samantha
Settle down, Sam, he's just yankin' our chain.
~<>~ Little Shop Of BonBons ~<>~
>>so you say you have some dirt about what is going on behind the
>>scenes... why not post it? i, for one, would love to know!
>>
>>samantha
>
>Settle down, Sam, he's just yankin' our chain.
that's too bad. if he did know something, it would be more interesting
than what's going on right now on DOOL. i'm so sick of shawn being
stuck in that cage but i knew that when that storyline started, shawn
would be in there for months. i'm sick of john, sammi and the island
people. get on with it!
samantha
No, i'm not yanking your chain. But I never have forgotten how you wasted
your time trying to discredit me several years ago when I told you that Soap
Opera Digest talked to me and that a studio intern contacted me. I can't
remember exactly what it was about, but Soap Opera Digest, I believe,
contacted me to see if an April Fools joke I made on the group was real. The
intern just told me that my comments were being "monitored" by the staff at
Days of Our Lives and that they were aware of who I was.
As I recall, you did nothing but try and debunk that. And you know Bonbon,
what strikes me as odd is that you would go through all that trouble after
knowing that my work and my comments and observations on a variety of
subjects had been quoted in a variety of magazines. I remember summer of
2000, no, it was late, late September into early October...I did an
interview with Associated Press about the first season of Big Brother on
CBS. Google it and see if you can find it. They did quote me, but not nearly
as much as what I gave them to use.
I've also been interviewed by York Membrey of The London Sunday Times about
the 007 phenom, as well as been interviewed by Cigar Lifestyle magazine,
Entertainment Weekly (Thanksgiving 1999 edition), Yahoo Internet Life
(twice, Summer 1999, Summer 2000), The New York Times, and those are the
ones I can remember off the top of my head. Go over to Darhorizons.com, do a
search for information on Strangers With Candy, and you'll see some recent
EXCLUSIVE information I sent to Garth about the casting for both Strangers
With Candy and Bewitched (Amy Sedaris aka Jerri Blank on Strangers With
Candy, was cast as Gladys Kravitz; nobody knew that at the time but me).
Blah blah blah. Yeah, but you asked for it.
As I was saying, I hear PLENTY about what goes on backstage at this
miserable little show.
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ICEBREAKER
"In order to enhance your individuality through conformity, i'm instituting
a dress code based on your own requests that I imagine you would've
requested had I asked for your requests."
>No, i'm not yanking your chain.
well, it's up to you if you want to post it :) i, for one, would be
interested in hearing some gossip on this show.
samantha
I don't know...are you the same Samantha that has been dissing on my girl,
Halle, over in alt.gossip.celebrities?
Well, i'll give you this open secret about Kyle Lowder (Brady): he's gay.
Gay as a Christmas goose and for some reason NBC has a problem with that. So
they put on their 1954 Doris Day/Rock Hudson mentality and arranged for him
to marry Arianna Zucker (Nicole). Frankly, the whole situation makes me
sick. It makes me sick that Kyle Lowder would allow other people, especially
fellow Hollywood types who are supposedly more liberal and tolerant, to
arrange a marriage for him just so he can hide his sexuality. And from whom?
The show has a miniscule audience, comprised almost entirely of women aged
18-35, who are a lot more forgiving than NBC gives them credit for. It's not
as if the show is watched exclusively by members of The 700 Club. Arianna
Zucker sickens me for exploiting this situation all in the name of extra job
security (she was about to get axed from the show when they made the offer
for her to marry Lowder), and NBC sickens me for understimating their
audience, and for not standing by this kid in the first place.
Kind of reminds me of the situation with James Van Der Beek. Yeah, granted,
technically maybe James Van Der Beek shouldn't have been having sex with
John Wesley Shipp since Shipp played his father on Dawson's Creek, but they
did it, kind of discretely, but that wasn't enough for the WB. They fired
Shipp and lo and behold! Van Der Beek starts publicly dating someone whom
the studio arranged for him (weirdly enough, the studios still investigate
and invest in men, and women for their gay and lesbian stars to be seen
with; I guess they figured millions of teenage girls would leave Dawson's
Creek if they found out Shipp and Beek were sleeping together. Yeah, I kind
of see that dilemna). What's really funny was seeing Kerr Smith beaming with
joy standing next to his fiance, while Beek looked extremely uncomfortable
with his fiance when they all attended some party and took a photo op.
I will say this: I've heard no dirt on Drake Hogestyn. He's as boring as
driftwood.
I feel for ya', Ice. They've all been ranking on Halle something awful since
the divorce from Benet, the statement that she won't marry again that she
made to Oprah, and the bad reviews about Catwoman. (And she's such a nice
girl who wouldn't hurt a fly.)
If any of them were ever so unkind to my Joaquin Phonance, I'd have to give
them their comeuppance and some severe blood would go splattering all over
the walls of that damned NG or the films one. NOBODY trashes my baby
Joaquin.
JN*Just Joaquin on Sunshine today as usual...*
Boy, you really got it going on, Ice. I was *almost* in Glamour, but then
they recinded. It was *too* hilarious, honestly. They told me that my
opinions were "too strong but very well versed", so they were afraid and had
to back out, after writing me a letter saying which issue I was to be in.
(Those silly Feminazis them! I could've edited the piece but they were just
too timid...Oh, well...I guess I'm a woman of too much brawn I wasn't prissy
enough for them?)
I've been published in the Seattle Weekly a few times, though. Most of the
time when I've read SODigest, I've thought "This person sucks... I can do
better than that." Same with People. OMG...the idiots who write the movie
reviews in People are so lame compared to David Denby and Terrence Rafferty
over at the New Yorker. :o)
JN
>"Samantha" <samho...@gmail.remove.com> wrote in message
>news:b44bg0trc1pqgrob4...@4ax.com...
>> so you say you have some dirt about what is going on behind the
>> scenes... why not post it? i, for one, would love to know!
>
>I don't know...are you the same Samantha that has been dissing on my girl,
>Halle, over in alt.gossip.celebrities?
yes...yes, that is me. she's beautiful but she is an emotional mess.
i did see her in "monster's ball" this weekend and she definitley
deserved her academy award.
and thanks for posting about it, btw :)
samantha
ICE is right. (Hey, ya wanna start a gossip thread with me???)
That story has been going around about Kyle & Arianna for along time. I don't
know if its true, but it is VERY possible. I think they are both "bearding" for
each other.
A "beard" is a cover for someone. For example, if i go out with Allison
Sweeney. Press takes pics of us, but i REALLY wanna be with Bryan Datillo. Ali
is my beard. (I hope i explained this to our newcomers here :-)
As for Drake, i never heard anything bad about him either. He is boring as
driftwood, LOL. Oh wait, he used to play baseball. I think he may have been in
the major leagues for 5 minutes, and turned to acting. (I still dont get his
appeal, sorry Bon)
I will give some new gossip:::
Rex (Eric Winter) is divorcing his wife, this is real life. Me thinks he may be
involved with Farrah Fath (Mimi). Rex's wife is an ex model like he is.
Gary (more gossip to come)
Back in the year 2000, I had a website on www.insidetheweb.com. I called it
GARYS PLACE.(like a spoof of Melrose Place)........simple enough, right? wrong.
I got interviewed by Soap Opera Digest. They interviewed me, and i was so
excited when it came out. Anthony Geary was on the cover. I was psyched, until
i opened it to the article about me.
THEY CALLED ME GREG!!! They called my site GREGS PLACE!!! How do you mess up
Gary to Greg!!! My 5 minutes of fame were up.
Gary (so i went back to my chips ahoy and dealt ;-)
PS- My site was about personal experiences i had with soap celebs. Who was the
coolest, and who was nasty. I had fun.
You claim all this crap and but you know NOTHING!!!!
Who the fu*k do you think you are?????
*-*-*-*-* People, dont beleive this jerk. He thinks hes something hes
not. He acts like hes Mster big sh*t in this newsgroup along with Miss
Bitch JN. Neither of them is reliable. As a matter of fact, I would LOVE
to see them both slammed with slander lawsuits due to their lame attempts
to gain popularity when they brag and boast about knowing something
private about someone.
If someone is gay and hiding it, its none of your freaking business. Get
that through your thick head!
Again, Google it. And in the case of Dark Horizons, the information I gave
them was posted this month, so it's not hard to find. I can back up what i'm
saying. Can OP?
> *-*-*-*-* People, dont beleive this jerk. He thinks hes something hes
> not. He acts like hes Mster big sh*t in this newsgroup along with Miss
> Bitch JN. Neither of them is reliable. As a matter of fact, I would LOVE
> to see them both slammed with slander lawsuits due to their lame attempts
> to gain popularity when they brag and boast about knowing something
> private about someone.
So it's slander to say that someone is gay? You are very homophobic.
>
> If someone is gay and hiding it, its none of your freaking business. Get
> that through your thick head!
What about if they are straight? Is that my business?
Sounds like someone has some unresolved sexuality issues. Wow, we must've
really hit a nerve with you OP. Is that was this is all about? You're afraid
to come out as a carpet muncher?
> >From: "Iced and Confused" Mr_Ice_Bre...@walmart.com
> >Well, i'll give you this open secret about Kyle Lowder (Brady): he's gay.
> >Gay as a Christmas goose and for some reason NBC has a problem with that.
Very very old news. But, I would point out that no one really knows for sure
if it was NBC or if it was Lowder's own people that pushed him to go for the
double beard arrangement. He was very unhappy about it, before & immediately
after. Likely it was NBC and his people together. His people think he has a
huge future which will go far beyond soaps, but would not if he kept edging
toward coming out of the closet.
> > So
> >they put on their 1954 Doris Day/Rock Hudson mentality and arranged for him
> >to marry Arianna Zucker (Nicole). Frankly, the whole situation makes me
> >sick. It makes me sick that Kyle Lowder would allow other people, especially
> >fellow Hollywood types who are supposedly more liberal and tolerant, to
> >arrange a marriage for him just so he can hide his sexuality.
It's a very sad sorry reflection of the state of the entertainment industry,
though, very realistic.
> >And from whom?
> >The show has a miniscule audience, comprised almost entirely of women aged
> >18-35, who are a lot more forgiving than NBC gives them credit for.
See above. Soap fans still send in hate mail on gay storylines just as they
still send in hate mail with interracial storylines *but* it's much less so
than in the past, definitely a smaller number of bigots & homophobes being
heard from.
> > ... Arianna
> >Zucker sickens me for exploiting this situation all in the name of extra job
> >security (she was about to get axed from the show when they made the offer
> >for her to marry Lowder),
Well, that's one jump to a conclusion that has been made.
> >Kind of reminds me of the situation with James Van Der Beek. Yeah, granted,
> >technically maybe James Van Der Beek shouldn't have been having sex with
> >John Wesley Shipp since Shipp played his father on Dawson's Creek, but they
> >did it, kind of discretely, but that wasn't enough for the WB.
Why shouldn't they have been having an affair? Technically? There was no
reason. It was their business. However, The WB tired of it & the rumors of
it & thought they'd solve the 'problem' by firing Shipp. Since they assumed,
of course, that he would leave North Carolina. The joke was on them when he
stayed on, living with JVDB, instead of having his own digs! Served them
right. Later on, though, JVDB married someone quick like.
> That story has been going around about Kyle & Arianna for along time. I don't
> know if its true, but it is VERY possible. I think they are both "bearding" for
> each other.
Exactly. And, since they seem to be friends & are in a double bearding
arrangement, then, it might not be as heinous for them.
--
Donna B爰
"To look at something as though we had never seen it before requires great
courage." - Henri Matisse, beliefnet
Okay I just got this from repost. But I gotta say if this is true I had no
clue. Then again I honestly say I have absolutely NO backstage info on DOOL
or anyone on the show.
Not much for the gossip column's but woah...Yeah this does kinda remind me
of the Rock Hudson thing. Why exactly can't he come out. I mean Rupert
Everrett has a decent career. Cemetery Man is still my fave film of his.
Also a jaw-dropper The Flash is gay...OMG...If posts like these continue
I'll have to take Ice out of my killfile...
> Not much for the gossip column's but woah...Yeah this does kinda remind me
> of the Rock Hudson thing. Why exactly can't he come out. I mean Rupert
> Everrett has a decent career. Cemetery Man is still my fave film of his.
Not as a romantic lead, he doesn't.
> Also a jaw-dropper The Flash is gay...OMG...If posts like these continue
> I'll have to take Ice out of my killfile...
John Wesley Shipp was heavily dreamed & drooled about when he was on ATWT &
on GL - and not just by gay men. LOL! JVDB was a lucky guy, or at least
that's what they say.
--
Donna B¬¸
"That's going to be her 5th marriage! Pretty good for an ex-nun. Don't
expect me to send another gift!" - Dorian, OLTL [Brynn Thayer as Jenny Wolek
Seigel Vernon Janson Vernon Rinaldi]
> Very very old news.
To you and I because we keep our antennae up, but for some people it's brand
new.
> But, I would point out that no one really knows for sure
> if it was NBC or if it was Lowder's own people that pushed him to go for
the
> double beard arrangement. He was very unhappy about it, before &
immediately
> after. Likely it was NBC and his people together. His people think he has
a
> huge future which will go far beyond soaps, but would not if he kept
edging
> toward coming out of the closet.
He needs to get out of this soap then, because I see no future in movies for
him if he keeps wasting his youth and energy on this crappy show. If he
wants to be an action star, he better start hitting the audition circuit.
>
> > > So
> > >they put on their 1954 Doris Day/Rock Hudson mentality and arranged for
him
> > >to marry Arianna Zucker (Nicole). Frankly, the whole situation makes me
> > >sick. It makes me sick that Kyle Lowder would allow other people,
especially
> > >fellow Hollywood types who are supposedly more liberal and tolerant, to
> > >arrange a marriage for him just so he can hide his sexuality.
>
> It's a very sad sorry reflection of the state of the entertainment
industry,
> though, very realistic.
But somebody has to be the first. Somebody has to come out and say: "The
audience will accept me as a straight action here, even though they know i'm
gay, because i'm an actor."
> > > ... Arianna
> > >Zucker sickens me for exploiting this situation all in the name of
extra job
> > >security (she was about to get axed from the show when they made the
offer
> > >for her to marry Lowder),
>
> Well, that's one jump to a conclusion that has been made.
And it's the right conclusion. Her marriage to Lowder was too well-timed to
be coincidental. Oddly enough, she gets married to a man of dubious
sexuality and suddenly her job isn't on the line anymore. You do the math.
>
> > >Kind of reminds me of the situation with James Van Der Beek. Yeah,
granted,
> > >technically maybe James Van Der Beek shouldn't have been having sex
with
> > >John Wesley Shipp since Shipp played his father on Dawson's Creek, but
they
> > >did it, kind of discretely, but that wasn't enough for the WB.
>
> Why shouldn't they have been having an affair? Technically?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. After all, that's what
Clinton's been saying lately. It's never a good idea for people who work
together to have sex together, gay or straight. What made this worse than
being a simple gay affair between, say, Van Der Beek and a cameraman or
stage hand or craft service table attendant, was that Beek was having sex
with his on-screen dad AND the guy is twice as old as Beek. It looked
horrible. Absolutely horrible. And in the interest of being fair and
balanced, I said the same thing about Clinton and Lewinsky. There's a reason
why society, throughout the centuries, has put a stigma on these behaviors:
they serve a protection. Van Der Beek and Shipp went off and did something
stupid and as a result Shipp got fired. Incidentally, Shipp was outed back
in 1990 or 1991. I remember watching The Flash (a fairly decent version on
CBS) and the tabloids ran pictures of him walking his dogs with his
boyfriend, hand in hand.
> There was no
> reason. It was their business. However, The WB tired of it & the rumors of
> it & thought they'd solve the 'problem' by firing Shipp. Since they
assumed,
> of course, that he would leave North Carolina. The joke was on them when
he
> stayed on, living with JVDB, instead of having his own digs! Served them
> right. Later on, though, JVDB married someone quick like.
I forgot about that. And yes, JVDB did marry someone quick, but the marriage
couldn't have been any more arranged unless Van Der Beek was from India. The
whole thing was staged from start to finish and i'm not sure why because it
happened at the tail end of Dawson's run on television and Van Der Beek is
not an A-list feature film actor right now. He has no career to jeapordize.
>
> > That story has been going around about Kyle & Arianna for along time. I
don't
> > know if its true, but it is VERY possible. I think they are both
"bearding" for
> > each other.
>
> Exactly. And, since they seem to be friends & are in a double bearding
> arrangement, then, it might not be as heinous for them.
I hate that term "bearding". It always makes me think of a fat, bearded
lady at a circus. Can't we come up with something sexier than that?
> "Donna B" <shall...@optonline.net> wrote in message
> news:brrcg0lreliekvtk8...@4ax.com...
>
> > Very very old news.
>
> To you and I because we keep our antennae up, but for some people it's brand
> new.
Seemingly, there are always people it's new to.
> > But, I would point out that no one really knows for sure
> > if it was NBC or if it was Lowder's own people that pushed him to go for
> the
> > double beard arrangement. He was very unhappy about it, before &
> immediately
> > after. Likely it was NBC and his people together. His people think he has
> a
> > huge future which will go far beyond soaps, but would not if he kept
> edging
> > toward coming out of the closet.
>
> He needs to get out of this soap then, because I see no future in movies for
> him if he keeps wasting his youth and energy on this crappy show. If he
> wants to be an action star, he better start hitting the audition circuit.
Agreed. If he wants to do musical theatre, first on Broadway & then in
movies, he needs to get his butt to New York City. If you want more, if you
have a long plan, you make enough of a name & a nest egg off the first 3
year contract on a soap to move as soon as it's over, staying friendly just
in case, of course, but you move on.
> > It's a very sad sorry reflection of the state of the entertainment
> industry,
> > though, very realistic.
>
> But somebody has to be the first. Somebody has to come out and say: "The
> audience will accept me as a straight action here, even though they know i'm
> gay, because i'm an actor."
We've had firsts. We need about a dozen people to come out together, the
higher profile the better, and there's never been a better time than now.
> > > > ... Arianna
> > > >Zucker sickens me for exploiting this situation all in the name of
> > Well, that's one jump to a conclusion that has been made.
>
> And it's the right conclusion. Her marriage to Lowder was too well-timed to
> be coincidental. Oddly enough, she gets married to a man of dubious
> sexuality and suddenly her job isn't on the line anymore. You do the math.
I don't think there's any question that it was an arranged marriage. I just
think it's a double bearded situation where they both gain & their people
are assuaged & the show is, too.
> > Why shouldn't they have been having an affair? Technically?
>
> Just because you can doesn't mean you should. After all, that's what
> Clinton's been saying lately. It's never a good idea for people who work
> together to have sex together, gay or straight. What made this worse than
> being a simple gay affair between, say, Van Der Beek and a cameraman or
> stage hand or craft service table attendant, was that Beek was having sex
> with his on-screen dad AND the guy is twice as old as Beek. It looked
> horrible. ...
That's absurd. To many people who knew about it, it looked positively yummy!
By all accounts they had a very good relationship that lasted most of the
show's term, IOW, years. Fortunately, you don't find gay people getting
nearly as distracted by unimportant external factors like age differences as
do some people. Totally superficial way of looking at their relationship!
> Absolutely horrible. And in the interest of being fair and
> balanced, I said the same thing about Clinton and Lewinsky. ...
A non-relationship that, again by all accounts, bore little to no
resemblance to the real relationship between JDVB & JWS. However, there was
a huge power differential in that non-relationship, him over her, until you
examine her statements about taking knee pads with her. She set out to
seduce. He apparently is easy to seduce & was possibly constantly on the
make. Voila. National nightmare. But, irrelevant to JVDB & JWS.
> There's a reason
> why society, throughout the centuries, has put a stigma on these behaviors:
> they serve a protection. ...
A stigma on what behaviors?
> Van Der Beek and Shipp went off and did something
> stupid and as a result Shipp got fired.
Eventually he got fired - because the entertainment industry is stupid. You
seem to be arguing both sides of the fence.
> Incidentally, Shipp was outed back
> in 1990 or 1991. I remember watching The Flash (a fairly decent version on
> CBS) and the tabloids ran pictures of him walking his dogs with his
> boyfriend, hand in hand.
I don't really consider tabloid outings to be outings. If you don't let them
bother you, they're just so much ink. They print just as much false as they
do true. The people who protest so much are the ones who draw attention to
themselves, when it comes to the tabs.
> > There was no
> > reason. It was their business. However, The WB tired of it & the rumors of
> > it & thought they'd solve the 'problem' by firing Shipp. Since they
> assumed,
> > of course, that he would leave North Carolina. The joke was on them when
> he
> > stayed on, living with JVDB, instead of having his own digs! Served them
> > right. Later on, though, JVDB married someone quick like.
>
> I forgot about that. And yes, JVDB did marry someone quick, but the marriage
> couldn't have been any more arranged unless Van Der Beek was from India.
Of course it was arranged. I've heard it was double bearding as well.
> The
> whole thing was staged from start to finish and i'm not sure why because it
> happened at the tail end of Dawson's run on television and Van Der Beek is
> not an A-list feature film actor right now. He has no career to jeapordize.
Agreed, the timing was crazy. However, he had done a controversial movie
where he played a bottom, even though most of that part ended up on the
cutting room floor.
> > > That story has been going around about Kyle & Arianna for along time. I
> don't
> > > know if its true, but it is VERY possible. I think they are both
> "bearding" for
> > > each other.
> >
> > Exactly. And, since they seem to be friends & are in a double bearding
> > arrangement, then, it might not be as heinous for them.
>
> I hate that term "bearding". It always makes me think of a fat, bearded
> lady at a circus. Can't we come up with something sexier than that?
It goes way way back in history, to be hiding behind a beard. Think
Shakespeare, not circus.
> Agreed, the timing was crazy. However, he had done a controversial movie
> where he played a bottom, even though most of that part ended up on the
> cutting room floor.
What was that, Rules of Attraction?
In any event, I remember a time when I didn't know what a "bottom" or a
"top" was. Before getting on the Internet and meeting up with you good
folks, i'd never heard the term "beard" before. Or "gay for pay".
Why doesn't conservative straights have lingo? It seems to me that every
culture other than straight, white, conservatives have a lingo. And black
people have more lingo than anyone. I've learned new phrases like: "on the
down low" and "bling". Isn't the Internet wonderful? It brings us all
together.
Incidentally, you claim that Zucker and Lowder are "bearding for each
other". So you're saying Zucker is a lesbian? I guess it's possible. Has
Portia De Rossi officially come out? She's been shown lately in many
magazines kissing her girlfriend and I haven't heard anyone get upset about
it or FOX fire her from Arrested Development (granted, she's a lipstick
lesbian, and that's okay with white, heterosexual male America).
Now that Ricky Williams has "retired" from the Dolphins, all kinds of
rumors, well, basically just one, have been coming out of the woodwork. The
rumors are very specific and coming from multiple sources. And get this: I
first heard about the rumors listening to Sports Talk on radio 790 The Zone.
> What was that, Rules of Attraction?
Maybe. I'd have to go look up the name to be sure.
> In any event, I remember a time when I didn't know what a "bottom" or a
> "top" was. Before getting on the Internet and meeting up with you good
> folks, i'd never heard the term "beard" before. Or "gay for pay".
I remember a time when I didn't know any of those terms. I would hope anyone
would. And, frankly, I don't hear 'gay for pay' although I do hear other
terms that mean that, which to me, are more 'lingo'.
> Why doesn't conservative straights have lingo?
They do.
> It seems to me that every
> culture other than straight, white, conservatives have a lingo.
In reality they have the predominant lingo.
> And black
> people have more lingo than anyone. I've learned new phrases like: "on the
> down low" and "bling". Isn't the Internet wonderful? It brings us all
> together.
I'd know 'on the down low' which isn't black per se & 'bling' without being
online.
> Incidentally, you claim that Zucker and Lowder are "bearding for each
> other". So you're saying Zucker is a lesbian?
Yes, obviously. I wasn't sure if you read that the first time I said it.
> I guess it's possible. Has
> Portia De Rossi officially come out?
No.
> She's been shown lately in many
> magazines kissing her girlfriend and I haven't heard anyone get upset about
> it or FOX fire her from Arrested Development (granted, she's a lipstick
> lesbian, and that's okay with white, heterosexual male America).
They got married. Lipstick lesbian is only okay with parts of American
culture, just as only parts of American culture buy into rigid stereotypes
like lipstick lesbians.
--
Donna B爰
"You know, some people need to have their butt kicked on principle!" - Ben,
to Jessica, about Doc, ATWT, 7-26-04
That's Dame Bitch to you, OP. And Sir Significant Shit.
Good God. At least be politically correct about it and get it right,
Lameass.
JN