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Shorty

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May 24, 2003, 10:41:58 PM5/24/03
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One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.
Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the hellmouth are over
but how has that lessened who or what she is.

It was established in season 5 that the very nature of Buffy's powers
drives her to do what she does. Her power is rooted in darkness and
she is a hunter. Buffy is driven to seek out and slay the demons
around her. She can feel their presence and knows when something is
amiss. She is driven to protect the innocent from what they cannot
defend against themselves.

Not only is Buffy's very nature affected by her Slayer status, but her
own morals would seem to compel her to continue her battle. Buffy is
if anything a champion. She was a "champion" long before the word got
batted around on Angel like a ping-pong ball. In 7 years of her
chronicles she has shown herself to be a paragon of good. Buffy
believes in the protection of human life above all things. She has
slain her lover, fought her friends, and even faced guaranteed death
to protect those around her.

So with those observations I don't see how Buffy's life can be any
less violent than it has been. She is compelled to hunt demons and
they will be hunting her as well. She is no longer forced to stay
immobile in the town of Sunnydale, but the lack of a Hellmouth to
guard has not prevented the hundreds of Slayers who came before her
from dying a brutal and violent death. There might be 50 slayers in
the world now but how can an individual like Buffy choose to ignore
what she knows is going on around her right beneath the bright surface
of the world the rest of us see? She can no more give up her violent
destiny than she can stop breathing. It makes me sad to think of it
that way, but hey at least there might be a movie or multiple guest
spots because of it.


Shorty

Carmikl

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May 24, 2003, 11:00:40 PM5/24/03
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Shorty wrote:
>
> One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
> is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.
> Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the hellmouth are over
> but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>
The bad news is she needs a job and a place to live. The good news is
she won't be supporting Spike for the rest of her life. Still, she might
be supporting Willow for a while yet. Willow's the one adult Scoobie
that's never held a job.

Fenster

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May 24, 2003, 11:14:21 PM5/24/03
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On 24 May 2003, Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> went to the
cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:

> One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how
> Buffy is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal
> person. Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the
> hellmouth are over but how has that lessened who or what she is.

It's all relative... a normal live to a Buffy and the other Scoobs
may not mean a 9-5 job; however, the responsibility of being The
Chosen one has been greatly lessened now that Buffy has an army of
Slayers. I got the impression that there would be work to do to find
and properly train them, so Buffy et al still have a purpose. But
with the emergence of the Slayer army, Buffy can now take a vacation
now and then (though she did take a Summer off between S1 & S2).

Morpheus

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May 25, 2003, 12:00:57 AM5/25/03
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"Carmikl" <Car...@rcn.com> wrote in message
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I doubt that the most powerful witch in the Western hemisphere will ever be
hard up for cash.


Dan Armato

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May 25, 2003, 12:47:36 AM5/25/03
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Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<tp80dvge3pg2bovrp...@4ax.com>...

> One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
> is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.

A nice administrative position has its advantages or maybe she can be
a peer counselor to the slayers? I think that would be the perfect job
for her, in some sort of (good) Counsel of Watchers.

Also, I've always thought she would make a fine tennis player. She
looks great in a short skirt plus, mach 1
serves............whooooooooosh....boom.......game, set, match,
championship Buffy Summers!

Carmikl

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May 25, 2003, 1:01:48 AM5/25/03
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Selling services certainly. You'd think Buffy would be able to market
her special skills too rather than flipping burgers. It would be
difficult for Willow to actually create cash without either stealing or
counterfeiting. Any existing cash would belong to someone. Any new cash
would be bogus and carry either duplicate or unissued serial numbers.

Lily

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May 25, 2003, 1:17:56 AM5/25/03
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>
> Selling services certainly. You'd think Buffy would be able to market
> her special skills too rather than flipping burgers. It would be
> difficult for Willow to actually create cash without either stealing or
> counterfeiting. Any existing cash would belong to someone. Any new cash
> would be bogus and carry either duplicate or unissued serial numbers.

maybe she can make things that are worth something
um....alchemey?
diamonds...
hmm

Lily


Lily

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May 25, 2003, 1:18:42 AM5/25/03
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"Fenster" <r84g...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Especially since the Watcher's council got demolished..
Do slayers need watchers?
they do at least need trainers..

Lily


AJ Denny

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May 25, 2003, 5:48:27 AM5/25/03
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You know a girl is a Slayer if she can beat the William's sisters.


Chris Zabel

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May 25, 2003, 9:16:30 AM5/25/03
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I agree that this idea of Buffy leading a normal life has always been a sham
for the most part, at least in the context of the series. Even if she lost
her powers tomorrow, she would still have a boatload of friends and family
that are anything but normal and enemies that might like to know she's
powerless. And as long as she does have her powers, in the end when the
world really needs a powerful experienced slayer, who are they going to call
first? Buffy. It's a theme that doesn't really ring true.


Luna

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May 25, 2003, 9:56:50 AM5/25/03
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In article <tp80dvge3pg2bovrp...@4ax.com>,
Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Who says Buffy ever wanted a normal life? I don't think she did. Sure,
she may have said she did, she may have tried at times to escape being the
Slayer, but she always came back to it. With any path in life there are
pluses and minuses, but the biggest minus for Buffy was being the only one
who could bear the burden (well, besides Faith) Other than that, I think
for the most part she enjoyed her Slayerness.

--
-Michelle Levin (Luna)
http://www.mindspring.com/~lunachick
http://www.mindspring.com/~designbyluna

In the beginning, there was nothing. Then it exploded.

Fenster

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May 25, 2003, 10:23:41 AM5/25/03
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On 25 May 2003, "Lily" <piarc...@yahoois.compretty> went to the

cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:

> Do slayers need watchers?


> they do at least need trainers..
>

Watchers and trainers are basically the same thing... of course the
Slayers need to be trained, otherwise it's just unfocused power.

Carmikl

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May 25, 2003, 11:02:50 AM5/25/03
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Of course, she still has to make a living. She will have to pay rent,
buy food and see to Dawn's education. Life in California outside of
Sunnydale is very expensive.

Who's gonna house and feed that Slayer Army she's training. It was never
established who was paying the bills in Sunnydale.

Shorty

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May 25, 2003, 11:42:26 AM5/25/03
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I dont know....Buffy has said many times she wished she didnt have to
carry the Slayer burden. Watch her scene with her mother at the end
of "Becoming II", Season 4 worying about her relationship with regular
men, or pretty much any of season 5.

Shorty

Shorty

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May 25, 2003, 11:43:38 AM5/25/03
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On Sun, 25 May 2003 03:14:21 GMT, Fenster <r84g...@hotmail.com>
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I figured she would probably start searching the earth for the other
Slayers to train myself. I just dont see how Buffy can now have the
'normal' life Faith eluded too or that she has sought for so long.

Shorty

Morpheus

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May 25, 2003, 12:24:08 PM5/25/03
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> >
> >Who says Buffy ever wanted a normal life? I don't think she did. Sure,
> >she may have said she did, she may have tried at times to escape being
the
> >Slayer, but she always came back to it. With any path in life there are
> >pluses and minuses, but the biggest minus for Buffy was being the only
one
> >who could bear the burden (well, besides Faith) Other than that, I think
> >for the most part she enjoyed her Slayerness.
>
> I dont know....Buffy has said many times she wished she didnt have to
> carry the Slayer burden. Watch her scene with her mother at the end
> of "Becoming II", Season 4 worying about her relationship with regular
> men, or pretty much any of season 5.
>

Of course, we also had "Helpless" where Buffy has to learn to cope with not
having her Slayer powers and being afraid to walk the streets at night.
Buffy certain seems to appreciate the perks of being a Slayer.


Fenster

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May 25, 2003, 1:01:16 PM5/25/03
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On 25 May 2003, Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> went to the

cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:

> 'normal' life Faith eluded too or that she has sought for so long

Again, it's all relative... normal for Buffy means not having to
save the world every week :)

Growltiger

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May 25, 2003, 1:30:12 PM5/25/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, notrea...@hotmail.com wrote in
article <tp80dvge3pg2bovrp...@4ax.com>...
[elided]

> batted around on Angel like a ping-pong ball. In 7 years of her
> chronicles she has shown herself to be a paragon of good. Buffy
[elided]

Buffy's accomplishments have been great, but I would hesitate at calling
her a paragon of good. For all the good that she has done, she has
committed some hideous errors because her personal flaws got the better
of good judgement.
--
Be seeing you,
Growltiger

Shorty

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May 25, 2003, 1:48:10 PM5/25/03
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On Sun, 25 May 2003 17:30:12 GMT, Growltiger <ty...@never.invalid>
wrote:

Good judgement and doing the right thing are entirely different.
Buffy is a hero. She wouldnt kill Glory when he reverted to Ben. She
would never kill Willie despite all the times he got her in trouble.
She was torn up inside by the death of the Mayors assistant. Buffy
might not have always thought clearly but she has always tried to do
what is morally right.

Shorty

Arnold Kim

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May 25, 2003, 3:49:29 PM5/25/03
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"Shorty" <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Maybe not normal, but a lot easier. Now someone else could save the world
once in a while.

Arnold Kim


Victoria

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May 25, 2003, 4:11:08 PM5/25/03
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"Chris Zabel" <alep...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<Om3Aa.15951$Io.13...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>...


There's no "theme" that she can have a normal life. She will continue
to be a slayer, the most experienced slayer, the only slayer who truly
knows what being "the slayer" means. However, with a large number of
slayers on hand, she has more of a real chance to survive for years to
come, to mature and to work out her love life. It's the best of both
worlds for her, presumably. She gets to keep her talents, she gets to
continue doing what she loves and what she does best, but she no
longer will have the whole weight of the world on her shoulders.

Victoria L.

Lily

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May 25, 2003, 6:13:21 PM5/25/03
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>
> > Do slayers need watchers?
> > they do at least need trainers..
> >
>
> Watchers and trainers are basically the same thing... of course the
> Slayers need to be trained, otherwise it's just unfocused power.

what i meant about the watcher part is that the watchers have all these
weird rules, and Buffy doesn't really like the watchers...?

Lily


Growltiger

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May 25, 2003, 7:50:49 PM5/25/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, Car...@rcn.com wrote in article
<3ED031D8...@rcn.com>...

I do not know how she will pay for it, but now is the time for Buffy to
fulfill her promise and show Dawn the world.

John Campbell Rees

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May 25, 2003, 7:54:18 PM5/25/03
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During the course of this discussion, Carmikl <Car...@rcn.com>,
in message <3ED0DB1A...@rcn.com> wrote:

> Who's gonna house and feed that Slayer Army she's training. It was never
> established who was paying the bills in Sunnydale.

There must have been contingency plans at the Council to deal with a
devastating attack that knocked out most of the Watcher Network.
Perhaps Giles is the most senior surviving Watcher and has access to the
funds. Perhaps this is the start of a new Council.

--
"Like shooting flies with a laser cannon, the aims a bit tricky, but
it certainly deals with the flies." - Lord Miles Vorkosigan.
From "Komarr" by Lois McMaster Bujold

Fenster

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May 25, 2003, 9:05:13 PM5/25/03
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On 25 May 2003, "Lily" <piarc...@yahoois.compretty> went to the
cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:

> what i meant about the watcher part is that the watchers have all


> these weird rules, and Buffy doesn't really like the watchers

That's true... no stodgy old English rules... though Giles would
still have a little of that, it would be nothing like the Watcher's
Counsel.

Growltiger

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May 25, 2003, 9:19:17 PM5/25/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, notrea...@hotmail.com wrote in
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Always is a dangerous word. Most of the time she has observed moral
rectitude. Letting Angelus live when she had the chance to dust him had
disasterous consequences.

Aethelrede

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May 25, 2003, 11:15:59 PM5/25/03
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Morpheus wrote in message ...

All this concern for characters in a TV series that is dead, finished,
over is strangely worrying.

Lots42 The Library Avenger

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May 25, 2003, 11:36:00 PM5/25/03
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>From: "Aethelrede" aethe...@worldnet.att.net

> All this concern for characters in a TV series that is dead, finished,
>over is strangely worrying.
>

Bah. I own several books that take place after the last episode of Deep Space
Nine.

'Sides, events in Buffy have affected the show 'Angel' multiple times.

Carmikl

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May 25, 2003, 11:46:07 PM5/25/03
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John Campbell Rees wrote:
>
> During the course of this discussion, Carmikl <Car...@rcn.com>,
> in message <3ED0DB1A...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > Who's gonna house and feed that Slayer Army she's training. It was never
> > established who was paying the bills in Sunnydale.
>
> There must have been contingency plans at the Council to deal with a
> devastating attack that knocked out most of the Watcher Network.
> Perhaps Giles is the most senior surviving Watcher and has access to the
> funds. Perhaps this is the start of a new Council.
>

Giles was a Watcher, an employee, not an administrator. As an employee,
it's not likely he would have access to bank accounts.

Lots42 The Library Avenger

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May 25, 2003, 11:53:09 PM5/25/03
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>From: Carmikl Car...@rcn.com

>
>Giles was a Watcher, an employee, not an administrator. As an employee,
>it's not likely he would have access to bank accounts.
>
>
>
>
>

Giles has been shown having a lot of money.

Don Sample

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May 26, 2003, 12:35:02 AM5/26/03
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But he'd have a good idea where to go looking for them, and add the
abilities of Willow the Magic Cracker and he might be able to liberate
the CoW's funds for their use.

--
Don Sample, dsa...@synapse.net
Visit the Buffy Body Count at http://homepage.mac.com/dsample/
Quando omni flunkus moritati

Lily

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May 26, 2003, 12:52:59 AM5/26/03
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>
> 'Sides, events in Buffy have affected the show 'Angel' multiple times.

ROFL...
but but..that's just a tv show too!!
hehe, but i don't care if it's tv


Lily

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May 26, 2003, 12:53:49 AM5/26/03
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>
> > what i meant about the watcher part is that the watchers have all
> > these weird rules, and Buffy doesn't really like the watchers
>
> That's true... no stodgy old English rules... though Giles would
> still have a little of that, it would be nothing like the Watcher's
> Counsel.

a little bit of stodginess is fine - gives balance
but there are still some watchers around right?
like the guy who called and told them he thought Giles was dead?

Lily


Growltiger

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May 26, 2003, 12:57:16 AM5/26/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, jw...@gardd-lelog.org.uk wrote in
article <c0a85ff...@dendarii.btinternet.com>...

> During the course of this discussion, Carmikl <Car...@rcn.com>,
> in message <3ED0DB1A...@rcn.com> wrote:
>
> > Who's gonna house and feed that Slayer Army she's training. It was never
> > established who was paying the bills in Sunnydale.
>
> There must have been contingency plans at the Council to deal with a
> devastating attack that knocked out most of the Watcher Network.
> Perhaps Giles is the most senior surviving Watcher and has access to the
> funds. Perhaps this is the start of a new Council.
>
>

The plan must not have worked well at all or, if one were subversive
about the design of the Council of Watchers, it worked too well. Sirk
managed to spirit away important and unique tomes into the libraries of
Wolfram & Hart. Who knows what else the firm has on hand. What is
more, I do not think Giles is too keen on reforming the Council after
what they did to him and Buffy.

Tony Head has indicated that he was not averse to appearing on Angel.
It will be interesting to see the reunion of Wesley and Rupert. Both
have undergone tremendous changes since last seen on screen with one
another. They were adversaries before and perhaps they will be
adversaries again over the treasures of the council.

Growltiger

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May 26, 2003, 1:01:38 AM5/26/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, aethe...@worldnet.att.net wrote
in article <PFfAa.98466$cO3.6880474@bgtnsc04-
news.ops.worldnet.att.net>...

If their [characters from Buffy the Vampire Slayer] universe was at end
then I would agree with you. The opportunity to pick up some of their
stories over on Angel means gives some hope that we have not seen the
last of all of them. But I know what you mean. I guess when you become
invested in these characters you have to find closure some way or
another.

himf

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May 26, 2003, 2:04:06 AM5/26/03
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"Lily" <piarc...@yahoois.compretty> wrote in message news:<5ebAa.981498$F1.119417@sccrnsc04>...

But she sure adopted their methods quickly enough when it suited her.
Remember her locking up the SITs in a crypt with a live vampire? Very
similar to the birthday test the Watchers put her through. Although in
this case the SITs didn't have the advantage of the years of training
and experience that Buffy had.

himf

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May 26, 2003, 2:10:32 AM5/26/03
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"Arnold Kim" <ki...@erols.com> wrote in message news:<bar6n9$p4u$1...@bob.news.rcn.net>...

Yeah right.... now she just has to track down rouge Slayers. :)

But seriously, Buffy's life will still be hell because she has not
worked out any of her emotional issues. Her problem was never being
"The Chosen One".... there are lots of other warriors for the side of
light. Her problem was she thinks she's better then everyone else
because she's "The Slayer". But then she looks at people like Giles
and Xander, people with no superpowers who risk their lives every day
fighting the same demons she does, and she can't understand why they
fight the good fight and that makes her feel crap.

Carmikl

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May 26, 2003, 7:00:41 AM5/26/03
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Dawn still needs to finish high school.

pO

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May 26, 2003, 7:37:10 AM5/26/03
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On Sun, 25 May 2003 08:02:50 -0700, Carmikl <Car...@rcn.com> wrote:

>Fenster wrote:
>>
>> On 24 May 2003, Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> went to the
>> cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:
>>

>> > One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how
>> > Buffy is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal
>> > person. Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the
>> > hellmouth are over but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>>

>> It's all relative... a normal live to a Buffy and the other Scoobs
>> may not mean a 9-5 job; however, the responsibility of being The
>> Chosen one has been greatly lessened now that Buffy has an army of
>> Slayers. I got the impression that there would be work to do to find
>> and properly train them, so Buffy et al still have a purpose. But
>> with the emergence of the Slayer army, Buffy can now take a vacation
>> now and then (though she did take a Summer off between S1 & S2).
>

>Of course, she still has to make a living. She will have to pay rent,
>buy food and see to Dawn's education. Life in California outside of
>Sunnydale is very expensive.

>
>Who's gonna house and feed that Slayer Army she's training. It was never
>established who was paying the bills in Sunnydale.

wonder if giles would have any means of accessing the accounts that
the council of watchers must have had?

if so, it would be reasonable for him to do so, and start to rebuild
the council, and with all the slayers that were activated, it would
seem sensible for buffy and/or faith to assume some duties in training
those new slayers at some sort of "slayer academy" set up by giles/the
new council.

the potentials turned slayers, having had the benefit of some training
already should be ready to step in and become roving slayers, or even
assigned to specific areas.

one would think that giles would set up some means of compensation for
them, avoiding a repeat of buffy's financial problems.

willow would seem to fit perfectly there as well, doing research and
looking into the history of the guardians, possibly restoring that
group as well. there must be some information on them.

dawn certainly appears to want to be involved, and she was dooing a
lot of research work the last year or two, so she would seem to fit in
as well, if she wants to continue.

not sure what position xander might fill, but i'm sure they wopuld
find a place for him.

where should the new council be, england again, or someplace else?

p0ne

Growltiger

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May 26, 2003, 12:21:32 PM5/26/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, play...@att.net wrote in article
<ntu3dvc40uj1e8mof...@4ax.com>...

I do not know about Giles, but Sirk seems to have access to some of the
most valuable and rare Council property. If Giles is seen over on
Angel, he may have a bone to pick over the ownership of this material.

Don Sample

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May 26, 2003, 1:54:01 PM5/26/03
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In article <MPG.193b3e87c...@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger
<ty...@never.invalid> wrote:

> I do not think Giles is too keen on reforming the Council after
> what they did to him and Buffy.

You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The Council did a lot
of good things. How long would Buffy have survived if she never had a
Watcher?

The Council needs to be reformed (in both senses of the word.) It
needs to be put back together to be able to provide support and
guidance for all the new Slayers in the world, and it needs to have
some of its policies and practices reviewed. Scrap things like the
Cruciamentum, give more authority to people with actual field
experience.

Don Sample

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May 26, 2003, 1:56:07 PM5/26/03
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Home schooling. It's not just for crazy religious people anymore.

Andrew Lee ('89)

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May 26, 2003, 5:30:08 PM5/26/03
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Don Sample <dsa...@synapse.net> writes:

>In article <3ED1F3D9...@rcn.com>, Carmikl <Car...@rcn.com> wrote:

>> Growltiger wrote:
>> >
>> > Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, Car...@rcn.com wrote in article
>> > <3ED031D8...@rcn.com>...
>> > > Shorty wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
>> > > > is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.
>> > > > Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the hellmouth are over
>> > > > but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>> > > >
>> > > The bad news is she needs a job and a place to live. The good news is
>> > > she won't be supporting Spike for the rest of her life. Still, she might
>> > > be supporting Willow for a while yet. Willow's the one adult Scoobie
>> > > that's never held a job.
>> > >
>> >
>> > I do not know how she will pay for it, but now is the time for Buffy to
>> > fulfill her promise and show Dawn the world.
>> > --
>> > Be seeing you,
>> > Growltiger
>>
>> Dawn still needs to finish high school.

>Home schooling. It's not just for crazy religious people anymore.

Or she could get a scholarship to an English boarding school with a
new headmaster from the U.S. (unless Caleb blew up the school, too.)
--
Andrew Lee
al...@alumni.caltech.edu

Growltiger

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May 26, 2003, 6:10:13 PM5/26/03
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Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, dsa...@synapse.net wrote in
article <260520031354014364%dsa...@synapse.net>...

> In article <MPG.193b3e87c...@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger
> <ty...@never.invalid> wrote:
>
> > I do not think Giles is too keen on reforming the Council after
> > what they did to him and Buffy.
>
> You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The Council did a lot
> of good things. How long would Buffy have survived if she never had a
> Watcher?
>
> The Council needs to be reformed (in both senses of the word.) It
> needs to be put back together to be able to provide support and
> guidance for all the new Slayers in the world, and it needs to have
> some of its policies and practices reviewed. Scrap things like the
> Cruciamentum, give more authority to people with actual field
> experience.
>
>

Giles is going to be hard pressed to reform a Council that no longer
exists. That and folks like Sirk have made off with some of its most
valuable properties makes the task extraordinary in its difficulty.

Tony Head seems amenable to appearing on Angel, so I guess we are in
luck, Don. The fate of the Council may be more than idle speculation
before long.

himiko

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May 26, 2003, 6:30:01 PM5/26/03
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Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<tp80dvge3pg2bovrp...@4ax.com>...

> One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
> is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.
> Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the hellmouth are over
> but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>
> It was established in season 5 that the very nature of Buffy's powers
> drives her to do what she does. Her power is rooted in darkness and
> she is a hunter. Buffy is driven to seek out and slay the demons
> around her. She can feel their presence and knows when something is
> amiss. She is driven to protect the innocent from what they cannot
> defend against themselves.
>
> Not only is Buffy's very nature affected by her Slayer status, but her
> own morals would seem to compel her to continue her battle. Buffy is
> if anything a champion. She was a "champion" long before the word got

> batted around on Angel like a ping-pong ball. In 7 years of her
> chronicles she has shown herself to be a paragon of good. Buffy
> believes in the protection of human life above all things. She has
> slain her lover, fought her friends, and even faced guaranteed death
> to protect those around her.
>
> So with those observations I don't see how Buffy's life can be any
> less violent than it has been. She is compelled to hunt demons and
> they will be hunting her as well. She is no longer forced to stay
> immobile in the town of Sunnydale, but the lack of a Hellmouth to
> guard has not prevented the hundreds of Slayers who came before her
> from dying a brutal and violent death. There might be 50 slayers in
> the world now but how can an individual like Buffy choose to ignore
> what she knows is going on around her right beneath the bright surface
> of the world the rest of us see? She can no more give up her violent
> destiny than she can stop breathing. It makes me sad to think of it
> that way, but hey at least there might be a movie or multiple guest
> spots because of it.

Buffy can't have a normal life. No one can. There is no such thing
as a normal life. There are a lot of dull, unimaginative, pointless
lives for reasons which I have never understood, but that doesn't make
them normal...at least, I hope it's not that prevalent.

And for people like Buffy who have a strong sense of responsibility
and commitment, there can never be any real peace either. There will
always be another cause to champion, another demon to slay, and while
this is not always a comfortable way to live, it is richly satisfying.
But now Buffy understands that she doesn't have to do it all alone.
She can choose her causes and her time to act. There are many, many
others who will step in where she can't. And the world won't end if
she fails; there will be too many other lines of defense...and I don't
mean just Angel in L.A.

I look forward to seeing her occasional guest appearances so that we
can find out what kind of life Buffy does consider normal...for her.
I actually think it may include Xander. I've never been a X/B shipper
in any way, shape, or form, but given this ending, I think it would be
a kick for her two vamp lovers to discover that after all their
feuding with each other, she chose Xander. I didn't want it on the
show (too dull), but as long as most of it occurs off-screen, I think
it would be a good plot twist...and would leave both Angel and Spike
free, albeit heart-broken, for other potential lovers.

himiko

Don Sample

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May 26, 2003, 6:59:54 PM5/26/03
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In article <MPG.193c30a4...@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger
<ty...@never.invalid> wrote:

> Previously on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer, dsa...@synapse.net wrote in
> article <260520031354014364%dsa...@synapse.net>...
> > In article <MPG.193b3e87c...@netnews.attbi.com>, Growltiger
> > <ty...@never.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > I do not think Giles is too keen on reforming the Council after
> > > what they did to him and Buffy.
> >
> > You're throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The Council did a lot
> > of good things. How long would Buffy have survived if she never had a
> > Watcher?
> >
> > The Council needs to be reformed (in both senses of the word.) It
> > needs to be put back together to be able to provide support and
> > guidance for all the new Slayers in the world, and it needs to have
> > some of its policies and practices reviewed. Scrap things like the
> > Cruciamentum, give more authority to people with actual field
> > experience.
> >
> >
>
> Giles is going to be hard pressed to reform a Council that no longer
> exists. That and folks like Sirk have made off with some of its most
> valuable properties makes the task extraordinary in its difficulty.

First they have to reform it, in the sense of recreating it. Then they
have to reform it, in the sense of changing the way it operates.

John R. Rybock

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May 27, 2003, 8:36:19 AM5/27/03
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On Sun, 25 May 2003 02:41:58 GMT, Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how Buffy
>is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal person.
>Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the hellmouth are over
>but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>

She is still a slayer. However, the overall conflict the character was dealing with throughout the
arc of the show is having this thrust upon her and having this massive responsibility of being the
one. The reason she couldn't have a normal life was not simply because she has this power, but
because the was the only one with it - there are no vacations, there is no sending someone else out
to do it. For a night, a couple Scoobies might patrol, but no major breaks for her. Plus, it makes
her a target in many dasterdly plans.

Now, she still has the power. She has moral responsibilities; given she's (and Faith) are Slayers
with some experience, and the Council is gone, so it should fall on her to help reorganize things.
But she is not alone. She's more normal than she has been since she was called. She shouldn't be
singled out since she's not the only Slayer. And if she wants to step away from it all for a while,
there are plenty of other Slayers to take up the slack. The main weight of responsibility, the
uniqueness of her powers, has been lifted.

Lots42 The Library Avenger

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May 27, 2003, 9:03:33 AM5/27/03
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>From: Growltiger ty...@never.invalid

>Giles is going to be hard pressed to reform a Council that no longer
>exists.

Bah! Consider the resources he has on hand. Wood, Xander, a terribly powerful
Wiccan, oodles of Slayers who trust him implicitly, a remarkably intelligent
and well-rounded young girl/ex Shiny Ball and um...Andrew and a...school bus.
Okay, it's gonna be a tad difficult but hey, there's always those weirdos in
L.A. willing to help out (unless W&H win out) and not -all- of Giles' old
friends are dead.


Jim Austin

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May 29, 2003, 11:44:15 PM5/29/03
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Fenster wrote:

> On 24 May 2003, Shorty <notrea...@hotmail.com> went to the
> cliffs of hope and faith and kicked the toll booth off:
>

> > One thing I did not understand about the finale of BTVS is how
> > Buffy is supposed to now be capable of living like a normal
> > person. Certainly her responsibilities as guardian of the
> > hellmouth are over but how has that lessened who or what she is.
>

> It's all relative... a normal live to a Buffy and the other Scoobs
> may not mean a 9-5 job; however, the responsibility of being The
> Chosen one has been greatly lessened now that Buffy has an army of
> Slayers. I got the impression that there would be work to do to find
> and properly train them, so Buffy et al still have a purpose. But
> with the emergence of the Slayer army, Buffy can now take a vacation
> now and then (though she did take a Summer off between S1 & S2).

One possibility would be for Buffy and the other Scoobs to organize a
new Watchers Council. With all these new slayers running around, the
new Council would be a repository of information, assign watchers and
deal with any rogue slayers. Presumably, it would avoid the
objectionable policies of the old Watchers Council.

With this situation, Buffy's job would be largely administrative, with
her slaying being confined to emergency situations. Her work would be
9-5, and thus she could approximate a normal life. The same would
apply to the other Scoobies.

This scenario would thus justify occasional guest appearances by
members of the original "Buffy" cast in "Angel" or whatever show
succeeds "Buffy".

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