Charmed~Who to believe~STARS -or- MEDIA ?
RTJoby
article in Soap Opera Weekly that there was tension going on between Shannen
and Alyssa, the majority of the people in this newsgroup were stunned, shocked
and in total complete disbelief. There were only a few who believed it right
off the bat. There were some who reported how they knew for a fact that
Shannen & Alyssa were best friends and that they had already started filming
the 4th season (way back in March), therefore the information I read was
totally & completely incorrect. My first thought was that if the information
is true then just wait about 2 months and all the stories would eventually
surface. Sure enough, come May, "the sh*itteth hit the faneth." At first fans
were still in disbelief saying they would not believe the stories until the
words actually came from the star's mouths. They had poured so much belief in
their fanship of the stars and the character's relationships that they saw on
TV that could not allow themselves to think anything negative about them.
Because their characters seemed so close on TV they bought into the realism
that the actresses must also be that close in real life. All part of the fake
tinsel in Hollywood where nothing is ever what it appears to be. More and
more, the media were picking up more stories from various sources on the
tension and feuding going on the set of Charmed between Milano & Doherty. But
the more and more that got reported, the more that got denied by not only the
actresses of Charmed but the producers as well. Everyone condemns the media
and the press for lying saying things like, "I only believe it's true when I
actually hear it from the star's mouth." But can it even be believed then?
Let's examine what the fans of Charmed experienced:
~~THE MEDIA:
.....reported months ago that there was severe tension going on between Doherty
& Milano on the set of Charmed and that Milano asked the producers to be let
out of her contract at the end of the season because she could not work with
Doherty anymore.
~~THE STARS
.....of Charmed denied any such goings on saying that it was merely rumors
being started. When point-blankly asked by fans as to whether Milano would be
quitting, went on to say that someone would be leaving at the end of the season
but denied that it was one of the 3 TV sisters.
~~THE PRODUCER
.....while the producer stated that he had not heard of any tension going on
between the two actresses twisting in to his denial that the 2 actresses were
professionals and did not have to get along to work together.
~~FACTS currently being reported now that it is all over with:
...that Shannen was the one (not Milano) who went to producers last December
saying that she was tired of the feuds with her co-star and asked to be let out
of her contract. Producers asked Doherty if she could finish the season out
allowing her to direct the last episode of the season. To assure, Shannen's
stay, producer's immediately hired a mediator in January when production began
for the 2nd half of the 3rd season to work with Milano & Doherty. However,
that did not seem to help matters resulting in Milano saying that if Shannen
did actually return in the 4th season, Milano would not be. Not knowing which
one of the actresses, if any, would be returning the next season, producers had
the 3rd season's cliff hanger end where it could be either one----or both.
So the end results show that the media was right about the on-the-set stories
all along and that the stars & producers did such a good job at covering up the
truth from fans in denying that any tension was going on between the 2
actresses, that the beginning of the story (that it was actually Doherty who
first asked to be let out of the show) never even surfaced in the media until
after it was all over with.
So that leaves fans with the question:
Who do the fans believe?
THE MEDIA? (Who have paid sources reveal information to them on a regular
basis.)
~or~
THE STARS & PRODUCERS? (Who sometimes lie in order to keep things looking
good.)
While there is no real answer, all fans can do is trust their instincts. If
they are true fans of celebrities, the stories will not matter to them.
In most cases, "The sh*tteth will hit the faneth," eventually.
David Johnston
>
> Last March, when I first came to this newsgroup reporting how I had read an
> article in Soap Opera Weekly that there was tension going on between Shannen
> and Alyssa, the majority of the people in this newsgroup were stunned, shocked
> and in total complete disbelief.
Really? I bet there were a large number who weren't surprised at all, and
therefore didn't respond.
PJ Browning
that was going around. Shannen admitted that she spoke to the producers
back in December about her desire to leave. They of course were going to
keep it mum cause they were trying to change her mind. And the source of
the tension could be that the other girls knew that Shannen was
planning to leave and they were walking on egg shells trying to do their
part to keep her happy so she wouldn't. That would make things hard on
everyone. And it makes folks edgy and quick tempered, and that's makes
things worse
And I can see where Alyssa might start in with the 'what do you care,
you're bolting at the end of the season' tude if things got really
crazy. which of course is human and all that, but not good when you want
someone to stick around.
PJ Browning
also there is the issue that in some cases Soap Opera Weekly isn't any
better than a tabloid.
they reported that a girl from one of the soaps was going to guest star
in the second half of the season for Roswell as one Maggie Whitman,
sister to Alex Whitman. but it wasn't true. According to my sources on
the show, Maggie was never more than a brief thought in a brainstorming
meeting. and she never made it out of that meeting.
Ian J. Ball
wrote:
>David Johnston wrote:
>>
>> RTJoby wrote:
>> >
>> > Last March, when I first came to this newsgroup reporting how I had read an
>> > article in Soap Opera Weekly that there was tension going on between Shannen
>> > and Alyssa, the majority of the people in this newsgroup were stunned, shocked
>> > and in total complete disbelief.
>>
>> Really? I bet there were a large number who weren't surprised at all, and
>> therefore didn't respond.
>
>also there is the issue that in some cases Soap Opera Weekly isn't any
>better than a tabloid.
>
>they reported that a girl from one of the soaps was going to guest star
>in the second half of the season for Roswell as one Maggie Whitman,
>sister to Alex Whitman. but it wasn't true.
May I ask which soap actress was supoosedly going to get this gig?
Just curious...
Ian J. Ball
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PJ Browning
>
> May I ask which soap actress was supoosedly going to get this gig?
> Just curious...
I can't remember her exact name. but I think it was Rebecca something
and that she was on General Hospital.
and when the article was released they (being SOW) said that it was a
done deal, not that it was a rumor.
Tara O.
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>
> So that leaves fans with the question:
> Who do the fans believe?
> THE MEDIA? (Who have paid sources reveal information to them on a regular
> basis.)
> ~or~
> THE STARS & PRODUCERS? (Who sometimes lie in order to keep things looking
> good.)
I *try* to make it policy to not believe anything until an official press
release. Because both the tabloids and the show's employees (producer,
stars, etc.) can and will lie. The only difference I see between the two
sides & their lying is motivation. The members of the show aren't going to
speak out against the show or cause the show bad publicity. The tabloids
always needs stories to fill their papers and will take a rumor and print a
full-page cover story based on that rumor and embellishing it.
I'm all for speculation, it gives some of us something to think about & be
creative in our conclusions. I don't think though that anything should be
taken as gospel until the person or show in question officially affirms or
denies the story.
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PJ Browning
> I *try* to make it policy to not believe anything until an official press
> release. Because both the tabloids and the show's employees (producer,
> stars, etc.) can and will lie.
Of course, official releases will "spin" issues at times.
For example, the official story about Colin Hanks leaving Roswell was
that the show's producers felt that it was in his best interest, given
the sitch with his mother and his growing movie status. It almost
implied that Colin knew about it and was cool with it.
But the truth, which even Jason Katims admitted to, is that the writers
weren't able to develop Alex into a character that they were satisfied
with (I don't think that they ever meant for him to be such a major
character etc). And given THAT and Colin's movie sitch, they decided to
write the character out. Colin didn't know about the plan until he got
the scripts. But the development was more for dramatic purposes than for
Colin's sake.
Tara O.
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> "Tara O." wrote:
>
> > I *try* to make it policy to not believe anything until an official
press
> > release. Because both the tabloids and the show's employees (producer,
> > stars, etc.) can and will lie.
>
> Of course, official releases will "spin" issues at times.
True. I just mean that I'm not one to leap on every news article I read.
When its official (even if its a 'spin') that's really all we can believe.
When we find out later that even the official release was a lie, well then I
think we need to conclude that we can't believe anything we're told.
> For example, the official story about Colin Hanks leaving Roswell was
> that the show's producers felt that it was in his best interest, given
> the sitch with his mother and his growing movie status. It almost
> implied that Colin knew about it and was cool with it.
> But the truth, which even Jason Katims admitted to, is that the writers
> weren't able to develop Alex into a character that they were satisfied
> with (I don't think that they ever meant for him to be such a major
> character etc). And given THAT and Colin's movie sitch, they decided to
> write the character out. Colin didn't know about the plan until he got
> the scripts. But the development was more for dramatic purposes than for
> Colin's sake.
I'm still mad over that. I can think of many things to have done with Alex,
I just don't think they wanted him to go anywhere. I miss his character on
Roswell and think the loss is greater than what JK and the writers had
banked on.
Ian J. Ball
wrote:
>"Ian J. Ball" wrote:
>
>> May I ask which soap actress was supoosedly going to get this gig?
>> Just curious...
>
>I can't remember her exact name. but I think it was Rebecca something
>and that she was on General Hospital.
I'm guessing that would be Rebecca Herbst, who play Liz Weber.
>and when the article was released they (being SOW) said that it was a
>done deal, not that it was a rumor.
Interesting...
PJ Browning
>
> I'm still mad over that. I can think of many things to have done with Alex,
> I just don't think they wanted him to go anywhere. I miss his character on
> Roswell and think the loss is greater than what JK and the writers had
> banked on.
>
oh I think they know. and I think they planned it like that. cause the
grief etc over losing Alex is more dramatic than a happy ending. what
I'm pissed about is that they did such a wretched job with setting up
Tess as the big baddie.
David Milligan
hunk to be paired up with Katherine Heigl.
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PJ Browning
>
> I personally think that TPTB didn't think Alex wasn't enough of a romantic
> hunk to be paired up with Katherine Heigl.
A hunk isn't what Isabel needed. if it was, she could have picked any
guy on the football or basketball team. what she needed was a sweet guy
that would stand by when the fit hit the shan. Michael and Max are
enough hunk and hunkesque for the show. problem is that having a sweet
guy gives no conflict. not like the Max/Liz/Tess thing or Michael and
Maria's constant on again/off again. it actually would have been a good
thing to have one normal and stable couple on the show. but the PTBs
didn't like that idea.
RTJoby
You are forgetting that the reason that Shannen asked to be let out way back in
December was because she was already in spats with Alyssa, as she so
says---->tired of hearing Alyssa "bitching" of how she hates her job and hates
coming to work all the time.
Note: Shannen's version, of course.
When in fact, Alyssa, the so called person who (~according to Shannen~) hates
her job----IS STILL THE ONE WHO ACTUALLY THERE still working on the job!
And Shannen is now the one "bitching" about hating being on the show she says
is made for 12 year olds.
Nobody has heard Alyssa's version of the story yet---but I would think that
Alyssa wasn't the only one who was complaining about their job back then.
Shannen just wasn't bright enough to figure out what was actually being
implied. And if I was her---I wouldn't exactly go around telling the world
that Alyssa or anyone was making that complaint.
PJ Browning
> You are forgetting that the reason that Shannen asked to be let out way back in
> December was because she was already in spats with Alyssa, as she so
> says---->tired of hearing Alyssa "bitching" of how she hates her job and hates
> coming to work all the time.
I'm curious, what authoritative source did you get that from. Cause when
Shannen had her public interview she didn't name names. Sure one could
assume that she meant Alyssa, but for all we know it was actually
someone else and everyone was putting Alyssa's name in there cause of
all the talk and the rumors.
and if Alyssa hated the job so much, why is she still there. It's a
question worth asking.
RTJoby
>Shannen had her public interview she didn't name names. Sure one could
>assume that she meant Alyssa, but for all we know it was actually
>someone else and everyone was putting Alyssa's name in there cause of
>all the talk and the rumors. >
Sounds like you are in denial.
>and if Alyssa hated the job so much, why is she still there. It's a
>question worth asking. <
Alyssa did not hate the job. She only hated what was going on between her &
Shannen and wanted out of that situation. Who wouldn't? Now that Shannen is
only a figment of Charmed's past, Alyssa can now work in a more pleasant
atmosphere. The one she deserves.
Ian J. Ball
PJ Browning <alien...@email.com> wrote:
> RTJoby wrote:
>
> > You are forgetting that the reason that Shannen asked to be let out way
> > back in December was because she was already in spats with Alyssa, as
> > she so says---->tired of hearing Alyssa "bitching" of how she hates
> > her job and hates coming to work all the time.
>
> I'm curious, what authoritative source did you get that from. Cause when
> Shannen had her public interview she didn't name names. Sure one could
> assume that she meant Alyssa, but for all we know it was actually
> someone else and everyone was putting Alyssa's name in there cause of
> all the talk and the rumors...
FWIW, from Doherty's history, it was quite possible that she was feuding
with Alyssa Milano *AND* members of the production and crew...
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David Johnston
At a guess, she's still there because Shannen blinked first.
PJ Browning
>
> >and if Alyssa hated the job so much, why is she still there. It's a
> >question worth asking. <
>
> Alyssa did not hate the job. She only hated what was going on between her &
> Shannen and wanted out of that situation.
I'm sorry, I didn't realize that you and Alyssa are in bed together and
she tells you all her thoughts and feelings.
The fact is if Alyssa was the one that wanted out, then why didn't she
go. They could have very easily written it so that the Source told them
that they could never see Alyssa again.
And since Shannen has never flat out said "Alyssa Milano is a total damm
bitch and she made my life miserable and I refuse to work with her
anymore", all statements to that effect are still rumors. And if you
have some iron clad, authorizative source you better be willing to spill
it. Cause for all we know, it was a member of the production staff she
had a problem with. Or one of several people.
ZepHead
wrote:
>
> And since Shannen has never flat out said "Alyssa Milano is a total damm
> bitch and she made my life miserable and I refuse to work with her
> anymore", all statements to that effect are still rumors. And if you
> have some iron clad, authorizative source you better be willing to spill
> it. Cause for all we know, it was a member of the production staff she
> had a problem with. Or one of several people.
I feel that the truth is always somewhere in the middle
and/or gets blown way out of proportion.
I also feel that since AM and SD can always get work that
everything has to go a little too perfect or they will bail.
It is a shame too since look what has happened to a main
character.
RTJoby
>she tells you all her thoughts and feelings. >
If you think my rebuttal is that you must be bedding Shannen for you to know so
much about her, in your dreams pal.
Judging from all we've seen the last 10 years, I don't think you'd stand a
chance.
>The fact is if Alyssa was the one that wanted out, then why didn't she
>go. They could have very easily written it so that the Source told them
>that they could never see Alyssa again. >
Uhhh, probably because she didn't really want to go.
Are you brain dead?
>And since Shannen has never flat out said "Alyssa Milano is a total damm
>bitch and she made my life miserable and I refuse to work with her
>anymore", all statements to that effect are still rumors. >>
Again with the brain dead.
< And if you
>have some iron clad, authorizative source you better be willing to spill
>it. Cause for all we know, it was a member of the production staff she
>had a problem with. Or one of several people. >>
Or more than likely knowing Shannen-----ALL !!!
I wonder how many people on the set were thinking on that last day of filming,
"Good ridenence, b*tch !"
PJ Browning
>
> >The fact is if Alyssa was the one that wanted out, then why didn't she
> >go. They could have very easily written it so that the Source told them
> >that they could never see Alyssa again. >
>
> Uhhh, probably because she didn't really want to go.
> Are you brain dead?
to quote an earlier statement of yours:
"You are forgetting that the reason that Shannen asked to be let out way
back in
December was because she was already in spats with Alyssa, as she so
says---->tired of hearing Alyssa "bitching" of how she hates her job and hates
coming to work all the time."
so you say that the reason why Shannen left is cause she says that she
was sick of hearing ALYSSA BITCH ABOUT HOW SHE HATED WORKING ON THE SHOW
to wit I replied If that was true (that Alyssa hated the job) then why
is she still there.
as for all your damm trolling 'brain dead' comments. I don't claim to
have the absolute undenialable truth (like you claim to). Therefore
until I hear Shannen say that it was Alyssa that she was referring to, I
will keep an open mind about the idea that it could have been the
writers, the crew, the producers, Alyssa, some other member(s) of the
cast or a combination thereof.