Last thoughts and complete AOQ ratings
Arbitrar Of Quality
No, seriously, this is more a final note about the AOQ Reviews project
than about BTVS. I've seen the series, now it's time to re-watch
and digest. Plenty of time to come to more general conclusions. At
this point I've lost my novelty value, no longer a new unspoiled
viewer. But since the BTVS reviews have always gotten much more
traffic than the ATS ones, I'd like to say a few quick things while I
still have an audience.
About three quarters of a year ago, I posted my first review to ATBVS,
and remember reloading the group over and over, apprehensive and
excited at the same time. Would anyone actually respond? I hoped you
would be interested in living vicariously through a first-timer so that
I could have a "fanbase" of sorts, wondered whether you'd take
kindly to it if I ended up disliking the show, and above all, hoped to
generate discussion. And within a very short time, I had my first
response:
"Arbitrar" isn't an English word. You may mean "Arbiter". While you
have the dictionary out, look up "irony".
Ah, Usenet.
To say that this project has been a success on a scale I wouldn't
have imagined would be... well, pretty accurate, actually. A
discussion is only as good as its participants, and I know I think
these talks have been quite good. One thing that's remained
consistent has been my eagerness to see what everyone else had to say
about each episode, and my burning need to check for new posts at
far-too-frequent intervals. I considered thanking people individually,
but that pretty much requires forgetting a few people unjustifiably.
So let me just thank you, collectively: to anyone who's ever
responded to an AOQ Review, thanks. This has been a thoroughly
rewarding year, and it couldn't have happened without you.
To let you in on where I was going, I'd always kinda wanted to be a
'net reviewer type, and I loved the idea of latching on to a
completed show; being the big fish in the pond and working at my own
pace. That worked out pretty well. The original plan was that I'd
continue this AOQ gig. I'd poll everyone on what show I should watch
next, move to that forum, and start all over, making the rounds through
quality SF/F TV. Now I'm not sure; I did have some of my own things
going on that have pretty much been put on hold, and I'd kinda like
my life back someday. On the other hand, I know I'll miss this once
it's gone. So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
been seen here. Suggested shows should be completed/dead, readily
available in their entirety on DVD, and still have an active fan
community. Maybe we'll do this again sometime. And maybe not.
Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
for some more _Angel_?
-Arbitrar Of Quality
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Below is a complete listing of all my BTVS episode ratings. I'm
aware that I've always said not to pay too much attention to the
stupid ratings. Don't. But the reason they exist is that they do
provide a quick reference to how much I enjoyed each hour. Remember
that they're arbitrary, gut-feeling. Some of them I'm almost
certain I'll revise after re-watching. Some of them are tainted by
expectations, spoilers, or what kind of mood I was in that day. It's
quite possible that your personal favorite episode should have gotten
and Excellent instead of a Good; I don't really care at the moment.
In any case, these are the first-impression ratings.
[Season One ratings:
1) "Welcome To The Hellmouth" - Good
2) "The Harvest" - Decent
3) "Witch" - Excellent
4) "Teacher's Pet" - Decent
5) "Never Kill A Boy On The First Date" - Decent
6) "The Pack" - Excellent
7) "Angel" - Good
8) "I Robot... You Jane" - Weak
9) "The Puppet Show" - Decent
10) "Nightmares" - Good
11) "Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight" - Decent
12) "Prophecy Girl" - Excellent]
[Season Two ratings:
1) "When She Was Bad" - Good
2) "Some Assembly Required" - Weak
3) "School Hard" - Decent
4) "Inca Mummy Girl" - Good
5) "Reptile Boy" - Decent
6) "Halloween" - Good
7) "Lie To Me" - Good
8) "The Dark Age" - Good
9) "What's My Line (Part One)" - Good
10) "What's My Line (Part Two)" - Good
11) "Ted" - Excellent
12) "Bad Eggs" - Bad
13) "Surprise" - Decent
14) "Innocence" - Excellent
15) "Phases" - Decent
16) "Bewitched, Bothered, And Bewildered" - Bad
17) "Passion" - Good
18) "Killed By Death" - Decent
19) "I Only Have Eyes For You" - Good
20) "Go Fish" - Good
21) "Becoming (Part One)" - Excellent
22) "Becoming (Part Two)" - Good]
[Season Three ratings:
1) "Anne" - Decent
2) "Dead Man's Party" - Excellent
3) "Faith, Hope, And Trick" - Good
4) "Beauty And The Beasts" - Decent
5) "Homecoming" - Good
6) "Band Candy" - Weak
7) "Revelations" - Good
8) "Lovers Walk" - Excellent
9) "The Wish" - Decent
10) "Amends" - Good
11) "Gingerbread" - Good
12) "Helpless" - Excellent
13) "The Zeppo" - Decent
14) "Bad Girls" - Good
15) "Consequences" - Excellent
16) "Doppelgängland" - Decent
17) "Enemies" - Good
18) "Earshot" - Decent
19) "Choices" - Good
20) "The Prom" - Good
21) "Graduation Day (Part One)" - Excellent
22) "Graduation Day (Part Two)" - Good]
[Season Four ratings:
1) "The Freshman" - Good
2) "Living Conditions" - Decent
3) "The Harsh Light Of Day" - Good
4) "Fear Itself" - Decent
5) "Beer Bad" - Weak
6) "Wild At Heart" - Excellent
7) "The Initiative" - Decent
8) "Pangs" - Good
9) "Something Blue" - Good
10) "Hush" - Good
11) "Doomed" - Weak
12) "A New Man" - Decent
13) "The I In Team" - Good
14) "Goodbye Iowa" - Good
15) "This Year's Girl" - Good
16) "Who Are You?" - Good
17) "Superstar" - Decent
18) "Where The Wild Things Are" - Decent
19) "New Moon Rising" - Excellent
20) "The Yoko Factor" - Weak
21) "Primeval" - Decent
22) "Restless" - Good]
[Season Five ratings:
1) "Buffy Vs. Dracula" - Good
2) "Real Me" - Decent
3) "The Replacement" - Good
4) "Out Of My Mind" - Weak
5) "No Place Like Home" - Decent
6) "Family" - Excellent
7) "Fool For Love" - Excellent
8) "Shadow" - Good
9) "Listening To Fear" - Decent
10) "Into The Woods" - Good
11) "Triangle" - Decent
12) "Checkpoint" - Decent
13) "Blood Ties" - Good
14) "Crush" - Excellent
15) "I Was Made To Love You" - Weak
16) "The Body" - Good
17) "Forever" - Decent
18) "Intervention" - Decent
19) "Tough Love" - Decent
20) "Spiral" - Weak
21) "The Weight Of The World" - Good
22) "The Gift" - Excellent]
[Season Six ratings:
1) "Bargaining" - Decent
2) "After Life" - Good
3) "Flooded" - Decent
4) "Life Serial" - Good
5) "All The Way" - Good
6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
8) "Smashed" - Decent
9) "Wrecked" - Good
10) "Gone" - Decent
11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
12) "Dead Things" - Good
13) "Older And Far Away" - Good
14) "As You Were" - Decent
15) "Hell's Bells" - Weak
16) "Normal Again" - Excellent
17) "Entropy" - Decent
18) "Seeing Red" - Good
19) "Villains" - Good
20) "Two To Go" - Excellent
21) "Grave" - Good]
[Season Seven ratings:
1) "Lessons" - Good
2) "Beneath You" - Decent
3) "Same Time, Same Place" - Excellent
4) "Help" - Good
5) "Selfless" - SUPERLATIVE
6) "Him" - Bad
7) "Conversations With Dead People" - Good
8) "Sleeper" - Decent
9) "Never Leave Me" - Good
10) "Bring On The Night" - Decent
11) "Showtime" - Good
12) "Potential" - Good
13) "The Killer In Me" - Weak
14) "First Date" - Decent
15) "Get It Done" - Decent
16) "Storyteller" - Good
17) "Lies My Parents Told Me" - Decent
18) "Dirty Girls" - Good
19) "Empty Places" - Good
20) "Touched" - Excellent
21) "End Of Days" - Good
22) "Chosen" - Good]
Season One
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 5
Good - 3
Excellent - 3
Season Two
Bad - 2
Weak - 1
Decent - 5
Good - 11
Excellent - 3
Season Three
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 6
Good - 10
Excellent - 5
Season Four
Bad - 0
Weak - 3
Decent - 7
Good - 10
Excellent - 2
Season Five
Bad - 0
Weak - 3
Decent - 8
Good - 7
Excellent - 4
Season Six
[Note: "Bargaining" is counted twice]
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 8
Good - 10
Excellent - 3
Season Seven
Bad - 1
Weak - 1
Decent - 6
Good - 11
Excellent - 2
SUPERLATIVE - 1
Complete Series
ABOMINATION - 0
Bad - 3
Weak - 11
Decent - 45
Good - 62
Excellent - 22
SUPERLATIVE - 1
Average ratings: (Decent=3)
S1 = 3.67 ["Good minus"]
S2 - 3.55 ["Good minus"]
S3 - 3.86 ["Good"]
S4 - 3.5 ["Good minus"]
S5 - 3.55 ["Good minus"]
S6 - 3.68 ["Good minus"]
S7 - 3.68 ["Good minus"]
Complete series: 3.64
Quality Percentage [% of episodes ranking Good or higher]:
S1 - 50%
S2 - 64%
S3 - 68%
S4 - 55%
S5 - 50%
S6 - 62%
S7 - 64%
Complete series: 59%
Sayonara!
Wes <3254176>
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
>Final comment on the show: I liked it.
>
Cool, it's been fun.
Wes
Rowan Hawthorn
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
>
>
> have imagined would be... well, pretty accurate, actually. A
> discussion is only as good as its participants, and I know I think
> these talks have been quite good. One thing that's remained
> consistent has been my eagerness to see what everyone else had to say
> about each episode, and my burning need to check for new posts at
> far-too-frequent intervals. I considered thanking people individually,
> but that pretty much requires forgetting a few people unjustifiably.
> So let me just thank you, collectively: to anyone who's ever
> responded to an AOQ Review, thanks. This has been a thoroughly
> rewarding year, and it couldn't have happened without you.
Well, in case nobody else does (or even if they do,) I'd like to thank
you for bringing a little life back to the group. Three or four years
ago, I was taking part fairly actively (Google says there are over 3800
posts by me. Could be...) After the end of the show, I eventually just
left, posting very rarely and barely skimming the posts. The group had
become mostly just worthless, interminable arguments that took over
threads and lasted for months, and I got tired of wasting time with it.
If not for these reviews, I probably would have unsubscribed a while
back and written it off. While I still haven't been posting much, I've
been reading the reviews and (for the most part) enjoying them. Thanks
much.
>
> To let you in on where I was going, I'd always kinda wanted to be a
> 'net reviewer type, and I loved the idea of latching on to a
> completed show; being the big fish in the pond and working at my own
> pace. That worked out pretty well. The original plan was that I'd
> continue this AOQ gig. I'd poll everyone on what show I should watch
> next, move to that forum, and start all over, making the rounds through
> quality SF/F TV. Now I'm not sure; I did have some of my own things
> going on that have pretty much been put on hold, and I'd kinda like
> my life back someday.
Pfft! Having a life is terribly overrated. Or so I hear...
> 16) "Doppelgängland" - Decent
But THIS one! THIS only gets a DECENT? My god, man, are you MAD...? ;-)
>
> Sayonara!
>
Or, as they say in France, "Let's get the hell out of France..."
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Mel
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
Yay!
> To let you in on where I was going, I'd always kinda wanted to be a
> 'net reviewer type, and I loved the idea of latching on to a
> completed show; being the big fish in the pond and working at my own
> pace. That worked out pretty well. The original plan was that I'd
> continue this AOQ gig. I'd poll everyone on what show I should watch
> next, move to that forum, and start all over, making the rounds through
> quality SF/F TV. Now I'm not sure; I did have some of my own things
> going on that have pretty much been put on hold, and I'd kinda like
> my life back someday. On the other hand, I know I'll miss this once
> it's gone. So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
> once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
> toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
> been seen here. Suggested shows should be completed/dead, readily
> available in their entirety on DVD, and still have an active fan
> community. Maybe we'll do this again sometime. And maybe not.
I would suggest watching Babylon 5. I know you said you watched some of
it before and it was kind of slow, but give it time and you'll get
hooked. Season 1 lays a lot of groundwork and takes a while to get into,
but from mid-Season 2 through the end of Season 4 is probably the best
tv I've ever seen (yes, including BtVS and AtS).
>
> Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
> for some more _Angel_?
>
I'm ready to pick up where you left off on _Angel_. IMO, Season 3 is the
best :-)
Thanks for the reviews. It's been fun, and let me follow along episode
by episode which I didn't get to do when the show first ran.
Mel
Mike Voss
news:1161400721.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
>No, seriously, this is more a final note about the AOQ Reviews project
>than about BTVS. I've seen the series, now it's time to re-watch
>and digest. Plenty of time to come to more general conclusions.
Let us know when you do.
Full show reviews, season overviews, and show overviews
can be the best departure points for discussion.
I haven't participated in these but have found
something of interest whenever I looked in.
Back in the beginning, as someone who was
hooked on BTVS from the first airing of the
pilot, with only a very few eps missed on
first brodcast over the full 7 seasons, I
used to participate in the Compuserve forum
for Buffy, where an excellent writer (a published
playwright, teacher, and part-time radio dj)
named Bill Nutt used to write a review of
each show which was always the highlight
of and departure point of our best discussions.
I miss those days :-)
>So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
>once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations?
Finishing ATS would be rewarding, I think.
I agree with another rec for B5, which I'm only
now getting to myself.
If you'd like a shorter gig for a series that
is still actively discussed, try Firefly.
For one that's under the radar but
still has fans roaming the net, Wonderfalls.
Both of the last 2 run under a half-season,
which means not complete, but, ah, completed :-)
Mike
Paul Hyett
:
>
>Below is a complete listing of all my BTVS episode ratings.
How many ratings would you change, in retrospect?
>
>[Season Two ratings:
>16) "Bewitched, Bothered, And Bewildered" - Bad
You thought *this* was bad? I found it one of the most entertaining
episodes in S2!
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
Mike Zeares
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
And within a very short time, I had my first
> response:
>
> "Arbitrar" isn't an English word. You may mean "Arbiter". While you
> have the dictionary out, look up "irony".
>
> Ah, Usenet.
That's funny has hell.
So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
> once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
> toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
> been seen here. Suggested shows should be completed/dead, readily
> available in their entirety on DVD, and still have an active fan
> community. Maybe we'll do this again sometime. And maybe not.
This group, at its peak (say around S3-4) really was something special,
compared to most other Usenet tv groups. But this group was also
apparently nearly dead when you showed up, and look what happened. So
I don't know what to tell you. Alt.tv.xena and alt.tv.x-files were two
other groups that were also pretty good back in their day. Both shows
are available (and the X-Files has finally come down to a reasonable
price). They're both fairly lengthy shows, though. Also, their
fandoms turned against both shows at the end to a much greater extent
than Buffy's fans did. I'm talking nearly universal hatred, at least
from what I've seen online. Hell, I still hate Chris Carter (creator
of X-Files) myself. I've no idea what their newsgroups are like
currently, or if you'd get the kind of reaction you got here anywhere
else (what, me biased?).
> Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
> for some more _Angel_?
Yes, although alt.tv.angel always had much lower traffic than atbvs.
So you're unlikely to catch as many of us Oldbies as you did here, if
you don't crosspost. Fans of either series were not universally fans
of the other. Likewise, some people only posted in one group. Anyway,
were you going to start right away?
-- Mike Zeares
Michael Ikeda
news:1161423513.6...@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
There's currently a somewhat similar project going on alt.tv.xena:
reviews/commentary on each episode in sequence. However, the
reviews appear only once a week and there isn't the strict
restriction on spoilers. Last weekend's posts were on Episode 2.1.
(I seem to recall one of the earlier messages saying that the
project was at least partially inspired by AOQ's Buffyverse
reviews.)
>
>> Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then,
>> anyone up for some more _Angel_?
The phrase "the sooner the better" comes to mind...
>
> Yes, although alt.tv.angel always had much lower traffic than
> atbvs. So you're unlikely to catch as many of us Oldbies as you
> did here, if you don't crosspost. Fans of either series were
> not universally fans of the other. Likewise, some people only
> posted in one group. Anyway, were you going to start right
> away?
--
Michael Ikeda mmi...@erols.com
"Telling a statistician not to use sampling is like telling an
astronomer they can't say there is a moon and stars"
Lynne Billard, past president American Statistical Association
Bob
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
I've been lurking since you started, only occasionally surfacing to pick
up a point if no one else got there (a rare occurrence, given every
nuance of each episode is well known to the fans)... And to say you
breathed life into a moribund group would be an exaggeration - it was
pretty dead before your arrival. So your 'project' was fascinating,
and the posters who contributed are all to be thanked (yes, even the S6
and S7 haters!) for so enthusiastically diving into the series again...
After all, as AOQ said, there might have been no takers at all...
Of course, for Buffy fans, seeking out new perspectives (or airing old
prejudices) on the series is pretty well an irresistible compulsion, and
there were few other places on the net where such an in-depth discussion
was still going on - especially with the added attraction of a complete
newbie posting.
While some of the episode threads did descend into old back'n'forths on
well trodden ground, I for one certainly picked up a few new insights
and some fresh readings of the series: and I thought I'd pretty well
heard it all, having read much of Slayage, bought a few of the critique
books, and even attended the UK Slayage academic conference for one fun
weekend.
Anyway, this was a real reason to keep compulsively checking the
group.... Where your episode reviews tallied with my views, I'd be happy
indeed, and where we totally disagreed, I would seethe with frustration.
Once it got to the later seasons, which I consider some of the most
interesting, I was on the edge of my seat to see what you would say - so
very pleased you got into those complex, darker seasons... And given
this newsgroup seemed in the old days to have a large number of very
vocal critics of the last seasons, I have to say the conversation in
AOQ's reviews has been a) more positive than I feared, and b) remarkably
civil where dissent has occurred. I think that civility has a lot to
do with the general gratitude of posters to AOQ for starting and
pursuing this review project...whether they agree with him or not...
So, yes, please do the rest of Angel. Personally I agree with you that
it's a "secondary text" to Buffy, and not quite in the same league. But
there is plenty in S3, S4 and S5 to enjoy, some of which does give extra
thematic perspective to the Buffy series. You'll certainly want to
find out what the hell happens with Spike, I'm sure....?
So finally... I'm intrigued: I guess it may take you a while to
inwardly digest, but I wonder where you now would rate BTVS compared to
your other favourites (Firefly, and one of those Trek things if I
recalll!)...
And as for other series to do the same treatment on, one I'm very much
enjoying now (in Season 3) is Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, but
perhaps you're looking for "completed" series...
Oh well, thanks for all the entertainment over these months and here's
to the Angel reviews....
BOB
John Briggs
> Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
>
>> And within a very short time, I had my first response:
>>>
>>> "Arbitrar" isn't an English word. You may mean "Arbiter". While you
>>> have the dictionary out, look up "irony".
>>
>> Ah, Usenet.
>
> That's funny has hell.
Hit his?
--
John Briggs
Horace LaBadie
"Mike Zeares" <mze...@yahoo.com> wrote:
SNIP
A Chris Carter alternative to X-F would be "Millennium." It ran for
three seasons and is available.
>
> -- Mike Zeares
Ken from Chicago
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161400721.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Final comment on the show: I liked it.
*** BEGIN REPLY MODE ***
The usenet is cooperative medium. Consideration of others is required to get
the maximum benefit from it. That said, the ATBVS and ATS newsgroups regular
posters have been pretty good. I know I was nervous at the prospect of
taking the leap ... a decade after I left GEnie (GE's Networked Information
Exchange, "SF Roundtable rules!"), and a year after leaping from a Farscape
chatroom aka a year after FARSCAPE was cancelled ... and finding readers and
posters who could discuss SF seriously without getting all flamey (I had
heard the rumors of flamewars) yet not take it and themselves (not to
mention taking me) too seriously.
Aside from the Buffy, Angel groups, the Alias, Star Trek, Star Wars,
Stargate, comic book, rec.arts.SF tv, rec.arts.SF written and rec.arts TV
groups had that nice balance of seriousness and not too serious. Later I
would discover the Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, Lost and Smallville
newsgroups.
As far as suggested shows that have ended and are on DVD:
BABYLON 5
X-FILES
FIREFLY
and of course
FARSCAPE
and in late 2007 (and I hate saying it out loud)
STARGATE SG-1.
-- Ken from Chicago
P.S. Finale comment: We liked the show too--and your reviews ... even when
you were wrong. >=^>
beloved
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
Just wanted to add my thanks too. This has been really enjoyable for
me. Since I only watched BtVS for the first time 2 years ago, I missed
out on all the ongoing episodic analytical discussions that I'm sure
were all over the net back in the day - so this has been way fun.
I'm also looking forward to you continuing your ATS reviews. Tho Angel
never impacted me as strongly as BtVS did, I certainly enjoyed much of
it and you'll be starting again with one of my very favorite seasons S3
(along with S5, tho it's really too bad that S4 happens to be in the
middle of them but, oh well :)))
As for show suggestions for future reviews, I vote for Farscape. I've
no idea if you've seen it before or if it meets your criteria but it
just happens to be the best written and executed SciFi I've ever seen
on TV and I'd love to hear your take on it.
Lidia
Stephen Tempest
discussions.
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> writes:
>it's gone. So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
>once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations?
Well, Angel and Firefly are obvious candidates, and I second the
suggestion some have already made for Babylon 5. Not that I know
anything about B5 fandom, and I've only seen the show once, but I know
it's got the same depth (and fanatical following) as BtVS.
I recently watched Tru Calling to see the show that Eliza Dushku chose
to do as the alternative to starring in a 'Faith the Vampire Slayer'
spin-off... it was fun, although not nearly as deep or metaphorical as
Buffy.
You could also complete your review of the Joss Whedon oeuvre by
looking at 'Toy Story' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. :)
Stephen
life@bigstream.net Zoot Horn Rollo
I enjoyed your Buffy (and Angel) reviews and would like to second the
suggestion that
you review the nine season run of the X-Files (and the one season offshoot -
The Lone Gunmen). Although Autumn Tysko has done some brilliant work in her
critiques, they are not complete for the whole series and she has no
intention of completing them. I think that it would be very interesting to
review the X-files outside of the pop culture biases of the (still) rabid
fan base and judge the work on it's own artistic merits. In that contest you
may find it more difficult of a task than Buffy. Anyway AOQ give it a
thought, although I may saddle that pony myself.
Best, Zoot
lpad...@voicenet.com
more than your part in keeping the traffic high the past several
months! Don't be a stranger!
I presume you will now resume your reviews of Angel. Will you be
cross-posting them here on alt.tv.buffy-v-slayer or just keep them on
the Angel group?
Arbitrar Of Quality
> Yes, although alt.tv.angel always had much lower traffic than atbvs.
> So you're unlikely to catch as many of us Oldbies as you did here, if
> you don't crosspost. Fans of either series were not universally fans
> of the other. Likewise, some people only posted in one group. Anyway,
> were you going to start right away?
As they were before, ATS reviews will be crossposted to both groups.
And to answer the question, breaks? We ain't got no breaks. We don't
need no breaks. I don't have to take any stinking breaks! Actually, I
feel like I've taken a lot of time off lately, so I plan to post
"Heartthrob" in a day or two.
-AOQ
Arbitrar Of Quality
> I'd like to add my own thanks for sparking off so many interesting
> discussions.
As of this writing, you're one of three people to have posted in both
the 1-1 thread and either this one or 7-22.
> Well, Angel and Firefly are obvious candidates, and I second the
> suggestion some have already made for Babylon 5. Not that I know
> anything about B5 fandom, and I've only seen the show once, but I know
> it's got the same depth (and fanatical following) as BtVS.
Since I've already seen _Firefly_, it wouldn't be the same kind of
project. B5, which I've been meaning to give another chance one day
anyway, seems to be the most popular suggestion so far, followed by
_The X-Files_ and _Farscape_.
> I recently watched Tru Calling to see the show that Eliza Dushku chose
> to do as the alternative to starring in a 'Faith the Vampire Slayer'
> spin-off... it was fun, although not nearly as deep or metaphorical as
> Buffy.
Mmmmm, Eliza Dushku...
> You could also complete your review of the Joss Whedon oeuvre by
> looking at 'Toy Story' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. :)
I have my limits (well, I have seen TS, but A:R wil likely go
unwatched).
-AOQ
Momo
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
> for some more _Angel_?
I've been mostly a lurker on this journey, but I have to say it's been
great - I love these shows beyond reason and it's been so cool to be
able to read discussions between other people who've also devoted an
awful lot of brainspace to them. Also, some of the threads here helped
me learn to see what other people saw in parts of the show that I hated
on first watching - I was one of those who just could not get past some
of the awful parts of S7, and now I can at least appreciate more
clearly the good that was there.
I'm up for _Angel_, and I'll try to participate more.
Thank you AoQ!
Momo
George W Harris
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
:Since I've already seen _Firefly_, it wouldn't be the same kind of
:project. B5, which I've been meaning to give another chance one day
:anyway, seems to be the most popular suggestion so far, followed by
:_The X-Files_ and _Farscape_.
I think _Wonderfalls_ and _Veronica Mars_ would be
interesting choices, but they don't offer the same population
size as the other suggestions.
--
Firefly Fan Since September 20th, 2002 - Browncoat Since Birth
George W. Harris For actual email address, replace each 'u' with an 'i'
George W Harris
<tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
:> You could also complete your review of the Joss Whedon oeuvre by
:> looking at 'Toy Story' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. :)
:
:I have my limits (well, I have seen TS, but A:R wil likely go
:unwatched).
It's not without redeeming features, and it's
interesting to compare the crew dynamic of the Betty
with that seen in "Firefly". But, definitely a flawed film.
:
:-AOQ
--
"If you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce, they taste more like
prunes than rhubarb does" -Groucho Marx
(Harmony) Watcher
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spoiler:
<rot13>
"Be, nf gurl fnl va "Zruvpb", ... Ab, jr'er abg tbvat gb yrg lbh." (be
fbzrguvat yvxr gung).
</rot13>
--
==Harmony Watcher==
vague disclaimer
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote:
> > You could also complete your review of the Joss Whedon oeuvre by
> > looking at 'Toy Story' and 'Alien: Resurrection'. :)
>
> I have my limits (well, I have seen TS, but A:R wil likely go
> unwatched).
On the subject of the oeuvre, pop out and buy Fray is you have not
already done so.
--
What does not kill me makes me stronger. Unless it leaves me as a quadriplegic.
chr...@removethistoreply.gwu.edu
> have imagined would be... well, pretty accurate, actually. A
> discussion is only as good as its participants, and I know I think
> these talks have been quite good. One thing that's remained
> consistent has been my eagerness to see what everyone else had to say
> about each episode, and my burning need to check for new posts at
> far-too-frequent intervals. I considered thanking people individually,
> but that pretty much requires forgetting a few people unjustifiably.
> So let me just thank you, collectively: to anyone who's ever
> responded to an AOQ Review, thanks. This has been a thoroughly
> rewarding year, and it couldn't have happened without you.
And thank you for posting the reviews. You've brought this newsgroup back
to life (real discussions now outnumber trolls!). And it's been great fun
for me personally, more fun than I've had online since ... well, maybe
since I've been online. Of course you *did* upset my plan to not watch
any Buffy for half a year, then rewatch the whole series in order with
semi-fresh eyes. But following these discussions was far more rewarding
than just watching by myself could have been. I just wish I had returned
to atbvs back in January -- I especially would have loved to take part in
the discussions of Prophecy Girl, the Angelus arc and the first half of
season 3. Oh well. I've had a great time, and now I'm getting a bit of
the same satisfied but melancholy feeling that I got after Chosen aired.
> Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
> for some more _Angel_?
Definitely!
I'm afraid I don't have any suggestions for a new SF/Fantasy show to
Arbitrarify. B5, Farscape and Stargate have all been languishing on my
"shows recommended by friends" list for years without going anywhere.
None of the shows I *have* watched really merit the same attention, except
the new Battlestar Galactica, which is still airing, the X-Files, which
I'm deeply ambivalent about, and Firefly, which is already ruled out.
But if you get the urge to do a non-SF/F show, I'd nominate Six Feet
Under. (Unfortunately it's an HBO show, so the DVDs are appallingly
expensive.)
I'll also recommend a couple of Buffy-related activities. First, if you
like or even just tolerate graphic novels, you should read _Fray_ by that
Joss Whedon guy. It's a continuation of the Slayer mythos in the far
future, very distinct from Buffy, yet at the same time thoroughly
Whedonesque, with all the rug-pulling plot twists and emotional roller
coaster rides that we all love so much. Secondly, now you can treat
yourself to all the commentary tracks you skipped the first time around.
Some of them are quite good; I recommend The Body, if you're willing to
put yourself through that wringer again. The deleted scenes can be
amusing too, though I don't recall anything that tops the kid taking a
dirt nap with baby Jesus from Serenity. And finally, there's something to
be said for doing the whole series over again next year.
> Sayonara!
Do skorogo!
--Chris
______________________________________________________________________
chrisg [at] gwu.edu On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog.
Ian Galbraith
[snip]
> Since I've already seen _Firefly_, it wouldn't be the same kind of
> project. B5, which I've been meaning to give another chance one day
> anyway, seems to be the most popular suggestion so far, followed by
> _The X-Files_ and _Farscape_.
Count this as another vote for Babylon 5.
[snip]
--
You Can't Stop The Signal
ravimotha
I too would like to put in my thanks, For both bringing back the
newbie in me , getting me back into let's face it one of the best Tv
shows in the last 20 years (that's obviously a very personal emotion)
and reminding me of a great period while I was just starting in the
world of full paying employment.
I also was reasonably active in the old usenet groups, but tailed off,
for exactly the same reasons, I also note that people are taking
spoliers and spoliage much more seriously now.
I am still not sure where I stand , I like them (the vicarious thrill
of knowing), but I like the freshness of not knowing..
Can I suggest you place this up somewhere on the Interweb for
posterity,
e.g www.televisionwithoutpity.com style, but not so organised..
ps. Would you not consider an ongoing series...
regards
Ravi
Sandy
finished seasons...
Arbitrar Of Quality
Sandy wrote:
> How about Battlestar Galactica? It's on right now, but there are two
> finished seasons...
Already a fan, and I'd probably only review a complete series I could
go straight through.
-AOQ
Rowan Hawthorn
> "Rowan Hawthorn" <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qpGdnRlAj7q...@giganews.com...
>>
>> But THIS one! THIS only gets a DECENT? My god, man, are you MAD...? ;-)
>>
>>
> The following would be a good response to AoQ, but unfortunately, it is a
> spoiler:
>
> <rot13>
> "Be, nf gurl fnl va "Zruvpb", ... Ab, jr'er abg tbvat gb yrg lbh." (be
> fbzrguvat yvxr gung).
> </rot13>
>
> --
> ==Harmony Watcher==
>
>
Heh. How could I have forgotten that line...
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
James Craine
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
>
> No, seriously, this is more a final note about the AOQ Reviews project
> than about BTVS. I've seen the series, now it's time to re-watch
> and digest. Plenty of time to come to more general conclusions. At
> this point I've lost my novelty value, no longer a new unspoiled
> viewer. But since the BTVS reviews have always gotten much more
> traffic than the ATS ones, I'd like to say a few quick things while I
> still have an audience.
>
> About three quarters of a year ago, I posted my first review to ATBVS,
> and remember reloading the group over and over, apprehensive and
> excited at the same time. Would anyone actually respond? I hoped you
> would be interested in living vicariously through a first-timer so that
> I could have a "fanbase" of sorts, wondered whether you'd take
> kindly to it if I ended up disliking the show, and above all, hoped to
> generate discussion. And within a very short time, I had my first
> response:
>
> "Arbitrar" isn't an English word. You may mean "Arbiter". While you
> have the dictionary out, look up "irony".
>
> Ah, Usenet.
>
Thank you for doing so.
I noticed the spelling also.
I wish I had been able to start from the beginning, but time
didn't allow. If I could have changed anything it would have
been to slow you down, I just don't have time to read 100s
of posts per day.
If you do Angel I'll be waiting.
Exp315
your reviews, although I only had time to actually re-watch a few of
them as we went along with your blistering pace. Looking forward to
your continuation with Angel - which is actually the way I saw the
series, since I gave up on Angel early, then went back to where I left
off after BtVS came to an end.
If you're planning to carry on as a reviewer, I'm sure you'll want to
complete the Joss Whedon triad with a review of the Firefly series. It
has a decent fan base.
Personally I'd vote for a review of Wonderfalls if you like short,
quirky, cancelled series - but I'm not sure it has as much of a
widespread following. :-)
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
>
> No, seriously, this is more a final note about the AOQ Reviews project
> than about BTVS. I've seen the series, now it's time to re-watch
> and digest. Plenty of time to come to more general conclusions. At
> this point I've lost my novelty value, no longer a new unspoiled
> viewer. But since the BTVS reviews have always gotten much more
> traffic than the ATS ones, I'd like to say a few quick things while I
> still have an audience.
>...
>
> Sayonara!
bookworm
ALIAS
Malsperanza
bookworm wrote:
> THE PRISONER
What a GREAT idea. I have been watching the DVDs lately, and thinking
how much fun it would be to discuss the whole series in an organized
way.
Failing that, I guess I'd vote for Farscape...in fact, I've been
assuming that the Arbitrar must be a Farscape fan already, given his
name.
~Mal
Malsperanza
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Final comment on the show: I liked it.
I came very late to this conversation, having undertaken to watch the
whole BTVS on my own, as a promise to a friend. I never saw it when it
aired (don't own a TV), and wasn't very enthusiastic about it til late
s3. By s5 I began hunting for a non-moribund conversation on the Web
... and how lucky I was to find this one! The level of the discussion
has been wonderful, and I am grateful to have had a chance to
participate in the latter seasons.
Thanks especially to AOQ for reviews that have been consistently
interesting and thoughtful--real reviews, not just "I felt..." or "I
liked..." but critical commentaries.
And thanks to all the commenters as well. It's been a treat and has
definitely increased the pleasure of watching the show.
~Mal
stev...@earthlink.net
Arbitrar Of Quality
Malsperanza wrote:
> bookworm wrote:
> > THE PRISONER
>
>
>
> What a GREAT idea. I have been watching the DVDs lately, and thinking
> how much fun it would be to discuss the whole series in an organized
> way.
Great show; I've seen it a few times so I wouldn't AOQize it, but if
there's a show worth discussing in an organized fashion...
> Failing that, I guess I'd vote for Farscape...in fact, I've been
> assuming that the Arbitrar must be a Farscape fan already, given his
> name.
Never seen it, heard good things.
-AOQ
Malsperanza
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> Malsperanza wrote:
> > bookworm wrote:
> > > THE PRISONER
> >
> >
> >
> > What a GREAT idea. I have been watching the DVDs lately, and thinking
> > how much fun it would be to discuss the whole series in an organized
> > way.
>
> Great show; I've seen it a few times so I wouldn't AOQize it, but if
> there's a show worth discussing in an organized fashion...
You just want to AOQize shows you've not seen yet? Ah well... there
must be good Prisoner conversations somewhere on the Web.
> > Failing that, I guess I'd vote for Farscape...in fact, I've been
> > assuming that the Arbitrar must be a Farscape fan already, given his
> > name.
>
> Never seen it, heard good things.
Then I'd say it's a shoo-in, since you like SF/F. I'm not a huge SF fan
meself, but Farscape held my interest all the way through--witty,
funny, and very much the product of one man's vision--and provides
plenty of good material for debate. Also, I think the DVDs are not too
pricy.
~Mal
Elisi
Arbitrar Of Quality wrote:
> I'd probably only review a complete series I could
> go straight through.
I guess that rules out Doctor Who...
Anyway, just wanted to say thank you for your (very addictive) Buffy
reviews, which have had me hooked for far too long. And will continue
to do so as you keep going with AtS. Is Mrs AOQ going to join in the
AtS viewings? I'd recommend it - the show *does* get better and better
as it goes along. Generally it becomes a lot more story led with only a
few stand alones, and no more Pylea! :)
Patrician
"Arbitrar Of Quality" <tsm...@wildmail.com> wrote in message
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Final comment on the show: I liked it.
No, seriously, this is more a final note about the AOQ Reviews project
than about BTVS. I've seen the series, now it's time to re-watch
and digest. Plenty of time to come to more general conclusions. At
this point I've lost my novelty value, no longer a new unspoiled
viewer. But since the BTVS reviews have always gotten much more
traffic than the ATS ones, I'd like to say a few quick things while I
still have an audience.
About three quarters of a year ago, I posted my first review to ATBVS,
and remember reloading the group over and over, apprehensive and
excited at the same time. Would anyone actually respond? I hoped you
would be interested in living vicariously through a first-timer so that
I could have a "fanbase" of sorts, wondered whether you'd take
kindly to it if I ended up disliking the show, and above all, hoped to
generate discussion. And within a very short time, I had my first
response:
"Arbitrar" isn't an English word. You may mean "Arbiter". While you
have the dictionary out, look up "irony".
Ah, Usenet.
To say that this project has been a success on a scale I wouldn't
have imagined would be... well, pretty accurate, actually. A
discussion is only as good as its participants, and I know I think
these talks have been quite good. One thing that's remained
consistent has been my eagerness to see what everyone else had to say
about each episode, and my burning need to check for new posts at
far-too-frequent intervals. I considered thanking people individually,
but that pretty much requires forgetting a few people unjustifiably.
So let me just thank you, collectively: to anyone who's ever
responded to an AOQ Review, thanks. This has been a thoroughly
rewarding year, and it couldn't have happened without you.
To let you in on where I was going, I'd always kinda wanted to be a
'net reviewer type, and I loved the idea of latching on to a
completed show; being the big fish in the pond and working at my own
pace. That worked out pretty well. The original plan was that I'd
continue this AOQ gig. I'd poll everyone on what show I should watch
next, move to that forum, and start all over, making the rounds through
quality SF/F TV. Now I'm not sure; I did have some of my own things
going on that have pretty much been put on hold, and I'd kinda like
my life back someday. On the other hand, I know I'll miss this once
it's gone. So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
been seen here. Suggested shows should be completed/dead, readily
available in their entirety on DVD, and still have an active fan
community. Maybe we'll do this again sometime. And maybe not.
Such decisions are still months away, though. Until then, anyone up
for some more _Angel_?
-Arbitrar Of Quality
.
.
.
Below is a complete listing of all my BTVS episode ratings. I'm
aware that I've always said not to pay too much attention to the
stupid ratings. Don't. But the reason they exist is that they do
provide a quick reference to how much I enjoyed each hour. Remember
that they're arbitrary, gut-feeling. Some of them I'm almost
certain I'll revise after re-watching. Some of them are tainted by
expectations, spoilers, or what kind of mood I was in that day. It's
quite possible that your personal favorite episode should have gotten
and Excellent instead of a Good; I don't really care at the moment.
In any case, these are the first-impression ratings.
[Season One ratings:
1) "Welcome To The Hellmouth" - Good
2) "The Harvest" - Decent
3) "Witch" - Excellent
4) "Teacher's Pet" - Decent
5) "Never Kill A Boy On The First Date" - Decent
6) "The Pack" - Excellent
7) "Angel" - Good
8) "I Robot... You Jane" - Weak
9) "The Puppet Show" - Decent
10) "Nightmares" - Good
11) "Out Of Mind, Out Of Sight" - Decent
12) "Prophecy Girl" - Excellent]
[Season Two ratings:
1) "When She Was Bad" - Good
2) "Some Assembly Required" - Weak
3) "School Hard" - Decent
4) "Inca Mummy Girl" - Good
5) "Reptile Boy" - Decent
6) "Halloween" - Good
7) "Lie To Me" - Good
8) "The Dark Age" - Good
9) "What's My Line (Part One)" - Good
10) "What's My Line (Part Two)" - Good
11) "Ted" - Excellent
12) "Bad Eggs" - Bad
13) "Surprise" - Decent
14) "Innocence" - Excellent
15) "Phases" - Decent
16) "Bewitched, Bothered, And Bewildered" - Bad
17) "Passion" - Good
18) "Killed By Death" - Decent
19) "I Only Have Eyes For You" - Good
20) "Go Fish" - Good
21) "Becoming (Part One)" - Excellent
22) "Becoming (Part Two)" - Good]
[Season Three ratings:
1) "Anne" - Decent
2) "Dead Man's Party" - Excellent
3) "Faith, Hope, And Trick" - Good
4) "Beauty And The Beasts" - Decent
5) "Homecoming" - Good
6) "Band Candy" - Weak
7) "Revelations" - Good
8) "Lovers Walk" - Excellent
9) "The Wish" - Decent
10) "Amends" - Good
11) "Gingerbread" - Good
12) "Helpless" - Excellent
13) "The Zeppo" - Decent
14) "Bad Girls" - Good
15) "Consequences" - Excellent
16) "Doppelgängland" - Decent
17) "Enemies" - Good
18) "Earshot" - Decent
19) "Choices" - Good
20) "The Prom" - Good
21) "Graduation Day (Part One)" - Excellent
22) "Graduation Day (Part Two)" - Good]
[Season Four ratings:
1) "The Freshman" - Good
2) "Living Conditions" - Decent
3) "The Harsh Light Of Day" - Good
4) "Fear Itself" - Decent
5) "Beer Bad" - Weak
6) "Wild At Heart" - Excellent
7) "The Initiative" - Decent
8) "Pangs" - Good
9) "Something Blue" - Good
10) "Hush" - Good
11) "Doomed" - Weak
12) "A New Man" - Decent
13) "The I In Team" - Good
14) "Goodbye Iowa" - Good
15) "This Year's Girl" - Good
16) "Who Are You?" - Good
17) "Superstar" - Decent
18) "Where The Wild Things Are" - Decent
19) "New Moon Rising" - Excellent
20) "The Yoko Factor" - Weak
21) "Primeval" - Decent
22) "Restless" - Good]
[Season Five ratings:
1) "Buffy Vs. Dracula" - Good
2) "Real Me" - Decent
3) "The Replacement" - Good
4) "Out Of My Mind" - Weak
5) "No Place Like Home" - Decent
6) "Family" - Excellent
7) "Fool For Love" - Excellent
8) "Shadow" - Good
9) "Listening To Fear" - Decent
10) "Into The Woods" - Good
11) "Triangle" - Decent
12) "Checkpoint" - Decent
13) "Blood Ties" - Good
14) "Crush" - Excellent
15) "I Was Made To Love You" - Weak
16) "The Body" - Good
17) "Forever" - Decent
18) "Intervention" - Decent
19) "Tough Love" - Decent
20) "Spiral" - Weak
21) "The Weight Of The World" - Good
22) "The Gift" - Excellent]
[Season Six ratings:
1) "Bargaining" - Decent
2) "After Life" - Good
3) "Flooded" - Decent
4) "Life Serial" - Good
5) "All The Way" - Good
6) "Once More, With Feeling" - Excellent
7) "Tabula Rasa" - Good
8) "Smashed" - Decent
9) "Wrecked" - Good
10) "Gone" - Decent
11) "Doublemeat Palace" - Decent
12) "Dead Things" - Good
13) "Older And Far Away" - Good
14) "As You Were" - Decent
15) "Hell's Bells" - Weak
16) "Normal Again" - Excellent
17) "Entropy" - Decent
18) "Seeing Red" - Good
19) "Villains" - Good
20) "Two To Go" - Excellent
21) "Grave" - Good]
[Season Seven ratings:
1) "Lessons" - Good
2) "Beneath You" - Decent
3) "Same Time, Same Place" - Excellent
4) "Help" - Good
5) "Selfless" - SUPERLATIVE
6) "Him" - Bad
7) "Conversations With Dead People" - Good
8) "Sleeper" - Decent
9) "Never Leave Me" - Good
10) "Bring On The Night" - Decent
11) "Showtime" - Good
12) "Potential" - Good
13) "The Killer In Me" - Weak
14) "First Date" - Decent
15) "Get It Done" - Decent
16) "Storyteller" - Good
17) "Lies My Parents Told Me" - Decent
18) "Dirty Girls" - Good
19) "Empty Places" - Good
20) "Touched" - Excellent
21) "End Of Days" - Good
22) "Chosen" - Good]
Season One
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 5
Good - 3
Excellent - 3
Season Two
Bad - 2
Weak - 1
Decent - 5
Good - 11
Excellent - 3
Season Three
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 6
Good - 10
Excellent - 5
Season Four
Bad - 0
Weak - 3
Decent - 7
Good - 10
Excellent - 2
Season Five
Bad - 0
Weak - 3
Decent - 8
Good - 7
Excellent - 4
Season Six
[Note: "Bargaining" is counted twice]
Bad - 0
Weak - 1
Decent - 8
Good - 10
Excellent - 3
Season Seven
Bad - 1
Weak - 1
Decent - 6
Good - 11
Excellent - 2
SUPERLATIVE - 1
Complete Series
ABOMINATION - 0
Bad - 3
Weak - 11
Decent - 45
Good - 62
Excellent - 22
SUPERLATIVE - 1
Average ratings: (Decent=3)
S1 = 3.67 ["Good minus"]
S2 - 3.55 ["Good minus"]
S3 - 3.86 ["Good"]
S4 - 3.5 ["Good minus"]
S5 - 3.55 ["Good minus"]
S6 - 3.68 ["Good minus"]
S7 - 3.68 ["Good minus"]
Complete series: 3.64
Quality Percentage [% of episodes ranking Good or higher]:
S1 - 50%
S2 - 64%
S3 - 68%
S4 - 55%
S5 - 50%
S6 - 62%
S7 - 64%
Complete series: 59%
Sayonara
If you hav'nt seen it yet your next show should be Babylon 5. Plenty to get
your teeth into there.
Trev
Opus the Penguin
> So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
> once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
> toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
> been seen here.
Only SF/F?
My first thought was _Freaks and Geeks_. I have no idea why.
--
Opus the Penguin
The best darn penguin in all of Usenet
mwolf
> So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
> once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations?
What about HBO's Carnivale?
--
Matthias Wolf
One Bit Shy
news:1161400721.8...@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> So, *if* (emphasis on that "if") I do another show
> once I'm through with the Buffyverse, any recommendations? Please
> toss out ideas for SF/F series that match my tastes based on what's
> been seen here. Suggested shows should be completed/dead, readily
> available in their entirety on DVD, and still have an active fan
> community. Maybe we'll do this again sometime. And maybe not.
I don't have any brilliant suggestions - I don't think there really are many
options fitting your criteria - and probably none of the quality of BtVS
with its built in interest level. I think you kind of caught lightening in
a bottle here.
I've been watching Crime Story on the side lately, which is only two season,
the wrong genre, and I wouldn't recommend it for this purpose anyway. But
it has been fun and even has a BtVS connection in the personage of James
Contner.
Anyway, from the candidate shows others have suggested, I think I'd vote
first for Farscape 'cause I've been curious about it. I have no real
knowledge of it though. I think a very good case could be made for Xena
too - which was actually the first one I thought of. But if there's a
series walk-through already going on, then I suppose that's not viable.
OBS