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statue of liberty and baseball hall of fame to foreigners.
I just could never see the U.S. Goverment ever selling the statue no
matter how bad things were. Could you imagine the uproar!
sch...@tracoris.com
George Avalos <g...@cctimes.com> wrote:
> Something unusual is happening this week. There's a new 'Dark Angel'
> episode!
>
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>
> 'Art Attack' (2-6-01)
>
2.5
1. It seemed silly that Max couldn't find a way to change clothes.
2. Why wasn't Max's first priority to get Normal away from the killer?
3. Logan's attempt to frame the killer at the end seemed like it would
cause trouble.
- the police grab the killer at the airport
- they tie the killer to victim through the gun
- they find that the victim and his partner are black market art
dealers
- they find that the partner used Jam Pony to deliver a package to the
killer the day of the murder
- they find that Normal and Cindy were there when the victim went out
the window
- they find that there is no mention of the gun, at all.
- either the killer goes free because they can't show that killer shot
the victim or they check the body again and find that he was shot after
he was dead. Then killer is convicted for throwing the guy out the
window but Logan gets in trouble for shooting the body. Very sloppy.
Ernie
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> 'Art Attack' (2-6-01)
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3.75. It gets points for a Jam Pony plot that wasn't grating, with lots of
Normal and OC [whom I like] and little of Sketchy and Herbal [whom I
loathe]. I also liked Max playing superhero in a formal, as contrived as it
was, and the creepiness of Logan calmly shooting the dead guy in the head to
set up the killer. Finally, loved the scene at the end with Logan hitting
his foot.
It loses points for not enough Kendra and I'm really beginning to miss
Lydecker. Also, that final scene would have had a lot more impact if it
weren't for those frickin' FOX ads showing Logan getting up from his
wheelchair. Bastards.
On a tangent, when Logan said something to Max about his ex-fiancee [Chloe?]
being a terrific artist, did anyone else think she was going to turn out to
be part of the art scam, perhaps the maker of the forgery?
Moon
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Ian J. Ball
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3.75
The Jam Pony angle actually worked, for once (though Stucky or Sketchy or
whatever the Hell his name is! still has gotta go).
Also, I like episodes that put character development at the top of the
list, and this episode did that.
And the final scene with Logan was great.
However, Kendra is still an afterthought (what *is* her function on this
show?!). And the plot of this epie looked like it was following a rigid
formula (i.e. Max goes to wedding & reception; Max must leave party to
complete Task A; Max returns to reception; Max must leave again to
complete Task B; Max returns to reception again; Max leaves again to
complete Task C; Rinse. Repeat.)
So, I like the character stuff. But this show still needs to do more on
the plot end.
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As IF!
But, next week looks good...
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Oh, I don't know. We've got so many immigrants down here I'm ready to
pack it up and send it back to france...
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David B.
>
> Something unusual is happening this week. There's a new 'Dark Angel'
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>
> 5 stars -- that's as good as it gets. It's Emmy quality.
>
> 0 or 1 star -- This is being the third runner up in the regional
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>
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3.5 (an extra half star for Max's dress).
Nuke 2K1
g...@cctimes.com (George Avalos) wrote:
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Solid 4.0, the B plot wasn't a total waste this time. Preview of next
week's episode has me worried though.
SueD...@earthlink.net
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4. Max in a killer dress for most of the show, several story lines that
seemed to mesh well together not the least of which was the first Jam
Pony ep arc that I liked.
William December Starr
"Ian J. Ball" <iball***SPAM-No***@socal.rr.com> said:
> The Jam Pony angle actually worked, for once (though Stucky or Sketchy
> or whatever the Hell his name is! still has gotta go).
Which is too bad, really, because I like the actor and I can see him
doing everything he can with the role... but yeah, it's just a bad
character.
Me, I give it a 4, mostly because Normal got to be himself for some much
screen time. Some things just can't be explained; I love that character.
[ *snip* ]
> However, Kendra is still an afterthought (what *is* her function on
> this show?!).
Employment for Jennifer Blanc, apparently.
-- William December Starr <wds...@panix.com>
William December Starr
sch...@tracoris.com said:
> - either the killer goes free because they can't show that killer shot
> the victim or they check the body again and find that he was shot
> after he was dead. Then killer is convicted for throwing the guy out
> the window but Logan gets in trouble for shooting the body. Very
> sloppy.
That's all assuming that the criminal justice system under the Military
Command of the State of Washington in 2019 (a) works the way ours does
and (b) isn't hopelessly lazy, corrupt or incompetent ("Well yeah, there
are a few discrepancies but, ah screw it -- he looks guilty, let's send
him away"). Under the circumstances, I'm not sure those assumptions can
be made.
XFDragon1
>> the victim or they check the body again and find that he was shot
>> after he was dead. Then killer is convicted for throwing the guy out
>> the window but Logan gets in trouble for shooting the body. Very
>> sloppy.
ah, but don't forget the forensic examiner was standing beside Logan as he shot
the dead man - she was writing in that he died from a gunshot wound instead of
unknown causes (like falling outta window)...
given the attitude the military is showing, I doubt they'd put up with any sort
of legal defense that insisted that their system was corrupt enough to have
someone change existing evidence...
Eyes Only does have good friends in high places... and a ME who can change
autopsy reports is quite valuable.. hmm?
Fluff the Dragon
George Avalos
How about that dress? Well, there was a little more to this episode than
Max's formal wear, although it was obvious that having her sport those
duds was most of the point of 'Art Attack.'
But guess what? This was a pretty decent little character study. And for
the first time this season, Jam Pony was actually used in a way that was
integral to the main plot, rather than just a bunch of slapstick, silly,
moronic comic relief.
Oddly, the comic relief was left to Max and Logan themselves, for a
change. And primarily because of Weatherly -- and to a lesser extent,
Alba -- the comic touches worked in an odd, offbeat and understated way.
The way they interacted with the upper crust folks at the wedding was
very interesting.
Plus, 'Art Attack,' while almost entirely a stand-alone episode, managed
to advance the arc in some important ways. We found out just how
devastating the depression has been to the United States. Even during
the Great Depression of the previous century (how odd to say that and
have it be correctx!), we didn't pack up the Statue of Liberty and ship
it overseas to raise cash. And the baseball Hall of Fame in Japan?
Blasphemy.
Plus ... Logan feeling some pain?!?!?!
And the relationship between Max and Logan also got nudged forward a
bit. The pacing of this is the one thing during the first, rocky, season
that has been handled consistently well.
The main deductions ... Max getting caught whenever she's sneaking into
the bad guy's lair is totally predictable right now. Not only that it's
going to happen, but even when the moment of discovery is going to
occur. Max may as well not bother with black clothing ... she's going to
get caught no matter what.
The pacing seemed sluggish at times.
Oh yes. No more New & Unimproved Cindy. PLEASE!
Overall ... pretty good.
4.0
XFDragon1
sidestory, but not THE story - tho I still don't know why Normal doesn't fire
the lot of them - man, if I knew that the couriers I were using were that
irresponsible with my package, I'd be switching in a jiffy...
plot - good, even the extended version of "we MUST save the painting from
leaving the country!" - interesting here, that Max went along with Logan purely
on an emotional level, since she obviously doesn't have the same attachment to
such artifacts as he does - she's mellowing, and it's doing her good...
tho you gotta feel for Logan... dumped 'cause his fiancee decided she'd rather
not play stick...
sigh..
;-)
Fluff the Dragon
David Silberstein
George Avalos <g...@cctimes.com> wrote:
>In article <95qa3p$b6k$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> George Avalos <g...@cctimes.com> wrote:
I've given up on Dark Angel. I find it teeth-grindingly annoying.
But this reminded me of something...
>Plus, 'Art Attack,' while almost entirely a stand-alone episode, managed
>to advance the arc in some important ways. We found out just how
>devastating the depression has been to the United States. Even during
>the Great Depression of the previous century (how odd to say that and
>have it be correctx!), we didn't pack up the Statue of Liberty and ship
>it overseas to raise cash. And the baseball Hall of Fame in Japan?
>Blasphemy.
Thre is a *wonderful* short story I read many years ago, by Norman
Spinrad, called "A Thing of Beauty", first published in Analog SF.
(It was nominated for the Nebula, and is in the following collections:
http://www.sfsite.com/isfdb-bin/pwork.cgi?7c46dai )
It also involves selling off most of New York's large structures to
the highest bidder (I definitely remember that Yankee Stadium was
among the ones being shown off to a Japanese businessman who was
also a baseball fan).
I don't remember if the Statue of Liberty was also for sale (I think
it was - or was that the Empire State Building?), but the businessman
didn't buy that or the stadium.
I won't spoil the ending by saying what he did buy, but damn, the
ending especially was *perfect*. I'll have to dig that one up,
and I urge y'all to look for it.
The thing of it is, this story took place in the far future. I think
most of humanity had emigrated offworld, and there really were very
few people *left* who cared about any of the structures described.
Also, they had gravity-control devices which made moving big things
easier (and don't tell me those police Spyeyes use antigrav, 'cause
I won't believe it).
Which is one of the many things I hate about Dark Angel: The
extrapolation and backstory suck (as do the stories themselves,
and the dialog, and the acting, and ...). Twenty years from now
(or less) is *far* too soon to be selling off national treasures,
even as a desperate measure.
--
David S
"Nor are stuff and work unakin. Rather, they are groundwise the same, and
one can be shifted into the other. The kinship between them is that work
is like unto weight manifolded by the fourside of the haste of light."
-- Poul Anderson, "Uncleftish Beholding"
David Johnston
Where's London Bridge?
William George Ferguson
rgo...@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) wrote:
>Where's London Bridge?
A roman causeway span, which technically was indeed called at one
point 'the London Bridge', is currently in Lake Havasu Arizona. The
Tower Bridge, which is what everyone around the world thinks of when
you say 'London Bridge', still spans the Thames River in London.
It's sort of like selling the selling the Bay Bridge, calling it the
'San Francisco Bridge'. The Bay Bridge certainly is (at one end
anyway) in San Francisco, but it isn't the bridge you think of in
conjunction with San Francisco.
Iain Odlin
wrote:
>That's all assuming that the criminal justice system under the Military
>Command of the State of Washington in 2019 (a) works the way ours does
>and (b) isn't hopelessly lazy, corrupt or incompetent ("Well yeah, there
>are a few discrepancies but, ah screw it -- he looks guilty, let's send
>him away"). Under the circumstances, I'm not sure those assumptions can
>be made.
One assumption this episode made, though, that really cannot be covered
under "willing suspension of disbelief" was Normal's release.
Lets see... I've got a hostage who has seen me (a) throw a guy out a
window, (b) take possession of a stolen painting, and (c) has associates
who know where I live. But I'm such a nice guy, I let him go?!?
To quote Max: "Whatever."
This show had better start getting decent soon. It irritates me that I can
see such wasted potential here.
-Iain
David Johnston
>On 9 Feb 2001 07:23:14 -0500, wds...@panix.com (William December Starr)
>wrote:
>
>>That's all assuming that the criminal justice system under the Military
>>Command of the State of Washington in 2019 (a) works the way ours does
>>and (b) isn't hopelessly lazy, corrupt or incompetent ("Well yeah, there
>>are a few discrepancies but, ah screw it -- he looks guilty, let's send
>>him away"). Under the circumstances, I'm not sure those assumptions can
>>be made.
>
> One assumption this episode made, though, that really cannot be covered
> under "willing suspension of disbelief" was Normal's release.
>
> Lets see... I've got a hostage who has seen me (a) throw a guy out a
> window, (b) take possession of a stolen painting, and (c) has associates
> who know where I live. But I'm such a nice guy, I let him go?!?
"c" is false. They had no idea where he lived.
Iain Odlin
wrote:
>> Lets see... I've got a hostage who has seen me (a) throw a guy out a
>> window, (b) take possession of a stolen painting, and (c) has associates
>> who know where I live. But I'm such a nice guy, I let him go?!?
>
>"c" is false. They had no idea where he lived.
That would, of course, explain how Cindy and Max both were able to drive
there...
-Iain
David Johnston
That wasn't where he lived. That was where his victim lived.
Stephen
>>On Wed, 07 Feb 2001 13:14:09 GMT, ar...@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>>>The thing I thought was hoakey was Logan's comment that they sold the
>>>statue of liberty and baseball hall of fame to foreigners.
>>>I just could never see the U.S. Goverment ever selling the statue no
>>>matter how bad things were. Could you imagine the uproar!
>
>rgo...@telusplanet.net (David Johnston) wrote:
>>Where's London Bridge?
>
>A roman causeway span, which technically was indeed called at one
>point 'the London Bridge', is currently in Lake Havasu Arizona. The
>Tower Bridge, which is what everyone around the world thinks of when
>you say 'London Bridge', still spans the Thames River in London.
Eh? The London Bridge in Arizona was built in the early 19th Century,
and needed to be replaced in the 1960s when it became clear that it
was sinking into the river bed. The first London Bridge was the Roman
bridge built in 43AD of which remains have been found on one of the
river banks. The best known bridge was the one started in 1176 and
completed around 30 years later. This had houses built on it (the
rents from the houses helped defray the costs of construction) and
this lasted until the 19th Century, by when traffic levels made it
unviable. When the 19th Century Bridge was removed it was replaced by
a new and equally unremarkable structure.
Tower Bridge may be better known to tourists, but is never called
London Bridge.
Now, if you wanted to buy the Millennium Dome...
--
Stephen
"That very night in Max's room a forest grew..."
Maurice Sendak
Jason Seaver
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2.5; probably about as good as Dark Angel can get.
Captain Average
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> Something unusual is happening this week. There's a new 'Dark Angel'
> episode!
>
> And that means it's time to vote. Time to let the gathered Usenet
> denizens know what you think of this week's DA episode:
>
> 'Art Attack' (2-6-01)
>
>
> 0 or 1 star -- This is being the third runner up in the regional
> competition to be considered for a lifetime achievement award.
>
> So vote! Participate! And don't peek until you've voted.
"Art Attack" was a good an argument as we've seen so far for the excision of
the Jam Pony crew from the show.
I didn't feel any real tension anywhere in the ep (not even between Logan
and his Uncle, and certainly not between OC and Logan's ex-fiancee - not
even of the sexual variety!).
The whole ep was painfully predictable. "Defenestration," indeed! (At
least they got *that* part right!)
The best part of the ep? Max and Logan were both right about the other
cleaning up really well.
Overall, this ep was a giant step backwards.
2.0