Fonts for original show?
Kishin
of it, so I'd like to get it as close to the original as possible.
TIA!
Kishin
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
I'd assume it's all copyrighted still to this day including the font.
(The Star Trek font is copyrighted as an example.)
Anim8rFSK
Mrs. Dud <Mrs...@BuffaloStateCollege.edu> wrote:
The Star Trek font was original; I'd bet the Dark Shadows font wasn't.
In any event
Check out the gothic section
You can type in Dark Shadows and see every font write it out for you.
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news:h8uu08$8o8$1...@news.eternal-september.org:
The "D" and "S" are Old English.
The other letters are Caslon Bold Condensed.
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
>In article <0p87b51f3q81a2ljt...@4ax.com>,
> Mrs. Dud <Mrs...@BuffaloStateCollege.edu> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:15:20 -0400, "Kishin" <noth...@nowhere.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >I was thinking of making a shirt, and the logo would be a significant part
>> >of it, so I'd like to get it as close to the original as possible.
>> >
>> >TIA!
>> >
>> >Kishin
>> >
>> I'd assume it's all copyrighted still to this day including the font.
>>
>>
>> (The Star Trek font is copyrighted as an example.)
>
>The Star Trek font was original; I'd bet the Dark Shadows font wasn't.
>
>In any event
>
>http://www.dafont.com/
>
>Check out the gothic section
>
>You can type in Dark Shadows and see every font write it out for you.
But the point is a number of fonts are copyrighted. Check that
before you use it.
Anim8rFSK
Mrs. Dud <Mrs...@BuffaloStateCollege.edu> wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 08:41:20 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM...@cox.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <0p87b51f3q81a2ljt...@4ax.com>,
> > Mrs. Dud <Mrs...@BuffaloStateCollege.edu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 17 Sep 2009 23:15:20 -0400, "Kishin" <noth...@nowhere.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I was thinking of making a shirt, and the logo would be a significant
> >> >part
> >> >of it, so I'd like to get it as close to the original as possible.
> >> >
> >> >TIA!
> >> >
> >> >Kishin
> >> >
> >> I'd assume it's all copyrighted still to this day including the font.
> >>
> >>
> >> (The Star Trek font is copyrighted as an example.)
> >
> >The Star Trek font was original; I'd bet the Dark Shadows font wasn't.
> >
> >In any event
> >
> >http://www.dafont.com/
> >
> >Check out the gothic section
> >
> >You can type in Dark Shadows and see every font write it out for you.
> But the point is a number of fonts are copyrighted. Check that
> before you use it.
The point is, a copyrighted font has restrictions on it's sale, not it's
use, otherwise there would be no point in getting it.
Very very very very VERY rarely will you see a font that says you can't
use it for, for instance, broadcast without paying an additional fee.
I've never seen that for shirt use at all, much less for a private
one-off shirt.
And the fonts at dafont don't have that restriction at all.
Wind River
Fonts aren't copyrighted for use; otherwise you'd have to pay everytime
you typed something. Logos are copyrighted, so the use of the Old
English as the capital letters combined with the Caslon would be
copyrighted as a logo.
Anim8rFSK
Wind River <wind_...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I've only hit one case in the last 10 years where a font had use
restrictions; a friend of mine bought a fairly expensive font his client
wanted to use for a Discovery Channel show, and inside there was a
notice that if you used it for TV you had to pay them another $600 or
something. There was *no* way to know this without buying the font.
His companies lawyers called and straightened that out.
Fair point that the DS logo is probably protected somehow, especially if
they used it on any of the recent revivals.
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
Use it with caution. I've heard of people nailed by Paramount
for using the Star Trek font.
They have lawyers watching, especially if you're selling it
or making money off of it.
Mrs. Dud
But the point is there are fonts that are copyrighted.
Use at your own peril.
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
>Fair point that the DS logo is probably protected somehow, especially if
>they used it on any of the recent revivals.
given that someone has the rights to make a new Dark Shadows movie.
Whatever studio is involved will have lawyes watching like a
hawk. Use at your own peril.
Be warned that lawyers are very quick to intervene if their
copyright is violated be it on a web site, etc.
Bear in mind too the studio will even step in and shut
down something as innocent as a Buffy OMWF sing along.
Welcome to 2009.
Wind River
Star Trek isn't a font. It's a logo.
I work in the field of typography and create logos all the time.
Wiseguy
news:ht1ab59jemp4ha7ks...@4ax.com:
The Star Trek fonts were available for purchase and licensed by
Paramount by Bitstream Inc./Lil Bits in 1992 on floppy disk.
How can I be sued by Paramount by using a product licensed by Paramount?
Joe
wrote:
I would doubt that someone would come after a person that is making a
T shirt for their own use and further how would htey know? There
would be no money in it for them plus it would not be preventing
anyone from making money so more reason that it would not be something
DS would pursue if they could
Joe
<Mrs...@BuffaloStateCollege.edu> wrote:
The people were probably trying to make money off the Star Trek thing.
See them at various shows. Of course they have a financial interest in
stopping that sort of thing. But a person making it for their own use
they would never know about and further would never never know that
someone isnt selling that item legally.
vince garcia
You're right about the star trek font, but they did not make it
available for public use and then sue those who used it in a product;
they monitor someone who COPIES the font and renames it "space font" or
something like that. But i haven't heard of anyone else suing over fonts
otherwise.
Wiseguy
news:4AB602...@ix.netcom.com:
Paramount did release all Star Trek fonts as a program. I bought it
myself.
Kishin
news:jv6bb5ho74c6m3ada...@4ax.com...
Thanks, guys. It turns out I already had Caslon installed on my system. It
probably came with Adobe CS4. The old English font I found at a free fonts
download site. Both are perfectly legal. The DS logo probably is
copyrighted, but I am only making one shirt, for myself. That should be
sufficiently below the radar of the legal eagles.
--
Kishin
Mrs. Dud
There is a Star Trek font owned by Paramount. Paramount has been
using it for years on their ads.
>I work in the field of typography and create logos all the time.
Then you would know Paramount owns the Trek Font.
Mrs. Dud
My understanding is you're liscensd to use the font for non
commercial purposes.
Remmeber you're not buying the font, you're buying a liscense to
use it.
Oh if you go to Trek cons you'll find a lot of dealers
selling so called liscensed stuff that in reaality is
not liscensed by Paramount. And many of these dealers
have been nailed by Paramount for it.
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
Except that Paramount and other studios have nailed people for
so called "personal use" of copyrighted material.
Someone will put up a "personal" fan site for xxx shows and
the studio will crush them like a bug.
Paramount and other studios are constantly watching to
protect their copyrights.
Mrs. Dud
And if you read that liscense what you bought was a liscense to
use the product for non commercial purposes.
Go read the liscense some time.
Wiseguy
That goes without saying. Someone posted that you couldn't use the font
at all.
> Remmeber you're not buying the font, you're buying a liscense to
> use it.
>
> Oh if you go to Trek cons you'll find a lot of dealers
> selling so called liscensed stuff that in reaality is
> not liscensed by Paramount. And many of these dealers
> have been nailed by Paramount for it.
>
>
This program was licensed by Paramount.
Wiseguy
I don't have to. Someone posted that Paramount did not release the
fonts and that you couldn't use them at all. I was correcting those
statements. I never mentioned using them for commercial purposes.
Mrs. Dud
wrote:
Paramount hires people to go around to cons/etc. and keep an
eye out for unauthorized use of their copyrighted material.
That customer in front of you at the dealers room at xxx con,
he/she may well be working for Paramount.
>There
>would be no money in it for them plus it would not be preventing
>anyone from making money so more reason that it would not be something
>DS would pursue if they could
Paramount invests alot of money in protecting their copyrights.
That copyright is their bread and butter.
BTW, they are making a new Dark Shadowx movie, someone owns thsose
rights and with a new Dark Shadows movie they will watch over those
copyrights like a hawk.
You can bank on it.
Go look around and see how much money is made on merchandise
for movies like Star Trek/etc., then you'll see why Paramount wants to
protect their property.
DivaM...@webtv.net
> for xxx shows and the studio will crush
> them like a bug.
Yes, I've heard of this happening, and it seems like a really bad idea
to me. Unless someone is passing themselves off as an "official" site
or making money off of some unlicensed merchandise, fan sites ought to
be considered free positive advertising for the artist, movie, etc. and
encouraged. Cracking down on devoted fans who aren't causing any harm
or taking any money from the franchise just causes ill will all around.
I have a fan site for my favorite singer, and was actually asked to
create and run his official site for him. It has now been taken over by
a professional web designer, but it was a real privilege to be
appreciated for what I had done.
I've also seen the person who ran the official site of another favorite
singer of mine shut down fan sites, as well as ban fans who posted on
the site forum respectful but honest opinions about concerns they had
about how things were being run, and the animosity it created was just
horrendous. The sad thing is, I've met this singer several times, and
he is one of the warmest, most fan-appreciative performers you can
imagine, which makes it frustrating that someone working for him was
alienating his fans like that.
Diva
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vince garcia
thanks for the note--i was unaware that they had released it.
But since they did release it, I think it's arguable whether you could
or could not use them in, say, a commercial publication. I think the
point can legally be made that their restrictions are based in NOT
SELLING the font as merchandise, rather than using it IN a commercial
product, but the law can be tricky.
Mrs. Dud
<vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>But since they did release it, I think it's arguable whether you could
>or could not use them in, say, a commercial publication. I think the
>point can legally be made that their restrictions are based in NOT
>SELLING the font as merchandise, rather than using it IN a commercial
>product, but the law can be tricky.
The liscense specifically states non-commercial use only.
That means if money changes hands in any capaacity it can't
be used.
So if you're charging $1 at the door for you're party that is
commecial use and prohibited under the liscense.
I don't make the laws, I just abide by them in order to
stay out of the slammer. So address complaints to your
congress person, Paramount, and other elected officlals.
vince garcia
>
> On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 06:05:03 -0700, vince garcia
> <vggar...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
> >But since they did release it, I think it's arguable whether you could
> >or could not use them in, say, a commercial publication. I think the
> >point can legally be made that their restrictions are based in NOT
> >SELLING the font as merchandise, rather than using it IN a commercial
> >product, but the law can be tricky.
>
> The liscense specifically states non-commercial use only.
>
> That means if money changes hands in any capaacity it can't
> be used.
This is incorrect. I was, and am, in the publishing business. On an
issue like this, the font would be usable. Now you can always argue any
point, correct or incorrect in court if you wish, but I had to deal with
this issue on fonts specifically in years past over some books I
published, and the general legal consensus--although, as I say, someone
can always sue and claim otherwise IF THEY HAVE A REASON OR AGENDA
TO--is that a legally purchased font may be used in a commercial
product, and that would be considered "fair use". What you CAN'T do is
buy the font, bundle it in a form for sale, and then sell the font
without a license.
>
> So if you're charging $1 at the door for you're party that is
> commecial use and prohibited under the liscense.
>
> I don't make the laws, I just abide by them in order to
> stay out of the slammer.
You're also not a lawyer, and not qualified to comment authoritatively
on copyright and trademark law. I'm not either, but I have had to work
with both sets of laws, and have had legal advice in the process by
lawyers who ARE experts in the field, and the opinion of my
copyright/trademark attorneys is that your position on this is wrong.
(unless the laws have somehow changed since the 1990s)
CountFloyd
CountFloyd
old fonts on disk. I remember getting the Adobe Font/Type Set on disk
with OS/2, it was licensed by IBM for OS/2 usage.
CountFloyd
LCARS computer screens from Next Generation and the ST moives fares?
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