OT:What's this world coming to?
TresBonBon
and couldn't help but notice how many teens were trying so hard to look like
the Osborne kids. Please don't tell me those two are actually role models!
EEEEKKK! If I start seeing women looking like Anna Nichole Smith there next
time, I won't know what to think. :o)
IMNSHO, there are three shows on TV that should be summarily wrapped in
yesterday's newspaper and tossed in the incinerator.
1. The Osbornes
2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
3. The Howard Stern Show
You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm convinced
that show is scripted anyway.
~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
YoBro521
>2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
>3. The Howard Stern Show
>You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm
>convinced
>that show is scripted anyway.
>
Donahue anymore is like the Springer show.
Osborne's is a very popular show. Not many people actually have seen how rich
people really live. Of course, movies and such. But this show is "real life!"
The kids are brats, no argument there. But they seem to love their parents very
much and have close relationships. Sharon and Ozzie have a very loving
relationship. They genuinely love each other and it's not a soap opera. Every
time he is in a jam he cries SHARRROOON!
How many people felt bad for Ozzie when he was crying because his wife has
colon cancer, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him and her. They are
authentic people in my book, no matter how dysfunctional.
The point I am trying to make is this show embodies real life although they are
rich. She has colon cancer for god's sake! Their kids are brats; probably a lot
of parents on this NG have brats. God only knows how those kids are going to
turn out, probably drug addicts. But they have fun and they love each other
plus they are truly happy. With all the cursing and childish crap on the show
there is good messages overall.
One last thing is "real TV." Real life TV is not always real life TV, only what
the camera shows, remember that. God only knows how they REALLY act when the
spot light is off.
Supachad
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> IMNSHO, there are three shows on TV that should be summarily wrapped in
> yesterday's newspaper and tossed in the incinerator.
> 1. The Osbornes
> 2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
> 3. The Howard Stern Show
> You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm
convinced
> that show is scripted anyway.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
I'm with you. I absolutely can't stand those sleazy talk shows like Ricki
Lake, Maury Povich, Jenny Jones, etc. I was flipping channels the other day
and Springer was on and two HUGE fat women were fighting over some toothless
loser. Here's my question: why were they both standing there in their bra
and panties?
As for Anna Nicole...OMG(oodness) is all I can say! I refuse to watch
Osbournes or anything else on MTV. It's all trash.
--
Suz@nne (shaking my head in amazement).
Supachad
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>
> > With all the cursing and childish crap on the show
> there is good messages overall.
Are you kidding?
--
Suz@nne
YoBro521
I am not kidding. You must not watch the show. I am not a big fan but sometimes
they have like 5 or 6 hours worth on week ends and I tune in sometimes for a
few episodes.
Ozzie and Sharon love each other and their kids. It's a bad show because the
kids curse? Ease drop like they do on DOOL on your kid's conversation and see
what they are talking about.
But anyhow, back to the message from the show. It's an over all good message.
They are rich but they do face adversity too, colon cancer, alcoholism, basic
problems that everyone has to face. But they care for each other. For as
dysfunctional as it is, those people are truly happy. Like pigs in shit if you
will. I don't agree with the drinking and drugging that Sharon and Ozzie allow
their kids to do, but I'm not their parents. Plus, Ozzie would be a hypocrite
if he said anything to them lol. The kids are rich and spoiled and I am sure
they don't act any different then our President's children (or anyone who has
money and stature).
I understand Bonbon's point completely about generations are getting worse with
modernity. It's true, read Flannery O'Connors A GOOD MAN IS HARD TO FIND from
years and years ago. She said it back then that children are getting worse.
This is big in literature, the question, is getting better (progressivism,
modernity, technology) really getting better or making society worse?
My argument that as BAD as they are they also great authentic people (Ivan
Ilych before he died) (Sharon and Ozzie). I thought the same way as most people
who hate the show until I watched it. My mother pointed out how much Ozzie
cares for Sharon and from then I noticed how they all care for each other. To
reiterate, it was moving watching OZZIE, the prince of darkness, cry on nation
TV scared to death because of his wife's colon cancer. Which brings up another
point, they are human too.
While they do have money and fame they have something a lot of what most
families do not have today, Love!
Supachad
> Ozzie and Sharon love each other and their kids. It's a bad show because
the
> kids curse? Ease drop like they do on DOOL on your kid's conversation and
see
> what they are talking about.
I can guarantee my child doesn't talk like that. He's only 7! The thing is,
he doesn't here it from his parents. And, gee, here's a unique concept, we
actually talk to him about right and wrong... and filthy language is wrong.
> I don't agree with the drinking and drugging that Sharon and Ozzie allow
> their kids to do, but I'm not their parents. Plus, Ozzie would be a
hypocrite
> if he said anything to them lol.
Let's see....so if I've ever done anything in my past or present that was
wrong or bad, I can never talk to my kid about not making the same mistake?
>The kids are rich and spoiled and I am sure
> they don't act any different then our President's children (or anyone who
has
> money and stature).
OK, that's a cheap shot on Dubya. I choose to ignore it.
>
> I understand Bonbon's point completely about generations are getting worse
with
> modernity. It's true, read Flannery O'Connors A GOOD MAN IS HARD TO FIND
from
> years and years ago. She said it back then that children are getting
worse.
> This is big in literature, the question, is getting better (progressivism,
> modernity, technology) really getting better or making society worse?
I have my own theory about that, and I'm sure I'll get a lot of heated
responses. But What the heck...here goes. I believe that the morals and
ethics of children has declined and the adolescent crime rate has gone up
because too many families have both parents working full-time outside the
home. Call me old fashioned, but I didn't have a child so that a day care
center could raise them. I also wouldn't want my pre-teen or teenager coming
home from school and being unsupervised for several hours.
> My argument that as BAD as they are they also great authentic people
(Ivan
> Ilych before he died) (Sharon and Ozzie). I thought the same way as most
people
> who hate the show until I watched it. My mother pointed out how much Ozzie
> cares for Sharon and from then I noticed how they all care for each other.
To
> reiterate, it was moving watching OZZIE, the prince of darkness, cry on
nation
> TV scared to death because of his wife's colon cancer. Which brings up
another
> point, they are human too.
>
> While they do have money and fame they have something a lot of what most
> families do not have today, Love!
I don't doubt that they love each other. I just don't understand why society
chooses to celebrate them so much. I have a lot of love in my family, but I
don't choose to tell my husband or child, "You know, sweetie, I really
fu***g love you."
--
Suz@nne
Silve...@webtv.net
children's style of dressing, that style has been around since punk
invaded in the seventies. Hell when I was a freshman I used to wear
neckties and clothing with safety pins and this was over thirteen years
ago.
And as far as the profanity, I've known quite a few families who allowed
their children to curse and it was no problem. Wasn't shocking then and
it really isn't shocking now.
Come on, get out of the suburban glass bubble and see what's really
going on.
Marilee317
>> I don't agree with the drinking and drugging that Sharon and Ozzie allow
>> their kids to do, but I'm not their parents. Plus, Ozzie would be a
>hypocrite
>> if he said anything to them lol.
>
>Let's see....so if I've ever done anything in my past or present that was
>wrong or bad, I can never talk to my kid about not making the same mistake?
The problem is this isn't Ozzy's past it is his present. He still does drugs
and drinks too much.
>I have my own theory about that, and I'm sure I'll get a lot of heated
>responses. But What the heck...here goes. I believe that the morals and
>ethics of children has declined and the adolescent crime rate has gone up
>because too many families have both parents working full-time outside the
>home. Call me old fashioned, but I didn't have a child so that a day care
>center could raise them. I also wouldn't want my pre-teen or teenager coming
>home from school and being unsupervised for several hours.
I agree that children need to be around their parents more. I agree that the
ideal would be to have one parent available to them during the day. But, that
is not possible for all families and I would not want to tell someone that they
couldn't have children because they couldn't afford to stay home with them. I
think the world has changed more than mommies not being able/wanting to stay
home. I think the whole sense of community has evaporated and children don't
have the extended sense of family and belonging that they use to. Children are
not playing outside as much (for safety reasons) and they are given terrible
programs to watch and violent games to play for fun. Parents need to instill
values whether or not they are home all of the time.
Mare
"If men would consider not so much wherein they differ, as wherein they agree,
there would be far less of uncharitableness and angry feeling in the
world."Joseph Addison
Supachad
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>
> >Let's see....so if I've ever done anything in my past or present that was
> >wrong or bad, I can never talk to my kid about not making the same
mistake?
>
> The problem is this isn't Ozzy's past it is his present. He still does
drugs
> and drinks too much.
>
That's what I said. "Past *or* present." What kind of parent *wouldn't* warn
their kids about the dangers of drugs and drinking *especially* if they're
in the throws of addiction? Who would want their own child to go thru that?
--
Suz@nne
Supachad
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>
> Come on, get out of the suburban glass bubble and see what's really
> going on.
>
The suburban glass bubble? And what's wrong with the suburbs? I choose to
raise my child in a house with a yard. In a neighborhood with a strong
sense of community. Around people that have a positive influence on his
life. But that's just me. To each his own.
--
Suz@nne
Marilee317
>> >wrong or bad, I can never talk to my kid about not making the same
>mistake?
>>
>> The problem is this isn't Ozzy's past it is his present. He still does
>drugs
>> and drinks too much.
>>
>
>That's what I said. "Past *or* present." What kind of parent *wouldn't* warn
>their kids about the dangers of drugs and drinking *especially* if they're
>in the throws of addiction? Who would want their own child to go thru that?
>--
>Suz@nne
>
I totally agree with you. What I am saying it is not like he presently made
one mistake and can discuss it. It is an ongoing problem that I am not sure he
considers a problem. He also has a wife that is supportive of this behavior.
It is hard to say that this is wrong if they see dad still has a loving wife, a
lot of money, popularity, etc. This is what they've grown up around and I
don't know if they see anything negative about it. Now, I look at him and see
a slurring sick man. They just see daddy.
I saw an episode of Dr. Phil the other night and they did a follow up on a past
guest that had a child taken away from her because the child was obese. While
in foster care the child slimmed down to a normal, healthy weight. She just
delivered another child and the day after the baby was born, she was taken away
from her. They said it was in the child's best interest. Here is what I
don't understand, how is it that they can do that so easily when their are
parents (like the Osbournes) who let the children do so many unsafe and
unhealthy things.
Marilee317
>The suburban glass bubble? And what's wrong with the suburbs? I choose to
>raise my child in a house with a yard. In a neighborhood with a strong
>sense of community. Around people that have a positive influence on his
>life. But that's just me. To each his own.
>--
>Suz@nne
You do understand that where you live isn't a choice for all people, right?
YoBro521
>I totally agree with you. What I am saying it is not like he presently made
>one mistake and can discuss it. It is an ongoing problem that I am not sure
>he
>considers a problem. He also has a
Ozzie and Sharon talk to Jack and Kelly, they just don't get anywhere.
Supachad
suburban glass bubble" as if there were something wrong with living in the
suburbs. Parents can have a positive influence on their kids no matter where
they live. My whole point is why do we accept certain behaviors just because
"everyone's doing it?"
--
Suz@nne
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YoBro521
>I can guarantee my child doesn't talk like that. He's only 7! The thing is,
>he doesn't here it from his parents. And, gee, here's a unique concept, we
>actually talk to him about right and
If I recall correctly, Jack and Kelly were sweet little angels on the travel
channel taped back in like 93'. Give your kid 9 years, and then we will have
this discussion.
>
>Let's see....so if I've ever done anything in my past or present that was
>wrong or bad, I can never talk to my kid about not making the same mistake?
Come on, that's not what I am saying. His kids have REASON. They aren't going
to listen to him about drugs, he does talk to them.
>OK, that's a cheap shot on Dubya. I choose to ignore it.
No prob.
>I have my own theory about that, and I'm sure I'll get a lot of heated
>responses. But What the heck...here goes. I believe that the morals and
>ethics of children has declined and the adolescent crime rate has gone
>up
>because too many families have both parents working full-time outside the
>home. Call me old fashioned, but I didn't have a child so that a day care
>center could raise them. I also wouldn't want my pre-teen or teenager coming
Wait a second, wouldn't BOTH parents WORKING, not just the father, be
classified under modernity????? As society modernizes it changes, hence
modernity.
>or teenager coming
>home from school and being unsupervised for several hours.
Again, modernity.
>I don't doubt that they love each other. I just don't understand why society
>chooses to celebrate them so much. I have a lot of love in my family, but I
>don't choose to tell my husband or child, "You know, sweetie, I really
>fu***g love you."
There's a lot to like about Ozzie and Sharon, they have flair, he is a rock
star and a decent guy!
YoBro521
>suburban glass bubble" as if there were something wrong with living in the
>suburbs. Parents can have a positive influence on their kids no matter where
>they live. My whole point is why do we accept certain behaviors just because
>"everyone's doing it?"
>--
HAHA Now you're asking questions about the human condition. Age old questions.
Essentially, we are like monkeys. We do what everyone else does because we a
very social animal and have a need to fit in.
Supachad
> If I recall correctly, Jack and Kelly were sweet little angels on the
travel
> channel taped back in like 93'. Give your kid 9 years, and then we will
have
> this discussion.
>
I'll be glad to have this discussion with you in 9 years. You're forgetting
the most important point. My husband and I are not Sharon and Ozzie, and we
don't raise our child with the level of permissiveness that they do.
> Wait a second, wouldn't BOTH parents WORKING, not just the father, be
> classified under modernity????? As society modernizes it changes, hence
> modernity.
>
> >or teenager coming
> >home from school and being unsupervised for several hours.
>
> Again, modernity.
Define modernity. I think in most cases (obviously with some exceptions),
both parents have to work outside the home just to make ends meet. I'm not
disagreeing with you, maybe we're just interpreting the same concept in
different ways.
> >I don't doubt that they love each other. I just don't understand why
society
> >chooses to celebrate them so much. I have a lot of love in my family, but
I
> >don't choose to tell my husband or child, "You know, sweetie, I really
> >fu***g love you."
>
> There's a lot to like about Ozzie and Sharon, they have flair, he is a
rock
> star and a decent guy!
>
That's highly debatable. Besides I never liked his music!
--
Suz@nne
Supachad
Ok, I know I'm risking ridicule here, but here goes. Since I became a
Christian (please no flames) my heart's desire is not to conform to what the
world says is OK. I try my best to live up to the standard that God set thru
Jesus. Having said that, I'm not perfect, and I don't have to be. I make
mistakes all the time. But my "want to's" have changed.
--
Suz@nne
TresBonBon
>>The suburban glass bubble? And what's wrong with the suburbs? I choose to
>>raise my child in a house with a yard. In a neighborhood with a strong
>>sense of community. Around people that have a positive influence on his
>>life. But that's just me. To each his own.
>>--
>>Suz@nne
>
>You do understand that where you live isn't a choice for all people, right?
>
>Mare
Maybe not but it's a choice for all people to raise their children to think
that profanity is, well, profane. I guess it just depends on what kind of
world they want them to grow up to live in.
I'd like to see one of the Osborne kids grow up and try to fit into the
corporate world. As it is, they are pretty much destined to follow along in
their father's footsteps...IF they have any talent.
TresBonBon
>HAHA Now you're asking questions about the human condition. Age old
>questions.
>
>Essentially, we are like monkeys. We do what everyone else does because we a
>very social animal and have a need to fit in.
No, sorry! Maybe some people do. Not all of us, however. And the Osborne
kids would definitely "not fit in" in my world.
TresBonBon
So does that mean they should just give up? Splashing their private lives all
over the world certainly can't be helping. What kind of sick mind allows that?
TresBonBon
>star and a decent guy!
>
Oh, yeah, an alcoholic drug addict! Just the kind of decent guy I'd want to
have as a friend! I don't think so.
TresBonBon
>children's style of dressing, that style has been around since punk
>invaded in the seventies. Hell when I was a freshman I used to wear
>neckties and clothing with safety pins and this was over thirteen years
>ago
I'm not talking about the punk hair, etc. I mean they are dressing to look
EXACTLY like them.
TackneyNYC
>Osbournes or anything else on MTV. It's all trash.
Remember when MTV actually played music videos??? LOL
Anna Nicole Smith is very sad, IMO. But she's making millions of dollars doing
it.
Donna T
"There is in every true woman's heart a spark of heavenly fire, which
lies dormant in the broad daylight of prosperity; but which kindles
up, and beams and blazes in the dark hour of adversity."
Washington Irving
TresBonBon
>>Osbournes or anything else on MTV. It's all trash.
>
>Remember when MTV actually played music videos??? LOL
>Anna Nicole Smith is very sad, IMO. But she's making millions of dollars
>doing
>it.
>
>Donna T
Yes, I watched MTV religiously in the early 80s. They seemed to go downhill
after V1 came into being.
And ANS... I really believe she is mentally deficient. (Trying to be very
kind.)
YoBro521
>both parents have to work outside the home just to make ends meet. I'm not
>disagreeing with you, maybe we're just interpreting the same concept in
I think in so many words we both are saying that generations are getting worse
with time and modernism. Modernity is anything that changes for improvement.
For instance, a woman in the work place now is rather common and is considered
the "norm." However, 20-30 years ago and before that women were not in the work
place because it was considered a man job! Now women , like you just said
before, are working and the children are raising them selves or being latchkey
kids. Modernism has changed society's view on women and allowed them to enter
the work force is an example. Sometimes modernity, something that is supposed
to improve, ends up not in cases where a child raises themselves. I think you
know what I am getting at. Now I am not suggesting that women should not be
there, but I think you get my point about modernity.
But not even so much women in the work place, children are just bad! If you
like literature, read Flannery O'connors A GOOD MAN IS HARD TO FIND, a classic
example.
>That's highly debatable. Besides I never liked his music!
>--
>Suz@nne
>
That interview with B. Walters would probably make you think different of him.
YoBro521
>all
>over the world certainly can't be helping. What kind of sick mind allows
>that?
>
>
No, I am just saying they are not getting anywhere. IS A REBELLIOUS KID
SOMETHING NEW>? HAHA Osborne kids invented rebellion.
Sick mind? They are getting paid very well. Money can make people do strange
things.
YoBro521
>>
>
>Ok, I know I'm risking ridicule here, but here goes. Since I became a
>Christian (please no flames) my heart's desire is not to conform to what the
>world says is OK. I try my best to live up to the standard that God set thru
>Jesus. Having said that, I'm not perfect, and I don't have to be. I make
>mistakes all the time. But my "want to's" have changed.
>--
>Suz@nne
I understand completely and agree totally!
YoBro521
>kids would definitely "not fit in" in my world.
>
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~
HAHA Maybe you wouldn't fit into their world. Let's look at the kids for what
they are. They are spoiled brats who are rebels. Is this anything new?
YoBro521
>have as a friend! I don't think so.
>
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
He's authentic. Not many people are.
Supachad
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> That interview with B. Walters would probably make you think different of
him.
>
OK. We're on the same page about the modernity (did that word come from the
same place as "consequentialism"!?). I didn't see the interview. And I'm not
saying he's a *bad* person. Everyone is redeemable. I just don't share the
same morals as the Osbournes.
--
Suz@nne
Spangliekins
>
It's not just the punk hair that really ever bothers me on that show.
(I've befriended people over the years of all ages with green
highlighted hair, orange hair, purple "cellophaned" hair, dyed "Billy
Idol" white hair, etc. My own hairdresser does all that crap to her
hair constantly. As long as I don't have to sleep next to Eddie
Munster hair, I'm fine.) Kelly wears thong underwear that sticks up
out of her pants and Jack often wears *no* underwear. That's just
disgusting. Come on, people. Nobody wants to see your bare a*s crack
or part of your undies risin' up out of jeans.
Ozzy called Kelly on it, too, and bugged her about her visible red
thong undies in the kitchen on one episode. Jack has bent over to feed
the dogs, pick up socks of his floor, and wrestle his pro skateboarder
houseguest Jason Dill, so that's how I've seen his rather visible lack
of boxers & brief habit.
I don't like how Ozzy's kids sometimes don't look clean. I don't get
it, either. The older sister Aimee has done modeling and is pretty as
a Monet painting, Ozzy's son Louis from his first marriage is
zit-free, perky clean, and very handsome and keeps his hair clean and
buzz cut whenever he's on the show.
Kelly and Jack always look like they just walked out of a burning
building or something, though. I've never seen two dirtier looking
kids on any t.v. show. I don't mind rock star hairstyles, either, but
you can *tell* when it looks greasy because of pomade, sprays, and
gels and when it's just flat out dirty from not washing it. Ozzy seems
religious about washing his hair and keeping his roots dark. He
showers and dyes constantly on that show and often has a towel on his
head from having just showered. Sharon's always at the salon. Why are
young Jacky and Kels so filthy lookin'????
As for the children and all of their cussing, I've seen every episode
of The Osbournes since it first aired. I'm opposed to the two kids
*EVER* cussing at the dinner table. As for them cussing in the house,
I've seen the two kids cuss each other out, but I don't recall seeing
them call their parents cuss names. I think it's to be expected that
they'd cuss at each other at that age. They shouldn't do so in front
of their parents, though. That's disrespectful. Also, I'm opposed to
how Jack calls the nanny a b**ch so often behind her back. That's so
ridiculous and I'm getting sick of it. She's just doing her job and if
he didn't smoke pot and have girls sneak into his bedroom after dark,
his parents would not need Melinda (I think that's the nanny's name?)
to ever watch dog him in the first place. If he wants more freedom, he
should get his own apartment and quit taking his anst out on the nanny
lady.
JN
Spangliekins
> I had to go to the mall the other day (a place I try to avoid like the plague)
> and couldn't help but notice how many teens were trying so hard to look like
> the Osborne kids. Please don't tell me those two are actually role models!
> EEEEKKK! If I start seeing women looking like Anna Nichole Smith there next
> time, I won't know what to think. :o)
>
> IMNSHO, there are three shows on TV that should be summarily wrapped in
> yesterday's newspaper and tossed in the incinerator.
> 1. The Osbornes
> 2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
> 3. The Howard Stern Show
> You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm convinced
> that show is scripted anyway.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
Howard Stern *ACTS* like with his ugly horse face he's seen, been
around on a 24 hour basis, and has "experienced" more boobs than any
man alive. That's what I can't stand about his show. He's just like
Lorenzo Llamas on that new Are You Hot t.v. show. He berates women
left and right for their boobs as if he's been around and dated a
bunch of Pam Anderson's left and right all his life. He's not so hot
himself. Just being on TV and the Radio isn't enough of a prize to me
for him to be acting that way. There's been countless times where I've
channel surfed and seen him cut some girl down about her boobs when
they really weren't that saggy, discolored, or bad looking. He must be
dreaming if he thinks his body is anything special. Everybody who
appears on his show is like 50 times hotter than he is (or Robin is)
and I think he's just jealous. I hate that show.
JN
YoBro521
>same place as "consequentialism"!?). I didn't see the interview. And I'm not
>saying he's a *bad* person. Everyone is redeemable. I just don't share the
>same morals as the Osbournes.
Modernity is a word. I am sure that Bonbon checked on that already :).
Consequentialism is a school of thought in philosophy (Some is "right" or
"wrong" depending on its consequence).
On a side note, Ozzie and Sharon have a history together. They didn't always
have the life of the rich and famous. To make a long story short Ozzie was
broke when he met Sharon (gave everything he had to his wife at the time so he
could be with Sharon). Sharon and Ozzie were sued by her father, his manager,
over stupid stuff. They ended up living in a van and Aimee, the oldest sister
no one ever sees, lived with them in the van. The brats were born yet.
Sharon could have screwed Ozzie royally and take all his money but she helped
his career.
But Sharon and Ozzie do love each other, that's for sure.
YoBro521
>them call their parents cuss names. I think it's to be expected that
>they'd cuss at each other at that age. They shouldn't do so in front
>of their parents, though. That's disrespectful. Also, I'm opposed to
>how Jack calls the nanny a b**ch so often behind her back. That's so
Jack is a sneaky f***! I wouldn't trust that little snake. I doubt any girl
would sleep with him if he wasn't rich regardless of what type of personality
he had. He could have eyes like Sinatra and a voice like Elvis Presley (AKA The
King) and I doubt girls would sleep with him.
I think he gets it from his maternal grandfather. The fat Yiddish man whom I
forget his name is a sneaky sucker too.
Spangliekins
> "TresBonBon" <tresb...@aol.comeondown> wrote in message
> > IMNSHO, there are three shows on TV that should be summarily wrapped in
> > yesterday's newspaper and tossed in the incinerator.
> > 1. The Osbornes
> > 2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
> > 3. The Howard Stern Show
> > You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm
> convinced
> > that show is scripted anyway.
> >
> > ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
>
> Lake, Maury Povich, Jenny Jones, etc. I was flipping channels the other day
> and Springer was on and two HUGE fat women were fighting over some toothless
> loser. Here's my question: why were they both standing there in their bra
> and panties?
>
> As for Anna Nicole...OMG(oodness) is all I can say! I refuse to watch
> Osbournes or anything else on MTV. It's all trash.
The hugeness isn't really the issue. I don't even know why you brought
it up??? I've channel surfed and seen 8 million "titless wonders"
wearing goofy looking cheap flourescent lingerie and exposing
themselves to "win their man" on Jerry Springer over the years, too.
In fact, I've met, worked in the same building as, or have known guys
who dated more skinny, bone thin White, Black, Indian, or Latino trash
in my life than fat trash to be quite honest. (A lot of extremely fat
women have trust issues regarding being cheated on according to the
ones I've met, so some of them don't even date.)
If somebody's going to expose themselves in their bra, they had better
HAVE something to expose in the first place. Skinny looking trash
exposing their "boobs" on t.v. just totally makes me laugh. Fat women
aren't anything special, either, but at least they have boobs to be
exposing in the first place. I really have to gasp and think "WHERE
ARE THEY AT?!?!?!" when those Pancake looking chicks on Springer's
show expose themselves. It's just really goofy. It's like they're
modeling a bra and not really showing off any skin.
JN
TackneyNYC
>channel surfed and seen him cut some girl down about her boobs when
>they really weren't that saggy, discolored, or bad looking.
Yeah, I've seen the show a few times while channel surfing. What gets me is
the women who willingly and knowingly subject themselves to this. There's no
shortages of bimbos trying to get on the show and strip to be critized by
Howard and his crew. What does that say about them?
Spangliekins
Isn't it sick? I've seen girls say "I know I need to tan less or learn
to tan more evenly. You're right, Howard. My tan lines are not even
and it's making my breasts look worse."
Like what *IS* this Stern flake, Donna? Is he the God of tans and boob
size appropriateness?!?!
You know, for a guy who's sheet white and has never looked tan for a
day of his life, I just cannot get over the tan lines comments,
either. I also don't know very many men who *insist* that their
partner's chest be tanned, unfreckled, or free of the occasional mole
or beauty mark, which I've seen Stern b**ch about on many an occasion.
I feel sorry for the girls. They just want the TV exposure so that
they can be widely seen and maybe get a modeling contract, a layout,
or a bit part on some crummy 30 minute t.v. show.
And in the process of gaining that widely scene free publicity, they
have to put up with Stern and his clowns trying to accuse them of
falling asleep in the tanning booth or not looking porcelain and
freckle-free. DUH! If a girl has red hair, she's probably going to
have freckles on her chest, Howie. WAKE UP, DUDE!
;-)
The girls who come on the show with their MOTHERS I really have to
feel sorry for. I don't know any mom who'd allow their daughter to be
exposed to so much male ridicule all in one serving, personally. I
think those moms need a good kick in the teeth!
JN
Supachad
> Remember when MTV actually played music videos??? LOL
Yeah. I came of age with big hair, Duran Duran, and the MTV Moon Man! :-)
--
Suz@nne
TackneyNYC
>Like what *IS* this Stern flake, Donna? Is he the God of tans and boob
>size appropriateness?!?!
I think his time is over and he's starting to lose some of his edginess. He
used to be called a "Shock Jock" because he did things on the air nobody else
dared to.
Now everyone does it and it's getting boring. He's done nothing new in the
last few years. 10 years ago we'd all say to each other "did you hear what
Stern said today??". Now nobody cares. His schtick is old and tiresome.
Stern is like a 10th grader in school, always making comments about appearances
and making fun of people who are different in some way, but you know dam well
he goes home and plays with himself because he can only hope to dream one of
those women would like him.
Homely guys are the first to criticize a woman for not being perfect. Reminds
me of Shallow Hal, the movie. :-)
Everyone got upset about that movie because there supposedly were too many fat
jokes, but what about the premise that all pretty girls were bitches, vapid and
self centered? :-)
spang...@hotmail.com
One of your sons was divorced before the age of forty and is the son
of a divorced mother who had two failed marriages of her own. How does
that make your child any more of a winner than the Osbourne kids? At
least the Osbourne kids didn't marry young and fail at it like you and
your son did. Sharon tried to *TALK* Jack into marrying and settling
down young about two weeks ago and he refused to hear of it. There's a
difference between being rebellious and being impetuous. Kids who
marry young are impetuous. Kids who party and swear sometimes are
rebellious.
JN
spang...@hotmail.com
She posted one of her son's websites here and also posted a picture of
her little granddaughter. She brags about her dogs constantly, too.
She's obviously one of those "my kids are perfect and there's
something wrong with everyone else's" types of people. There are a lot
of women and men out there like that, Yo Bro. It's nothing new. If you
don't have somebody like that (like an aunt or uncle) in your family,
than your family's probably quite small. Everybody knows somebody like
that and you and I, unfortunately know Bonbon.
I've seen her bitch about people's kids on this show for years and
then she turns around and acts like hers are perfect. One of her kids
was divorced prior to even turning forty and he didn't let his Dad and
Stepmom stay with him over the holidays in Florida. The dad had to
stay with Bonbon instead. I think *ANY* kid who won't let their own
father stay at their home over the holidays and forces the poor guy to
sleep with his current wife at his Ex's house is just flat out
selfish. Selfish to his dad, his own kids, and his mom and step mom.
Her kids are far from perfect, YoBro, and if she weren't such a big
mouth, we wouldn't know this.
JN
YoBro521
>> >
>> > ~ ~ Bonbon ~
>>
>> HAHA Maybe you wouldn't fit into their world. Let's look at the kids for
>what
>> they are. They are spoiled brats who are rebels. Is this anything new?
>
>
>
>She posted one of her son's websites here and also posted a picture of
>her little granddaughter. She brags about her dogs constantly, too.
>She's obviously one of those "my kids are perfect and there's
>something wrong with everyone else's" types of people. There are a lot
>of women and men out there like that, Yo Bro. It's nothing new. If you
>don't have somebody like that (like an aunt or uncle) in your family,
>than your family's probably quite small. Everybody knows somebody like
>that and you and I, unfortunately know Bonbon.
>
>I've seen her bitch about people's kids on this show for years and
>then she turns around and acts like hers are perfect. One of her kids
>was divorced prior to even turning forty and he didn't let his Dad and
>Stepmom stay with him over the holidays in Florida. The dad had to
>stay with Bonbon instead. I think *ANY* kid who won't let their own
>father stay at their home over the holidays and forces the poor guy to
>sleep with his current wife at his Ex's house is just flat out
>selfish. Selfish to his dad, his own kids, and his mom and step mom.
>Her kids are far from perfect, YoBro, and if she weren't such a big
>mouth, we wouldn't know this.
JN, I must admit in all sincere honesty, you out do yourself every day! Keep up
the good work!
TresBonBon
>the "norm." However, 20-30 years ago and before that women were not in the
>work
>place because it was considered a man job!
<snip>
What? Are you kidding? I worked a full-time job and a part-time on weekends
when my husband was in the Air Force to make ends meet. That was in the 50s.
(Do the math!) And there were many, many, many mothers working. In fact, MY
mom and my sister both worked in the 40s.
Women entered the workforce in droves during WWII. I believe we're talking
over 60 years ago.
TresBonBon
>Consequentialism is a school of thought in philosophy (Some is "right" or
>"wrong" depending on its consequence).
You have me confused with Myself.
TresBonBon
>>I've seen her bitch about people's kids on this show for years and
>>then she turns around and acts like hers are perfect. One of her kids
>>was divorced prior to even turning forty and he didn't let his Dad and
>>Stepmom stay with him over the holidays in Florida. The dad had to
>>stay with Bonbon instead. I think *ANY* kid who won't let their own
>>father stay at their home over the holidays and forces the poor guy to
>>sleep with his current wife at his Ex's house is just flat out
>>selfish. Selfish to his dad, his own kids, and his mom and step mom.
>>Her kids are far from perfect, YoBro, and if she weren't such a big
>>mouth, we wouldn't know this.
He was divorced prior to turning 40? OMG! I didn't realize that was a sin now
days. If so, there's probably several million people that fit in that boat.
And you know what? Yah, they're pretty close to perfect. I have no complaints
about either one of them.
Good Lord, Jen, how do you think up these things? They stayed at my house
because they wanted to and he had other guests in his house.
Bonbon <shaking head in disblief> LOL
YoBro521
>when my husband was in the Air Force to make ends meet. That was in the 50s.
>
>(Do the math!) And there were many, many, many mothers working. In fact, MY
>mom and my sister both worked in
BUT IT WAS NOT THE "NORM." Up until the 70's women were getting bashed at work,
especially factories, for doing "a mans job." Women in the work place didn't
all of a sudden happen after WW2, it was a progress.
WTF Am I talking about, that crap still goes on.
>
>Women entered the workforce in droves during WWII. I believe we're talking
>over 60 years ago.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~
They did, no doubt, as a last resort at the time. Don't forget that factories
were short handed. You're arguing past me. You don't get my point. I am saying
that a woman in the work place is now widely accepted and thus taking mothers
out of the home.
But either way my point still stands whether they started 60 years ago like you
said or a slow progress like I said, modernity caused it. :) It was still the
progression of this country that caused others to come out and work whether it
be a dire need for workers (WW2) or an ideological change over years and year
of women's rights and single mothers.
YoBro521
>You have me confused with Myself.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
You're right. But I thought you would have as well. I am sorry if that was not
the case.
TresBonBon
I'm sorry, it's too difficult trying to discuss things with you. You keep
changing directions so often I don't know which way you're going. I give up.
YoBro521
>changing directions so often I don't know which way you're going. I give up.
>
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~ ~
>
I'm not being difficult, honestly. I stated that women in the work place was
not fully accepted till around 1970's. (Actually there is still some crap
today, women make 70% less then men in the same position) Anyhow, you refuted
that. I said fine, you can refute the year and part of history in which it
happened but that itself is irrelevant. But you can't refute that Modernity
overall caused and allowed women to join the work force whether it be a need
for skilled workers or a political and ideological change.
Again, to get back on track. Modernism is something that is great on the
surface but is it great if the nuclear family is changing because of it?
Modernity changed greatly the social institution we call family!
TresBonBon
Case in point!
rockettgirl
> >1. The Osbornes
> >2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
> >3. The Howard Stern Show
> >You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm
> >convinced
> >that show is scripted anyway.
> >
I'm 31 and I love the Osbournes. When they had their recommitment ceremony
and Sharon said her vows to Ozzy I was bawling. They love each other so
much.
> Donahue anymore is like the Springer show.
>
> Osborne's is a very popular show. Not many people actually have seen how
rich
> people really live. Of course, movies and such. But this show is "real
life!"
>
> The kids are brats, no argument there. But they seem to love their parents
very
> much and have close relationships. Sharon and Ozzie have a very loving
> relationship. They genuinely love each other and it's not a soap opera.
Every
> time he is in a jam he cries SHARRROOON!
>
> How many people felt bad for Ozzie when he was crying because his wife has
> colon cancer, I couldn't help but feel sorry for him and her. They are
> authentic people in my book, no matter how dysfunctional.
>
> The point I am trying to make is this show embodies real life although
they are
> rich. She has colon cancer for god's sake! Their kids are brats; probably
a lot
> of parents on this NG have brats. God only knows how those kids are going
to
> turn out, probably drug addicts. But they have fun and they love each
other
> plus they are truly happy. With all the cursing and childish crap on the
show
> there is good messages overall.
>
> One last thing is "real TV." Real life TV is not always real life TV, only
what
> the camera shows, remember that. God only knows how they REALLY act when
the
> spot light is off.
>
YoBro521
>and Sharon said her vows to Ozzy I was bawling. They love each other so
>much.
>
Their wedding was hilarious. The rabbi was speaking and when the rabbi said
something about wine, Ozzie says "Now you're talkin."
Marilee317
>corporate world. As it is, they are pretty much destined to follow along in
>their father's footsteps...IF they have any talent.
>
> ~ ~ Bonbon ~
Jack is already employed as a talent scout for a major label. Kelly has an
album out and is doing shows. I think they will be fine when they grow up
because they are making money now and have tons to fall back on from daddy and
mommy.
They do have another child who seems to speak well and is more respectful of
others and herself.
Mare
"If men would consider not so much wherein they differ, as wherein they agree,
there would be far less of uncharitableness and angry feeling in the
world."Joseph Addison
YoBro521
>Jack is already employed as a talent scout for a major label. Kelly has an
>album out and is doing shows. I think they will be fine when they grow up
>because they are making money now and have tons to fall back on from daddy
>and
>mommy.
I think Jack and Kelly get a bad rap because of their attitude. If one watches
the show one cannot help but think "Sharon or OZZIE, smack him or her!"
However, they are rather hard working, Kelly is doing a singing stunt and Jack
is dumping money into a record label. And lets not forget, they are very young!
>They do have another child who seems to speak well and is more respectful of
>others and herself.
>
Aimee or Amy, I am not sure how she spells it. She doesn't want anything to do
with the show and she lives in the same house but one would never know it
because she made them block every thing out. I seen them blur her name and
actually bleep out her name when someone said it. She wants absolutely no part
of it.
Deb
> Aimee or Amy, I am not sure how she spells it. She doesn't want anything
to do
> with the show and she lives in the same house but one would never know it
> because she made them block every thing out. I seen them blur her name and
> actually bleep out her name when someone said it. She wants absolutely no
part
> of it.
She has her own apartment. They did an interview on 20/20 or a Barbra
Walters special and she said she moved out to keep from accidentally being
filmed. I no longer have my satelitte dish, and miss MTV. Think I'll call
cable and get it added to my program listings. I love watching the show. I
really hate how people knock this family. The boy they adopted said he went
to school with Kelly and she was the only person there who went up to him
when he first arrived years ago and struck up a friendly conversation to get
to know him. He said she was the only 'real' person at their stuck up
school. When his mother became ill, Sharron promised her that they would do
all they could to make sure her son had a good life. And they've done just
that. They've adopted him and are putting him through college.
Larry G
> She has her own apartment. They did an interview on 20/20 or a Barbra
> Walters special and she said she moved out to keep from accidentally being
> filmed. I no longer have my satelitte dish, and miss MTV. Think I'll
call
> cable and get it added to my program listings. I love watching the show.
I
> really hate how people knock this family. The boy they adopted said he
went
> to school with Kelly and she was the only person there who went up to him
> when he first arrived years ago and struck up a friendly conversation to
get
> to know him. He said she was the only 'real' person at their stuck up
> school. When his mother became ill, Sharron promised her that they would
do
> all they could to make sure her son had a good life. And they've done
just
> that. They've adopted him and are putting him through college.
Exactly. I love the show as well, and really admire the love these people
have for each other despite their eccentricities. My mom even cried during
the Ozzy and Sharon re-commitment episode, hehe. They're not perfect, but
they do show love toward each other, which is what the world is sorely
lacking these days. And, what they did by adopting that boy was wonderful.
Larry
YoBro521
>just
>> that. They've adopted him and are putting him through college.
>
>Exactly. I love the show as well, and really admire the love these people
>have for each other despite their eccentricities. My mom even cried during
>the Ozzy and Sharon re-commitment episode, hehe. They're not perfect, but
>they do show love toward each other, which is what the world is sorely
>lacking these days. And, what they did by adopting that boy was wonderful.
>
>Larry
>
Exactly, for as bad as they are they make up for it 2 folds.
Silve...@webtv.net
works for, that shouldn't be a problem.
Not everyone WANTS to work in the corporate world. Not everyone wants to
have a stereotypical 9-5 job. But if a person wants to do that, that's
fine. If Jack and Kelly want to stay in the music business that's fine.
Silve...@webtv.net
the suburbs. But most of the people I've encountered have a *sheltered
view* of life around them.
Owner and Manager of AST I and II
>OK. We're on the same page about the modernity (did that word come from the
>same place as "consequentialism"!?).
<snip>
ROFLMAO. "Modernity?" I had to read that a few times before I realized what
was going on.
I'm confusicated about the authocentricity of the definication of "modernity."
<wink>
;^)
eShellzo, Ph.D. Apt. #1A in AST 1
The doctor is in. "I need a pill."
"He can't beat me on the grade!"
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Marilee317
>was going on.
>
>I'm confusicated about the authocentricity of the definication of
>"modernity."
>
><wink>
>
>
>;^)
>
>eShellzo
Unlike most of the words used in your reply, modernity is an actual word. It
is a huge concept in sociology and philosophy.
YoBro521
>><wink>
>>
>>
>>;^)
>>
>>eShellzo
>
>
>Unlike most of the words used in your reply, modernity is an actual word. It
>is a huge concept in sociology and philosophy.
It's big in literature also. To reiterate, Flannery O'Connor wrote about it in
A GOOD MAN......
YoBro521
>was going on.
You laugh at your ignorance?
Spangliekins
> There is nothing wrong with living in the suburbs. I currently live in
> the suburbs. But most of the people I've encountered have a *sheltered
> view* of life around them.
Where I live in the Pacific NW we know (yet many young couples often
forget...LOL) that rapists hide in the bushes in suburbia just as
easily as they roam the streets of metropolitan cities. The Green
River Killer didn't case out his victims beside the Space Needle after
all. He went to Kent, WA. Maybe in other parts of the country the
burbs are safer, however with all of the trees, moss, creeks,
woodsheds, and cabins in the Pac NW, I don't find the mountains, the
islands, or suburbia to be any safer of a place. When there are no
street lights surrounding your property, it's just a haven for a
predator.
JN
jw...@webtv.net
reality programs.
A few weeks ago when Ozzie & Sharon were interviewed on some program,
they admitted much of the program is planned out ahead of time.
I think it's to bad a drugged out, alcoholic, with a half dead brain has
become a role model for anyone. It's pitiful when that's the best tv has
to offer.
jw...@webtv.net
the heck does "if you will" mean? That is one of the most annoying
phrases in the english language.
I hear it all everywhere, especially on the news. "A fire, if you
will, burned a house to the ground." "There may be a war with Iraq, if
you will."
What does it have to do with if I will or won't? Just state what you
have to say.
The phrase has no meaning. In your statement, are you saying if I
won't it's not "like pigs in shit"?
Terry Pulliam
I think the <wink> in Shell's post might possibly indicate :-^)
Ya think?
Terry "Squeaks" Pulliam
AAC(F)BV66.0748.CA
"Never argue with an idiot.....they bring you down to their level and
then beat you with experience."
YoBro521
>the heck does "if you will" mean? That is one of the most annoying
>phrases in the english language.
>
You sound anal retentive and your attitude suggests like you enjoy being on the
toilet to much, if you will.
> I hear it all everywhere, especially on the news. "A fire, if you
>will, burned a house to the ground." "There may be a war with Iraq, if
>you will."
>
Fate willed it for you to hear it everywhere you go, if you will :)
>
> What does it have to do with if I will or won't? Just state what you
>have to say.
Thanks for the critique!
> The phrase has no meaning. In your statement, are you saying if I
>won't it's not "like pigs in shit"?
>
~
It is not the case that if you won't then it's not like pigs in shit. Or in
symbolic logic, ~( ~p ^ ~q)
Therefore, if you won't it is not like pigs in shit! (~p --> ~q)
So I think you're right!
Supachad
Hey YoBro, some posts are better left alone. The person posting was
obviously trying to start some kind of flame war, and you played right into
it.
--
Suz@nne
YoBro521
>obviously trying to start some kind of flame war, and you played right into
>it.
Thanks for the heads up. I will heed your advice, if you will! LOL :o)--~
rockettgirl
Kevin Youells
> tresb...@aol.comeondown (TresBonBon) wrote in message news:<20030221105150...@mb-mg.aol.com>...
> > I had to go to the mall the other day (a place I try to avoid like the plague)
> > and couldn't help but notice how many teens were trying so hard to look like
> > the Osborne kids. Please don't tell me those two are actually role models!
> > EEEEKKK! If I start seeing women looking like Anna Nichole Smith there next
> > time, I won't know what to think. :o)
> >
> > IMNSHO, there are three shows on TV that should be summarily wrapped in
> > yesterday's newspaper and tossed in the incinerator.
> > 1. The Osbornes
> > 2. The Anna Nicole Smith Show
> > 3. The Howard Stern Show
> > You could probably throw the Jerry Springer Show in with them but I'm convinced
> > that show is scripted anyway.
> >
>
>
> around on a 24 hour basis, and has "experienced" more boobs than any
> man alive. That's what I can't stand about his show. He's just like
> Lorenzo Llamas on that new Are You Hot t.v. show. He berates women
> left and right for their boobs as if he's been around and dated a
> bunch of Pam Anderson's left and right all his life. He's not so hot
> himself. Just being on TV and the Radio isn't enough of a prize to me
> for him to be acting that way. There's been countless times where I've
> channel surfed and seen him cut some girl down about her boobs when
> they really weren't that saggy, discolored, or bad looking. He must be
> dreaming if he thinks his body is anything special. Everybody who
> appears on his show is like 50 times hotter than he is (or Robin is)
> and I think he's just jealous. I hate that show.
>
> JN
The problem with Stern is he should have called it quits years ago. He
hasn't come up with anything original since I was in high school.
(class of 1994, thank you very much) HEY HOWARD!! TIME TO GO!!!!! No
wonder his wife left him. Must have been a lack of imagination in the
bedroom or something....
Beth
jw...@webtv.net
folks ar those who are unsure of what they are saying, or perhaps lack
confidence . Adding "if you will" seems to indicate the speaker isn't
really sure of what he/she is saying and is seeking approval from
others.
Same thing with folks who end almost every sentence with a question.
Last fall the state ran an anti-smoking ad on tv. A boy about 12 was
talking about his father's cancer death. "I loved my father? We did
everything together? I really miss him? It's not right that he died?"
Every sentence ended in a question. Was this kid numb? Doesn't he know
if he loved his father, misses him, etc.? Why was he asking?
When I speak, I know what I'm talking about. If I buy a new car, I'll
say I bought a new car. I don't ask someone else if I did.
Then there's the folks who leave "d"s and "t"s out of the middle of
words when they speak. Didn't become di'nt, mountain is mou'in (no n or
t), etc.
All part of the dumbing down of america.
YoBro521
I am glad to see that you have a zealous interest in written communication! I
think to suit your urges to correct the world of bad grammar you should maybe
get into English or journalism at a local University. But since you know it all
already maybe you could just get a job correcting papers or lecturing about
your pet peeves at a local university.
I can't rag on you I have a couple "pet peeve" of my own that relate to
English. Well most of all is the people who get on other people who misspell a
word. I don't like that. That's trivial to me but of course it is what some
people all day! Some people are not good spellers just like some people really
suck at math. There is a small section in the brain that is thought to be
designated to spelling and some people are weaker than others in that area,
hence we have bad spellings. It has nothing to do with intelligence.
But at any rate I hate when people use "due to" or "due to the fact." What's
wrong with using "because" once in a while? But I don't say anything because
that's how they learned it. My written communication requirement in college
prohibited using "due to." I think it was the professor's pet peeve and it
rubbed off on me!
But anyhow, if you hate me using "if you will" so much that you confront me
about it then I will stop. Are you happy? One down and about 286 million to go.
Oh, that's right, a lot of people from other countries can speak English so
let's say one down and about 4 billion to go.
YoBro521
>All part of the dumbing down of america.
>
>
Call me BonBon, but isn't our country in which we in habit and love so dearly
spelt with an uppercase A??
Dana M B
And isn't it inhabit?
<g>
Dana
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YoBro521
>And isn't it inhabit?
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><g>
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>Dana
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Call me Dana, but isn't our country in which we inhabit and love so dearly
Dana M B
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> >And isn't it inhabit?
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> ><g>
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> >Dana
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> Call me Dana,
Ok Dana. ;P
>but isn't our country in which we inhabit and love so dearly
> spelt with an uppercase A??
Yep!