramshackle town calling for Zoe--while he's scarred
up like reaver.
"I can't undo what I've done, those I've killed, including my own father,
but I can try to undo this," and he looks at Zoe directly, "Your husband's
'death'."
Zoe shakes, and slowly lowers her gun.
Mal lowers his gun. "So what's the price?"
"Don't worry captain, I've already paid it. This is ... penance, for the
deaths I've caused, including my own father's."
"Your father?"
"You knew him as 'Derrial Book', a shepard."
Mal's gun is suddenly pointed directly at Dan's head.
"Mal! ... wait, don't. For me, for ... for Wash."
Mal glares, finally holsters his gun and walks back into the ship.
"Thank you, madam. My name is 'Daniel Bo-URK!" as Zoe nearly coldcocks Dan
with the butt of her shotgun, tho shaky he remains standing, and finally
regains his balance.
He looks at Zoe directly, "I may be able to undo his condition, or may not.
But I can bring you to him. If I may?"
Zoe stands aside to let Dan on.
Dan comments sardonically "Well then, into the belly of the beast."
END
-- Ken from Chicago
C.O.Jones
You <BuffyS...@webtv.net> wrote:
...mine is an EVIL laugh...
http://www.fireflyfans.net/sunroomitem.asp?i=2140
;-)
Al Gore
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
That mostly works for me. I feel that perhaps a couple of the
characters aren't quite true to themselves, but mostly!
C.O.Jones
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Because this IS usenet, I feel it necessary to LOL, !! I GET IT!!!
Ken from Chicago
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<snip>
> That mostly works for me. I feel that perhaps a couple of the
> characters aren't quite true to themselves, but mostly!
Ah you mean more like this?
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.tv.firefly/msg/8835af03b5ac4bb4?hl=en&
-- Ken from Chicago
Beth
Can we have Wash and Book back?
--
Beth
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it is too
dark to read.
Groucho Marx
Xenobuzz
example. Would be interesting for us and prolly lots of fun for the
writers and and the actors. They could get a chance to do some
different things.
Make-up and costume along with talent can achieve some terrific
transformations.
Dave S.
Kisses To You
That could really really work,I love your idea.
If only we could get it back on the air .We'll need lots of
bucks,all the actors/writers/Joss, and a new station to call home.I am
on board to make it happen.Even though it seems impossible ...but hey
,underdogs usually come up with the best plans/ideas....
:-)
Al Gore
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Well, yeah. I never really saw Zoe as being that emotional about
another human being, but I guess she did probably get married the one
time. I guess she could do that.
Book, Daniel II?
C.O.Jones
wrote:
> Crazy About TV wrote:
> > I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
> > new plot lines might be interesting?
> >
> > I think another war would be an absolute must. Another thing I'd like
> > to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
> >
> > -------
> >
> > http://www.crazyabouttv.com/firefly.html
> >
>
> Can we have Wash and Book back?
Sure. How do you feel about Wash the born again Reaver? Or the Alliance
Op as Book 2?
Ok, REAL Book as a trancended being?
That Guy
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escaped convicts (they were on a ship bound for a terraforming project as
thier sentence when it was attacked by reavers and escaped in the chaos).
They have been trying to help fan the flames of rebellion again after
Miranda.
Among thier assets are a group of about 2000 browncoats who never
surrendered and have been on the fringe of the verse, a supposedly lost Ark
that they managed to acquire, a crime lord who sees the possibility of war
as profitable venture, a man who claims to be from Earth (that Still Is)
that wants to "fix" the government of the Verse, and Jesus Christ... or at
least someone claiming to be JC and seeming to have abilities that back up
the claim...
The upcoming war will be interesting to say the least.
Ken from Chicago
"Beth" <beth....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> Crazy About TV wrote:
>> I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
>> new plot lines might be interesting?
>>
>> I think another war would be an absolute must. Another thing I'd like
>> to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
>>
>> -------
>>
>> http://www.crazyabouttv.com/firefly.html
>>
>
> Can we have Wash and Book back?
Yes.
Kinda.
> --
> Beth
>
> Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside a dog it is too
> dark to read.
> Groucho Marx
FIREFLY: POSSE
Season 1: Into the Black.
Mal get's a dayjob: Special Investigations Marshal--and the crew gets
deputized. The Operative, call him "Daniel", returns, a changed man, a
shepard, kinda, well, almost, haven't taken his final vows, like his father
before him: Derrial Book. And Dan's bearing gift: video of Wash ...
alive--but scarred ... like a reaver. Between Mal's dayjob investigating law
enforcement matters and moonlighting as a "courier" he barely has time to
track down leads on Wash.
Season 2: Shades Of Gray
Seems like old times. Book's back--kinda. After seeing visions of Shepard
Book, they finally track him down, only to find out he's AI program,
flitting around the stellarnet. Turns out he it was an experiment precursor
to River, a living reader of minds: To have the minds, the personas, of
living people read and duplicated onto computers.
Season 3: Power in the 'Verse
We finally find out the the truth behind the experiments on the truth about
the men in blue, how the worlds were really terraformed, how the star system
was solarformed, the experiments on River--and that she's not alone.
Season 4: Burn the Land & Boil the Sea
Simply put we find out what happened to Earth-that-was. Why they really
left. How they really left. What happened to Earth-that-was since. And what
was left behind--and whom.
Season 5: Damage My Calm
It's been building, slowly, all series long to this point, much to the
bemusement of the crew, including virtual-Book, except the consternation of
the doctor and the befuddlement of Jayne--with whom River's taken a shine
to--tho noone never believed it would end up with this: Getting hitched.
Just when they thought Mal's wedding was a might peculiar. Oh, did I mention
Saffron performed the nuptials?
Season 6: Aim to Misbehave
They're back. The men--and women--in blue. What's more, Mal was right. It
wouldn't take long for certain people to decide they can make folk ...
better, saner, calmer, manageable, can make them ... behave.
Season 7: Leaves In The Wind
A storm's a'brewin', that threatens to scour the Alliance from the face of
the universe. Reavers flee in terror from it. It makes the men in blue look
like amateurs. Genocide is a small mercy in comparison. It can not be bowed,
bent or broken. It will not be bargained with, reasoned with, pleaded with.
It will not, can not be stopped. There's a small chance however it be lured,
swayed, distracted, led away. Guess who's the bait? It's a one-way ticket,
a suicide run, no way out, unless . . . they learn to outrun light.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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Jewel Staite has popped up on series looking radically different--especially
on STARGATE ATLANTIS.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Daniel was Derrial's son. They were both operatives. That's why Sheppard
knew so much about their methods, and yet still failed to prepared properly
for "Leave no ground to go to" stratagem. Daniel quoted to Mal like it was
basic doctrine, something Shepard should have known.
But how could Shepard prepare for patricide?
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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FLYSCAPE?
-- Ken from Chicago
Beth
> In article <b693h.249$244.71@trnddc01>, Beth <beth....@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Crazy About TV wrote:
>>
>>>I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
>>>new plot lines might be interesting?
>>>
>>>I think another war would be an absolute must. Another thing I'd like
>>>to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
>>>
>>>-------
>>>
>>>http://www.crazyabouttv.com/firefly.html
>>>
>>
>>Can we have Wash and Book back?
>
>
> Sure. How do you feel about Wash the born again Reaver? Or the Alliance
> Op as Book 2?
>
> Ok, REAL Book as a trancended being?
>
I was thinking of Season 2 as a flashback season, exploring those months
- or setting an alternate course from the movie. I would have rather
kept the Reavers as the bogey men.
C.O.Jones
wrote:
> C.O.Jones wrote:
> > In article <b693h.249$244.71@trnddc01>, Beth <beth....@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Crazy About TV wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm not suggesting that it's likely, but if Firefly was to return, what
> >>>new plot lines might be interesting?
> >>>
> >>>I think another war would be an absolute must. Another thing I'd like
> >>>to see would be a few new characters to mix things up a bit.
> >>>
> >>>-------
> >>>
> >>>http://www.crazyabouttv.com/firefly.html
> >>>
> >>
> >>Can we have Wash and Book back?
> >
> >
> > Sure. How do you feel about Wash the born again Reaver? Or the Alliance
> > Op as Book 2?
> >
> > Ok, REAL Book as a trancended being?
> >
>
> I was thinking of Season 2 as a flashback season, exploring those months
> - or setting an alternate course from the movie. I would have rather
> kept the Reavers as the bogey men.
The demons have escaped Pandoras box, and aren't going back. Besides, I
believe Joss would come up with other, just as threatening and
imaginative "Big Bads" as the seasons progressed. (Sort of like, IMO,
Twin Peaks did. Each antagonist was SO evil, that I was amazed that the
next one was even more so)
And even though Flashbacks would take us back to happier times, they do
put a damper on "real" plot developments. Sort of like putting the main
hero into danger. The suspense has to be HOW they will get out of it,
not IF.
We all miss Book and Wash. We also miss Joyce.
C.O.Jones
You <BuffyS...@webtv.net> wrote:
What we need is a vow, that the next one of us that wins the lottery,
will pledge a large share of their winnings to that purpose.
Crazy About TV
You should have been on the writing staff Ken! Those plot lines would
answer a lot of my questions and introduce some pretty radical new
ones!
Al Gore
"Return to Jaynestown"
Jayne doesn't want to go, but River insists.
They all end up covered in mud.
Ken from Chicago
> In article <1163345733.9...@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> Crazy About TV <Tampa...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> You should have been on the writing staff Ken! Those plot lines would
>> answer a lot of my questions and introduce some pretty radical new
>> ones!
>>
>
> "Return to Jaynestown"
>
> Jayne doesn't want to go, but River insists.
>
> They all end up covered in mud.
>
> --
> Al
Honeymoons are so romantic.
-- Ken from Chicago
James Craine
Kisses To You wrote:
But he has to keep his love for Zoe and his sense of humor.
James Craine
Xenobuzz wrote:
Not to mention Fredwinna and Illyria.
C.O.Jones
James Craine <James...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
Which brings up the unsettling thought. How would a Reaver SHOW his
love and sense of humor?
"I want you to have this, Zoe."
"How sweet. Is that JAYNES arm?"
"He isn't using it now."
"Now?"
This is starting to sound like PJackson's movie about the fellow with
the zombies locked up in his basement. Or the aftermath of Shaun of the
Dead.
Hey! A use for that area forward of the bridge! Weld in some bars and
throw Reaver Wash in there! :-)
Ken from Chicago
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Duh. That went without saying.
However he would add self-deprecating humor about going a bit looney every
once and awhile.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
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It worked for Oz and Willow. Over time Wash would learn to control his
reaver abilities and rage, to focus it, channel it when fighting.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
"James Craine" <James...@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
Fredwinna?
-- Ken from Chicago
C.O.Jones
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Poor Jayne. Another crewmember that could kick his ass. Who does that
leave, Kaylee and MAYBE Simon?
Ken from Chicago
Inara--tho I doubt Jayne would see a downside in that.
-- Ken from Chicago
Kisses To You
he would have to learn to control his savage instincts like Oz
learned, he and Willow had that wolfie love thing goin on , and Zoe
would get used to some reavor love ala Wash
:-)
Mmmmmm Wash , now I forgot what I was gonna say lol
C.O.Jones
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
I think that Inara might surprise us, what with her special training
and all.
Ken from Chicago
Like I said, I don't think Jayne would see a downside to that--either way.
-- Ken from Chicago
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-- Ken from Chicago
Tom Pentland
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[spits mouthful of coffee on screen, then types...]
WARNING next time, Ken. WARNING!
Gods, that's funny. Thanks for starting my Monday off on the right foot.
Tin Ear Tom
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Julian Treadwell
Alliance Marshall, but I can't really believe he'd agree to that.
So, given the following:
- River is now a fully-in-control super-weapon;
- all the Serenity crew (possibly excepting Jayne) now have more
reason than ever to hate the Alliance, with Wash and Book dead, not to
mention all the others like Lee Chen and the Sanchez brothers;
- The Operative is not merely 'no longer their man' but actively
against the Alliance;
- Most Alliance citizens on the inner worlds are happy with continued
Alliance rule, and most on the outer worlds aren't;
- Mal now has the means (River) to restart the war if he wants;
then we have a Mal/River/Serenity crew/Operative (if Mal'll have him)
consortium which could undertake effective guerilla strikes against the
Alliance & Blue Sun. Very effective, given their combined talents.
Seems like there's definitely a new inner planets / outer planets war in
the offing to me.
C.O.Jones
<julian.t...@jcu.edu.au> wrote:
> I liked the idea posted earlier where Mal reluctantly becomes an
> Alliance Marshall, but I can't really believe he'd agree to that.
I'm thinking that he probably wouldn't have had a choice. I know that
it is pretty much a cliche in such things, but it works. Granted, Jesse
James never became a lawman, but the Earp brothers were pretty much
criminals when they weren't wearing badges.
As far as "a new war" goes, I personally feel the same about that as I
do in making Serenity an armed battleship.
The show was about the people who were tromped on by life. I doubt that
many of those people want another bloody war, them that survived the
last one, anyway.
Just my opinion.
Julian Treadwell
ordinary people trying to survive in adverse circumstances to an
action/military story, which it always was to an extent, but never
primarily.
It would be a logical extension of the plot though, imho, given River's
super-powers and Mal's leadership genius. But it would indeed radically
change the tone and nature of the saga.
Perhaps then a new series continuing the "hunted fugitives" theme would
retain more of the flavour of the first season. 'Cos those Alliance
folks are not forgiving, and a sane River might be viewed by them as
more of a threat than before.
I guess Mr Whedon and Mr Minear can come up with better ideas than I can.
But perhaps they won't, or won't be able to raise the money, in which
case thank Buddha or whoever or whatever you have faith in that they
made the first series and the BDM!
Julian
Ken from Chicago
"Julian Treadwell" <julian.t...@jcu.edu.au> wrote in message
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>I liked the idea posted earlier where Mal reluctantly becomes an Alliance
>Marshall, but I can't really believe he'd agree to that.
>
>
> So, given the following:
>
> - River is now a fully-in-control super-weapon;
>
> - all the Serenity crew (possibly excepting Jayne) now have more reason
> than ever to hate the Alliance, with Wash and Book dead, not to mention
> all the others like Lee Chen and the Sanchez brothers;
Ah, but the flaw in this analysis is that Alliance is NOT monolithic. There
are varying factions within. The ruling faction that Mal went up against
would be in descendancy while opposing factions within the Alliance would be
in ascendancy. However there would be a bit of struggle to secure power, a
struggle that would keep them from focusing attention on the outer planets,
thus the offer to Mal.
Plus, Mal's innate sense of decency, that the powerful shouldn't oppress the
weak--which is why he went against the Operative, released the video about
Miranda and why he fought for the Independents in the Unification War. Well,
Mal's been out on the frontier and knows there are plenty of powerful
oppressors other than the Alliance.
> - The Operative is not merely 'no longer their man' but actively against
> the Alliance;
>
> - Most Alliance citizens on the inner worlds are happy with continued
> Alliance rule, and most on the outer worlds aren't;
>
> - Mal now has the means (River) to restart the war if he wants;
>
> then we have a Mal/River/Serenity crew/Operative (if Mal'll have him)
> consortium which could undertake effective guerilla strikes against the
> Alliance & Blue Sun. Very effective, given their combined talents.
>
> Seems like there's definitely a new inner planets / outer planets war in
> the offing to me.
No, Mal doesn't. One, Serenity isn't a gunship. Two, the Alliance beat the
Independents when the latter was at full strength. The remnants aren't
nearly as strong and has had struggle on the scraps of the outer worlds.
-- Ken from Chicago
Ken from Chicago
Hiring Mal as a Marshall wouldn't be about the Alliance forgiving Mal, but
about the ascendent faction within the Alliance being too busy securing the
reigns of power from the former ruling faction of the Alliance disgraced by
Miranda, to properly deal with the outer worlds.
Plus, schemes within schemes, it would allow a certain division within the
Alliance to continue their monitoring of River, taking it to the next phase.
From Mal's point of view, better he take the reigns than
--some bureaucrat who doesn't care about doing the job other than in the
most perfunctory manner (ala the sheriff on VERONICA MARS)
--or who abuses his power as if the outer worlds were their own personal
fiefdom (ala the Officer Walker on THE WIRE or the sheriff in UNFORGIVEN)
--or some crooked officer bought out by the local organized crime bosses or
corrupt business leaders (ala the sheriff in PALE RIDER or the sheriff in
SILVERADO).
But despite having official sanction by the Alliance, he can't count on
instant support in times of crisis. Ofttimes he and his posse of deputies
will be all alone in dealing with immediate crisis and have to act
independently (ala the sheriff in HIGH NOON or the sheriff in OUTLAND).
-- Ken from Chicago
C.O.Jones
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Hiring Mal as a Marshall wouldn't be about the Alliance forgiving Mal, but
> about the ascendent faction within the Alliance being too busy securing the
> reigns of power from the former ruling faction of the Alliance disgraced by
> Miranda, to properly deal with the outer worlds.
>
> Plus, schemes within schemes, it would allow a certain division within the
> Alliance to continue their monitoring of River, taking it to the next phase.
>
> From Mal's point of view, better he take the reigns than
> --some bureaucrat who doesn't care about doing the job other than in the
> most perfunctory manner (ala the sheriff on VERONICA MARS)
> --or who abuses his power as if the outer worlds were their own personal
> fiefdom (ala the Officer Walker on THE WIRE or the sheriff in UNFORGIVEN)
> --or some crooked officer bought out by the local organized crime bosses or
> corrupt business leaders (ala the sheriff in PALE RIDER or the sheriff in
> SILVERADO).
>
> But despite having official sanction by the Alliance, he can't count on
> instant support in times of crisis. Ofttimes he and his posse of deputies
> will be all alone in dealing with immediate crisis and have to act
> independently (ala the sheriff in HIGH NOON or the sheriff in OUTLAND).
>
> -- Ken from Chicago
>
Hows about the sherrif from The Train Job, Sherrif Bourne, and Mal have
a bonding adventure together, and it ends with Bourne while dying,
demanding that Mal revenge him by putting the badge on and continuing
in his place? Or something. (Mentioning this because the Sherrif seemed
to be a person that Mal could understand, and pretty much agree with)
George W Harris
Man Who Shot Liberty Valance", with Mal as John
Wayne and Simon as Jimmy Stewart. We could have
Jayne be Lee Marvin, even. Framing device is Senator
Tam attending the funeral of an obscure roughneck.
--
"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar." -Wash, 'Serenity'
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
Ken from Chicago
I like.
The Alliance general who contacts Mal about being a marshall pulls that ace
in the pocket by playing a recording of said sheriff in a hospital, dying,
recommending Mal for the job.
The problem with making Mal a sheriff instead of a marshall is that being a
sheriff would lock him down to one planet and I would like the show to
remain a space show, with occassional planetside visits. Moreover having Mal
voluntarily work for the Alliance would create tension that being strictly
an independent sheriff wouldn't. Moreover Mal would ultimately need Alliance
backing as law enforcement.
Plus as marshall, he could be sent on special cases by the Alliance and Mal
could decide how much cooperation to agree with and how much independence he
will show.
-- Ken from Chicago
C.O.Jones
Chicago <kwicker1...@comcast.net> wrote:
Oh, definitely a marshal. (Or a Space Ranger!) Mal most definitely
shouldn't be tied down to one planet. Serenity might have to be (semi)
retired so that he could be given some futuristic cop cruiser. Not a
brand new cruiser, though.
Wouldn't it be nice to see Mal flash a badge in Badgers face. Then
convincing him that it was real by haulling him off to the pokey..