AOQ Review 6-20: "Two To Go"
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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
(or "When Wiccans attack")
Writer: Douglas Petrie
Director: Bill Norton
One of the things that bothered me a little about the previous episode
is rectified early on, as Buffy still seems like Buffy, leaping over
things and generally being the Slayer. Once one has gotten used to how
quickly Slayers heal, it's hard to go back. I don't have much to
say about the early scenes with the ones she's protecting regardless
of whether they deserve it; certain moments, like a few of Jonathan's
comments about the implants and Anya's moving across the bars, are
particularly fun. Otherwise, it is what it is.
Our heroes are just in time to get the Duo away from Just Willow. She
was just starting to make me wonder whether her powers would have any
kind of general boundaries or whether she'd just be kinda selectively
omnipotent. And then she starts to run out of power and show a few
signs of vulnerability. I like that kind of proactive spirit in a
show.
"Are you kidding? She's like Dark Phoenix up there! You expect us
just to outrun her?" "Pretty much."
And I thought Spike made a drive-by appearance last week. He continues
to exist, although I've seen glaciers that move faster than his
current story - it's not time for him to be a big part of things
just yet. I don't know when the right time is, given that the next
episode is the season finale, but just within the context of TTG, it
makes sense to keep his role as limited and unconnected as possible. I
like his self-referential commentary on the shirtless trial, the
expansion in the types of song lyrics he's likely to quote, and the
double-take upon first seeing the fire. Being a main character, he's
of course flame-resistant. And that's all I have to say about that.
"So, I'd give 'em a seven. Maybe a seven-five ... and, you think
this is dumb, don't you?" "Uh, no! No, as taste tests go, this is
definitely one of the better ones I've been to." Hey, assigning
arbitrary ratings to things is an important job. Clem isn't the best
choice for someone to take care of Dawn and keep her out of danger,
because he's too affable for that. Pair him with someone like Dawn,
and she'll quickly be the one running the show, without him having
the heart to try to stop her. I think when she's being written well,
this is one of the fundamental contradictions that make Dawn who she
is. She's Bitty Buffy in that she's got her sister's
willfulness, so the viewer's inclination is to root for her too, on
behalf of over-patronized teenagers everywhere. But sure enough, she
ends up being helpless against the big world out there, and entirely
unable to contribute other than to be the one who hands the monster the
knife to hold against her throat in a dramatic manner.
Dark Willow takes on a few slightly different forms, but in all of
them, she's left the character we know behind, (supposedly) never to
return. But hung on to a few things, like the love for revenge, the
way she's always been ashamed of being Just Willow, and so on. The
first exchange with Rack is appropriately uncomfortable to watch, since
Willow's pretending to be in total surrender to him the way she
actually is to the magic. It seems like the typical place for her to
kill the minor villain, but since the show likes to misdirect, it
almost comes around and becomes unexpected again. I didn't discount
the possibility that part of the unfeeling desire for revenge would
include no longer being afraid of the ever popular crack whore
metaphor. He's even more predatory than he's been in past
appearances, and it's almost a relief to see her kill him after all.
After that she's bonafide eeevil, trying to re-Key Dawn and generally
being bitchy and mocking. I think it's worth noting that no hint of
the sneer shows up until after she takes Rack's juice and gets the
marks on her face. The later version of DW is more of a standard, if
fun, villain. "We'll all be a lot happier without listening to the
constant whining." You know what they say about villains on this
show always being the ones who're closest to the truth about the
heroes... I love the little contemptuous twist she puts on the name
"Dawnie."
One of the better exchanges:
XANDER: Well, how's the translation coming? What have we got so far?
ANYA: So far we've got "the." Well, either "the" or "towards," I'm not
really sure. I can't do this. I'm in retail. Stupid ancient
Sumerian.
While we're in the Magic Box, what about the way that Xander's
worst, or at least most immediate sense of failure doesn't have to do
with Anya, but with feeling like he let Buffy down, as Backup Guy?
That potential conflict of interests wasn't what drove them apart,
but it's something that all... er, both of Xander's girlfriends
have had to accept about him.
This is shaping up to be a short review [post-hoc note: guess not],
since a lot of TTG is a straightforward action show. It doesn't
inspire many comments beyond "that was fun." The previous episodes
have handled most of the setup, and now, context firmly in place, we
can roll out the payoff; the emotions behind it are self-evident. And
as a summary comment, the whole thing is even more of a blast than last
episode was. There are a few attempts to tap into the seasonal themes;
the irony of having Buffy try to give Willow the life-is-beautiful
speech is a little too obvious, but that's a worthwhile scene just
because of how close yet faraway Willow is as she sums up S6 (I like
calling Buffy out on "Normal Again" the way no one has yet):
"You're trying to sell me on the world. The one where you lie to
your friends when you're not trying to kill them? And you screw a
vampire just to feel? And insane asylums are the comfy alternative?
This world?" Although we've seen Buffy starting to move on, in
important ways, it's not clear enough in her mind to articulate a
good rebuttal, so she's in exactly the right place for the writers to
throw a scene like this at her. Beyond that stuff, this one is basic
high drama, and while it's talking with sweeping gestures, it's all
working so well. Especially enjoyed the ridiculous yet strangely
exciting sword standoff, with Jonathan again showing his ability to
rise or lower himself to the caliber of the company he keeps. And the
air of Big Showdown as Buffy faces down what's left of her best
friend. There's a reason certain images are classics. "I said I
didn't *want* to [hurt you]. Didn't say I wouldn't."
Bookcase makers must be in high demand in Sunnydale. Maybe that's
why Xander doubles as a craftsman-type carpenter as well as doing the
large-scale construction work.
And then just to make sure I remember this one, a figure makes an
unexpected entrance at the end. I was thinking it'd be Spike, since
I couldn't imagine who else it would be (and thinking about getting
annoyed by it, since that's totally not the right role for him). But
of course, enter Giles, who I've been missing tremendously this year.
There are plenty of questions that'll need to be answered
satisfactorily, like where he got this kind of power and what tipped
him off that it was time to show up just before the clock hit the end
of hour 23, but I'm willing to leave it up to future episodes to
answer that stuff. For now, I am an acknowledged sucker for these
surprise appearances, and was caught totally off guard here. Awesome.
According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
la WTTH/TH. True?
So...
One-sentence summary: An adrenaline rush.
AOQ rating: Excellent
[Season Six so far:
1) "Bargaining" - Decent
2) "After Life" - Good
3) "Flooded" - Decent
4) "Life Serial" - Good
5) "All The Way" - Good
6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
8) "Smashed" - Decent
9) "Wrecked" - Good
10) "Gone" - Decent
11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
12) "Dead Things" - Good
13) "Older And Far Away" - Good
14) "As You Were" - Decent
15) "Hell's Bells" - Weak
16) "Normal Again" - Excellent
17) "Entropy" - Decent
18) "Seeing Red" - Good
19) "Villains" - Good
20) "Two To Go" - Excellent]
Don Sample
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (or "When Wiccans attack")
> Writer: Douglas Petrie
> Director: Bill Norton
>
> "Are you kidding? She's like Dark Phoenix up there! You expect us
> just to outrun her?" "Pretty much."
>
> Bookcase makers must be in high demand in Sunnydale. Maybe that's
> why Xander doubles as a craftsman-type carpenter as well as doing the
> large-scale construction work.
Xander pretty much got his start in carpentry by building the Magic
Box's bookshelves.
> According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
> la WTTH/TH. True?
Yes. "Two to Go" and "Grave" first aired back to back.
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> air of Big Showdown as Buffy faces down what's left of her best
> friend. There's a reason certain images are classics. "I said I
> didn't *want* to [hurt you]. Didn't say I wouldn't."
>
Just like Spike, in fact. In Becoming II, as he faces off with
Drusilla:
"I don't want to hurt you, baby." [punches her in the face] "Doesn't
mean I won't."
One Bit Shy
news:1156997019.4...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
I'm glad you were swept away by the excitement. Darth Rosenberg has a way
about her. (And she gets a little excited this episode too. The monotone
just wasn't evil enough.)
It's a fairly self evident episode - as was the last one. I suppose that
could be considered to be both's greatest weakness. Not something to
generate a lot of comment or thought beyond oohing and ahing (or razzing if
should you prefer) at what happens. The episode is noticeably talky in a
few spots, and not always with scintillating dialog - what I think is its
weakest point. But some of the dialog is very good, and situationaly spot
on. Just having the Buffy/Willow face-off is a bit spine-tingling - and as
obvious as the two zooms into each of their faces was, that's exactly when
to do that kind of obvious. What it's made for.
I'd rate this episode an Excellent too. Though it's much akin to the prior,
this one just hits with a few bigger moments. I loved Willow's attack on
the police station. The swirling tornado entrance to the scene. Ripping
the blocks from the station. The cool way she flew up to the hole - so
totally in command. And that wonderful scream. (My favorite scream in BtVS
history.)
The taunting of Dawn was, of course, fabulous. And I gather that quite a
few fans were rooting for Willow just then. <g>
Willow on the truck is kind of silly in a way, but, hell, if I saw that
behind me, I'd be freaked out. And it was interesting seeing her drain
there. (Incidentally, I understand how Buffy figured out where Willow would
go to load up on power, but how did she find Rack's place on her own? A
little continuity cheat? Made up for by the cool slow spin from Rack's to
the Magic Box. You'll note that was a kind of teleporting - belying what
Anya had said about witches having to fly. I'd say that means she's moved
beyond witch, except we saw Rack's magic let her teleport back in Wrecked.)
And of course, the entrance of all entrances to close the episode. That
really is cool. Smack in the middle of Willow's bwa-ha-ha moment. And,
damn, that's some serious mojo he's packing to send Willow flying like that.
Anyway, you've really covered most of they highlights. I don't think I've
got much else to say other than these Dark Willow episodes came not to long
after I'd started watching the series in original airing and were the first
ones of those to really engage me. The preceding several episodes were
interesting, but hard to really understand with my limited background. But
you don't need to know the full series history to get off on Willow all
magicked up.
> One of the things that bothered me a little about the previous episode
> is rectified early on, as Buffy still seems like Buffy, leaping over
> things and generally being the Slayer.
"Killing people changes you. Believe me, I know." Perhaps that remark from
Buffy early on addresses a little your question about Buffy's history of
having gone after Faith. Or maybe not.
> And I thought Spike made a drive-by appearance last week. He continues
> to exist, although I've seen glaciers that move faster than his
> current story
I have to laugh at that considering how little time is spent on him. But
you're right. His appearance in both of these episodes feels a bit like
killing time.
> Dark Willow takes on a few slightly different forms, but in all of
> them, she's left the character we know behind, (supposedly) never to
> return.
The progression of that is a bit interesting. The first thing she did (last
episode) was to go save Buffy - and initially she wanted Buffy and Xander
along in her Warren hunt. When she said she wasn't coming back, she still
said that in first person - "I'm not coming back." But then it moved from
rational vendetta against Warren to getting his extended family (so to
speak) to getting back at other nasty people (Rack) to finding reasons to
get the ones she loves. And now she refers to Willow in the third person as
someone no longer there. Though she forces herself to return to first
person when speaking of Tara.
So she's definitely pushing her identity away. But I can't help but notice
that she's still fixated on the people she knows.
> While we're in the Magic Box, what about the way that Xander's
> worst, or at least most immediate sense of failure doesn't have to do
> with Anya, but with feeling like he let Buffy down, as Backup Guy?
> That potential conflict of interests wasn't what drove them apart,
> but it's something that all... er, both of Xander's girlfriends
> have had to accept about him.
I don't know. Anya seemed, well, a little sorry for Xander right then. Of
course she immediately follows by saying that she was talking about their
relationship - not the shooting. Torn feelings I guess.
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: An adrenaline rush.
>
> AOQ rating: Excellent
Agreed.
OBS
burt...@hotmail.com
>
> Dark Willow takes on a few slightly different forms, but in all of
> them, she's left the character we know behind, (supposedly) never to
> return.
Apparentely she left her brain behind as well. How many times did she
try the *same* spell on Jonathon and Andrew after seeing it wasn't
working? And if she couldn't blast Jonathon and Andrew directly, why
not just blast the ceiling over them, cave it in, and crush them? That
would have actually gotten the job done, as opposed to slugging it out
with Buffy and giving them time to get away.
I guess taking in all that dark magic made her stupid. Or something.
Paul Hyett
:
>
>BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (I like
>calling Buffy out on "Normal Again" the way no one has yet):
>"You're trying to sell me on the world. The one where you lie to
>your friends when you're not trying to kill them? And you screw a
>vampire just to feel? And insane asylums are the comfy alternative?
I had an issue with that - she didn't *choose* that delusion, it was
forced upon her by the demon's poison.
>
>According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
>la WTTH/TH. True?
Not in the UK, IIRC.
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
vague disclaimer
Don Sample <dsa...@synapse.net> wrote:
> In article <1156997019.4...@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
> "Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
>
> > A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> > threads.
> >
> >
> > BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> > Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> > (or "When Wiccans attack")
> > Writer: Douglas Petrie
> > Director: Bill Norton
> >
> > "Are you kidding? She's like Dark Phoenix up there! You expect us
> > just to outrun her?" "Pretty much."
>
>
>
> >
> > Bookcase makers must be in high demand in Sunnydale. Maybe that's
> > why Xander doubles as a craftsman-type carpenter as well as doing the
> > large-scale construction work.
>
> Xander pretty much got his start in carpentry by building the Magic
> Box's bookshelves.
>
>
> > According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
> > la WTTH/TH. True?
>
> Yes. "Two to Go" and "Grave" first aired back to back.
Meaning that in Grave ASH gets a credit at beginning and end.
--
Wikipedia: like Usenet, moderated by trolls
Apteryx
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> XANDER: Well, how's the translation coming? What have we got so far?
> ANYA: So far we've got "the." Well, either "the" or "towards," I'm not
> really sure. I can't do this. I'm in retail. Stupid ancient
> Sumerian.
Though they are oddly reluctant to let Jonathan help them save him.
>
> And then just to make sure I remember this one, a figure makes an
> unexpected entrance at the end. I was thinking it'd be Spike, since
> I couldn't imagine who else it would be (and thinking about getting
> annoyed by it, since that's totally not the right role for him). But
> of course, enter Giles, who I've been missing tremendously this year.
> There are plenty of questions that'll need to be answered
> satisfactorily, like where he got this kind of power and what tipped
> him off that it was time to show up just before the clock hit the end
> of hour 23, but I'm willing to leave it up to future episodes to
> answer that stuff. For now, I am an acknowledged sucker for these
> surprise appearances, and was caught totally off guard here. Awesome.
>
Great entrance and a great ending. Wish both had come sooner...
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: An adrenaline rush.
>
> AOQ rating: Excellent
The ending lifts it above Villains for me. Its still only Weak, but its
nearly Decent. Its my 129th favourite BtVS episode, 20th best in season
6
Apteryx
Sandy
Maybe it wouldn't be as much of a rush to simply crush them at that
point for her? She wanted to <i>see</i> Warren hurt. Maybe the same
applies here. *shrugs*
Rincewind
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (or "When Wiccans attack")
> Writer: Douglas Petrie
> Director: Bill Norton
Not much to say about this episode, just a couple of comments.
> "So, I'd give 'em a seven. Maybe a seven-five ... and, you think
> this is dumb, don't you?" "Uh, no! No, as taste tests go, this is
> definitely one of the better ones I've been to." Hey, assigning
> arbitrary ratings to things is an important job. Clem isn't the best
> choice for someone to take care of Dawn and keep her out of danger,
> because he's too affable for that. Pair him with someone like Dawn,
> and she'll quickly be the one running the show, without him having
> the heart to try to stop her. I think when she's being written well,
> this is one of the fundamental contradictions that make Dawn who she
> is.
Unfortunately in this season she is mostly being written like a stock
character, so the very few moments when she is being written well really
stand out.
> There are a few attempts to tap into the seasonal themes;
> the irony of having Buffy try to give Willow the life-is-beautiful
> speech is a little too obvious, but that's a worthwhile scene just
> because of how close yet faraway Willow is as she sums up S6 (I like
> calling Buffy out on "Normal Again" the way no one has yet):
> "You're trying to sell me on the world. The one where you lie to
> your friends when you're not trying to kill them? And you screw a
> vampire just to feel? And insane asylums are the comfy alternative?
> This world?"
Just a few seconds before this, there is the one Darth Rosenberg moment that
I really loved and where Hannigan was IMO perfect:
WILLOW: The only thing Willow was ever good for- the only thing I had going
for me- were the moments, just moments, when Tara would look at me and I was
wonderful.
> And then just to make sure I remember this one, a figure makes an
> unexpected entrance at the end. I was thinking it'd be Spike, since
> I couldn't imagine who else it would be (and thinking about getting
> annoyed by it, since that's totally not the right role for him). But
> of course, enter Giles, who I've been missing tremendously this year.
> There are plenty of questions that'll need to be answered
> satisfactorily, like where he got this kind of power and what tipped
> him off that it was time to show up just before the clock hit the end
> of hour 23, but I'm willing to leave it up to future episodes to
> answer that stuff. For now, I am an acknowledged sucker for these
> surprise appearances, and was caught totally off guard here. Awesome.
This was the weakest part of the episode for me, but then I am not a sucker
for surprise appearances.
My rating: Decent.
Rincewind.
--
Lines you'll never hear on Buffy:
DARK WILLOW: You weren't always a girl, Dawnie. You used to be a ball of
energy. Wanna go back?
DAWN: Oh, hell yeah! This shit is waaaay too depressing around here. Could
you let me tell Buffy to go fuck herself first, though? 'Cause I really want
to do that once before I go.
DARK WILLOW: Sure. I'll come with.
vague disclaimer
burt...@hotmail.com wrote:
WILLOW: So which one of you worked the mojo? Doesn't matter, really, I'm
just curious. Just because I can't do Magicks to you, doesn't mean I
can't do them on myself.
WILLOW: (Latin, phonetic) DAH MEE-hee WIM. (English trans: Give me
Strength.) WILLOW: Now, I'm pretty sure I'm strong enough to beat you to
death.
She's *enjoying* it.
Mike Zeares
Apteryx wrote:
>
> The ending lifts it above Villains for me. Its still only Weak, but its
> nearly Decent. Its my 129th favourite BtVS episode, 20th best in season
> 6
>
> Apteryx
I'm with you on these. I generally like S6, but I think it runs out of
steam at the end. Despite a certain bad-ass appearance at the end of
2TG.
I just never really got into Dark Willow. I guess I was one of the
fanboys who was disappointed that she didn't go all leather and whips
and ride-people-like-ponies for half the season.
-- Mike Zeares
Xande...@gmail.com
the mind. And since you no longer have any interest in Willow's story,
how can you possibly grade anything after you decided she wasn't
important with an open mind anyway?
Jeff Jacoby
Dark Willow talks wa-a-ay too much and is very boring!
Jeff
burt...@hotmail.com
That still doesn't explain why she kept trying the same spell over and
over after she saw it wasn't working.
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu
> threads.
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (or "When Wiccans attack")
> Writer: Douglas Petrie
> Director: Bill Norton
.
> One of the things that bothered me a little about the previous episode
> is rectified early on, as Buffy still seems like Buffy, leaping over
> things and generally being the Slayer. Once one has gotten used to how
> quickly Slayers heal, it's hard to go back.
I think Willow healed her physical wounds completely. What we see here is
Buffy snapping back into Slayer mode. In Villains, she was still stunned
and uncertain of what was happening with Willow. Now, she's back on more
familiar turf, trying to stop something bad before it kills again. Of
course this time she doesn't want to actually slay the baddie, but it's
still the same basic dynamic Buffy is used to.
The scenes at the jail were cool, but without the same emotional impact
that Villains had; it was more of a simple action-movie vibe. Some of the
filming was a little sloppy, with the same people fleeing the building
twice and the cops standing around Willow forever without either trying to
shoot her or fleeing. Still, yeah, cool. The bit with the truck had more
emotion, with Buffy and Xander's reaction to Jonathan's "just Willow"
speech ... followed by CRASH! "What's that?!" "Just Willow." Heh.
And I loved it when Buffy smacked Andrew after he said "But we didn't do
anything." Goddamn little weasel. Xander's later threat to smack the
weasel so hard his eyeballs would switch sockets was nice too. Andrew is
seriously obtuse here. When he isn't denying responsibility or trying
to turn on his rescuers, he offers to become Jonathan's loyal minion.
Will he ever listen to Jonathan and grow up?
> Clem isn't the best
> choice for someone to take care of Dawn and keep her out of danger,
> because he's too affable for that.
But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
> Dark Willow takes on a few slightly different forms, but in all of
> them, she's left the character we know behind, (supposedly) never to
> return. But hung on to a few things, like the love for revenge, the
> way she's always been ashamed of being Just Willow, and so on.
Everything Dark Willow does is still based on Just Willow. Avenging Tara
is obvious, but even when going after Dawn and Buffy it's still rooted in
the flaws Just Willow already saw in them. When she mocks Just Willow,
she's hitting the same things she always felt insecure about. And when
she and Buffy finally face off, she's the former sidekick revealing a
desire to move up in the world. She's more than just another cool big bad
-- even at her darkest, it's still Willow. (Perhaps comparable to Angel
becoming Angelus but continuing his obsession with Buffy?)
The confrontation between Buffy and DW at Rack's place, and their fight at
the Magic Box, are easily my two favorite parts of TTG. The latter is
also one of my favorite fights of the whole series. The angsty battles
between Buffy and former allies (Angelus in Innocence, Faith in GDI)
always mean more to me than the ones with cool action sequences, but this
fight succeeds in both categories.
While I'm at it, the teleporting from Rack's to the Magic Box is another
all-time favorite moment. I love how the background swirls while Willow
continues her cutting speech without missing a beat. But it's topped by
Giles's sudden appearance at the very end.
How did Buffy find Rack's place? And if they all realized that the Magic
Box was the first place Willow would look, why did the others stay there
when Buffy headed for Rack's?
> While we're in the Magic Box, what about the way that Xander's
> worst, or at least most immediate sense of failure doesn't have to do
> with Anya, but with feeling like he let Buffy down, as Backup Guy?
> That potential conflict of interests wasn't what drove them apart,
> but it's something that all... er, both of Xander's girlfriends
> have had to accept about him.
We already saw Xander feeling useless in the teaser, and before that in
Villains, when he tells Willow about the shooting: "It went down too fast,
I couldn't stop him." Whether or not he could have stopped Warren, he
feels guilty for freezing up and not doing anything. And later when the
flee the Magic Box, he feels useless again for not knowing where to go.
He's developed some serious issues. I like how Anya wasn't able to accept
his remorse for leaving her at the altar, but she sympathizes with him now
when he berates himself for "letting" Buffy and Tara get shot.
> This is shaping up to be a short review [post-hoc note: guess not],
> since a lot of TTG is a straightforward action show. It doesn't
> inspire many comments beyond "that was fun."
TTG following SR and Villains feels a bit like GDII following GDI: more
action, less emotional drama. That's not an analogy that can be pushed
very far, of course. The contrast between GDI and GDII was a lot more
marked. TTG turns into an action episode in a way Villains never did, but
it's still almost as emotional as Villains was.
> AOQ rating: Excellent
I have a problem here, because I think TTG is great, but Villains hits me
harder, and I only gave that a high Good/low Excellent. I think I'll call
both Villains and TTG borderline Excellents.
--Chris
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>
>BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
>(or "When Wiccans attack")
>Writer: Douglas Petrie
>Director: Bill Norton
>
>One of the things that bothered me a little about the previous episode
>is rectified early on, as Buffy still seems like Buffy, leaping over
>things and generally being the Slayer. Once one has gotten used to how
>quickly Slayers heal, it's hard to go back. I don't have much to
>say about the early scenes with the ones she's protecting regardless
>of whether they deserve it; certain moments, like a few of Jonathan's
>comments about the implants and Anya's moving across the bars, are
>particularly fun. Otherwise, it is what it is.
It works fairly well to bring up a time issue thing here. Anya makes the
point that Willow isn't really teleporting when she does the sparkly mist
thing, and we actually get a feeling for how long it takes (and this is
important in terms of the timing later in the ep). Willow mists off, and
the group start running through the woods. After stumbling for a bit, and
finding that Willow has taken the time to trash Xander's car, Buffy takes
off on her own, and Anya teleports ahead, leaving Xander to follow.
Anya reaches the jail several minutes before Willow, despite Willow's
massive head-start, and Buffy, on foot, reaches the jail almost as soon as
Willow (of course, Buffy on foot is a lot faster than a normal human over
distance, even if she isn't a champion sprinter, her best sprint is the
same speed as her best long-distance run).
Later, when Buffy decided to take off to Rack's place, Anya was just really
getting started on the Sumerian. When Willow sparkle-mists Buffy and Dawn
back to the Magic Box, Anya has completed the translation and has the spell
ready. This works more easily when you realize that Willow's sparkle-mist
express is slower than Buffy at a full run.
>Our heroes are just in time to get the Duo away from Just Willow. She
>was just starting to make me wonder whether her powers would have any
>kind of general boundaries or whether she'd just be kinda selectively
>omnipotent. And then she starts to run out of power and show a few
>signs of vulnerability. I like that kind of proactive spirit in a
>show.
>
>"Are you kidding? She's like Dark Phoenix up there! You expect us
>just to outrun her?" "Pretty much."
Andrew gets most, though not all, the best lines here. Among other things,
we learn that there must be a Really scary wicca in the eastern hemisphere
> I think it's worth noting that no hint of
>the sneer shows up until after she takes Rack's juice and gets the
>marks on her face.
"You mean, instead of killing my best friend you killed my girlfriend..."
The basis of the sneer was already there, It's just that before this, Darth
Rosenberg wasn't all that talkative.
>According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
>la WTTH/TH. True?
Yes, and ASH wasn't in the opening Guest Star credits for the first half.
>One-sentence summary: An adrenaline rush.
And an absolute wonderland of quotability, perhaps second only to
Doppelgangland in that respect.
Andrew: "What about Warren?"
Anya: "She killed him. Ripped him apart and bloodied up the forest doing
it. Now she's coming here and the two of you are next."
Andrew: Oh my God... Warren."
Jonathan: Oh my God, ME. GUARD!
"Boys? If you don't knock it off, I will pull this car over and you can
just walk to your painful deaths from here."
Andrew: "You think your Li'l Witch buddy's gonna stop with us? You saw her!
She's a truck driving Magic Mamma. We've got maybe seconds before Darth
Rosenberg grinds everybody into Jawa burgers, and not one of you bunch has
the midichlorians to stop her."
Xander: "You've never had even a tiny bit of sex, have you?"
Anya: "The annoying virgin has a point."
And, of course, the return of my normal sig, which I've held in abeyance on
this group for the last couple of months.
--
"Timothy Dalton should get an Oscar and
beat Sean Connery over the head with it!"
-The Other Guy (you know, Tucker's brother)
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
and so clem leaves human alone
meow arf meow - they are performing horrible experiments in space
major grubert is watching you - beware the bakalite
there can only be one or two
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu
>> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
>
> he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
> buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
> and so clem leaves human alone
V'z whfg unys-frevbhfyl gelvat gb cynag n frrq bs fhfcvpvba va Neo'f zvaq
nobhg Pyrz. Vg'f n tbbq gvzr.
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
> >
> > he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
> > buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
> > and so clem leaves human alone
>
> V'z whfg unys-frevbhfyl gelvat gb cynag n frrq bs fhfcvpvba va Neo'f zvaq
> nobhg Pyrz. Vg'f n tbbq gvzr.
anyone who gambles and eats fluffy kittens is not all good
or all bad depending on your view of cats
William George Ferguson
tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In article <12feduc...@corp.supernews.com>,
> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>
>> mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
>> >
>> > he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
>> > buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
>> > and so clem leaves human alone
>>
>> V'z whfg unys-frevbhfyl gelvat gb cynag n frrq bs fhfcvpvba va Neo'f zvaq
>> nobhg Pyrz. Vg'f n tbbq gvzr.
>
>anyone who gambles and eats fluffy kittens is not all good
>
>or all bad depending on your view of cats
Bs pbhefr, Pyrz tnir hc rngvat syhssl xvggraf, orpnhfr bs gur pubyrfgre...,
re, nu, orpnhfr vg jnf jebat bs pbhefr.
--
"Oh Buffy, you really do need to have
every square inch of your ass kicked."
- Willow Rosenberg
BTR1701
<mair_fheal-6D656...@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net>,
> In article <12feduc...@corp.supernews.com>,
> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>
> > mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges <mair_...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
> > >
> > > he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
> > > buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
> > > and so clem leaves human alone
> >
> > V'z whfg unys-frevbhfyl gelvat gb cynag n frrq bs fhfcvpvba va Neo'f zvaq
> > nobhg Pyrz. Vg'f n tbbq gvzr.
>
> anyone who gambles and eats fluffy kittens is not all good
Why not? What's wrong with gambling or eating meat?
Arbitrar Of Quality
> I just never really got into Dark Willow. I guess I was one of the
> fanboys who was disappointed that she didn't go all leather and whips
> and ride-people-like-ponies for half the season.
Happily for me (and sadly for others, clearly), Dark Willow isn't the
same character as Vamp!Willow, although the nastiness gets more
pronounced the longer this goes (maybe that's why you said "half the
season"). This is evil by way of righteous vengeance with a stopover
in self-righteous land. Since she's not a vampire, it's important that
she be driven by motivations that're recognizable as Willow's.
-AOQ
Arbitrar Of Quality
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
> Everything Dark Willow does is still based on Just Willow. Avenging Tara
> is obvious, but even when going after Dawn and Buffy it's still rooted in
> the flaws Just Willow already saw in them. When she mocks Just Willow,
> she's hitting the same things she always felt insecure about. And when
> she and Buffy finally face off, she's the former sidekick revealing a
> desire to move up in the world. She's more than just another cool big bad
> -- even at her darkest, it's still Willow. (Perhaps comparable to Angel
> becoming Angelus but continuing his obsession with Buffy?)
>
> The confrontation between Buffy and DW at Rack's place, and their fight at
> the Magic Box, are easily my two favorite parts of TTG. The latter is
> also one of my favorite fights of the whole series. The angsty battles
> between Buffy and former allies (Angelus in Innocence, Faith in GDI)
> always mean more to me than the ones with cool action sequences, but this
> fight succeeds in both categories.
Nothing to add, but nicely said.
> TTG following SR and Villains feels a bit like GDII following GDI: more
> action, less emotional drama. That's not an analogy that can be pushed
> very far, of course. The contrast between GDI and GDII was a lot more
> marked. TTG turns into an action episode in a way Villains never did, but
> it's still almost as emotional as Villains was.
Maybe, but as you say, the difference is much less marked. This is one
of the times I've felt satisfied with the pure payoff; GDII was more of
a letdown becuase its action scenes didn't seem to be the direct
descendent of the core emotions from GDI. It helps that TTG's sparkly
special effects and fight scenes uniformly look *really cool*.
-AOQ
Michael Ikeda
news:OjoZ+DM5...@blueyonder.co.uk:
> In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer on Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Arbitrar Of
> Quality wrote
>:
>>
>>BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
>>Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
>
>> (I like
>>calling Buffy out on "Normal Again" the way no one has yet):
>>"You're trying to sell me on the world. The one where you lie
>>to your friends when you're not trying to kill them? And you
>>screw a vampire just to feel? And insane asylums are the comfy
>>alternative?
>
> I had an issue with that - she didn't *choose* that delusion, it
> was forced upon her by the demon's poison.
Yes and no.
I tend to think the poison worked from what was already in Buffy's
subconscious.
--
Michael Ikeda mmi...@erols.com
"Telling a statistician not to use sampling is like telling an
astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
Lynne Billard, past president American Statistical Association
drifter
"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results." - Benjamin Franklin.
--
Kel
"I reject your reality, and substitute my own."
BTR1701
"drifter" <ne...@home.net> wrote:
Would have been more appropos if you'd used Faith's quote from "Orpheus":
"You know what the definition of insanity is, baby? Performing the same
task over and over and expecting different results. Learned that in
murder rehab."
Opus the Penguin
> I'd rate this episode an Excellent too. Though it's much akin to
> the prior, this one just hits with a few bigger moments. I loved
> Willow's attack on the police station. The swirling tornado
> entrance to the scene. Ripping the blocks from the station. The
> cool way she flew up to the hole - so totally in command. And
> that wonderful scream. (My favorite scream in BtVS history.)
Clearly you are forgetting "Get out, get out, get out!!!!!!"
--
Opus the Penguin
Or maybe you're just trying to forget
mariposas rand mair fheal greykitten tomys des anges
Opus the Penguin <opusthepen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One Bit Shy (O...@nomail.sorry) wrote:
>
> > I'd rate this episode an Excellent too. Though it's much akin to
> > the prior, this one just hits with a few bigger moments. I loved
> > Willow's attack on the police station. The swirling tornado
> > entrance to the scene. Ripping the blocks from the station. The
> > cool way she flew up to the hole - so totally in command. And
> > that wonderful scream. (My favorite scream in BtVS history.)
>
> Clearly you are forgetting "Get out, get out, get out!!!!!!"
adapting cinema insomnia
there are no bad gods
only misunderstood
Mel
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes in these review
> threads.
>
>
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (or "When Wiccans attack")
> Writer: Douglas Petrie
> Director: Bill Norton
>
> One of the things that bothered me a little about the previous episode
> is rectified early on, as Buffy still seems like Buffy, leaping over
> things and generally being the Slayer. Once one has gotten used to how
> quickly Slayers heal, it's hard to go back. I don't have much to
> say about the early scenes with the ones she's protecting regardless
> of whether they deserve it; certain moments, like a few of Jonathan's
> comments about the implants and Anya's moving across the bars, are
> particularly fun. Otherwise, it is what it is.
>
> Our heroes are just in time to get the Duo away from Just Willow. She
> was just starting to make me wonder whether her powers would have any
> kind of general boundaries or whether she'd just be kinda selectively
> omnipotent. And then she starts to run out of power and show a few
> signs of vulnerability. I like that kind of proactive spirit in a
> show.
>
> "Are you kidding? She's like Dark Phoenix up there! You expect us
> just to outrun her?" "Pretty much."
"Darth Rosenberg" gets a mention too.
>
> And I thought Spike made a drive-by appearance last week. He continues
> to exist, although I've seen glaciers that move faster than his
> current story - it's not time for him to be a big part of things
> just yet. I don't know when the right time is, given that the next
> episode is the season finale, but just within the context of TTG, it
> makes sense to keep his role as limited and unconnected as possible. I
> like his self-referential commentary on the shirtless trial, the
> expansion in the types of song lyrics he's likely to quote, and the
> double-take upon first seeing the fire. Being a main character, he's
> of course flame-resistant. And that's all I have to say about that.
>
> "So, I'd give 'em a seven. Maybe a seven-five ... and, you think
> this is dumb, don't you?" "Uh, no! No, as taste tests go, this is
> definitely one of the better ones I've been to." Hey, assigning
> arbitrary ratings to things is an important job. Clem isn't the best
> choice for someone to take care of Dawn and keep her out of danger,
> because he's too affable for that. Pair him with someone like Dawn,
> and she'll quickly be the one running the show, without him having
> the heart to try to stop her. I think when she's being written well,
> this is one of the fundamental contradictions that make Dawn who she
> is. She's Bitty Buffy in that she's got her sister's
> willfulness, so the viewer's inclination is to root for her too, on
> behalf of over-patronized teenagers everywhere. But sure enough, she
> ends up being helpless against the big world out there, and entirely
> unable to contribute other than to be the one who hands the monster the
> knife to hold against her throat in a dramatic manner.
Maybe Buffy was right that Dawn was made out of her. Spike sure sensed
the resemblance in Forever. Dawn in charge and getting her way is way
preferable to whiny Dawn. But then, almost anything is preferable to
whiny Dawn.
>
> Dark Willow takes on a few slightly different forms, but in all of
> them, she's left the character we know behind, (supposedly) never to
> return. But hung on to a few things, like the love for revenge, the
> way she's always been ashamed of being Just Willow, and so on. The
> first exchange with Rack is appropriately uncomfortable to watch, since
> Willow's pretending to be in total surrender to him the way she
> actually is to the magic. It seems like the typical place for her to
> kill the minor villain, but since the show likes to misdirect, it
> almost comes around and becomes unexpected again. I didn't discount
> the possibility that part of the unfeeling desire for revenge would
> include no longer being afraid of the ever popular crack whore
> metaphor. He's even more predatory than he's been in past
> appearances, and it's almost a relief to see her kill him after all.
> After that she's bonafide eeevil, trying to re-Key Dawn and generally
> being bitchy and mocking. I think it's worth noting that no hint of
> the sneer shows up until after she takes Rack's juice and gets the
> marks on her face. The later version of DW is more of a standard, if
> fun, villain. "We'll all be a lot happier without listening to the
> constant whining." You know what they say about villains on this
> show always being the ones who're closest to the truth about the
> heroes... I love the little contemptuous twist she puts on the name
> "Dawnie."
>
> One of the better exchanges:
> XANDER: Well, how's the translation coming? What have we got so far?
> ANYA: So far we've got "the." Well, either "the" or "towards," I'm not
> really sure. I can't do this. I'm in retail. Stupid ancient
> Sumerian.
Question for those paying more attention than me: What spell was Anya
chanting? Did she suddenly learn how to read Babylonian or did she put
her vengeance demon skills to work instead?
>
> While we're in the Magic Box, what about the way that Xander's
> worst, or at least most immediate sense of failure doesn't have to do
> with Anya, but with feeling like he let Buffy down, as Backup Guy?
> That potential conflict of interests wasn't what drove them apart,
> but it's something that all... er, both of Xander's girlfriends
> have had to accept about him.
>
> This is shaping up to be a short review [post-hoc note: guess not],
> since a lot of TTG is a straightforward action show. It doesn't
> inspire many comments beyond "that was fun." The previous episodes
> have handled most of the setup, and now, context firmly in place, we
> can roll out the payoff; the emotions behind it are self-evident. And
> as a summary comment, the whole thing is even more of a blast than last
> episode was. There are a few attempts to tap into the seasonal themes;
> the irony of having Buffy try to give Willow the life-is-beautiful
> speech is a little too obvious, but that's a worthwhile scene just
> because of how close yet faraway Willow is as she sums up S6 (I like
> calling Buffy out on "Normal Again" the way no one has yet):
> "You're trying to sell me on the world. The one where you lie to
> your friends when you're not trying to kill them? And you screw a
> vampire just to feel? And insane asylums are the comfy alternative?
> This world?" Although we've seen Buffy starting to move on, in
> important ways, it's not clear enough in her mind to articulate a
> good rebuttal, so she's in exactly the right place for the writers to
> throw a scene like this at her. Beyond that stuff, this one is basic
> high drama, and while it's talking with sweeping gestures, it's all
> working so well. Especially enjoyed the ridiculous yet strangely
> exciting sword standoff, with Jonathan again showing his ability to
> rise or lower himself to the caliber of the company he keeps. And the
> air of Big Showdown as Buffy faces down what's left of her best
> friend. There's a reason certain images are classics. "I said I
> didn't *want* to [hurt you]. Didn't say I wouldn't."
>
> Bookcase makers must be in high demand in Sunnydale. Maybe that's
> why Xander doubles as a craftsman-type carpenter as well as doing the
> large-scale construction work.
>
> And then just to make sure I remember this one, a figure makes an
> unexpected entrance at the end. I was thinking it'd be Spike, since
> I couldn't imagine who else it would be (and thinking about getting
> annoyed by it, since that's totally not the right role for him). But
> of course, enter Giles, who I've been missing tremendously this year.
> There are plenty of questions that'll need to be answered
> satisfactorily, like where he got this kind of power and what tipped
> him off that it was time to show up just before the clock hit the end
> of hour 23, but I'm willing to leave it up to future episodes to
> answer that stuff. For now, I am an acknowledged sucker for these
> surprise appearances, and was caught totally off guard here. Awesome.
>
> According to the transcript, this was aired together with the finale, a
> la WTTH/TH. True?
>
>
> So...
>
> One-sentence summary: An adrenaline rush.
>
> AOQ rating: Excellent
>
> [Season Six so far:
> 1) "Bargaining" - Decent
> 2) "After Life" - Good
> 3) "Flooded" - Decent
> 4) "Life Serial" - Good
> 5) "All The Way" - Good
> 6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
> 7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
> 8) "Smashed" - Decent
> 9) "Wrecked" - Good
> 10) "Gone" - Decent
> 11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
> 12) "Dead Things" - Good
> 13) "Older And Far Away" - Good
> 14) "As You Were" - Decent
> 15) "Hell's Bells" - Weak
> 16) "Normal Again" - Excellent
> 17) "Entropy" - Decent
> 18) "Seeing Red" - Good
> 19) "Villains" - Good
> 20) "Two To Go" - Excellent]
>
Love the surprise ending on this one. It's nice to see Giles back in town.
Mel
Mel
Sandy wrote:
Buffy told them, Willow doesn't want them dead, she wants to kill them.
I imagine letting the ceiling do her dirty work wouldn't be very
satisfying.
Mel
Mel
Mike Zeares wrote:
Sounds like you miss Faith.
Mel
Apteryx
I think a part (but only a part) of what makes Vamp Willow so much
better than Dark Willow is that is a comedic role, for which AH is
entirely suited. She is one of the best comic actors around, but I
wouldn't turn up to see her play Lady Macbeth. She gives Dark Willow
her best shot, but it is not the kind of role she was originally hired
for.
Reminiscent of Giles's experience "babysitting" Dawn in IWMTLY - "we
listened to aggressively cheerful music sung by people chosen for their
ability to dance"
Apteryx
Paul Hyett
>
>The scenes at the jail were cool, but without the same emotional impact
>that Villains had; it was more of a simple action-movie vibe. Some of the
>filming was a little sloppy, with the same people fleeing the building
>twice and the cops standing around Willow forever without either trying to
>shoot her or fleeing.
Well, they couldn't really shoot her, because she was doing nothing that
fell within the normal parameters of 'deadly threat'. I somehow doubt
that flying, or telekinetically demolishing a building is covered in the
police handbook. :)
>
>And I loved it when Buffy smacked Andrew after he said "But we didn't do
>anything." Goddamn little weasel. Xander's later threat to smack the
>weasel so hard his eyeballs would switch sockets was nice too. Andrew is
>seriously obtuse here. When he isn't denying responsibility or trying
>to turn on his rescuers, he offers to become Jonathan's loyal minion.
>Will he ever listen to Jonathan and grow up?
At least Jonathan was trying to make amends, and he also knows Buffy far
better than the other two - that's she's one of the good guys.
>
>How did Buffy find Rack's place?
Slayer senses?
> And if they all realized that the Magic
>Box was the first place Willow would look, why did the others stay there
>when Buffy headed for Rack's?
Because they still thought they could help her, not avoid her.
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
Paul Hyett
greykitten tomys des anges wrote :
>In article <12fe73b...@corp.supernews.com>,
> chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu wrote:
>
>> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
>
>he seems amoral but definitely afraid of the slayer
>buffys established that she doesnt go after demons that leave humans alone
>and so clem leaves human alone
Not kittens, though...
Paul Hyett
greykitten tomys des anges wrote :
>>
>> >> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
>
>
>or all bad depending on your view of cats
>
that was all just left to our imaginations.
peachy ashie passion
oh. Eww. Let's stick with the idea they eats them, please.
Pretty please?
cry...@panix.com
> Paul Hyett wrote:
>> To be fair, IIRC it is never specifically stated that he *eats* kittens,
>> that was all just left to our imaginations.
>
> oh. Eww. Let's stick with the idea they eats them, please.
>
> Pretty please?
Spoilers (i.e. not for AOQ!): http://vrya.net/bdb/clip.php?clip=4093
PYRZ: Vg'f trggvat onq urer. Ernyyl onq. Uryyzbhgu npgvat hc
ntnva, crbcyr srryvat vg, trggvat penmvre. Lbh pna'g fjvat n png
jvgubhg uvggvat fbzr xvaq bs qrzbavp npgvivgl. Abg gung V fjvat
pngf, be rng--abcr. Uru. Phggva' jnl onpx. Pubyrfgreby--zbenyf. V
zrna, zbenyf.
--
-Crystal
Rowan Hawthorn
Well, from "Life Serial":
BUFFY: What? I’m not getting into a bar fight! I’ll beat ’em up for
information, great, but not to defend your right to gamble for kittens!
Which, by the way, is stupid currency.
DEMON: They’re delicious!
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Stephen Tempest
>Question for those paying more attention than me: What spell was Anya
>chanting? Did she suddenly learn how to read Babylonian or did she put
>her vengeance demon skills to work instead?
Well, not so much attention-paying as script-reading:
ANYA
(Sumerian, phonetic)
Goo-roo-meh ning-in-meh,
noo-gull-gull-ah, goo-roo-
meh ning-in-meh, cheh-meh-
dull -dull -eh.
ANYA
(English)
Shield around us, never
broken, shield surrounds
us, keep us from harm...
So, either a continuity error there or Jonathan was wrong about it
being Babylonian... (Or someone at Mutant Enemy had a
Sumerian-English dictionary, but not a Babylonian-English one)
Stephen
peachy ashie passion
> peachy ashie passion wrote:
>
>> Paul Hyett wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer on Thu, 31 Aug 2006, mariposas rand mair
>>> fheal greykitten tomys des anges wrote :
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >> But don't you think Clem is a little too suspiciously affable?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> anyone who gambles and eats fluffy kittens is not all good
>>>>
>>>> or all bad depending on your view of cats
>>>>
>>> To be fair, IIRC it is never specifically stated that he *eats*
>>> kittens, that was all just left to our imaginations.
>>
>>
>>
>> oh. Eww. Let's stick with the idea they eats them, please.
>>
>> Pretty please?
>
>
> Well, from "Life Serial":
>
> BUFFY: What? I’m not getting into a bar fight! I’ll beat ’em up for
> information, great, but not to defend your right to gamble for kittens!
> Which, by the way, is stupid currency.
>
> DEMON: They’re delicious!
>
I love you Rowan.
Michael Ikeda
>>
>>How did Buffy find Rack's place?
>
> Slayer senses?
>
Also Buffy found Rack's place AFTER Rack was dead.
Stephen Tempest
>Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
>>> oh. Eww. Let's stick with the idea they eats them, please.
>>>
>>> Pretty please?
>>
>>
>> Well, from "Life Serial":
>>
>> BUFFY: What? I’m not getting into a bar fight! I’ll beat ’em up for
>> information, great, but not to defend your right to gamble for kittens!
>> Which, by the way, is stupid currency.
>>
>> DEMON: They’re delicious!
>>
>
>
> I love you Rowan.
Why? All he's shown is that demons know what the taste of kitten is
like. Doesn't mean they *eat* them...
Stephen
James Craine
Ok, now you are abusing skepticism.
Arbitrar Of Quality
Yeah, he is. This doesn't prove that *Clem* eats them, though (unless
he's the one who had that line, I forget). If most of his friends eat
kittens and are willing to barter for them, he could play for them
without the same designs. It's the same way cigarettes are often used
as currency in economically collapsing countries or in prison, even by
non-smokers.
-AOQ
Rowan Hawthorn
Hey, I'll take what I can get...
Rowan Hawthorn
> James Craine wrote:
>> Stephen Tempest wrote:
>>> peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
>>>>> Well, from "Life Serial":
>>>>>
>>>>> BUFFY: What? I'm not getting into a bar fight! I'll beat 'em up for
>>>>> information, great, but not to defend your right to gamble for kittens!
>>>>> Which, by the way, is stupid currency.
>>>>>
>>>>> DEMON: They're delicious!
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I love you Rowan.
>>>
>>> Why? All he's shown is that demons know what the taste of kitten is
>>> like. Doesn't mean they *eat* them...
>> Ok, now you are abusing skepticism.
>
> Yeah, he is. This doesn't prove that *Clem* eats them, though (unless
> he's the one who had that line, I forget).
Actually, it wasn't, but I had to throw that line in just to show that
there is at least the insinuation that Willow & Tara aren't the only
ones who like to eat p-*
...whattaya mean, this is a family newsgroup???
peachy ashie passion
Not to mention the abuse to my MIND!
I'll get you for this Stephen.
peachy ashie passion
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
>
>> James Craine wrote:
>>
>>> Stephen Tempest wrote:
>>>
>>>> peachy ashie passion <exquisi...@hotmail.com> writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, from "Life Serial":
>>>>>>
>>>>>> BUFFY: What? I'm not getting into a bar fight! I'll beat 'em up for
>>>>>> information, great, but not to defend your right to gamble for
>>>>>> kittens!
>>>>>> Which, by the way, is stupid currency.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> DEMON: They're delicious!
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I love you Rowan.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why? All he's shown is that demons know what the taste of kitten is
>>>> like. Doesn't mean they *eat* them...
>>>
>>> Ok, now you are abusing skepticism.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, he is. This doesn't prove that *Clem* eats them, though (unless
>> he's the one who had that line, I forget).
>
>
> Actually, it wasn't, but I had to throw that line in just to show that
> there is at least the insinuation that Willow & Tara aren't the only
> ones who like to eat p-*
>
>
>
> ...whattaya mean, this is a family newsgroup???
>
f*ck saving the kids, what about my poor abused sanity???
Rowan Hawthorn
Yeah, this newsgroup ought to come with a sanity clause...
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
There is no sanity clause
(you chip the ball, I'll nod it into the open goal)
--
Wikipedia: like Usenet, moderated by trolls
Rowan Hawthorn
Pshhht! Next you'll tell me there's no Easter Bunny...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> (you chip the ball, I'll nod it into the open goal)
Sounds like a plan.
Eric Hunter
ANYA: That's a myth.
DAWN: Yeah.
ANYA: No, I mean, it's a myth that it's a myth. There is a Santa Claus.
XANDER: The advantage of having a thousand-year-old girlfriend.
Inside scoop.
TARA: There's a Santa Claus?
ANYA: Mm-hmm. Been around since, like, the 1500s. He wasn't always
called Santa, but you know, Christmas night, flying reindeer, coming
down the chimney -- all true.
DAWN: (smiles hopefully) All true?
ANYA: Well, he doesn't traditionally bring presents so much as, you
know, disemboweled children, but otherwise...
TARA: The reindeer part was nice.
Rowan Hawthorn
:-) I like Tara - always looking on the positive side...
vague disclaimer
Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Eric Hunter wrote:
> >
> >
> > * vague disclaimer wrote, On 9/3/2006 9:39 AM:
> >> In article <69qdnTij2trntmfZ...@giganews.com>,
> >> Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Yeah, this newsgroup ought to come with a sanity clause...
> >>
> >> There is no sanity clause
> >
> >
> > ANYA: That's a myth.
> >
> > DAWN: Yeah.
> >
> > ANYA: No, I mean, it's a myth that it's a myth. There is a Santa Claus.
> >
> > XANDER: The advantage of having a thousand-year-old girlfriend.
> > Inside scoop.
> >
> > TARA: There's a Santa Claus?
> >
> > ANYA: Mm-hmm. Been around since, like, the 1500s. He wasn't always
> > called Santa, but you know, Christmas night, flying reindeer, coming
> > down the chimney -- all true.
> >
> > DAWN: (smiles hopefully) All true?
> >
> > ANYA: Well, he doesn't traditionally bring presents so much as, you
> > know, disemboweled children, but otherwise...
> >
> > TARA: The reindeer part was nice.
> >
>
> :-) I like Tara - always looking on the positive side...
Only because she's never been charged by a reindeer.
Rowan Hawthorn
Maybe she's too smart to give it her credit card?
James Craine
Rowan Hawthorn wrote:
Cosi, Cosa.
Eric Hunter
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> A reminder: Please avoid spoilers for later episodes
> in these review threads.
> BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER
> Season Six, Episode 20: "Two To Go"
> (or "When Wiccans attack")
>
> The first exchange with Rack is appropriately uncomfortable
> to watch, since Willow's pretending to be in total surrender
> to him the way she actually is to the magic. It seems like
> the typical place for her to kill the minor villain, but
> since the show likes to misdirect, it almost comes around
> and becomes unexpected again.
It doesn't seem to have been mentioned in the threads
for "Wrecked", "Villains" or "Two to Go", but Rack was
played by Jeff Kober, who also played Zachary Kralik,
the crazy vampire in S3.12 "Helpless".
Eric.
--
Mel
Jeff Kober will always be Dodger (China Beach) for me.
Mel
David E. Milligan
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One of the BEST shows, ever!
David