The "Announcement" over at #farscape
Thinkum
Barbarella: ok guys
Barbarella: this is what I wanted to say
Barbarella: I had a meeting with some scifi people today
Barbarella: pelase don't PM me
Barbarella: not right now
Barbarella: anyway...we have our room
Barbarella: we have admin here
Barbarella: we also have their blessings
Barbarella: they don't want to see us go this from scifi's IT department
getting over zealous
Barbarella: the one thing I was asked to do...and I did...was take down the
arguement it was an embarassment to them
Barbarella: they used those words
Barbarella: it was embarassing to them
Barbarella: so we're makin em sweat folks
Barbarella: I mean seriously sweat they didn't realize we are a force to be
reckoned with
Barbarella: secondly
Barbarella: this is not just a weeks campaign
Barbarella: we need you all here..and everyone you can bring for months
Barbarella: at the very minimum thru January and really I'd like to see us
here thru the episodes and beyond..we will NOT give up fighting for our 5th
season
Barbarella: I personally will devote as much of my time as humanly possible
to do everything I can to help every scaper with ideas
Barbarella: with mobilization
Barbarella: with local area rallies
Barbarella: and fund raisers for add's
Barbarella: I want to see some real effort as much as pressure as we can
possibly put and still remain nice, no insults, be intelligent about, and
absolutely NO TALK OF BOYCOTTS
Barbarella: I mean this no talk of anything detrimental to their business..we
don't operate like that
Barbarella: we are going to intelligently win this campaign just as we have
been wining
Barbarella: and believe me folks...we ARE wining
Barbarella: there has never been a fan campaign like this
Barbarella: you didn't see alot of fan campaigns in the news
Barbarella: nor have you seen cancelations being announced FAR earlier than
would have been their choice
Barbarella: we have to stay diligent?..grr..I had my spelling
Barbarella: we have to remain focused on the target and that'
Barbarella: and that's get ANYONE to carry the 5th season
Barbarella: we have to continue putting pressure on EM TV and Scifi to
negotiate some sort of deal
Barbarella: and continue to go to other networks saying we will follow our
show anywhere
Barbarella: and we are legion
Barbarella: they'll want us
Barbarella: we already have at least 30,000 people involved in this movement
Barbarella: and more every day
Barbarella: now...as for the protest
Barbarella: I'm sorry this is so long I had alot I wanted to say
Barbarella: the RALLY...new name
Barbarella: is scheduled for tomorrow from 8-9AM till we're either told to
leave which scifi most likely will not do
Barbarella: and we need to have as many people there as possible
Barbarella: if we want media
Barbarella: we have to have LOTS of bodies
Barbarella: at least 100
Barbarella: anyone in or around within 3 hours travel or if you are prepared
to travel longer...PLEASE...GO
Barbarella: we need you
Barbarella: and those that do go
Barbarella: I expect you to be on your best behaviors
Barbarella: do NOT sling insults
Barbarella: conduct yourselves as scapers should
Barbarella: and if there's any chance of trouble you BUG OUT
Barbarella: I don't want scapers arrested for this
Barbarella: I love the show but personally I wouldn't want to be arrested for
it
Barbarella: bring banners
Barbarella: if you want to dress in scaper gear
Barbarella: do it
Barbarella: make shirts over night
Barbarella: tonight I want all of you to post the information about the RALLY
on your websites and none of this back page news
Barbarella: it needs to be on the front of the pages
Barbarella: please I need help in this
Barbarella: this is short notice
Barbarella: when you're there make sure to hand out flyers to people if you
can
Barbarella: I want scifi info and EM TV info on the flyers who to write and
phone numbers
Barbarella: saying fax email telegram phone save our series
Barbarella: and our battle cry on it NEVER SAY DIE FARSCAPE LIVES
Barbarella: thirdly
Barbarella: today we obtained www.savefarscapecentral.com
Barbarella: there is where your latest breaking farscape news and news from
and about the cast is gonna be with links to all cast and save farcape pages
that are submited to us
Barbarella: it will have all the ideas for fund raisers and such on it...it
will also have up to date contact into for all the companies and networks we
can find
Barbarella: it will also have updatese from the cast
Barbarella: transcripts of cast chats that occure here during all this
Barbarella: I am personally gonna ask the cast to be with us thru this
Barbarella: this will take months but we WILL win
Barbarella: we have been wining this thing
Barbarella: and I won't take no for an answer and I expect you guys not to
either
Barbarella: I expect you guys to keep up the fight
Barbarella: this chat room is our gathering place for ALL scaper UNITED to
discuss local area plans
Barbarella: leaking things to the news media when we can
Barbarella: new ideas
Barbarella: everything
Barbarella: this is the place to be
Barbarella: not somewhere else
Barbarella: and not lurking on a bboard
Barbarella: we need you all here
Barbarella: ok...I'm gonna give you the floor and please keep the scroll down
and I will answer as many questions and also take ideas for the rally
tomorrow at scifi networks
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Jim Larson
(So...what does it say?)
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Tyler Trafford
Go to RALLY. Rah-Rah-Rah.
(just read the capitalized words)
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Jim Larson
I just did. I got: Talk boycott, die all united.
This campaign thing is getting creepy.
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Are you re-thinking your allegiance to the Cult of the Fire-Escape?
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Jim Larson
I like Fire Escapes. They have that cool slidy ladder thing sometimes.
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Allan Matthews
> Barbarella: anyway...we have our room
> Barbarella: we have admin here
> Barbarella: we also have their blessings
Whooptie. As if we needed them.
> Barbarella: so we're makin em sweat folks
> Barbarella: I mean seriously sweat they didn't realize we are a force to
> be reckoned with
> Barbarella: secondly
> Barbarella: this is not just a weeks campaign
> Barbarella: we need you all here..and everyone you can bring for months
> Barbarella: at the very minimum thru January and really I'd like to see
> us here thru the episodes and beyond..we will NOT give up fighting for
> our 5th season
"our"??
Her tone reminds me of this classic:
"We shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on
the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in
the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall
never surrender."
Someone is clearly losing perspective here and it ain't Churchill.
> Barbarella: with mobilization
Is she talking about a war campaign or something? Iraq? Afghanistan
maybe?
> Barbarella: I want to see some real effort as much as pressure as we can
Why should any of us concern ourselves with what this woman wants to
see?
> possibly put and still remain nice, no insults, be intelligent about,
> and absolutely NO TALK OF BOYCOTTS
Is that an order? My, aren't we all high and mighty.
Personally, I will continue to talk of boycotts, as I don't watch
anything else on the SciFi channel besides Farscape. Once that is gone
I will be effectively boycotting them.
Indeed, I am already boycotting them until January.
I see nothing wrong with sending a message to the SciFi folks that they
will permanently lose viewers over this. That message hits them in the
pocketbook, which is their main concern.
> Barbarella: I mean this no talk of anything detrimental to their
> business..we don't operate like that
Who is this "we"? Who is she to tell people how to "operate"?
Again, I think the SciFi folks should be made aware that their decision
to cancel Farscape will hurt their bottom line.
However, it appears that the matter is closed as "Barb" has spoken.
> Barbarella: we are going to intelligently win this campaign just as we
> have been wining
> Barbarella: and believe me folks...we ARE wining
Do you think she means "winning" or "whining"?
> Barbarella: there has never been a fan campaign like this
You mean this is worse than what those Trekkies and Star Wars geeks have
done? We're all going to look like idiots then.
"Baka Baka" as Ruri would say.
> Barbarella: you didn't see alot of fan campaigns in the news
> Barbarella: nor have you seen cancelations being announced FAR earlier
> than would have been their choice
> Barbarella: we have to stay diligent?..grr..I had my spelling
> Barbarella: we have to remain focused on the target and that'
More war analogies. If I were a SciFi exec I'd be more than a little
put off and perhaps even somewhat frightened by this woman's belligerent
attitude.
> Barbarella: and we are legion
Wasn't that the title of a Red Dwarf episode?
> Barbarella: now...as for the protest
> Barbarella: I'm sorry this is so long I had alot I wanted to say
> Barbarella: the RALLY...new name
Who is she to tell us what to call things? She needs to be reminded
that she's not the boss here.
I'll call it a protest if I damn well choose to. Hell, she just did.
> Barbarella: I expect you to be on your best behaviors
Now she sounds like my daughter's kindergarten teacher.
> Barbarella: conduct yourselves as scapers should
What the hell does that mean?
> Barbarella: and our battle cry on it NEVER SAY DIE FARSCAPE LIVES
More war talk.
> Barbarella: today we obtained www.savefarscapecentral.com
Was it really necessary to string us along on the irc for over an hour
for this momentous pronouncement?
> Barbarella: I expect you guys to keep up the fight
More war-like talk. She should write Dubya's UN speech for tomorrow.
However, I doubt she has the faintest clue that he's even giving it.
allan
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Michael P. Casey
news:MPG.17e9eeb08...@netnews.attbi.com:
> Edited transcript of this evening's "news:"
She's trying to save the show and actually putting a lot of work into
it. While this "announcement" was overblown, surely we can forgive a
few things on account of how little sleep this woman must've had in
the last few days.
MPC
Joan Hedman
> Edited transcript of this evening's "news:"
>
> > Barbarella: anyway...we have our room
> > Barbarella: we have admin here
> > Barbarella: we also have their blessings
>
> Whooptie. As if we needed them.
>
As a matter of fact, we do, to continue using the #farscape chat room
on the SCI FI channel's servers. They could just shut it down and
keep it shut down, or continue the booting off nonsense they had been
doing the past couple of days just to harrass people into leaving.
> > Barbarella: so we're makin em sweat folks
> > Barbarella: I mean seriously sweat they didn't realize we are a
force to
> > be reckoned with
> > Barbarella: secondly
> > Barbarella: this is not just a weeks campaign
> > Barbarella: we need you all here..and everyone you can bring for
months
> > Barbarella: at the very minimum thru January and really I'd like
to see
> > us here thru the episodes and beyond..we will NOT give up fighting
for
> > our 5th season
>
> "our"??
<snip>
> Someone is clearly losing perspective here and it ain't Churchill.
You haven't spent any time in #farscape, have you? Barbarella is the
rock of sanity around which the eddies of lunacy in there swirl.
> > Barbarella: with mobilization
>
> Is she talking about a war campaign or something? Iraq?
Afghanistan
> maybe?
>
Don't be disingenous, Allan, it doesn't become you. This ~is~ a
campaign, and the fans ~are~ mobilized. If you dislike the
terminology, too bad.
> > Barbarella: I want to see some real effort as much as pressure as
we can
>
> Why should any of us concern ourselves with what this woman wants to
> see?
>
Yes, because she is working for Henson and the production crew
directly. Her contact at Henson Co. is Brian. She got the called
from Kemper. She is their voice among us. (See my reply in your
dissent thread).
> > possibly put and still remain nice, no insults, be intelligent
about,
> > and absolutely NO TALK OF BOYCOTTS
>
> Is that an order? My, aren't we all high and mighty.
<snip>
This restriction is, I believe, limited to topics of discussion in the
chat room.
> > Barbarella: I mean this no talk of anything detrimental to their
> > business..we don't operate like that
>
> Who is this "we"? Who is she to tell people how to "operate"?
<snip>
See above for the answer to these questions.
>
> > Barbarella: we are going to intelligently win this campaign just
as we
> > have been wining
> > Barbarella: and believe me folks...we ARE wining
>
> Do you think she means "winning" or "whining"?
>
LOL I thought the same thing, but I'm sure she did mean "winning."
> > Barbarella: there has never been a fan campaign like this
>
> You mean this is worse than what those Trekkies and Star Wars geeks
have
> done? We're all going to look like idiots then.
>
No, this not worse, and this is entirely different. This fan effort
is actually taking place at a point where it can have an effect. Last
Friday's scoop put SCI FI on the defensive and all the media pressure
on them has only weakened their position further.
> > Barbarella: you didn't see alot of fan campaigns in the news
> > Barbarella: nor have you seen cancelations being announced FAR
earlier
> > than would have been their choice
> > Barbarella: we have to stay diligent?..grr..I had my spelling
> > Barbarella: we have to remain focused on the target and that'
>
> More war analogies. If I were a SciFi exec I'd be more than a
little
> put off and perhaps even somewhat frightened by this woman's
belligerent
> attitude.
>
SCI FI doesn't care what one fan (Barbarella) has to say, they care
about all the letters, telegrams, faxes, and emails they are getting,
and all the negative media coverage, as well.
> > Barbarella: and we are legion
>
> Wasn't that the title of a Red Dwarf episode?
>
> > Barbarella: now...as for the protest
> > Barbarella: I'm sorry this is so long I had alot I wanted to say
> > Barbarella: the RALLY...new name
>
> Who is she to tell us what to call things? She needs to be reminded
> that she's not the boss here.
>
Not to be repetitive... but she IS the boss here.
> > Barbarella: I expect you to be on your best behaviors
>
> Now she sounds like my daughter's kindergarten teacher.
Because most of the folks in #farscape behave like kindergardeners.
<snip>
> > Barbarella: I expect you guys to keep up the fight
>
> More war-like talk. She should write Dubya's UN speech for
tomorrow.
> However, I doubt she has the faintest clue that he's even giving it.
Why does the word "campaign" automatically translate into "war" for
you? There are political campaigns, advertising campaigns, all sorts
of campaigns. Political campaigns especially use the terminology such
as "mobilization", etc, because they are apt. As they are for this
particular campaign to sway the executives of a minor cable TV network
to change their minds.
As for Barb's social awareness -- I don't think it's at all fair for
you to judge her on a subject about which she has said nothing,
precisely because she has said nothing, which is completely in keeping
with her current position.
GutPageant
>> Barbarella: we are going to intelligently win this campaign just
>>as we have been wining
>> Barbarella: and believe me folks...we ARE wining
>
>Do you think she means "winning" or "whining"?
Whinging, I'd say <snerk>
>> Barbarella: and we are legion
>
>Wasn't that the title of a Red Dwarf episode?
Nah, "We are legion" is from that old CCD class story about the demons who
entered into a bunch of pigs and jumped off a cliff. Grammar school nuns used
to scare the bejesus out of little kids like me with that one.
--GP
Jim Larson
You had a class on charge-coupled devides in grammar school? That would have
scared the bejesus out of me too.
--
Jim, who is the beneficiary of the loving attention of the Sisters of the
Immaculate Heart of Mary, followed in due course by that of the good Fathers
of the Society of Jesus.
Allan Matthews
jhe...@alum.mit.edu says...
> Allan Matthews wrote:
> > Edited transcript of this evening's "news:"
> >
> > > Barbarella: anyway...we have our room
> > > Barbarella: we have admin here
> > > Barbarella: we also have their blessings
> >
> > Whooptie. As if we needed them.
>
> As a matter of fact, we do, to continue using the #farscape chat room
> on the SCI FI channel's servers.
That server is not necessary. Indeed, given the way the SciFi folks
have been jerking it around the chat room probably should be moved.
> > Someone is clearly losing perspective here and it ain't Churchill.
>
> You haven't spent any time in #farscape, have you?
Yes, I have. Far too much actually.
> Barbarella is the
> rock of sanity around which the eddies of lunacy in there swirl.
That's a laughable description.
> > > Barbarella: with mobilization
> >
> > Is she talking about a war campaign or something? Iraq?
> Afghanistan
> > maybe?
>
> Don't be disingenous, Allan, it doesn't become you. This ~is~ a
> campaign, and the fans ~are~ mobilized. If you dislike the
> terminology, too bad.
Yes, I do dislike the terminology and will continue to point it out as
unbecoming to those using it, particular given the current political
situation.
> > > Barbarella: I want to see some real effort as much as pressure as
> we can
> >
> > Why should any of us concern ourselves with what this woman wants to
> > see?
>
> Yes, because she is working for Henson and the production crew
> directly. Her contact at Henson Co. is Brian. She got the called
> from Kemper. She is their voice among us.
Gee, I guess DK can't speak for himself anymore then? What a load of
rubbish.
> > > possibly put and still remain nice, no insults, be intelligent
> about,
> > > and absolutely NO TALK OF BOYCOTTS
> >
> > Is that an order? My, aren't we all high and mighty.
> <snip>
>
> This restriction is, I believe, limited to topics of discussion in the
> chat room.
I didn't see any such limitations. Please point them out to me.
> > > Barbarella: I mean this no talk of anything detrimental to their
> > > business..we don't operate like that
> >
> > Who is this "we"? Who is she to tell people how to "operate"?
> <snip>
>
> See above for the answer to these questions.
I didn't see anything approaching an answer. She is in no position to
tell people what to do. Neither, for that matter, is Kemper really.
Fortunately, unlike "Barb", he only gives advice, not orders.
> > > Barbarella: we are going to intelligently win this campaign just
> as we
> > > have been wining
> > > Barbarella: and believe me folks...we ARE wining
> >
> > Do you think she means "winning" or "whining"?
>
> LOL I thought the same thing, but I'm sure she did mean "winning."
If I were a SciFi exec I might very well be beginning to see it as
"whining."
> > > Barbarella: there has never been a fan campaign like this
> >
> > You mean this is worse than what those Trekkies and Star Wars geeks
> have
> > done? We're all going to look like idiots then.
>
> No, this not worse, and this is entirely different.
I disagree. I think it is exactly the same.
> This fan effort
> is actually taking place at a point where it can have an effect.
So did the Trekkies campaigning, or hadn't you noticed how Star Trek got
revived into a franchise?
> Last
> Friday's scoop put SCI FI on the defensive and all the media pressure
> on them has only weakened their position further.
The only thing that SciFi is concerned about is money.
> > > Barbarella: you didn't see alot of fan campaigns in the news
> > > Barbarella: nor have you seen cancelations being announced FAR
> earlier
> > > than would have been their choice
> > > Barbarella: we have to stay diligent?..grr..I had my spelling
> > > Barbarella: we have to remain focused on the target and that'
> >
> > More war analogies. If I were a SciFi exec I'd be more than a
> little
> > put off and perhaps even somewhat frightened by this woman's
> belligerent
> > attitude.
>
> SCI FI doesn't care what one fan (Barbarella) has to say,
Then she can't be as important as you make her out to be.
> > > Barbarella: now...as for the protest
> > > Barbarella: I'm sorry this is so long I had alot I wanted to say
> > > Barbarella: the RALLY...new name
> >
> > Who is she to tell us what to call things? She needs to be reminded
> > that she's not the boss here.
> >
> Not to be repetitive... but she IS the boss here.
No, she's just the moderator. There's a big difference.
> > > Barbarella: I expect you to be on your best behaviors
> >
> > Now she sounds like my daughter's kindergarten teacher.
>
> Because most of the folks in #farscape behave like kindergardeners.
Oh, that's pure bullshit.
We're adults and she should respect that.
> <snip>
> > > Barbarella: I expect you guys to keep up the fight
> >
> > More war-like talk. She should write Dubya's UN speech for
> tomorrow.
> > However, I doubt she has the faintest clue that he's even giving it.
>
> Why does the word "campaign" automatically translate into "war" for
> you?
It doesn't except when the rest of the language a person is using fits
that militaristic pattern.
Besides, she said "Keep up the fight."
allan (aka DeadGuyKai)
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GutPageant
>GutPageant wrote:
>
>> Allan Matthews wrote:
>>
>>>> Barbarella: and we are legion
>>>
>>>Wasn't that the title of a Red Dwarf episode?
>>
>> Nah, "We are legion" is from that old CCD class story about the demons
>> who entered into a bunch of pigs and jumped off a cliff. Grammar school
>> nuns used to scare the bejesus out of little kids like me with that one.
>
>You had a class on charge-coupled devides in grammar school? That would
>have scared the bejesus out of me too.
Charged couples? Isn't that against the seventh commandment?
--GP
Jim Larson
That should have been devices not devides (which ain't one o' them proper
words). And I think you're thinking of #6, and possibly #9.
--
Jim
Joan Hedman
Allan Matthews wrote:
<snip all>
Barbarella's position as liaison for Henson and the production team,
and my long-term personal regard for her, are obviously meaningless to
you, so there is no point in continuing this discussion.
I do hope you are feeling better soon.
Allan Matthews
jhe...@alum.mit.edu says...
> I do hope you are feeling better soon.
Thanks. I think my fever's finally broken. That's why I'm up so late -
I couldn't get comfy in bed. I think there is still some visible white
in my eyes.
It looks like another sick day tomorrow, though.
allan
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GutPageant
You're probably right. I think I've repressed most of my religious education
(and I never really was a *good* catholic girl).
--GP
catherine
good call Joan. I was just about to remark that we are wasting a lot of
effort on this arguing that could be used more effectively elsewhere. If
it's Allen's intention to draw attention from the subject at hand, which is
saving farscape, and put it on himself and his wants, it's working. I will
not be a party to it. He may do as he chooses. Personally, I don't care
what he thinks.
--
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Save Farscape
http://farscape.wdsection.com/
TeaFran
"Jim Larson" <larso...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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The same thing the other transcript said.
TeaFran
"Tyler Trafford" <tyler_t...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:alp59b$1s618a$2...@ID-131008.news.dfncis.de...
> Jim Larson wrote:
> > Tyler Trafford wrote:
> >> Jim Larson wrote:
> >>> Thinkum wrote:
~~ snippage ~~
> >>>> Barbarella: ok...I'm gonna give you the floor and please keep the
scroll
> >>>> down and I will answer as many questions and also take ideas for the
> >>>> rally tomorrow at scifi networks
> >>>
> >>> (So...what does it say?)
> >>
> >> Go to RALLY. Rah-Rah-Rah.
> >>
> >> (just read the capitalized words)
> >
> > I just did. I got: Talk boycott, die all united.
> >
> > This campaign thing is getting creepy.
>
> Are you re-thinking your allegiance to the Cult of the Fire-Escape?
When did we get to be a cult?
This is all about me still right?
alt.tom.francis?
catherine
yes. don't worry. our focus hasn't changed.
Allan Matthews
casumme...@USOL.com says...
> good call Joan. I was just about to remark that we are wasting a lot of
> effort on this arguing that could be used more effectively elsewhere.
So, you're against actually examining what you're doing?
> If it's Allen's intention to draw attention from the subject at hand, which is
> saving farscape, and put it on himself and his wants, it's working.
That's NOT what I'm trying to do. People who attack me instead of
responding to what I'm saying are involved in ad hominem logical
fallacies.
That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
I also think that all this venom flowing my way for not conforming to
orthodoxy may very well be proof positive that this effort is not a
healthy thing.
repo
"Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.17eab3457...@netnews.attbi.com...
> In article <alpsi5$bv1$1...@ID-91017.news.dfncis.de>,
> casumme...@USOL.com says...
> > good call Joan. I was just about to remark that we are wasting a lot of
> > effort on this arguing that could be used more effectively elsewhere.
>
> So, you're against actually examining what you're doing?
>
> > If it's Allen's intention to draw attention from the subject at hand,
which is
> > saving farscape, and put it on himself and his wants, it's working.
>
> That's NOT what I'm trying to do. People who attack me instead of
> responding to what I'm saying are involved in ad hominem logical
> fallacies.
>
> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
>
Trouble
> "Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
>> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
The could be French Cavalry and Crossbowmen, slain by
the thousands by Welsh and other Longbowmen after a
brief rain at the battle of Crecy...
Ahem...
They could be, and thus not alive now to attack him.
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Power Corrupts
Study Hard, Be Evil
Tyler Trafford
> That's NOT what I'm trying to do. People who attack me instead of
> responding to what I'm saying are involved in ad hominem logical
> fallacies.
I think people would be more inclined to take you seriously if you
ignored those who attack you, instead of attacking them back (which just
gives them more ammunition to use against you).
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Tyler Trafford
John Iwaniszek
oh! An intervention! Can I play?
Tyler Trafford
Be my guest. At the conclusions we will be seeing who has the bigger
logical fallacy.
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Tyler Trafford
John Iwaniszek
It will be me. Because I said so.
Allan Matthews
says...
> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angle.
allan
Tyler Trafford
That you say it will be you implies that it will, in fact, be me.
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Tyler Trafford
repo
> In article <alqq8j$b6r8$1...@ID-110653.news.dfncis.de>, y...@right.com
> says...
> > but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>
> Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angl
jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a nation..
unlike some other celts not so far away...
what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to do
with being celts..
repo
"Trouble" <troubl...@tekfactory.com> wrote in message
news:alqqeu$7715$1...@ID-96093.news.dfncis.de...
> repo wrote:
>
> > "Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
>
> >> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
>
> > but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>
> The could be French Cavalry and Crossbowmen, slain by
> the thousands by Welsh and other Longbowmen after a
> brief rain at the battle of Crecy...
>
> Ahem...
>
> They could be, and thus not alive now to attack him.
going for the historical line eh...
>
>
Trouble
> "Allan Matthews" wrote in message
>> In article y...@right.com says...
>>> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>> Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angle
> jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a
> nation.. unlike some other celts not so far away...
> what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to
> do with being celts..
The letter S
John Iwaniszek
That's like trying to make a boar dress in sow's clothing.
Trouble
> "Trouble" wrote:
>> repo wrote:
>>> "Allan Matthews" wrote:
>>>> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
>>> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>> The could be French Cavalry and Crossbowmen, slain by
>> the thousands by Welsh and other Longbowmen after a
>> brief rain at the battle of Crecy...
>> Ahem...
>> They could be, and thus not alive now to attack him.
> going for the historical line eh...
Always try to put a historical perspective into things
such that the boneheaded mistakes of our forefathers
do not become the boneheaded mistakes our children
will make.
repo
true but history tends to repeat itself constantly... just the names and
places change
repo
> repo wrote:
>
> > "Allan Matthews" wrote in message
> >> In article y...@right.com says...
>
> >>> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>
> >> Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angle
>
> > jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a
> > nation.. unlike some other celts not so far away...
>
> > what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to
> > do with being celts..
>
> The letter S
Tyler Trafford
Don't make me come over there!
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Tyler Trafford
Tyler Trafford
Sometimes not even that.
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Tyler Trafford
repo
hey he has a W in his name...
Allan Matthews
says...
>
> "Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.17eaba93c...@netnews.attbi.com...
> > In article <alqq8j$b6r8$1...@ID-110653.news.dfncis.de>, y...@right.com
> > says...
> > > but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
> >
>
> jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a nation..
> unlike some other celts not so far away...
Let's see... From the 6th cent. until the time of Longshanks Wales was
its own nation with its own language & culture. It was not fully
integrated into the governmental structure of Britain until the time of
Henry VIII.
> what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to do
> with being celts..
They all want to be rid of England?
John Iwaniszek
So all false analogies piss you off?
Allan Matthews
Tyler Trafford
No, the analogy was false because I was pissed off.
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Tyler Trafford
Trouble
> "Trouble" wrote:
>> repo wrote:
>>> "Trouble" wrote:
>>>> repo wrote:
>>>>> "Allan Matthews" wrote:
>>>>>> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal
>>>>>> attacks.
>>>>> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>>>> The could be French Cavalry and Crossbowmen, slain by
>>>> the thousands by Welsh and other Longbowmen after a brief rain at
>>>> the battle of Crecy...
>>>> Ahem...
>>>> They could be, and thus not alive now to attack him.
>>> going for the historical line eh...
>> Always try to put a historical perspective into things
>> such that the boneheaded mistakes of our forefathers
>> do not become the boneheaded mistakes our children will make.
> true but history tends to repeat itself constantly... just the names
> and places change
Funny you should say that...
The French ghad the English routed... the English were running
for the boats to go home. the French are pursued them doggedly.
English longbowmen stayed behind to cover the retreat
There was a short rainstorm
The bowstrings of the English longbows, and French crossbows
got wet. A bowman is trained almost from birth, usually he's
the son of a bowman and so on... A crossbowman is a grunt who
can load and fire his weapon. The English changed out their
bowstrings for new ones and with the French cavalry facing
a field of mud, the English were the only people left in the
fight with a weapon.
Just say that we push Sci-Fi with letters, some great publicity
and polished professionalism, politeness, organization and tech
savvy. We really wow them, and they reopen negotioations.
Then people lose focus, get sloppy, make threats, threaten
Sci-fi. Talk about staying up all night in chatrooms, put
Farscape before sleep, or your job, and you quickly become
a Wacko, and Farscape is just a "Cult show". A few fanatics
ruin the image of being desireable viewers that the rest of
us tried to create and SFC says that the ratings/revenue of
cult shows are never profitable, and shuts it all down...
Just how desireable are jobless, loser wackos as a demographic?
Again.
They'll replace it with some mainstream crap...
I think they'll call it...
"Friends in Space"
So yes, you lose focus, you lose your priorities you lose
your objectivity and soon you lose your objective.
I don't think Allan said anything in a way that people
wanted to hear it, but the point I think he was getting
at can be dismissed so easily.
I think his statements coming off as personal attacks on
Barb colored a lot of people against what he was saying.
catherine
> In article <alpsi5$bv1$1...@ID-91017.news.dfncis.de>,
> casumme...@USOL.com says...
>> good call Joan. I was just about to remark that we are wasting a lot
>> of effort on this arguing that could be used more effectively
>> elsewhere.
>
> So, you're against actually examining what you're doing?
>
>> If it's Allen's intention to draw attention from the subject at hand,
>> which is saving farscape, and put it on himself and his wants, it's
>> working.
>
> That's NOT what I'm trying to do. People who attack me instead of
> responding to what I'm saying are involved in ad hominem logical
> fallacies.
>
> That includes you, but then you're famous for your personal attacks.
>
> I also think that all this venom flowing my way for not conforming to
> orthodoxy may very well be proof positive that this effort is not a
> healthy thing.
>
> allan
allan, how is it that you think you can come in here and attack farscape
when we need to pull together and not be attacked? I mean what is it that
leads you to need all of this special attention?
famous for my personal attacks. that's interesting. believe me, if I
attacked you personally there would be nothing left of you but a little
grease spot on the floor.
John Iwaniszek
So anything that I say will piss you off? "Sandwich", for example.
catherine
me too me too! I want to hold his arms.
Allan Matthews
troubl...@tekfactory.com says...
> repo wrote:
>
> > "Allan Matthews" wrote in message
> >> In article y...@right.com says...
>
> >>> but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
>
> >> Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angle
>
> > jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a
> > nation.. unlike some other celts not so far away...
>
> > what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to
> > do with being celts..
>
> The letter S
Actually, the word Welsh comes from a derogatory Old English word for
foreigner. In the native tongue Wales is Cymru. No "S" there.
repo
> In article <alqs04$ccf1$1...@ID-110653.news.dfncis.de>, y...@right.com
> says...
> >
> > "Allan Matthews" <allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.17eaba93c...@netnews.attbi.com...
> > > In article <alqq8j$b6r8$1...@ID-110653.news.dfncis.de>, y...@right.com
> > > says...
> > > > but your welsh, how can they help but attack you??
> > >
> > > Yeah, well, there is that jealousy angle
> >
> > jealousy??? c'mon. all you ever were was a principality.. never a
nation..
> > unlike some other celts not so far away...
>
> Let's see... From the 6th cent. until the time of Longshanks Wales was
> its own nation with its own language & culture. It was not fully
> integrated into the governmental structure of Britain until the time of
> Henry VIII.
>
> > what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to do
> > with being celts..
>
> They all want to be rid of England?
give that man a banana...
Trouble
> repo wrote:
>> "Trouble" wrote:
>>> Always try to put a historical perspective into things
>>> such that the boneheaded mistakes of our forefathers
>>> do not become the boneheaded mistakes our children will make.
>> true but history tends to repeat itself constantly... just the names
>> and places change
> Sometimes not even that.
It was one of my greatest fears in the '90s as the Berlin
wall fell, Russia came apart, and individual countries in
the former bloc nations started to reclaim their old names
It seemed to me except for some alliances that the whole
of Europe had just realigned itself to its pre-WWI status
and the Serbs were fighting again.
Trouble
> trouble says...
>> repo wrote:
>> > what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to
>> > do with being celts..
>> The letter S
> Actually, the word Welsh comes from a derogatory Old English word for
> foreigner. In the native tongue Wales is Cymru. No "S" there.
Nor do the Pict or Caledonian people.
John Iwaniszek
> Allan Matthews wrote:
>
>> trouble says...
>>> repo wrote:
>
>>>> what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to
>>>> do with being celts..
>
>>> The letter S
>
>> Actually, the word Welsh comes from a derogatory Old English word for
>> foreigner. In the native tongue Wales is Cymru. No "S" there.
>
> Nor do the Pict or Caledonian people.
>
They do if you pluralize them.
Captain Nerd
Trouble <troubl...@tekfactory.com> wrote:
... but if they do make them, at least have a video camera ready
to tape them.
Cap.
--
"I am a citizen of the moment, I've built my white picket fence around
'the now', with a commanding view of 'the soon to be.' Does it really
matter? Does it really anti-matter?" - The Tick
Operation: Nerdwatch - http://www.nerdwatch.com
repo
i hate to say this but i agree totally with that.
i'm sure at some point we will have the entente cordiale. But i hope not.. i
hope the UK continues to align itself with the US... imagine having belgium
backing you up......
obviously the most useless country in europe
Tyler Trafford
Of course. Everyone thinks so.
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Tyler Trafford
Trouble
>>> Sometimes not even that.
Well if they were making the Guns it might not so bad, the
FN-FAL used to be the Assault Rifle of choice for the free
world, until all the third world countries using them were
turned onto bargain basement AK-47s from bankrupt commie
countries.
Since it was you who agreed with me, I won't have to say
that I agree with you. But thanks for your support ; )
repo
they are happy to sell guns... which are excellent.. but ask for a loan of
their bullets if you run out and you are stuffed.. thinking gulf war part 1
thanks for being so gracious in acceptance of my support,,,,,
Trouble
> "Trouble" wrote:
>> repo wrote:
>>> imagine having belgium backing you up......
>>> obviously the most useless country in europe
>> Well if they were making the Guns it might not so bad, the
>> FN-FAL used to be the Assault Rifle of choice for the free
>> world, until all the third world countries using them were
>> turned onto bargain basement AK-47s from bankrupt commie countries.
>> Since it was you who agreed with me, I won't have to say that I agree
>> with you. But thanks for your support ; )
> they are happy to sell guns... which are excellent.. but ask for a loan
> of their bullets if you run out and you are stuffed.. thinking gulf war
> part 1
We've got a new version of the M4 carbine that fires 7.62x39mm
so that special forces cave fighting the Al Quaeda/Bin Laden
folks could reload off the 7.62 Soviet all over Afghanistan
when they couldn't find our 5.56 conveniently. Its called
the SR-47 but I can't find a convenient link to a page
for you. Obviously ammo supplies and logistics of
getting them become even more important in the
middle of nowhere.
> thanks for being so gracious in acceptance of my support,,,,,
Yer welcome.
Sheik Yerbootie
> In article <alpsi5$bv1$1...@ID-91017.news.dfncis.de>,
> casumme...@USOL.com says...
> > good call Joan. I was just about to remark that we are wasting a lot of
> > effort on this arguing that could be used more effectively elsewhere.
>
> So, you're against actually examining what you're doing?
>
> > If it's Allen's intention to draw attention from the subject at hand,
which is
> > saving farscape, and put it on himself and his wants, it's working.
>
> responding to what I'm saying are involved in ad hominem logical
> fallacies.
>
>
> orthodoxy may very well be proof positive that this effort is not a
> healthy thing.
Alan, you have done this here for years.
Please, just this once, drop it?
Graham Thurlwell
<allan_m...@bigfoot.nospam.com> says...
<snip>
> Let's see... From the 6th cent. until the time of Longshanks Wales was
> its own nation with its own language & culture. It was not fully
> integrated into the governmental structure of Britain until the time of
> Henry VIII.
And, IIRC, that was marginally before the County Palatine of Durham became a
full part of England.
Note to self: find out what the relevent piece of legislation was and lobby
for it to be repealed under the guise of local democracy. WHAT WESTMINSTER
WILL NOT GIVE, THE DURHAM VOLUNTEER LIBERATION ARMY WILL TAKE!!!! ;-)
> > what do the scots, irish and welsh have in common.?.. nope nothing to do
> > with being celts..
>
> They all want to be rid of England?
England wants to be rid of THEM? ;-)
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